Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

[jerry]

All I want is to see the video footage and its a no argument scenario .

Posted by Oouthere (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
(The topic of this thread is the VT article.)

If you want, start a new thread titled, "Why I think the US government covered-up EVERYTHING about what really happened on 9/11 - except that a commercial 757 really did hit the Pentagon even if the damage on the face of the Pentagon is inexplicably way too small for a 757."

The only thing too small is the time ignoring analysis and actually looking at the impact area.

[TargeT]

Posted by Oouthere (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
When a strongly held belief is challenged, the Fight/Flight/Freeze mechanisms in our brain are activated.

The person with the strongly held belief will NOT change their mind regardless of the information presented to them, they are in a physiological state of panic, short term memory is lost, all that is left is the DEEPLY seeded NEED to defend the idea as-if-their-life-depends-on-it.

When you get that "flush" of emotional charge while responding to a comment, you are approaching or already in the above described state; when you neurotically and circularly argue a topic, the above state is probably the cause. This is not something that is easy to observe in ones self unless the individual is used to introspection, its hard to see.

But you need to understand I've stood on both sides of the line. The complete "no plane" theory to a balanced approach that accounts for all aspects using only known technology. Truth is the most important thing, and I could not find truth in stating anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon. There is no way a person can be honest with themselves and explain the parts in a logical manner that is consistent with anything other than a 757 impact. Otherwise it would have already been done.

I find it hard to believe I am being accused of be illogical when no one here can explain away the parts.

Do you think my statements only applied to you?

[Cidersomerset]

That's a lot to address.

I have little faith in RV. If it were so accurate, the sun would have already
destroyed the earth and dozens of other predictions would have already came to
pass as given by Mr. RV (Ed Dames). Yes, some get a few things right but it is not consistent.
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No one knows what the standing order was with Cheney (by the way, I think the
is evil). The countdown could have been the intercept of the Shanksville
aircraft. There was a runway less than a minute away that normally had fighter
aircraft and therefore probably had anti-aircraft ground systems as well. So unless
you find the airman that did the countdown, you will not know what the reference is.

I personally believe Cheney and Rumsfeld both were part of 911 but only partial
information on something this important cannot be totally weighed in the negative.
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CNN no plane report - It looked like that at first glance, just when you dig deeper
that you find that multiple rings had been penetrated and people had airplane parts
land near their vehicles and laying on the lawn. One guy even said a missile, but all
of the dozens of other witnesses say it was an aircraft.
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April Gallop. I once held her in high esteem until things did not add up. How did
she exit a penetration hole that was burning? Then you find that army SSgt Braman
saw her exit a set of double doors that had blown open. His lungs were damaged
from the jet fuel that Gallop said was not present. She had a concussion and I have
seen numerous people with these while riding motocross. They cannot remember
longer than a few seconds, asking the same question numerous times in a minute.
She also tried to sue AA, so either she believes a 757 hit or she simply went for
money. Either way, she played both sides of the line.
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There's plenty of info showing large amounts of debris that exited the hole. It is up
to the person to believe or not, but at least a couple of the parts have been
identified to fit a 757.
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Rumsfeld acted suspiciously on 911, I believe he is guilty as sin. No argument
here, but no missile either.
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Stubblebine did great in his achievements but he's also a little off. He lost some of
my respect when he started banging his head on the wall while trying to walk
through it. But he's just wrong imo, the parts fit a 757, Purdue shows how the
impact played out, and the generator damage fits perfectly for a 757 impact.
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I'll finish this later.

It should of been the easiest thing in the universe for the government/ FBI to prove
that these planes flew into the buildings within days, like at Lockerbie , Ukraine
and 101 accidents and bombings . But nothing seems right about this from
the early witness's, odd media reports , whistle blowers , Firemen who were
there, reporting multiple explosions. The money trail from the Pentagon missing
trillions, The two Towers being bought just before. Who and what was based in
building 7, The missile hit just the right 'sweet' spot in the Pentagon to kill all
the adit/financial naval investigation personnel. Immediately blaming Bin Laden,
The Saudi , Israeli interests , the Neo -con agenda. and much much , more.

