Who created the reptilians and the AI species?

[Gemma13]

Hi
Apologies for my ignorance here but in order to "catch-up" it would be greatly appreciated if some members could supply me with forum links as well as perhaps their own perspectives and research re:

Who created the Reptilians?
Who created the specie of Artificial Intelligence?

There is an enormous body of work referencing and discussing the origins of humanity however I'm unsure as to whether full comprehension of origins can be adequately formulated unless we at least consider the origins and purpose of other species in the equations. I'm sure this has been comprehensively covered but would appreciate a compass direction.

Thanks
Gemma13

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

It's a great question.

So far my sources Val Valerian i believe who did the matrix books (manuals) said a jellyfish like entity created them to actually mess with humans! (i think you'll find a rare youtube where he talksaboutt that).

Alex Collier said the A's said they were just "dumped" here - because they were not liked from whoever had the ability to do that.

No one knows for sure would be a safe bet, but look at it as life on our planet evolved - by something or someone that helped "make that so".

So... what do you think?

[etheric underground]

I believe they were placed in this universe to contain them. They are amazing and ruthless warriors, with no empathy. If you believe that our sun is a portal
to another universe/universes..then I would assume they were placed here through the sun portal. Whoever ( higher dimensional beings?) must have purpose
for their containment here but whoever they are is the million dollar question.
Technology ( including Artificial intelligence ) is the reptilians GOD(religion)....So I would say the AI's stem from their high tech knowledge.

[GoodETxSG]

Unfortunately we have to rely on imagined human, channeled or directely experienced Non-Earth Human and Other off world sources for both of these answers.

You will get as many answers as you have click's of members that hang out in forums on similar posted belief systems. And boy has it become a hot button religious system for some.

The honest answer is We Cannot Really Know for Sure! Humanity has been lied to, manipulated and betrayed by just about every group "Out There" that has provided us any of this information or we have signed treaties with.

All I have to go off of is the information that I shared in my interview which was presented to me in "Documentation" at a number of UN type of "Federation Conferences". The "Earth Deligates" (Elites) had the "Intuitive Empaths" present to sense any deception. They were just as much in the dark as most of the people on the planet to some of the real answers to these questions.

At these "Conferences" Their Documentation stated the "ET AI's" were from another "Reality or Dimension" and came here in an extremely ancient time and the Reptillians and Mantids were either from extremely far off galaxies of a very different type as ours that creates a certain "Life Template" and/or (Most likely) another dimension/reality which quite a few beings have learned to traverse.

So we are left with our discernment skills (Very little that they are and exercised, as we have been controlled and influenced our entire histories) to figure out what is what... That is what the "Elites" are still trying to do.

Anyone that tells you that they know these answers for sure, I would give a cock eyed look... IMHO.

[WhiteFeather]

Perhaps Simon Parkes could answer this question or already has in his prior posts.

[Omni]

I personally do not think the reptilians were created by another race so much as they just evolved through natural means for a lot of them. After a reptilian hierarchy was established perhaps those reptilians took to incubating/developing other reptilian races to be in the image they desire. I can't be sure of these things but it makes the most sense to me.

As for AI, it is my understanding pretty much all races that travel interstellar have AI capability. However when I say AI I mean by common human definitions, not conscious AI.

[thunder24]

was told a few years ago that there is more then one type of reptilian, which would make sense if we have different types of humans, never the less... one reptile species was supposedly already on earth when humans came to be the "top dog", and then there are the ones that aren't from earth. It was presented to me in the fashion as there is two kinds of Predator in the movies Alien and predators...

Where my mind went when told this was how in Zechariah Sitchin's translations of Sumerian texts that some of the annunaki stayed on earth and some went back into the sky...made me think the ones on earth became a different subset of reptilian, thus they were the ones already here on earth. (but i can not prove or disprove this).

If life is all working on templates, and one applies matter and sound to the templates I suppose one could create all kinds of wild looking vessel for consciousness (whatever that is) to inhabit. along the lines of humans and reptilians by appearance are just biological machines, so any crazy looking two armed two legged one headed being could be created....

last night i listened to a great interview with Joseph P. Farrell at around 47 mins he talks about "the ancients conceiving of the physical medium"
...he goes on to say that they saw the "fabric of space time as the philosophers stone because it transmutes itself, and consciousnesses is directly interfaced with this medium."
talks about "blood sacrifice as a way to shock the medium to gain power and influence" "a way to gain control over it and manipulate it for a certain goal or purpose" this struck me between the eyes... had never heard it put like that before...

