Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

[Innocent Warrior]

I'm just writing as a witness and I'm earnestly just trying to understand what's going on. I won't bother listing all my experiences which have left me with no doubt that we have at least been sprayed (last time I witnessed a very low flying plane spraying was around the middle of last year), I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said. With that said, Herve's view fits much better than what I had figured. I think it's both and whatever is going on with our skies is a lot more complicated than I previously thought. Further research ahead for me on this issue (when I have the time) and I'll start with the other threads, thanks to everyone for their input.

[observer]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Therefore, accusing sincere commercial pilots of being agents or shills or whatever with accompanying sarcastic, ridiculing comments is, to me, a demonstration of a severe lack of discernment and/or serious research along with an inability to accept facts for what they are: facts!

Allow me to comment on this point, as it cuts into the crux of the situation.

My personal experience with the chemtrail phenomenon goes all the way back to the late 90s when it used to be a hot topic on the Art Bell, Coast-To-Coast Show. Throughout those many years since, I've worked around and with many pilots in my real world life. I've listened to, and debated these lame alleged "scientific" explanations from more pilots than have ever appeared on this forum.

I've been involved in many of the debates, in many of the threads regarding these alleged atmospheric inversions.

A good many suspected chemtrails are, in fact harmless contrails. No argument here.

But, when an individual is unwilling to look at the thousands of hours of research and documentation that I've seen, and presented, there is simply no other recourse. When someone is wrong and refused to see it - get my drift?

The Eskimos have a tradition where, when one of the tribal members is being unreasonable, the elder of the tribe will take that individual by the lapels of his coat and bang him against the side of the igloo - repeatedly. In that culture, the traditional response is to thank the tribal elder.

After well over fifteen years of dealing with individuals who view this material through a blood-clot, I've realized there is no other way of dealing with it.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Sidney (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Sydney,

It is just a massive misunderstanding about the intentions of others due to blinding blanket emotional reactions that automatically and falsely reason that "if you do not fully agree with every presented detail on the topic under the umbrella of "X" then you MUST be a non-believer of "X" and someone who is against us."

It the exact same phenomenon (problem) that the sheep use to lump any person that believes in any conspiracy into a category of "kook" while completely ignoring everything actually being said.[/QUOTE

Look, there are lots of ways to look at this, but this thread title is smoking gun "proof" of atmospheric sparying, and I was trying to stay in lines of how the conversation here was flowing without it going of into several different directions.

The topic of chemtrails, IMO, is very diverse with regard to the basic question of does it or does it not exise, and then branches off into other directions of motive, intent, the many various (possible) technologies, and the fallout of all of that with regards to the health to the planet and its many inhabitants.

And having to jump from thread to thread to thread IMO is keeping the reader from a smooth thought process.

I have actually suggested more than once, for a subsection of the forum to include a Chemtrail/Geoengineering section, because it seems that a new chemtrail thread pops up every few weeks, or more often than that, that we keep covering the same thing over and over and never finding agreement or solutions.

I think these conversations could be better organized, so that there doesn't need to be all this thread jumping. It IS distracting. Thats all I was saying.

Well, you said more than that but I get it. The proudly touted sarcasm on this thread referring to another thread topic is all obviously directed at me and possibly toward Herve as well. It is silly. It seems that whenever someone, like myself or Herve posts anything for consideration that may imply that something in this thread is not 100% "smoking gun", it is met with mockery and an attitude that I (or we) "just don't know any better because we are "non-believers"" - which both yourself and Observer seem to have taken. Talk about the enemy winning Avalonians implement their own version of "divide and conquer" where the only winners are the people who would rather us not really dig for the truth.

I find it a bit sad that I cannot suggest a possibility a UFO video, without being attacked and mocked, is actually migratory geese; something which if it is the truth, we need to know so when "sheep" who are smart and discerning, might have a chance of not having the stigma that "conspiracy theorists are kooks" be fully reinforced in their minds just because they visited Avalon. I feel similar thoughts about this thread.

Similarly, the posts and the "redirection" and "confusion" that Herve posted here was an attempt to paint a larger view and considerations that would indeed cause someone to step out of the box that this thread is in -- it was met with a harsh questioning of whether these intentions where nothing more than a distraction to this tightly boxed thread.

The "rulers" don't need to worry about divide and conquer - they put the program in our minds and we unconsciously act it out. The real progress is moving the mind away from that program ... but I digress ...

I am sorry that you feel that way. I am not here to argue. Really, my motive for participating in this thread is for the good of humanity. We all are entitled to breath air that is not contaminated with metal and other ****, that doesn't belong in our lungs. Thats is my motive, not to make anyone feel bad.
Big HUG coming your way. Peace

Well you didn't hurt my feelings but I did find it all silly and unnecessary, my 2 cents BTW -- it really was concluded by the OP, most likely geese in the end. And a return hug after the teasing tongue

[Sidney]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Sidney (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Sydney,

It is just a massive misunderstanding about the intentions of others due to blinding blanket emotional reactions that automatically and falsely reason that "if you do not fully agree with every presented detail on the topic under the umbrella of "X" then you MUST be a non-believer of "X" and someone who is against us."

