How Come Gravity Doesn't Give A Hoot About Weight?

[Operator]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Operator (here)
I think that the answer on dependency on mass was already given by our brilliant fellow member araucaria in post #7.

It is of course constant and independent because it is caused by the mass of the earth ...
The whole experiment is a result of 2 opposite forces. But the gravity caused by feathers and bowling ball can be neglected
compared to that of earth.

Coming to understand this better ... would 2 bowling balls floating parallel in vacuum space eventually move
to each other? We would probably never notice because the acceleration is so tiny that it takes forever.

:blush:
Einstein said the curvature of space around a planet or star was like a ball stretching a rubber sheet – which is not much help until we know what makes rubber behave differently from steel. Tom van Flandern’s explanation, based on Laplace, seems the best to me: tiny gravitons (possibly the stuff of the aether) usually pass through matter but are occasionally deviated. The mass of an object is proportional to its propensity to deviate gravitons – more particles to get in the way. Hence when two objects come together, they have so to speak a windward side and a lee side between them where slightly fewer gravitons can penetrate. In other words, gravity would seem to be a large-scale Casimir effect.

If we see the power of attraction as the ability to reduce the space between oneself and another, we see how this would also work in human terms as love. It is not by chance that the French word for a magnet is aimant, from the verb aimer, to love. This would be a dual give-and-take process of radiating out while protectively shielding and drawing in.

Although the following video is based on/ related to magnetism I think it explains something similar to what you posted ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U

And, although not clear to me how, magnetism seems to be a 'cousin' of gravity ...

[wnlight]

An explanation why mass seems to be ignored.

Newton derived a law of gravitation based upon observed facts (empirical science), not upon theoretical physics. There are two inherent consequences of empirical science. One that the derived equations might not exactly fit the observations and may even require some small adjustment. And second, there might not be any explanation as to why the observed behaviour takes place. Newton referred to both of these inherent (but minor) difficulties. Einstein's theories are such an adjustment for events where a large mass, such as a star, is very close by such as in the case of the planet Mercury. Einstein's theories also offer an explanation for the supposed force acting at a distance. Note that the force is dependant on the mass of the smaller object, among other things. So the force on the bowling ball IS greater than the force on the feathers. But more force is required to move the ball, so the mass is canceled out in the equation of motion.

Here is Newton's equation.

Every point mass attracts every single other point mass by a force pointing along the line intersecting both points. The force is proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them:



where:
F is the force between the masses,
G is the gravitational constant,
m1 is the first mass,
m2 is the second mass, and
r is the distance between the centers of the masses.

Assuming SI units, F is measured in newtons (N), m1 and m2 in kilograms (kg), r in meters (m),
and the constant G is approximately equal to 6.674×10−11 N m2 kg−2.

(I hope the formula image is visible. I am not practiced in inserting images to this forum.)

[Hervé]

The other interesting empirical testing is that Newton's formula to determine the barycenter between celestial objects is verified in space between Earth and Moon where gravity from both objects is cancelled out

Edit:

To illustrate the mutual "attraction" or "affinity" as the alchemists would call it:

If an object with comparable mass to that of the Earth were to fall towards it, then the corresponding acceleration of the Earth really would be observable

[araucaria]

Posted by Hervé (here)
The other interesting empirical testing is that Newton's formula to determine the barycenter between celestial objects is verified in space between Earth and Moon where gravity from both objects is cancelled out

And this is the figure for which I gather Werner von Braun gave Time magazine an unorthodox value, which reportedly led to his downfall at NASA. That’s the story anyway: where did I get it? I'm not sure. Jay Weidner?

[Carmody]

There is only one real fundamental in this dimensional space, this reflective resonant coupled bubble, we call a universe, or point of projected awareness.

That fundamental is differential.

The rest..... springs from that point.

The act of differential is created via, minimally, a pair of 2d fields in complex interaction. Those are your primary starting points that erect differential. Differential... or as we call it - quantum.

[Carmody]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Hervé (here)
The other interesting empirical testing is that Newton's formula to determine the barycenter between celestial objects is verified in space between Earth and Moon where gravity from both objects is cancelled out

And this is the figure for which I gather Werner von Braun gave Time magazine an unorthodox value, which reportedly led to his downfall at NASA. That’s the story anyway: where did I get it? I'm not sure. Jay Weidner?