I know you know all this and are not questioning the bigger picture ? just the
delivery systems ? Which is valid. I go with a mixture of possibilities. In one good
doc many witness's report planes near the Pentagon and one.possibly flew low over
the building just prior to the explosion. Again with multi cameras that none were
either pointing in the fight direction or working which I find odd. We are in a 'Big
Bros surveillance state where most of the cameras don't work when 'Big Bros .
does not want the public to see the psyop, a lot of this would be slightly amusing if
it was not so tragic and resulting in millions of civilians being killed or mistreated
thru the 'police state ' policies pushed thru in the wake of the 9/11 coup/psop call it
what it you like.......


Two brave men ' Assassined ?' for speaking out strongly at critical
times in the UK trying to prevent the second Iraq war.....







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Lives mean nothing to 'elites' it seems ......Not only in the west.




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You don't need to answer this post , I'm letting off a little steam. I know you are
aware of most of this otherwise you would not be here.If real planes really were
flown into the buildings , probably by remote control, ,it changes nothing to the
strategic war planned by the Neo -cons for the new American century,the aim
among many with the Russia out of play for the short term, and the threat of China
undercutting world markets with their massive labour force and the fact they were
taking over large portions of Africa for aid for resources programmes.It was
imperative to keep control of the oil fields of the Middle East and the minerals
and drugs trade in Afghanistan as part of the CIA black project 'slush' fund. Also to
make lots of money for themselves and the big corporates , leaving the poor and
middleclass US citizen to bleed and pay the bill for the privilage of serving their
masters, no country.....

[Operator]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Oouthere (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
When a strongly held belief is challenged, the Fight/Flight/Freeze mechanisms in our brain are activated.

The person with the strongly held belief will NOT change their mind regardless of the information presented to them, they are in a physiological state of panic, short term memory is lost, all that is left is the DEEPLY seeded NEED to defend the idea as-if-their-life-depends-on-it.

When you get that "flush" of emotional charge while responding to a comment, you are approaching or already in the above described state; when you neurotically and circularly argue a topic, the above state is probably the cause. This is not something that is easy to observe in ones self unless the individual is used to introspection, its hard to see.

But you need to understand I've stood on both sides of the line. The complete "no plane" theory to a balanced approach that accounts for all aspects using only known technology. Truth is the most important thing, and I could not find truth in stating anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon. There is no way a person can be honest with themselves and explain the parts in a logical manner that is consistent with anything other than a 757 impact. Otherwise it would have already been done.

I find it hard to believe I am being accused of be illogical when no one here can explain away the parts.

Do you think my statements only applied to you?

Except for a 'Thanks' I did not textually respond to that post but I agree with every word you wrote.
I think it broadly applies to most of us on this planet. Most of us have strong held beliefs. I noticed this
having one myself. I can't remember exactly where but in another thread/post I raised a red flag because
somebody said something about Apollo and the moon. But is it wise to stop listening altogether? There
still could be valuable info somewhere in there ...

We need to become aware of and detect when we switch from perceiving to judgmental. A difficult but
very valuable lesson in life.

P.S. Perhaps the movie Crash is a good example. You think you know how it is going to end but has lot of surprises.

[The Lawnman]

What we do know is in "most" cases when the USCORP commissions an "Official" report they rarely tell the truth. In my lifetime I've seen this happen too many times for them to have any credibility. (John F. Kennedy Assassination, Gulf of Tonkin, Bay of Pigs, 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Waco Assassinations, Ruby Ridge Assassinations, TWA800, 9/11, Financial Crisis, 2008) The list goes on and on, too many to list. They (USCORP) can and do pull these events off without much problem because most people allow themselves to be programmed via. TV to believe what they're told by it.