It the exact same phenomenon (problem) that the sheep use to lump any person that believes in any conspiracy into a category of "kook" while completely ignoring everything actually being said.[/QUOTE

Look, there are lots of ways to look at this, but this thread title is smoking gun "proof" of atmospheric sparying, and I was trying to stay in lines of how the conversation here was flowing without it going of into several different directions.

The topic of chemtrails, IMO, is very diverse with regard to the basic question of does it or does it not exise, and then branches off into other directions of motive, intent, the many various (possible) technologies, and the fallout of all of that with regards to the health to the planet and its many inhabitants.

And having to jump from thread to thread to thread IMO is keeping the reader from a smooth thought process.

I have actually suggested more than once, for a subsection of the forum to include a Chemtrail/Geoengineering section, because it seems that a new chemtrail thread pops up every few weeks, or more often than that, that we keep covering the same thing over and over and never finding agreement or solutions.

I think these conversations could be better organized, so that there doesn't need to be all this thread jumping. It IS distracting. Thats all I was saying.

Well, you said more than that but I get it. The proudly touted sarcasm on this thread referring to another thread topic is all obviously directed at me and possibly toward Herve as well. It is silly. It seems that whenever someone, like myself or Herve posts anything for consideration that may imply that something in this thread is not 100% "smoking gun", it is met with mockery and an attitude that I (or we) "just don't know any better because we are "non-believers"" - which both yourself and Observer seem to have taken. Talk about the enemy winning Avalonians implement their own version of "divide and conquer" where the only winners are the people who would rather us not really dig for the truth.

I find it a bit sad that I cannot suggest a possibility a UFO video, without being attacked and mocked, is actually migratory geese; something which if it is the truth, we need to know so when "sheep" who are smart and discerning, might have a chance of not having the stigma that "conspiracy theorists are kooks" be fully reinforced in their minds just because they visited Avalon. I feel similar thoughts about this thread.

Similarly, the posts and the "redirection" and "confusion" that Herve posted here was an attempt to paint a larger view and considerations that would indeed cause someone to step out of the box that this thread is in -- it was met with a harsh questioning of whether these intentions where nothing more than a distraction to this tightly boxed thread.

The "rulers" don't need to worry about divide and conquer - they put the program in our minds and we unconsciously act it out. The real progress is moving the mind away from that program ... but I digress ...

I am sorry that you feel that way. I am not here to argue. Really, my motive for participating in this thread is for the good of humanity. We all are entitled to breath air that is not contaminated with metal and other ****, that doesn't belong in our lungs. Thats is my motive, not to make anyone feel bad.
Big HUG coming your way. Peace

Well you didn't hurt my feelings but I did find it all silly and unnecessary, my 2 cents BTW -- it really was concluded by the OP, most likely geese in the end. And a return hug after the teasing tongue

For what its worth, there have many many ufo videos posted on this forum that I have concluded were NOT alien craft, or even remotely close. So, it is true that sometimes things that go bump in the night, is only the cat.

And sometimes when airplanes spew things other than VAPOR, we need to find out what it is and why.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Sidney (here)

And sometimes when airplanes spew things other than VAPOR, we need to find out what it is and why.

I don't disagree, never have, nor indicated to have had; and Herve pointing to "bigger pictures" and other rationales also agree with that sentiment. Let us all work to not lose track of the larger goal, myself included.

[Sidney]

Night Spraying Pictures

[sheme]

http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pd...AerosolGeo.pdf

Ask the wrong question and you get denial -the wording of your enquiries must not use the chem trail words. As usual they tell us what they have been doing after they have done it- by proposing it as a future possibility.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

There are companies today in Russia that, for 6k dollars, will contractually assure couples no rain on their wedding day. Read an article about it recently in a major media outlet i think, im at work sneakily lurking the forums so i wont likely have time to search for the link but maybe one of you bright minds can try for us. i found it very interesting

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
There are companies today in Russia that, for 6k dollars, will contractually assure couples no rain on their wedding day. Read an article about it recently in a major media outlet i think, im at work sneakily lurking the forums so i wont likely have time to search for the link but maybe one of you bright minds can try for us. i found it very interesting

I did a quick search and found nothing, but I have thought the exact same concerning weather in our city for certain events. My city is basically built around the oil and gas industry, and those folks certainly have the $$ to pay for some spraying. These events I refer to are often sponsored by big oil. When the forecast seems set for something then it suddenly does the opposite, right at the time of one of these events, it does make you wonder.