... but I would have to say that is is related to how and who created reptilians and A.I.

heres the audio:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=x489Ar8KZb0

[GoodETxSG]

There certainly are many many different kinds (Sizes, Shapes and Technologically/Spiritually Advanced Stages of Development) of Reptilian and Reptoid (Reptilian/Birdish Mix) types of beings. The "Draco's" are "Intruders" to our space/time from what was communicated to me.

Not all "Reptilian like beings" are in league with the "Draco's" (Just because they have scales and feathers) and some are even "blood feud" enemies of them. There are plenty of the Reptilian types that were conquered and worship the "Draco's" as gods and follow their commands.

The "Reptoids" that evolved here (Had their own ancient break away civilization) and were forced 'Under Ground" are natural enemies of "Mankind" but are also enemies of the "Draco's"... The enemy of my enemy is my "Tenuous" friend, in some of these cases.

How would you like to do battle with an "Ally" who "sometimes" (Not always, depends on the actual group and hopefully you are briefed on the possibility.) celebrates a great joint victory by turning on you and biting your head off like you are a bottle of champagne?

Ahh...The Joy of Interspecies Customs (True "Exopolitics"). One more reason I was overjoyed not to be on the "Other Federation Conference" rotation. As I said in the Interview I do not like to speak of these beings very much. I have said about all I need to.

The Discernment is yours..

[OnyxKnight]

If we go by what's out there as information ... partially everybody is correct to some degree. If you explain away some of these things in another way, because you look at it from a different angle, as well as if you are also privy to some details about it, then it becomes clear why pretty much most of the theories and/or "fun facts" that you will stumble across the internet about the 'Reptoids' (that's how I prefer to call them, to distinguish them from the reptilian animal kingdom on Earth, with whom they share a certain degree of common traits appearance-wise, but putting aside convergent evolution and its peculiarities, these guys have different internal mechanisms).

Do they come from another dimension/reality? Yes. Were they brought here deliberately? Yes. Was part of the reason to mess with us (well, not us directly, but human civilizations throughout known space as a whole)? Yes. Were they responsible for the 'Great Exodus'? Yes.

But, some of these things don't make a lot of sense all clumped together if you don't have the necessary details that shed light as to where the connections lie.


From my contacts, and they don't know the whole deal, they refer to their creators as Oros Nimura. Alien intelligence probably not native to this universe (or reality). There is a debate where they were a fringe group that deviated from the Progenitor flock, with their own agenda and philosophical difference to them, or if they are a different group existing separately and in parallel to them. All they know is that this group was always talked about in a plural form, that makes them think it was some sort of collective intelligence. The Progenitors were more individualistic in contrast. The basic form that they had from that "other reality" was not compatible with this one here so their creators decided they would restructure them from ground up to be able to exist here. This happened somewhere in the direction of the Draco constellation thousands of light years away. They were guided through space, establishing colonies on many worlds, many species either eradicated, enslaved, or purposely mutated. The underline philosophy is becoming part of the "family" if you are good enough. Their interest in Alpha Draconis was a guided one, there were several intelligent species existing ion neighboring worlds around it, but that wasn't the main reason (according to what was told to me). There is this thing that my contacts call "quantum stellar fluctuations" for certain types of stars. Alpha Draconis is one of them that has this.

I wanted to put the following in spoilers, but for some odd reason, this forum doesn't support that feature so I have to add two more paragraphs of explaining something that needed to be optional reading and now might be forced:

Some have it periodically in cycles, some have it - then lose it, some don't have it but gain it later on etc. - Rarely do stars appear to have that as a constant. Like our sun. Which is why there is so much activity there. Many of the visitors are only interested in the Sun, rather than us, exactly because of this. What does this "quantum flux" factor do you may ask? It creates portals. If you have advanced enough technology, you can use these portals. It connects a star with a number of other stars. You go in the Sun, and go out through another star, and you could be 10 or 1000 or 100 000 000 light years away, depending on the frequency, stability, potency and any catalyst present that boosts up the "address range". I don't understand a lot of this, eves less how they pick up "addresses" in space where they want to go. I know some of these stars have a given set of "addresses" that never change, until the star dies and the portal is no longer usable. Others change their "addresses" periodically, some to the point of having a new set each cycle (which could last from days to dozen years sometimes).

