Will Putin Save Us?

[Operator]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I would suggest that instead, even if Putin is pro-NWO in some form, there are different factions wrestling for control... which may be a good thing for us all.

Yes, I think so too (for a while now) ...
Their problem is probably indeed the increasing world population. Perhaps not even us but 1% of a rising number means that
the rats' cage is getting fuller and fuller also. Rats tend to bite each others throat off.

My favorite scene ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=viUMIvYMMkU

Solely agendas playing out ... not even possible to point at good and/or evil.

[David Trd1]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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* Bill dives in the melée *



Well, Putin did propose and champion the Ukraine ceasefire talks in Minsk on 5 Sept (which were pretty successful), and since then Russian aid convoys have been arriving in the affected area. The Ukraine conflict was being stoked like a fire, but now it's disappeared off the CNN front pages. Nothing there any more (right now) that can be exploited...

And, re Syria, his perfectly timed and presented New York Times article may have saved a major war there this time last year. That was also being stoked heavily (as it is again, now...)

What I see is that Putin either is pro-Russia, or anti at least one version of the proposed NWO. He doesn't look all that much like anyone's puppet to me.

If it's a left-hand-right-hand Punch-and-Judy show, with someone telling Putin what to do and say, it's being done extraordinarily well. I would suggest that instead, even if Putin is pro-NWO in some form, there are different factions wrestling for control... which may be a good thing for us all.

Bill,i would tend to agree with that wholeheartedly,On the global stage,Putin has been and overall positive counterbalance to the western shadow governments efforts through their cutouts.Time and again of of late he has used the state/economic power of Russia to try and put out fires not pour fuel on them.

Discernment wise,no doubt the man and those behind/advising him have an agenda of their own,And being quite honest i`m not a fan of complete top-down management/control in the least and don`t think it has a place in the longterm future thriving of our race.But being pragmatic in the short-medium term at least its easy to agree ,in part,with a world leader who uses state power to stop wars and killing rather than starting them.

Thats positive.

[Xanth]

Looking at whats happening in the world, you have an America government, happy to wage war around the planet, enslave their own people via police militarisation, and extend their control over their 'alies' via global corporations and trade agreements, while pushing a global spying network, chemtrails and GMO. Then you look at who on the world stage is actively standing up against this, and there's only one ... Russia.

[Limor Wolf]

"All roads lead to Rome"- Definition

*All paths or activities lead to the center of things. This was literally true in the days of the Roman Empire, when all the empire's roads radiated out from the capital city, Rome.

*Prov. There are many different routes to the same goal

*Originally, that ancient and unattributed saying wasn't quite so benign. It basically meant, No matter what you do, no matter how you try to get around it, you'll be doing things the Roman way, because Rome is the place the matters, the center of the world. Get used to it." The well-planned and guarded Roman road system was designed to make sure that the provinces couldn't use it against the Romans.

The simple interpertation may be -


"The Romans were extremely skilled road makers...and the first to establish such a system of roads. They were also the first to use mile-markers.

The Romans designed their roads purposefully so that they all led to Rome, with Rome the central hub. This was done to hinder provinces from organizing resistance against the Empire."

Lure and lore has only one letter separating between them but I will say that it makes all the difference

What is the solution?

Disembark from the illusion ~

Or As David Icke likes to qoute -

"Those who seek higher office often answer to a much lower calling. "

Also chek this out -

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/07/2...side-politics/


Blessings ~

Limor

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Limor (here)

Also check this out -

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/07/2...side-politics/

Blessings ~

Limor

Bumping this from Limor. Excellent article about magicians' tricks on the global stage, false flags through history (including recent history), etc.

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/07/24/selling-illusions-dark-side-politics

[Carmody]

Posted by christian (here)
I thought after all these years of conspiracy research and honing discernment it's as clear as day—we can only save ourselves. It's a grassroots movement, it's the empowerment of the individual.