[Curious77]

Bunker Buster suggestion is most likely, from inside.

Agree that this thread is a waste of valuable energy and time.

[jackovesk]

Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

I think the 'Headline' above' may need to be changed "Quick-Smart" after (Listening/Watching) this...

MILITARY WHISTLEBLOWER REVEALS CIA AND SWISS BANKS FUNDING OF ISIS, AL QUEDA

Originally recorded live on the Project Camelot Livestream Channel.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jo8Xm46s62I

http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog...nett-interview

PS -

[Cidersomerset]

I think the 'Headline' above' may need to be changed "Quick-Smart" after (Listening/Watching) this...

MILITARY WHISTLEBLOWER REVEALS CIA AND SWISS BANKS FUNDING OF ISIS, AL QUEDA

Originally recorded live on the Project Camelot Livestream Channel.
Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jo8Xm46s62I
http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog...nett-interview

This seems like a very good interview , I'm 45 mins in and must
make a comment on this point as it is something I have thought
about in all walks of industry , business and services like NHS etc..

He is talking about his boss Booz Hamilton , not letting him pass on
or develop information for the military until a new contract has
been agreed. He explains it better , but basically to hell with
it whether soldiers are killed or maimed.....'sign the contract'..This is
something that has always made me angry. He passed it on
anyway as he was older and not part of the old boys network,
or a younger officer that could be 'flobbed off' or ignored.......

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listening again , a lot is discussed so you need to concentrate...


He goes on to say how he upset his boss at Booz Hamilton and
was set up and jailed,where he met another whistleblower who
was set up and jailed. He goes into more details about this and explains
how most people who try to get out info are quashed. Even talking to
the press is dangerous as the CIA. intel agencies , elites have infiltrated
everything and explains why Snowden did what did because he saw
him and others arrested on false charges and jailed to keep them
quite or discredit them with a criminal record , or pay them off or suicide
them. All the spy thriller stuff that we knew/suspected goes on.

He acknowledges some of Wiki leaks info as being good from his point
of view and much more. He say he thinks Michael Hastings was assassinated
because he upset some of General Mc Chrystals people and was taken out by
a thermite charge in his vehicle.......

At one point they had proof that at least 19,000 accounts were being used,
this fluctuated all the time...Eric Holder. Hilary Clinton and many to players
are involved in this ....

I'm one and half in and broke off to do other things but definatley worth a
listen , if you get the chance..

[Oouthere]

At 12 minutes he still has not said anything other than letters have been sent and maybe ISIS has been funded by Swiss banks. He certainly puts out a lot of disclaimers.

If anyone has problems finding time to watch videos (like me), here's what is said up until about 40 minutes. He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet.

[Cidersomerset]

At 12 minutes he still has not said anything other than letters have been sent and maybe ISIS has been funded by Swiss banks. He certainly puts out a lot of disclaimers.

If anyone has problems finding time to watch videos (like me), here's what is said up until about 40 minutes. He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet.

I was looking to see if I could find any shorter interviews given by Scott, could
only find a segment from the above interview.......

Segment from the 3hr interview above talking how the
Department of Justice are showing potential ex prisoners
vids and literature about CIA / Mossad assassination
squads and other info over the last 50 years.......

PROJECT CAMELOT SCOTT BENNETT INTERVIEW SEGMENT

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q3irCZRQSM4

[jackovesk]

Posted by Oouthere (here)
At 12 minutes he still has not said anything other than letters have been sent and maybe ISIS has been funded by Swiss banks. He certainly puts out a lot of disclaimers.

If anyone has problems finding time to watch videos (like me), here's what is said up until about 40 minutes. He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet.

Not enough time to watch/listen to the clip I posted 'above'...((I Get It)) I'm time-poor too...

WHAT I DON'T GET IS THIS....

He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet

Why even bother to make such a weak statement...