Statistically, giant stars have more of this "quantum stellar flux" than normal stars like our Sun. Which makes our Sun special in a certain way. These portals are not like the natural ones that occur in the universe, be that on planets, or near them, or just in the space between the stars. They are constructed using those peculiar properties of the star. They call the whole thing Udrina Nesaza, which I'm not exactly sure how to translate in understandable terms. "Door-Tree Net"? That's how they call this network of portals between the stars, they have noticed some artificial "structures" inside the stars exhibiting these properties. These "structures" signal each other too, acting sometimes as relays, and boosting a signal to tremendous power. One such signal passes through our Sun, and its probably why we have a portal to the Andromeda galaxy from here (again, according to my contacts). They think the Genesis Spheres other than being mobile banks of life/seeding factories, they also act as repair units in case some damage is been done to a particular star that is part of the Udrina Nesaza.

So they establish a base of operations on a planet, circling a white dwarf, part of the Alpha Draconis system, from where they send some of their mutated life forms through it to expand their empire (not sure how else to call it). They themselves, the "master race", the originals, can't traverse the stellar gates. They die during that process. Something to do with how they were made to exist in this universe by their creators. The originals travel in suspended animation, in big motherships, which eventually found their way in a place that was not otherwise reachable by the stellar portal systems and their proxy mutant races who can use them. The place is the Ring Nebula of today, back then known as Amufar. A star that hosted three worlds with biospheres and intelligent life.

After the first contact went as bad as it could go, the system began to be invaded heavily, from all sides, prompting the natives to use a dangerous type of travel - the stargate technology, which they were only recently began experimenting with - in order to escape the invading forces. During these attempts, the "reptoids" made their star age in a matter of minutes by teleporting a huge iron planetoid while the heart of the star was open (and it has to be, for one to use the means of travel). This made the star unstable, and some of the 12 000 arc ships either got destroyed in the process, or got lost in space with a different "address" than the intended one. Hence why some ended up at star systems like Vega or Sirius who are not exactly very welcoming places for life (or at least, were not back at that time). These stars were not picked deliberately. They were the only option, considering most of the arcs did not have the means to do interstellar travel, so they had to improvise what what they had.

Following what I called, the "signals" connecting these stars, the Reptoids managed to track down quite a few of the anthropoid and mammaloid cultures (by this time diversifying) and resuming what they planned to do with them back at Amufar. It wasn't easy for them this time around, as a lot of progress was made in technology by the time they got here so the battlefield was kind of evened out. During the process of colonization (kickstarted by the Great Exodus) many of the cultures that were more or less closer to each other than others, formed a formal body known as the Association of Reformed Systems (later only called the Association of Systems). It was far from Star-Trek like Federation, but did held some similarity, one alive even today. The Association has come a long way since then. There are some "Grey" variants, and some Reptoid species that are part of it. I'd like to emphasize the word "some" in this case. Its not a trend. Its an anomaly. A good one. Species that decided to go against the overarching philosophy many of their fellow races abide, or that their creators have enforced. Serving a higher purpose, more noble one.

I would like to make a distinction - Artificial Intelligence means that the intelligence was produced by artificial, non-natural means. Be that intelligence sapient or not. If we talk about other dimensional intelligences, invading our universe/reality, that requires a distinctive term, as A.I. (artificial intelligence) does not exactly apply here. As far as I know, the reptoids don't use A.I.s, their brains are made in such a way that they can connect in telepathy and function as a huge mental processing power which kind of performs as well as a powerful artificial intelligence would. Its a "why fix if it ain't broken?"-type situation. Why create A.I. when you and your fellows can perform just as well, sharing your mental capacity with each other?

Other regressive groups do have A.I.s, but the level of sophistication and independent willpower differ from group to group.