When I look at so-called world leaders, there are some simple litmus tests. For example, is there a focus on people becoming more self-responsible? Is educating people about the creation of money a central focus? Can't see either in Putin's Russia. Though they do expose some Western lies here and there—but only when it fits their agenda, it seems...

Sorry, haven't watched the video, but the title makes me think, "My focus is not on any of that—Russia, Babylon, Jesuits, Knights Templars—I just wanna live and inspire people to live." I don't wanna spend my time pondering concepts such as Russia against Jesuitism. In terms of practical relevance, there's just not much, if anything, that I get out of this. Could be that I'm just too dull though...

A lot of people don't understand consciousness, they do not understand that the monkey origins color the entire being, in the area of input and output perception. That the carrier shapes the wave.

Within that monkey is the desire to watch and follow to see and do, and to not recognize this fundamental in all things human is to have one's self miss the point.

We hunt, we gather, we group, we move as one but the monkey body, the avatar... is always the shaper and carrier of the flow and the motion.

It is ultra-critical to at first become aware of this and to watch it and be within the shaping point of this flow, to exist within the refractive and fulcrum point of existence, in order to understand it.

Humans, as combined avatar and occupant, will not get past this confusion and blinkered existence, until we individually live in that point of understanding the carrier or avatar is dictating understanding and motion within this incarnation. To pull off the rose colored glasses of having a body.. to pull the mask far enough away from the self to actually see it for the first time -for the vast majority of us. In essence, we are barely past the idea of seeing the initial idea of self in a mirror.

We are barely above the idea of two clans of baboons on the plains Africa, who are nearing each other, in both conflict and flow.

Like an outsider seeing all cars as being the same, not one iota of real or relevant difference, an outsider would see us and the baboons as being nearly identical, almost inseparable in behavior and function. Humans are closer to being self realized than the baboons but are, largely, to the tune of probably 99% or more of us ----unrealized. It is very internally painful and confusing to stay on the fulcrum point of human realization of self as the psyche and ego is shifted and torn so much from this that temporary insanity (due to playing the fields of the basic construct) and deep pain lasting up to years -is the minimal result to expect.... but it is ultra critical as a basic human step on the path to human growth. That growth which is the next stage that takes humanity past this nightmare of 'baboon clans clashing' - which is what we so obviously have today.

So yes, the problem has almost nothing, ie, less than 1% to do with what is external to the given person. The problem is almost entirely internal to all individuals, approximately 99% of the problem is internal to the individual.

This issue, on average...this makes us easier to manipulate than the family dog. The very slight advantage that sociopaths have is that they can see past a small part of this internal this veil ....and that small advantage, gives them the entire world as a playground. One key point they always use, is continual excitation of the monkey side of existence (war, death, fear, murder, shock, awe, etc) so that it remains in agitation and blocks coherent thought from emerging.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9mfZbTFbk

[Hervé]

Interesting, very much so!

See this post (<---) and this other one (<---)


Edit:

Well I might as well bring them here:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Limor (here)
[...]

... one of the mysteries of our reality is when a great amount of evidence and proof is being well presented and still, denial or excessive caution is taking place, and here it is possible that there are some other psychological or otherwise reasons. But this is a real phenomenon that seems to be wide and spread - it may be some kind of 'skepticism as a profession' on any one subject, in the condition that one claims to examine the facts on an adequate level and from all angles. Saying that, each of us may fall into this in any one field or area of research, this happens when our internal programming has the upper hand on the actual evidence presented before us.

What's certain is that school days kool-aid tasted better than today

I keep posting this video in support of such observations, knowing well that it can only reach the choir since the others will remain under the spell:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

Full interview:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0

Basically, 9-11 was a planet-wide mass hypnosis event (thanks to TV) which addressed people's unconscious rather than the "thinking" individual, you know, like the thing that spreads "mass hysteria" in a crowd... an emotional wave propagating panic all around and which people react viscerally to... no thinking ever involved!

All that's needed is an emotional shock that reaches that unconscious level in which people instantly become suggestible... the reason why the narrative, the culprit and the call for war had to be "suggested" within 24 hours... that is, before the emotional state of the planet gets a chance to subside and come back to "normal" (think of a narrow bell-shape curve).