The value, IIRC, was given to time (or 'Life') magazine or some other similar publishing outfit, in an article authored by Von Braun. The article was, IIRC, a story of what was to happen in the given space race moonshot.

From that moment forward, Von Braun was removed from public view and communications. This was mentioned, in detail (specifics), in more than one of Joseph Farrell's books.

[Hervé]

Why the hell is this thing NOT falling?

Motion... hmmm...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zbdrqpXb-fY

[Sirius White]

There is much more to Gravity than depicted by Newton and Einstein.

The Black Ops boys know this very well, as do Los Alamos and countless other private labs around the world.

The notion of curved space-time is ridiculous, according to Tesla. It's all about the Aether. Where electromagnetism, the scalar (vacuum/aether), light, time and gravity meet. Yes, there is a movement towards the center of objects (push not just pull!) as there is movement away from the center (what some of you call "anti gravity")

What Einsteins science did is help us understand the illusion of how light travels and the observational gravity we all know and love. He helped us so that when we flung solid objects around earth or space, we could use the natural gravity to sling and fling things around, having to do complex calculations and use relatively primitive yet brilliant (in other words, we are doing science with one hand tied behind our back) methods to get around these so called "limits."

Tesla's science on the other hand, allowed you to bend space, time, and gravity, literally. So with his concepts, had they been developed in public and not in secret, you would not have to worry about flinging things on linear or curved paths around planets and overcomplicated formulas to get it to work, you'd have the ability to manipulate the "Aetheric" pressure in whatever direction you want, generating essentially your own (electro)gravity. Information could also be communicated much faster because like the earth, systems out in space also have resonant scalar electromagnetic systems albeit with different rhythms and frequencies.

Think about it in this simple way, a "di-electric" object sitting still in space time has equal Aether pressure from all sides, isotropic. But then there are molecules which align in a direction in which magnetism can flow, in this case, the Aether pressure is not equal on all sides but moving in a definite direction (anisotropic flow). It is the definite, direction of Aether that creates what mainstream science calls "magnetism." Torsion and gyroscopic motion also creates effects within the Aether (some, which is "anti gravitic") because actually all motion (hence time) is moving in torsion or helical like ways, and like the Fibonacci, has geometric ratios which determines its frequency. Spinning mediums help generate what Russians call torsion. Inward spin is what Dan Winter calls implosion, like sonoluminesence it causes a unique kind of fusion, which also taps into the vacuum- and perhaps also plays major role in the creation of gravity and electromagnetism in bodies such as the sun. There is an inward, aetheric movement towards the center which causes the attraction of the necessary elements and the fusion, and then "outward" energy the sun generates. The simultaneous inward and outward could be considered something similar to a black hole/white hole pair (for space there is also counter-space), so Naseem wasn't too far off with the sun being a gate theory. The kicker: so is each and every one of your cells! There is no actual proof that the formation of the sun is the way it is described in mainstream science. Superconductivity is much more than we think in mainstream science, and "freezing" is not the only way.

Movement, spin, oscillation, angular momentum, torsion are what create the illusion of what we call time. It also creates the illusion of being at rest, like us sitting in a bedroom that appears still but is actually moving incredibly fast both at the macro and micro scale. The differences in "space-time ratios" create difference experiences of energy and time, although relativity and special relativity do a good job at explaining time dilation from an observational standpoint, it doesn't tell you what it actually is or what the Mover actually is.

The Aether is pushing our center towards the center of the earth, what we call gravity. One can break symmetry of space-time..and generate electrogravitic effects on cellular tissues and regimes (the energetic substratum, or waveform of DNA). The question is, how do we, as superconductive beings (yes, this is possible through the liquid crystalline matrix we call the cells when quantum coherent and aligned and a fierce flux between the virtual particle/vacuum, our cells generating torsion via the revolving protoplasm of cells and photon emission we produce) reverse the pressure, so that we are not being pushed towards the center of earth, but away (aka levitation). Obviously, even a minimal effect (anti gravitic, or backward time, aka negative entropy) would have impact on our aging...there is a reason why proficient meditators seem to age slower and retain vibrancy in their cells, bones, and disposition in general even in old age. First its not wasting energy, no stress, less resistance more flow. Second its the generated effect of Priore, or phase conjugation in which we create a backward flowing time effect (negative entropic), and finally they are constantly taking energy from the vacuum and converting it to increase bio electrical capacitance via broken space-time symmetry. As with superconductors, you want to create the least amount of resistance so the bioelectricity can flow perfectly. There is sound involved too but that is for another time.