[Jeffrey]

I find it fascinating, from the perspective of metabiology, that reptilians are shape shifters. In other words, they are pleomorphic. According to the pleomorphic theory of germs, microbes are shape shifters.

Alright, so bacteria are decomposers. Given the opportunity, based on the internal milieu, they begin working to break down organic matter.

Putrefaction is one of seven stages in the decomposition of the body of a dead animal or human. It can be viewed, in broad terms, as the decomposition of proteins in a process that results in the eventual breakdown of cohesion between tissues and the liquefaction of most organs. It is caused due to bacterial or fungal decomposition of organic matter and results in production of noxious odors. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putrefaction

Now, bacteria don't do this unless called to action. More correctly, if the internal environment of the body is in a diseased state, this condition creates the food that attracts the bacteria. They are drawn towards the food like flies are attracted to garbage. Once they gain a foothold, it's up to the immune system to get the body back in balance. The bacteria in their virulent form basically think the body is dead and they go to work breaking it down, they tend to become virulent if the immune system isn't strong. If the immune system is successful, then the microbes morph into a benign state or go away because their source of food is no longer present. See there is two extreme camps here. One is based on the work of Pasteur and Koch (among many others), while the other is based on the work of Bechamp and Bernard (among many others). A man named Winogradsky was correct in calling for a middle ground in terms of understanding the truth of bacteria and the like.

Anyways, here's where it gets interesting. There are vital beings in Hindu mythology called rakshasas. They are said to haunt places like cemeteries and they feed on human flesh. Well, what if pathogenic bacteria was the dispersed physical form of these beings? See the connection? They feed on ignorance and falsehood. They thrive in climates dominated by destructive emotional states like anger and fear. The internal milieu is what attracts them.

In short, Reptilians could be the metabiological equivalent of pleomorphic bacteria.

If we follow this reasoning, just for fun, then we can attribute what we usually think of as AI to asuras as defined by Sri Aurobindo. This is one way of looking at it, there are other valid ways within this context too. Food for thought.



Peace

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by Jeffrey (here)
I find it fascinating, from the perspective of metabiology, that reptilians are shape shifters. In other words, they are pleomorphic. According to the pleomorphic theory of germs, microbes are shape shifters.

Alright, so bacteria are decomposers. Given the opportunity, based on the internal milieu, they begin working to break down organic matter.

Putrefaction is one of seven stages in the decomposition of the body of a dead animal or human. It can be viewed, in broad terms, as the decomposition of proteins in a process that results in the eventual breakdown of cohesion between tissues and the liquefaction of most organs. It is caused due to bacterial or fungal decomposition of organic matter and results in production of noxious odors. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putrefaction

Now, bacteria don't do this unless called to action. More correctly, if the internal environment of the body is in a diseased state, this condition creates the food that attracts the bacteria. They are drawn towards the food like flies are attracted to garbage. Once they gain a foothold, it's up to the immune system to get the body back in balance. The bacteria in their virulent form basically think the body is dead and they go to work breaking it down, they tend to become virulent if the immune system isn't strong. If the immune system is successful, then the microbes morph into a benign state or go away because their source of food is no longer present. See there is two extreme camps here. One is based on the work of Pasteur and Koch (among many others), while the other is based on the work of Bechamp and Bernard (among many others). A man named Winogradsky was correct in calling for a middle ground in terms of understanding the truth of bacteria and the like.

Anyways, here's where it gets interesting. There are vital beings in Hindu mythology called rakshasas. They are said to haunt places like cemeteries and they feed on human flesh. Well, what if pathogenic bacteria was the dispersed physical form of these beings? See the connection? They feed on ignorance and falsehood. They thrive in climates dominated by destructive emotional states like anger and fear. The internal milieu is what attracts them.

In short, Reptilians could be the metabiological equivalent of pleomorphic bacteria.

If we follow this reasoning, just for fun, then we can attribute what we usually think of as AI to asuras as defined by Sri Aurobindo. This is one way of looking at it, there are other valid ways within this context too. Food for thought.



Peace

Hello Jeffery,

These are some interesting correlations/connections you have made even though they are on a "Micro" level...