This Project Camelot Clip with 'Bennett' certainly has some ground breaking ((Intel)) not only on who's funding ISIS, ISIL, IS, but nearing the end he goes over exactly what happened at the ((Pentagon)) on 911, who the players were & what was flown into the Pentagon (Nearing the 'end' of the clip)...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jo8Xm46s62I

PS - So without listening to the clip in its entirety don't dismiss this Bennett's (Testimony) by merely stating...

He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet

That's just showing how (Lazy) some posters have become here at Avalon...

This bloke is one smart man who deserves to be Heard)))))...

Next time, be a little more careful with the ((Truth)) my friend if you want to be taken seriously...

[Oouthere]

I probably should have elaborated a little more, but up until the 40 minute point there really wasn't much else said.

[Oouthere]

You may want to reconsider your opinion on Scott Bennett. I was 10 years air force and got to play security augmentee during excercises while at Incirlik AB, Turkey. You never suggest turning around and leaving after the security police tell you to step out of the vehicle, he did this twice. Being suspicious I found a report on line stating he was drunk and was arrested while trying to enter MacDill AFB.

The story is a pretty good read, here is part of it:

"....After being booked in late-April on a DUI count, Bennett returned to MacDill, where he was met at the gate by an Air Force Police investigator, who sought to question him about the weapons found in his vehicle (MacDill residents are required to register firearms and ammo with the Base Armory). Bennett invoked his right to remain silent and denied permission to search his apartment.

However, after a military magistrate signed a search warrant, Bennett’s home was raided. Investigators reported finding “seven loaded firearms; approximately 9389 additional rounds of ammunition; numerous knives; brass knuckles; an electric stun gun; and a collapsible baton, in addition to other weapons and prohibited materials.” None of the material had been registered with the MacDill armory."

Bennett stated there is no time frame for registering weapons at MacDill AFB, this is from their website:

"Weapons Registration
Persons residing in MacDill Bachelor Officer Quarters, Bachelor Airman Quarter, and Temporary Lodging Facility must register and surrender their firearms/ammunition to the Security Forces for storage in the Security Forces Armory immediately upon arrival on base. Personnel residing in the housing area may store their firearms and ammunition in their quarters."

He also said that the civilian court should not have anything to do with his case, but they do. At MacDill AFB the on-base housing is actually contracted housing and can be patrolled by either the military police or civilian police (assuming it is the same legal structure as other AFBs I have been stationed at i.e. Keesler AFB & Shaw AFB).

Bennett may have had outstanding information but he undeniably twists and changes facts to suit his needs.

[Cidersomerset]

Bennett may have had outstanding information but he undeniably twists and changes facts to suit his needs.

Exactly his point they either discredit you , buy you or kill you.

He maybe damaged goods now unfortunately ,but maybe another potential
whistle blower may see this interview and find a better way to disclose, maybe
having to go as far as Snowden. It is certainly a very cut throat dangerous world
they perpetuate.

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These articles go with Kerry interview , maybe it needs a separate thread.....


Leading German Journalist Admits CIA ‘Bribed’ Him and Other Leaders of the Western ‘Press’

new Wednesday 8th October 2014 at 08:16 By david-icke





‘Udo Ulfkotte, a former editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (which is one of Germany’s largest newspapers),
has decided to go public about the corruption of himself and the rest of the Western ‘news’ media, because he finds
that this corruption is bringing Europe too close to a nuclear war against Russia, which he concludes the U.S.
aristocracy that controls the CIA wants to bring about, or else to bring closer to the brink.’

Read more: Leading German Journalist Admits CIA ‘Bribed’ Him and Other Leaders of the Western ‘Press’

http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/...western-press/

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Nomi Prins on fraudulent politicians vs. fraudulent bankers

Wednesday 8th October 2014 at 06:38 By david-icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8w5IFPe9RJU

Published on 4 Oct 2014


Although some Wall Street bankers have gotten away with criminal activity, Nomi Prins, author and senior
fellow at Demos, explains that bankers are still at more risk that politicians – like former NJ Governor
Jon Corzine – when it comes to fraud.