In the case of a body, bodily and mental stress is the resistance. True relaxation, mental quietude, and flow, as the Daoists teach is The Way. Maximum efficiency minimum resistance. Going inward also creates a simultaneous outward movement in the Aether- which is where you can extend beyond the limits of your body (astral projection, remote viewing etc). Isn't it interesting, that the daoists in their martial arts (tai chi, bagua, etc) depicted "chi" as moving in helical and spiral ways throughout the body? But that it can only be achieved through being able to move (first in perfect spirals) very little to no muscle tension or bone locking.

[ulli]

Posted by kritter (here)
At the conclusion of the first video, the statement is made that Einstein thought the feathers and ball are not falling, they are actually standing still. The background is what gives us the illusion of them falling. Can anyone expound on this?

Earth is ascending while they are standing still ...oops...

[Operator]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by kritter (here)
At the conclusion of the first video, the statement is made that Einstein thought the feathers and ball are not falling, they are actually standing still. The background is what gives us the illusion of them falling. Can anyone expound on this?

Earth is ascending while they are standing still ...oops...

Nice try ... but how come it is also working 180 degrees in the other direction at the other site of earth ?

[ulli]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by kritter (here)
At the conclusion of the first video, the statement is made that Einstein thought the feathers and ball are not falling, they are actually standing still. The background is what gives us the illusion of them falling. Can anyone expound on this?

Earth is ascending while they are standing still ...oops...

Nice try ... but how come it is also working 180 degrees in the other direction at the other site of earth ?

Ok then. Forget ascension.
Maybe it's the GMOs. Earth is putting on weight all over.

Seriously though...since mainstream science doesn't even consider astrology, except for the odd scientist who accidentally discovers that it is a true and valid field of study, I would consider all the answers based on MSScience as speculation.
To get real answers they would need to compare results under a variety of conditions, such as what happens during planetary alignments, or right angles between a Uranus Moon conjunction and a Pluto Mars conjunction.
Also it would be interesting to see what the minds of powerful psychics could do were they to direct their mental energies at the falling objects.
I just had another reminder re magnets...when I was a kid our fascination about magnetism was huge and everyone I knew owned magnets and did experiments with metal filings. So then what happened? Magnets of bright colored plastic alphabet letters is all the future had in store? Over twenty years ago before I knew about UFO cover-ups I noticed that there was a strange silence about magnets, and began to wonder. Then one day I intuited that anti-gravity had to have something to do with it.

[KiwiElf]

During an interesting conversation on the subject, an electrical engineering friend once asked me rhetorically, [about gravity], are we pulled onto the Earth, as mainstream science teaches us, or are we pushed (by something else, ie light came into his theory at that point), or perhaps both? I guess we're still finding out the answer.

[Hervé]

The sensation of stepping onto the ground of a heavy "gravity" planet like Earth coming out of a nil gravity environment is quite similar to stepping into a high speed elevator going up... that "sinking into the floor" feeling...

[Hervé]

As for "gravity," "motion" and the "stars":

As the following graphs show, several major and minor fluctuations in sidereal time have occurred over certain periods throughout the years 1989 to 2000. For instance, a significant deviation from mean sidereal time occurred in the spring of 1989, when Sirius A, Sirius B and the sun were in direct conjunction and earth was still in the perihelion section of its orbit (see also diagram Solar system - Sirius system). Interesting is the fact that also a major time deviation from the negative into the positive range occurred during this conjunction at the end of February 1989. Furthermore, seemingly 'regular' fluctuations appear around March of each year. Also, at the end of 1989 towards the beginning of 1990, as earth went through its perihelion, significant positive deviations were observed. In the following years, around the same period, only positive deviations occurred, although diminishing in magnitude.

INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA:
Significant time deviations in earth's period of rotation, as measured with respect to Sirius have occurred over certain months (e.g. in the spring of 1989, when Sirius A, Sirius B and the sun were in direct conjunction). Some minor, but nevertheless distinct deviations appear at regular yearly intervals (usually around March). Since these deviations occur annually, the gravitational influence of the moon or perturbations caused by other planets in the solar system can be excluded. Since such deviations from mean sidereal time CANNOT be caused by an increase or decrease in the speed of earth's rotation, I suspect a combined 'gravitational' effect of the sun and the Sirius system on the earth's axis of rotation. In my article "Some more thoughts on gravitation" I have tried to describe how the Sirius system might be responsible for a 'curvature in space' that can reach as far as to our solar system. As we know, the revolution of Sirius B and Sirius A around their common center of gravity over a period of about 49 years proceeds in an almost vertical plane relative to the planetary plane of our solar system. This motion could cause a periodic fluctuation in the curvature of space, similar to an ocean where a calm wind would create long-stretched waves. If a ship were to sail on such waves, its mast will gently swing back and forth. Likewise, during the earth's orbit around the sun the axis of the earth would 'oscillate' due to these periodic fluctuations of the space-curvature between sun and Sirius. Although the speed of earth's rotation remains unchanged (!), a positive or negative time-deviation from mean sidereal time can be measured, depending on the magnitude and direction of the oscillation of the axis, the sidereal point of reference and the latitude on earth from which the measurements are taken. As a matter of fact, the International Earth Rotation Service observes significant daily variations in earth's sidereal rotation period.
http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/s...Research.shtml

[Operator]

Posted by Hervé (here)
The sensation of stepping onto the ground of a heavy "gravity" planet like Earth coming out of a nil gravity environment is quite similar to stepping into a high speed elevator going up... that "sinking into the floor" feeling...

Yep, made a similar statement in post #6.
The statement was actually made by Wubbo Ockels, a now deceased Dutch astronaut. The video in post #6
is also very interesting because he relates it to time ... and isn't motion very dependent on time?

[Hervé]

Posted by Operator (here)
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The video in post #6 is also very interesting because he relates it to time ... and isn't motion very dependent on time?

Indeed, since it's motion which defines time... no motion, no time to be measured!

No continuity either and therefore no start, no end... eternal now... the perfect static!

[Observer1964]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by Hervé (here)
The sensation of stepping onto the ground of a heavy "gravity" planet like Earth coming out of a nil gravity environment is quite similar to stepping into a high speed elevator going up... that "sinking into the floor" feeling...

Yep, made a similar statement in post #6.
The statement was actually made by Wubbo Ockels, a now deceased Dutch astronaut. The video in post #6
is also very interesting because he relates it to time ... and isn't motion very dependent on time?

As I remeber it he said that gravity equals acceleration, but at the surface we dont move, so in the formula for acceleration/gravity A (or G)is measured in distance/time x time (m/s2), but distance = 0 so (time x time) is infinate and time is the square root of infinity.

[Hervé]

The “Potsdam Gravity Potato” Shows Variations in Earth’s Gravity

by Matt Williams on November 29, 2014

The Earth’s gravitational model (aka the “Potsdam Potato”) is based on data from the LAGEOS, GRACE, and GOCE satellites and surface data. Credit: GFZ
Hi-res. picture: https://media.gfz-potsdam.de/gfz/wv/...Geoid+2011.jpg

People tend to think of gravity here on Earth as a uniform and consistent thing. Stand anywhere on the globe, at any time of year, and you’ll feel the same downward pull of a single G. But in fact, Earth’s gravitational field is subject to variations that occur over time. This is due to a combination of factors, such as the uneven distributions of mass in the oceans, continents, and deep interior, as well as climate-related variables like the water balance of continents, and the melting or growing of glaciers.

And now, for the first time ever, these variations have been captured in the image known as the “Potsdam Gravity Potato” – a visualization of the Earth’s gravity field model produced by the German Research Center for Geophysics’ (GFZ) Helmholtz’s Center in Potsdam, Germany.

And as you can see from the image above, it bears a striking resemblance to a potato. But what is more striking is the fact that through these models, the Earth’s gravitational field is depicted not as a solid body, but as a dynamic surface that varies over time.This new gravity field model (which is designated EIGEN-6C) was made using measurements obtained from the LAGEOS, GRACE, and GOCE satellites, as well as ground-based gravity measurements and data from the satellite altimetry.

The 2005 model, which was based on data from the CHAMP and GRACE satellites and surface data, was less refined than the latest one. Credit: GFZ

Compared to the previous model obtained in 2005 (shown above), EIGEN-6C has a fourfold increase in spatial resolution.

“Of particular importance is the inclusion of measurements from the satellite GOCE, from which the GFZ did its own calculation of the gravitational field,” says Dr. Christoph Foerste who directs the gravity field work group at GFZ along with Dr. Frank Flechtner.