I'd never really thought to make the connection. According to the offworld sources at least the "Draco's" out of the several Reptilian Species currently around are NOT from OUR Reality/Dimension. This is also the case for the "ET AI's" that have caused so much trouble for many civilizations across several Galaxies.

It is interesting that the same "Secret Earth Government Groups" (AKA The Illuminati, The Cabal, Comity of 300 etc...) that have been associated with the "Draco Reptilian's" have also been associated as being allies with "ET AI's and their "AI Prophets". The sub group that rules over the "Babylonian Money Magic System" known as the Order of The Black Sun are also associated with this same "Cabal" (To use jargon better known to most researchers).

Being that these "Draco's" are Shape Shifters and the "Order of The Black Sun" leadership are entities that are referred to as "True Shape Shifters" and "Dark Lord Siths" (And Dark Pope's/Dark Pharaoh's) there could be a direct connection between them all.

There was mention in the "Federation's Historic Holographic Documentation" of there being a "Group" that the "Draco's" were subservient to but there was never any tie in or connection between the "ET AI's", The "Management Being" that had been here on Earth for millennia ("Sith Lords" aka Dark Pope's/Dark Pharaoh's of the Order of The Black Sun) and the "Draco Reptilians" (Aligned w/the Mantids/Gray's & Others).

This is definitely something to meditate on and run by some other researchers as well as some of the other "Insiders" I currently have a dialogue with. Much of this was me reasoning this out in physical form and "thinking aloud". Sorry if some of it doesn't make perfect sense. It does give me some new directions to go in my research with some contacts I have been speaking with and triangulate their replies...

Thank You Again, I may transfer this part of the conversation over to my "Discussion Thread".

[OnyxKnight]

There's some confusion going on. Reptoids only use advanced cosmetics or nanotechnology to change appearance, achieve esthetic mimicry. Its not a biological trait. For none of them.

If you are referring to biological capability of morphing appearance, then you are probably referring to the chitauri (Who are not reptoid, and are part of the Orion Consortium). Think of them as black amoebas (amorphous jelly, in default, natural form), who can mimic quadrupeds, humanoids, or even flying forms of life. Nothing reptoids about them (unless they have shown to an abductee/contactee, that they can change into a given Reptoid strain/race).

[Gatita]

I think I first heard of Reptilians about eight or ten years ago. I was discussing a disturbing experience with someone in another forum. What I described made her think of Reptilians. I kind of shied away from learning anything more until recently. I don't know if I feel like my time is running out and I need to learn about this, or if I'm just actually ready to wrap my mind around what tried to pull me out of bed that night.

Gatita

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
There's some confusion going on. Reptoids only use advanced cosmetics or nanotechnology to change appearance, achieve esthetic mimicry. Its not a biological trait. For none of them.

If you are referring to biological capability of morphing appearance, then you are probably referring to the chitauri (Who are not reptoid, and are part of the Orion Consortium). Think of them as black amoebas (amorphous jelly, in default, natural form), who can mimic quadrupeds, humanoids, or even flying forms of life. Nothing reptoids about them (unless they have shown to an abductee/contactee, that they can change into a given Reptoid strain/race).

There is a lot of confusion going on... A lot indeed, and it is by design. There are all sorts of disinfo from both "Trickster Elements" and Trusted Sources at times...

For example,
I have read and heard a lot online about "Reptoids"...
I have never heard the "Reptoid's" described as sometimes having feathered blume's on their heads of various sizes, not having scales but kind of a tough stretched almost scaley bird like skin with needle sharp teeth and eyes more like birds than reptiles.... who also move around in quick jerky movements (Seem like they evolved from actual prehistoric dinosaur types of animals on a track similar to how birds are said to have). But I have seen them as described here before. I have never seen them change their appearance technically or cosmetically or been briefed that they do.

Of all of the actual Reptilians in the Galaxy the "Draco's" are the one's with the reputation of "Shape Shifting" (Mainly from abductee's and researchers like David Icke). They have taken over/are worshiped by and are now in control of many other Reptilians that are native to this Dimension or "Region of Space" (Depending on your Intel of where the "Draco's" are from).