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SGkZ-ZrD8ZU

Where does all this money come from ? I think we already knew about the CIA
drug trade and other slush fund operations over the decades. By coincidence the
movie The Good Shepherd was on BBC 2 last Saturday and it was very good
showing the rise of the CIA after being formed from army intelligence that
was formed with help from MI6 , which explains the closeness of US/UK intel,
which carried on thru the cold war until today. It starts in the aftermath of the Bay
of Pigs sponsored CIA disaster , and in flash backs charts the rise of 'mother'
from recruitment in Yale via the Scull and Bones fraternity . They show a sanitised
version of the induction ritual , which is still odd , then tell a good spy thriller.

It will be on the I player till this sunday , if you can get it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...-good-shepherd

The Good Shepherd
Spy thriller charting the life of the man charged with heading the CIA's covert
operations during the Bay of Pigs scandal. Starring Matt Damon and Robert De Niro.

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US spent billions to wage coup in Ukraine: Analyst

new Wednesday 8th October 2014 at 07:25 By david-icke





‘An internationally-reputed political commentator says the United States has spent
billions of dollars to engineer an “entire coup” in Ukraine.

“The US spent 5 billion dollars through NGOs to call for a revolution [in Ukraine]
which Russia has correctly identified as a war,” Mike Billington, with the Executive
Intelligence Review, said in an interview with Press TV.

The analyst went onto say that the US Assistant Secretary for European and
Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland is still in Kiev to manage the aftermath of
the “coup” and the ongoing chaos in the country.’

Read more: US spent billions to wage coup in Ukraine: Analyst




http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10...up-in-ukraine/

[Cidersomerset]

but nearing the end he goes over exactly what happened at the
((Pentagon)) on 911, who the players were & what was flown into the Pentagon
(Nearing the 'end' of the clip)...

I've finally got to aprox 2.37 mins where he tells Kerry about the military drone
that flew into the Pentagon , in conjunction with external explosions which
murdered the naval accountants , and how Booz Hamilton has been infiltratedby
MOSSAD . Bin Laden and some info about him,he mentions The department of
justice and the bureau of prisons are giving released prisoner potential recruits
class's called 'Deep Black' the history of MOSSAD and CIA assassination and
money laundering drug operations over the past 60 years , and more he seems
genuine to me.......

Cheers Jack.....

[jackovesk]

Posted by Oouthere (here)
You may want to reconsider your opinion on Scott Bennett. I was 10 years air force and got to play security augmentee during excercises while at Incirlik AB, Turkey. You never suggest turning around and leaving after the security police tell you to step out of the vehicle, he did this twice. Being suspicious I found a report on line stating he was drunk and was arrested while trying to enter MacDill AFB.

The story is a pretty good read, here is part of it:

"....After being booked in late-April on a DUI count, Bennett returned to MacDill, where he was met at the gate by an Air Force Police investigator, who sought to question him about the weapons found in his vehicle (MacDill residents are required to register firearms and ammo with the Base Armory). Bennett invoked his right to remain silent and denied permission to search his apartment.

However, after a military magistrate signed a search warrant, Bennett’s home was raided. Investigators reported finding “seven loaded firearms; approximately 9389 additional rounds of ammunition; numerous knives; brass knuckles; an electric stun gun; and a collapsible baton, in addition to other weapons and prohibited materials.” None of the material had been registered with the MacDill armory."

Bennett stated there is no time frame for registering weapons at MacDill AFB, this is from their website:

"Weapons Registration
Persons residing in MacDill Bachelor Officer Quarters, Bachelor Airman Quarter, and Temporary Lodging Facility must register and surrender their firearms/ammunition to the Security Forces for storage in the Security Forces Armory immediately upon arrival on base. Personnel residing in the housing area may store their firearms and ammunition in their quarters."