Accordingly, anyone still "thinking" there was something fishy right off the bat -- or afterwards -- needs to be locked up in a psychiatric ward to find out why the hell they escaped the hypnotic spell (because, indeed, they are "out of their mind," i.e. not control by it)?

An interesting book on the subject: "Open to Suggestion" by Robert Temple.

As for ferreting one's own "programs" out from unconscious realms and into the open: "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman...

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Operator (here)
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So untangling the problems in this world is not about evidence but recognizing the programming and attempting to reverse it.

Yep!

And it all has to do with how the mind works and how information is processed:

Gilbert proposed that understanding a statement must begin with an attempt to believe it; you must first know what the idea would mean if it were true. Only then can you decide whether or not to unbelieve it.
[Daniel Gilbert, "How Mental Systems Believe" ( original paper link )]

How many of us spend the necessary time to "unbelieve" and strip false data out of our unconscious?

Which leads to "Rome":

While [Time] magazine's (April 13, 2009) expose of the "behavioral economists" surrounding President Barack Obama has put an important spotlight on a dangerous disease, infecting the economic decision-making at the Oval Office, the author of the expose only scratched the surface of the actual evil underlying this hedonistic madness. The bestial notion of man as an irrational creature, driven by overwhelming impulses to seek pleasure and avoid pain, which is at the heart of the so-called "behavioral economics" dogma , came directly from Venice, the wellspring of all modern financier oligarchism. The author of this schema, which ruthlessly rejects actual human creativity, was Paolo Sarpi (1552-1623).
[http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...owtopic=14216]

... that's the "Black Nobility" and its uses of its knowledge about human's mind to secure its future with SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse)....

[yelik]

People need to understand the real truth about what is going on before they can awaken and free themselves. The NWO and depopulation agenda is a long term plan that threatens humanity aswe know it. Simply cocooning oneself in a world of light and harmony is fine and may well help to starve the negative entities of their power, however sitting idly by doing nothing will achieve nothing in my opinion. At some point people will have to take to the street in protest if they can be bothered and want change.

In the words of Martin Luther King, ‘our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter’

As I understand Putin is not as bad as he’s made out to be. He’s kept fully in the loop, unlike Cameron, and has likely prevented the threat of WWW111 stemming from Ukraine.

[Carmody]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Limor (here)

Also check this out -

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/07/2...side-politics/

Blessings ~

Limor

Bumping this from Limor. Excellent article about magicians' tricks on the global stage, false flags through history (including recent history), etc.

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/07/24/selling-illusions-dark-side-politics

From the article:

The Gulf of Tonkin served as impetus for entering the Vietnam War. Problem is it was just another ruse. On August 4, 1964, President Johnson went on national television telling the nation North Vietnam had attacked U.S. ships. “Repeated acts of violence against the armed forces of the United States must be met not only with alert defense, but with a positive reply. That reply is being given as I speak tonight,” Johnson snarled. Soon Congress would approve the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution for military operations against North Vietnam.

Investigators are quite certain this attack never happened. Retired N.S.A. historian, Robert J. Hanyok, found in 2001 that the N.S.A. intentionally faked communications about the incident to create a false flag attack. Senators worried if these facts were ever released to the public that the masses would become infuriated. Hmmm? Maybe this is why they started putting fluoride in the water.

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this is ultra critical, as information goes. it is believed that fluoride in the water, as a form of record and facts found via testing (removal and watching the IQ rebound in the new generation) decreases IQ by about 10 IQ points, depending on concentration levels.

A comment from the chess master Gary Kasparov goes like: A single man with an IQ of 200, can out think a room full of 180 IQ geniuses next door.