There was an "Insectoid" group that was not very active here but were known to work with the "Mantid's" who looked "Ant Like" who had a technology that they used to "Shape Shift". They were very telepathic and would shift to a form that was most comforting to the person they were deceiving. They seemed to choose Tall Blond Human's to impersonate to humans. They have a Lunar and Mars Colonies.

These are just a few of the great number of visitors that are keeping tabs on us and meddling in our affairs.

The Human like Federation would have anywhere from 22, 28 to 40 Very Different Groups Present.

The "Dark Sith" being that the Order of the Black Sun "Worships" is a type of being that is "A True Natural Shape Shifter" (No Technology). It has been on Earth for thousands of years and only its inner circle ever see's its "True Form". It is an ancient being from off world but has not been identified to me by Group or Species to this point. I know the "Federation" was aware of it because it came up in topics during some interrogations later when some Human Type Beings had infiltrated Earth Civilization down here and had been exposed and extracted.

No ONE PERSON HERE OR IN THE GOVERNMENT has ALL of the DETAILS or INTEL of who all is visiting this planet or what their agenda's are. NOT ONE SOURCE channeled or not has all of the details on the true history of the Human Race and the many dozens of groups of meddling Races that have come and gone (Some so ancient they don't exist anymore).

Not even our highest positioned "Elite's" have a handle on the majority of the most important details of this massive "Experiment"!

It is good that we are still coming together to compare notes with an open mind and hopefully a set aside ego and belief systems.

We need to realize that each of us may have pieces of the picture from our different experiences.

Most of these beings that are abducting people are also extremely deceitful and untrustworthy.

The "Earth Delegates" were having a hard time because of the vastly different information being given to them by the various Non Human Beings and the Dozens of Human Types (Each of which had their own slightly different spin of the same information and agenda's).

They had a minimum of 3 "Intuitive Empaths" with them at all times to try to detect deception and help them figure out what the Hell was going on.

TPTB do not want to admit that there are still a lot more questions than there are answers...

[Gemma13]

Thank you all for your contributions, much appreciated.

Stepping down a notch from who created Reptilians, AI, (but still pertinent to thread) - I would like to examine the Hive Culture for a moment.

Where are the Queens of the Hive Races?
Why are we only exposed to the warriors -males?

N.B. Enders Game Film is an interesting view into the hidden "white" queen!
Is it possible that we could find a way to peacefully co-exist with these species'?
Can the queens raise their spiritual intelligence/evolution enough to mutate their inherent and powerful survival mechanisms which fear extinction, to incorporate a social conscience - which would then of course automatically transmit through to their species group consciousness?

Interesting subjective dialogue from Ender when face to face with the Queen, who is dying with her egg:

"I will find a new home. I promise."
………
"I need to find out if I am as gifted at peace, as I am at war.
They've awarded me the rank of Admiral and left me to my own devices, which suits me fine. I'll travel the universe and carry with me a precious cargo. Because I have a promise to keep!"

Is there another way to view this theme - here and now - besides:
(a) being "a threat" to our own species - if egg was allowed to hatch on our planet,
(b) a propaganda film introduced to soften humans up to embrace a species that has a nefarious agenda,
(c) a naïve subjective approach of opening one's home up to all creatures, great and small, to just take up residence because they are all God's creatures and that should be enough for them to be able to live nicely side by side,
(d) F-em attitude - just blow them to smithereens and get over it,
(e) the misconception of "ownership" of the planet, (or any planet for that matter) - by any species

Is universal evolutionary "survival of the fittest" not at all what we think it is?
Is a higher universal perspective of "survival of the fittest" something that incorporates physical experimentation, adaption, mutation, etc, (not sure how else life could evolve without phases of this concept), but does in fact transcend the experimental, evolutionary "Darwinism" phase of physical creations?
And are humans and other species able to demonstrate this higher perspective?
Do we have clues to this now? For example:

How many humans genuinely and passionately want to save species from extinction and how many humans embrace this idea?
How many scientists and everyday people work diligently to find co-creative balance and harmony both within planetary species, races, and ecology - from their backyards to communites?