He also said that the civilian court should not have anything to do with his case, but they do. At MacDill AFB the on-base housing is actually contracted housing and can be patrolled by either the military police or civilian police (assuming it is the same legal structure as other AFBs I have been stationed at i.e. Keesler AFB & Shaw AFB).

Bennett may have had outstanding information but he undeniably twists and changes facts to suit his needs.

.................

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

but nearing the end he goes over exactly what happened at the
((Pentagon)) on 911, who the players were & what was flown into the Pentagon
(Nearing the 'end' of the clip)...

I've finally got to aprox 2.37 mins where he tells Kerry about the military drone
that flew into the Pentagon , in conjunction with external explosions which
murdered the naval accountants , and how Booz Hamilton has been infiltratedby
MOSSAD . Bin Laden and some info about him,he mentions The department of
justice and the bureau of prisons are giving released prisoner potential recruits
class's called 'Deep Black' the history of MOSSAD and CIA assassination and
money laundering drug operations over the past 60 years , and more he seems
genuine to me.......

Cheers Jack.....

No worries Cider...

Couple more things on Bennett...

1. He was (Set-Up) & did a 3 year Jail stint

2. You only have to hear the 'Entire' testimony to know he's a true 'Patriot' and telling the (Whole Truth & Nothing but the Truth)...

PS - The ((People)) must be made aware that almost the entire ((National Security & Spy Agencies)) across America have now been ((Privatised/Outsourced)) and therefore ((Unanswerable)) to Govt...!!!

[KiwiElf]

Bit of a sidestep, but in reference to post # 294, Here is the video from Udo Ulfkotte:

Disgusted Journalist Spills the Beans and Admits All the News is Fake!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yp-Wh77wt1o

A top German Journalist and Editor, Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, has just gone public with some shocking admissions. He basically admitted what all of us who read the alternative media have known for a long time – the entire mainstream media is totally fake! He went into a very detailed talk in this video and spilled the beans about everything! He talked about how the CIA gets control over all of the major journalists. He is sick of the lying and decided to go public with everything he knows. He’s already had 3 heart attacks and decided he didn’t care anymore about what they would do to him! - Glenn Canady

[jackovesk]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Bit of a sidestep, but in reference to post # 294, Here is the video from Udo Ulfkotte:

Disgusted Journalist Spills the Beans and Admits All the News is Fake!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yp-Wh77wt1o

A top German Journalist and Editor, Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, has just gone public with some shocking admissions. He basically admitted what all of us who read the alternative media have known for a long time – the entire mainstream media is totally fake! He went into a very detailed talk in this video and spilled the beans about everything! He talked about how the CIA gets control over all of the major journalists. He is sick of the lying and decided to go public with everything he knows. He’s already had 3 heart attacks and decided he didn’t care anymore about what they would do to him! - Glenn Canady

Gotta start a Thread on this, the more people that see it the better...

[WhiteFeather]

What a Helluva Guy and so Compassionate. Here's a photo shot/press kit of Mr. Donald "Duck" Rumsfeld at the Pentagon on 911 carrying out a victim from the Pentagon from that Missile that struck the Pentagon. Oops, did i say missile, my bad. . However I wasn't impressed. Seems that Macy's had more surveillance cameras than the Pentagon ehh?




Did the retired 911 Commissioner just say Missile struck the Pentagon? You be the judge.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BZRFvavH_vk

On 911,,,,,,This just about sums it all up, have a gander.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Znfa6OMy_pQ

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=07Bn_CC_mrg

Some Extra Prizes, Here's a photo of The Three Stooges.

[Oouthere]

I e-mailed military member that was at the Pentagon on 911, he had helped remove bodies and recover after the incident. I asked him to post here but he declined after stating that some people cannot be reasoned with. But for what it's worth, he was picking-up aircraft parts for a full day.