They did not need to kill the people, they needed their work value, their ability to churn like a factory. What they needed was dumb slaves, so they dropped the IQ out of people. They literally dumbed them down, they physically removed the capacity to cognate and think above the animal origins.

like they are still doing right now, with GMO products, artificial sweeteners, chemical dosing, mercury laced vaccinations and chemtrails, and so on. (all those companies involved in such things are on the dark side of the cabal, the ones responsible for the wars and the deaths. the black ops dark side of things.) (basically, the hard core sociopath fascists)

[Roisin]

Selling Illusions and the Dark Side of Politics
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/07/2...side-politics/

What an excellent article. I'm going to keep it handy on my desktop to be able to read it over everyday just as a reminder on what's really going on in our world now. Thanks Limor for posting it!

[KiwiElf]

It's one thing to buy into a perceived reality as it is NOW = acceptance. It's another thing to create the reality you wish/intend it to move into (future tense), what you wish it to be - what are we focusing our energy on?

[christian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Well, Putin did propose and champion the Ukraine ceasefire talks in Minsk on 5 Sept (which were pretty successful), and since then Russian aid convoys have been arriving in the affected area. The Ukraine conflict was being stoked like a fire, but now it's disappeared off the CNN front pages. Nothing there any more (right now) that can be exploited...

And, re Syria, his perfectly timed and presented New York Times article may have saved a major war there this time last year. That was also being stoked heavily (as it is again, now...)

What I see is that Putin either is pro-Russia, or anti at least one version of the proposed NWO. He doesn't look all that much like anyone's puppet to me.

If it's a left-hand-right-hand Punch-and-Judy show, with someone telling Putin what to do and say, it's being done extraordinarily well. I would suggest that instead, even if Putin is pro-NWO in some form, there are different factions wrestling for control... which may be a good thing for us all.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so I appreciate when Putin catalyzes peace efforts and stalls the NWO agenda of the West. However, until I see evidence that convinces me otherwise I strongly suspect that Putin is focused on acquiring and consolidating more power for himself.

In regards to Syria, Putin is interested in pipelines. Oil and gas are main exports that Russia is dependent upon. Thus it's obvious that he doesn't want war there. If the West wages war against Syria, Russia loses influence there. Of course, Putin is happy to present himself as a genuine peace-maker, but I'd call that Machiavellian pragmatism—nothing that would win my trust.

In May of this year, Putin quietly passed a law that severely infringes on the freedom of bloggers. Many journalists critical of the regime met untimely deaths. The website of a Siberian independence movement was shut down and the BBC was asked to take down an interview with the founder of that movement. With a bit of time on my hands, I could expand on some of Putin's actions and policies that I don't like at all, but then again that's really not my main focus right now.

I agree that infighting amongst control freaks is better for humanity than a strongly focused and executed agenda, and I can see that Putin has interests that are not in alignment with the interests of the Western establishment, but I cannot see how Putin is directly focused on furthering the genuine empowerment of the individual.

[giovonni]

Thanks for all your post and insights ...

it is healthy and helpful to share a collective reflection of such matters here on the forum ...

[Hervé]

Along the line of the article linked by Limor and bumped by Bill, check this post/thread:

Time To Wake Up And Take Stock Of Suppressed History

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
If it's a left-hand-right-hand Punch-and-Judy show, with someone telling Putin what to do and say, it's being done extraordinarily well. I would suggest that instead, even if Putin is pro-NWO in some form, there are different factions wrestling for control... which may be a good thing for us all.

I would suggest that we're seeing in-fighting at one level, with essential agreement *by the elites* on a common enemy at another level.

The Nazi-Rothshchild-Zionist-Neocon-Bandar-Bush group has abused and stolen from the rest of the world too much, and is being pushed back by the BRICS and associates. (Bandar bin Sultan, of the House of Saud, is a long standing Saudi ally of Israel and friend of the Bush family, who is sometimes called "Bandar Bush." Both the Sauds and the Bushes are in this group.) Their abuse and theft is causing the infighting. When your neighborhood has been controlled for too long by a crime syndicate that has turned deeply nasty, it is hard not to cheer on another syndicate that is opposing them, even if that other syndicate also has criminal tendencies.