The ESA mission GOCE (Gravity Field and Steady-State Ocean Circulation Explorer) was launched in mid-March 2009 and has since been measuring the Earth’s gravitational field using satellite gradiometry – the study and measurement of variations in the acceleration due to gravity.

“This allows the measurement of gravity in inaccessible regions with unprecedented accuracy, for example in Central Africa and the Himalayas,” said Dr. Flechtner. In addition, the GOCE satellites offers advantages when it comes to measuring the oceans.

Within the many open spaces that lie under the sea, the Earth’s gravity field shows variations. GOCE is able to better map these, as well as deviations in the ocean’s surface – a factor known as “dynamic ocean topography” – which is a result of Earth’s gravity affecting the ocean’s surface equilibrium.

Twin-satellites GRACE with the earth’s gravity field (vertically enhanced) calculated from CHAMP data. Credit: GFZ

Long-term measurement data from the GFZ’s twin-satellite mission GRACE (Gravity Recovery And Climate Experiment) were also included in the model. By monitoring climate-based variables like the melting of large glaciers in the polar regions and the amount of seasonal water stored in large river systems, GRACE was able to determine the influence of large-scale temporal changes on the gravitational field.

Given the temporal nature of climate-related processes – not to mention the role played by Climate Change – ongoing missions are needed to see how they effect our planet long-term. Especially since the GRACE mission is scheduled to end in 2015.
In total, some 800 million observations went into the computation of the final model which is composed of more than 75,000 parameters representing the global gravitational field. The GOCE satellite alone made 27,000 orbits during its period of service (between March 2009 and November 2013) in order to collect data on the variations in the Earth’s gravitational field.

The final result achieved centimeter accuracy, and can serve as a global reference for sea levels and heights. Beyond the “gravity community,” the research has also piqued the interest of researchers in aerospace engineering, atmospheric sciences, and space debris.

But above all else, it offers scientists a way of imaging the world that is different from, but still complimentary to, approaches based on light, magnetism, and seismic waves. And it could be used for everything from determining the speed of ocean currents from space, monitoring rising sea levels and melting ice sheets, to uncovering hidden features of continental geology and even peeking at the convection force driving plate tectonics.

Further Reading: GFZ

[Hervé]

Scientists image gravity waves through atmosphere

By Shayne Jacopian for redOrbit.com – @ShayneJacopian May 12, 2015

A model simulation illustrates how gravity waves kicked off by a cyclone east of Australia build as they travel toward space. (Credit: Hanli Liu, NCAR) image: http://www.redorbit.com/media/upload...00-617x416.jpg

Whether it’s a drunk camper diving carelessly into a river, or a mass of air rising over a mountain, the rule is the same: What goes up must come down.

With respect to the latter, the rising and falling of air also generates gravity waves. While such atmospheric changes usually only have a regional impact on the lower atmosphere, these ripples can stretch all across the globe in the upper atmosphere and their impact is far more dramatic.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6SqMCIKV364

For the first time, researchers have found a way to observe what happens when gravity waves rise towards into the upper atmosphere. A team of researchers at the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research led by Senior Scientist Hanli Liu improved upon the Whole Atmosphere Community Climate Model, pushing it to a resolution fine enough to pick up small gravity waves at their source.

Previously able to clearly view only phenomena that were 2,000 kilometers across, they are now able to view gravity waves when they are still relatively small—only 200 kilometers across—and accurately model how this activity appears later in the upper atmosphere.

I sense a disturbance in the force
And since disturbances in the upper atmosphere (usually attributed to solar activity) are what can damage satellites, shut down radio transmissions, skew GPS signals, and in this high-tech day and age basically just ruin your entire day, modeling like this is exactly what we need to understand the Earth’s role in these disturbances.

“When gravity waves propagate to the bottom side of the ionosphere, they can kick off instabilities,” Liu said. “If you want to have a better understanding of space weather—the ionosphere—you need this kind of modeling capability.”
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[Carmody]

The above animation of low atmosphere and high atmosphere differences in gravitational field dominance, does indeed illustrate that high levels of electrical polarization and differential..... is the key aspect of gravity wave manipulation.

As has been said in all the stories and the works of alternative scientific literature, since the beginning of such record. (thousands of years of record)

Space itself, is highly electrically charged, in polarization and levels of differential (thus resonant and responsive, it is organized and fundamentally elastic), which means it is the dominant force with regard to setting the form of time-space, as a carrier of dimensional access in form and function.