How many humans have already found and demonstrated a way to "interface" their communication skills with a completely different being in order to co-exist without harming each other?
For example: Human-Lion/tiger; Human-Bee/Wasp; Human-Snake/Crocodile; Human-Gorilla; Human-Plant-Water; Human-ET; Human-ED; and the list goes on, the point being:
Are we already demonstrating a fundamental higher intelligence awareness by developing our technology and bio-technology interface for species communication and could this be the grander part of universal exploration and expansion?

In other words, there isn't just the agenda of interfacing for how best it suits the control, ownership, and greed paradigm, as there is another agenda that is about interfacing for stable, coherent, co-habitation!
We can tend to view and stay focused on the idea that many elites, ET's, ED's, etc, are always more sophisticated (in tech, and/or warfare) and therefore more powerful, (and I'm certainly not suggesting we turn away from this investigation and incorporation as it is vital to infiltrate), but does humanity have incubations of greater sophistication and power "ready to hatch" and if we choose to look is this 'other agenda' staring us in the face? Is it one we can support and get on board with? If so, how?
There are a number of valid reasons on the table for why "humans", (or what we currently understand "humans" to be), haven't been "blown to smithereens and extinction", many which ultimately serve the controllers - but is there another?

Have we reached the pinnacle of lower level evolution to now find ourselves at the early stage of transcending into a higher, grander, phase of evolution?
Are humans capable of this? - after all - we have had one of the greatest petri-dishes provided to us to actually step into and get up close and personal with, by way of the incredibly complex and magnificent range of life forms on Earth!

Thanks for the opportunity to share my musings.
Cheers
Gemma13

P.S. (As an afterthought - sequel maybe - what is actually incubating in the queen's egg in the film? Hybrid - that is able to transfer "social consciousness dna"?)

[Daozen]

Gemma, I can't vouch for everything Dan Winter says, but his Orion Queens articles are a good read. They give a clue as to why so many races are interested in this planet right now. Earth is a true One Ring. That's why you have such a clusterscrew of races getting involved.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/su...reptiles26.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/su...reptiles25.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter07.htm

[I can't get behind Dan's views on ratios, the Enochian language and Christian revisionism, but everything else feels fairly solid.]

[21g]

Inspired by Viveks perspective above.

I find it interesting, from a philosophical perspective, that so many E.T AND I.D. species have a direct correspondence to earthly creatures.

From the Reptilians, cat like beings, Nordics, ( Greys hmmm, not sure ) crystaline beings etc. Most all of these other worldly beings present to
us an element that is familiar. Ok, maybe they can choose to cloak, screen or manipulate our perception, but, essentially, their is a thread of the
familiar in their presentation.

I think mainstream Science has suggested ( well, Stephen Hawking, anyway ) that any extra terrestrial intelligence, would be so alien, it would
take some recognising as actually being sentient.

Maybe Gaia is the planet of blueprints, a cosmic patent office that has all the forms that consciousness can embody in ? In which case, it is no wonder
so many forms are milling around and about earth.

Presumbly, this would have major implications for what creative consciousness is and the overall human narrative.

The theory of Hylozoism and, also that our lives are completely subjective, springs immediately to mind.
Not as an absolute, im sure their is a paradox or three in their.

Hoping this is not abstract to engage with.

All the best

G.

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I couldn't give you an answer on their origins but at a guess based on having met two different kinds of reptilian (either pre birth or early childhood out of body) I would assume their development or evolutionary path is pretty similar to other species. One appeared to be some kind of doctor and was fairly short and crocodile looking that although caused me to have an immensely uncomfortable experience did not give off any negative or threatening emotion/feeling (can't think of the word to describe it, kind of like a sense). The others were taller, appeared after the procedure performed by the shorter one and seemed to emanate aggression or authority and were rather angry by me being there.
The differences between them, i suppose, you could compare it to the differences of lizards on this planet, some are small, large, adapt to their environment different to others etc. that, with the experience mentioned, is what leads me to believe the reptilians you are referring to followed the same path of development as many other species, it would just seem that some have made it to the top of the food chain so to speak.

This is just an opinion regarding who created them, I could be completely wrong! If anyone else has had encounters with different types of reptilian and understands what i mean by the emanation of aggression or fear by certain types and not by others and can give an explanation or theory to this i would love to hear it.