The common enemy is apparently alien. It made its presence on earth more evident, and perhaps threatening, when we humans started exploding nuclear bombs. The extent to which that alien presence is actually hostile, neutral or friendly, and the extent to which it is of one coherent nature or multiple diverse natures ... such things are not told to us ordinary humans.

But that threat (or what is perceived as such) has been motivating a truly massive breakaway civilization here on earth. The resources of human labor, biology, and genius, and the resources of this planet's wealth, including its minerals, plants, animals, humans, earth, air and water, are being sucked up and controlled by this breakaway civilization, leaving the worthless dregs, the debt and false promises of paper wealth, the depleted soil and polluted air and water, the decaying infrastructure and abandoned factories, the imposed tyranny and ignorance, to the bulk of the human population and to other life on this planet.

The physics, technology, and history known to this breakaway civilization are vastly different from that known to the public, even to the most distinguished experts and professors. The real wealth of this planet, in many forms, is increasingly controlled by this breakaway civlization. On the other hand, the publicly visible financial, monetary, wealth, production, trade, legal, political, education, and media institutions and infrastructure are a Potemkin village, an elaborate fraud.

It becomes increasingly difficult to find any major public institution, resource, financial investment, or professional endeavor worth investing one's time or money in ... that's because all such are being hollowed out ... their real worth stolen or controlled by the hidden hand of this breakaway civilization.

(Credit goes to Joseph P. Farrell and Catherine Austin Fitts for much of the above.)

[transiten]

In what way does personal and spiritual development tie into this debate? It's like the threads here on Avalon are split between this mundane perspective and the spiritual one (and then i mean the service to others/positive one of course) As soon as one throws oneself into the alien/NWO perspective it's like the spiritual one is as split as in the world outside this forum. Also only the negative side of spiritualty/channeling is mentioned. The positive stuff seems to end up in their own threads...correct me if i'm wrong...

[yelik]

We are by nature intuitive where many, but not enough, endeavour to discover the truth in order to understand our world which we know is not right if you are a righteous person.

Unfortunately man pursues a cycle of build and destroy which is not by chance, the banksters/ cabal benefit in numerous ways. They've been doing it for centuries so a very good at it.

Humans have many bad traits which slow our evolution, however if people took the time to understand the world and how it works then things would be very different in my opinion. Mass righteous free will would almost change the world overnight, but not enough people care, which is not by chance. Whilst we remain with our head in the sand we are contributing to our own demise

[jerry]

For starters he threw out all of the Rothschild bankers a while back. I want to think he's against this global domination scheme. The best thing that can happen is to have these bankers who control and gut the country fall on their sword. We need a new leadership in Washington to restore the freedoms we use to have. All the turmoil in the world today is caused by the greed of these Ba***rds. A trillion lost and covered up in OK city bombing 2+ trillion Loss and covered up in 911. These false flags are nothing but pillaging of the wealth of the nation and a way to cover it up. We as a people obviously are too apathetic to do anything especially with the leaders now in power, all bought and paid for or compromised through the use of the NSA. So if Putin cant expose or stop em, nobody can or will try to bother. IMHO he's all we GOT.

Posted by transiten (here)
How on earth would you think this corrupt Russian regime with a former KBG agent like Putin turning Russia into dictatorship is going to save the world???

[grannyfranny100]

Leuren Moret previously did extensive research on depleted uranium, our military's use of it in land based-weapons, the subsequent destruction of our troops' health and the health of Iraqi civilians, as well as the long term effects on the land and the staggering increase in birth defects of children.....

[AuCo]

Polish ex-minister might need a little more convincing that Putin is to save the world now that he said "Putin offered to divide Ukraine with Poland":

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I92A720141020

and that some Polish probably believe it is true that "Putin Blew Up the Whole Polish Government in 2010":
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...cond-look.html

and that some might even think that the explosives came from WWII era http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/10...n_2043558.html. How sad, they came to commemorate their own WWII fallen.

Some things to consider, I suppose.