[heyokah]

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
There are companies today in Russia that, for 6k dollars, will contractually assure couples no rain on their wedding day. Read an article about it recently in a major media outlet i think, im at work sneakily lurking the forums so i wont likely have time to search for the link but maybe one of you bright minds can try for us. i found it very interesting

Out of Russia: For a price, even weather is up for sale

MOSCOW - I saw God the other day. He has white hair, two silver teeth and grey-blue eyes. He celebrates his 57th birthday on Tuesday.
****Friday 09 October 1992

Lev Pokhmelnykh - for that is God's name when it comes to deciding whether it rains or shines - is a scientist by profession. He used to work for the state meteorological bureau; before that he studied physics. Today, he has his own company, Elate Intelligent Technologies (EIT), small in size but hugely ambitious. Its product: 'weather made to order'.

Dr Pokhmelnykh explains: he can - for a fee - make the heavens smile on your wedding day or drench the garden party of an enemy; halt a gale or whip up wind to puff away pollution from Los Angeles. No problem is too big for the doctor. His brochure lists a few of them: hurricanes, tornadoes, typhoons, rain, floods, hail, fog, snowfall, sandstorms, urban smog, acid rain, storms.

For dollars 6m ( pounds 3.5m) plus 60m roubles ( pounds 106,000) - 'we have a few expenses in Russia' - he promises a hurricane-free Florida. Smaller jobs - weddings, birthdays and sports events - cost less. Moscow's Luzhniki Stadium, for example, can, if it ever pays the necessary 5 million roubles, ensure that rain never stops play. And this is just the beginning. 'I can do a lot more. This is just a small part of my work.'

Unfortunately for Dr Pokhmelnykh - and, he quickly points out, for the people of Florida who could have been spared Andrew's fury if the US embassy in Moscow had listened - only a handful of people take him seriously. He is not helped by the fact that his name, to Russian ears, sounds a lot like 'Dr Hangover'.

'I've been working 16 hours a day for 25 years and don't feel like God at all. It is very hard work. We just have to keep going. The potential of my work is immense.'

The source of this potential is a small plot of land at Bukovo airport outside Moscow. On it stand a row of 25-foot metal posts strung with wire. A shed nearby contains more wire and computers. What they do, precisely, is a secret - patent applications are kept in a safe next to Dr Pokhmelykh's desk. It has something to do with electrical charges reacting with ions in the air.

Lev Pokhmelnykh - for that is God's name when it comes to deciding whether it rains or shines - is a scientist by profession. He used to work for the state meteorological bureau; before that he studied physics. Today, he has his own company, Elate Intelligent Technologies (EIT), small in size but hugely ambitious. Its product: 'weather made to order'.

Dr Pokhmelnykh explains: he can - for a fee - make the heavens smile on your wedding day or drench the garden party of an enemy; halt a gale or whip up wind to puff away pollution from Los Angeles. No problem is too big for the doctor. His brochure lists a few of them: hurricanes, tornadoes, typhoons, rain, floods, hail, fog, snowfall, sandstorms, urban smog, acid rain, storms.

For dollars 6m ( pounds 3.5m) plus 60m roubles ( pounds 106,000) - 'we have a few expenses in Russia' - he promises a hurricane-free Florida. Smaller jobs - weddings, birthdays and sports events - cost less. Moscow's Luzhniki Stadium, for example, can, if it ever pays the necessary 5 million roubles, ensure that rain never stops play. And this is just the beginning. 'I can do a lot more. This is just a small part of my work.'

Unfortunately for Dr Pokhmelnykh - and, he quickly points out, for the people of Florida who could have been spared Andrew's fury if the US embassy in Moscow had listened - only a handful of people take him seriously. He is not helped by the fact that his name, to Russian ears, sounds a lot like 'Dr Hangover'.

'I've been working 16 hours a day for 25 years and don't feel like God at all. It is very hard work. We just have to keep going. The potential of my work is immense.'

The source of this potential is a small plot of land at Bukovo airport outside Moscow. On it stand a row of 25-foot metal posts strung with wire. A shed nearby contains more wire and computers. What they do, precisely, is a secret - patent applications are kept in a safe next to Dr Pokhmelykh's desk. It has something to do with electrical charges reacting with ions in the air.

Read more : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-1556300.html

[Sidney]

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

http://www.aircrap.org/

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/01/...ail-operation/

third link also has many links listed on his page

[Chip]

Posted by Buck (here)
Chipsam - You post the first response to a thread entitled "Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying", introducing yourself as an experienced pilot for 20+ years, having an ongoing interest in the issue of chemtrails and related phenomenon, claiming to just be interested in getting to the bottom of things.

I also happen to have an aviation background. You did not mention your total hours, or the specific type of rating you hold, nor what type of aircraft you have flown over the 20 years of your aviation career. It is not typical for anyone with former military training (a great majority of the pilots working in civil aviation in the US come from the military) or for that matter anyone working in avaition for 20+ years, such as yourself, to not mention these facts as a way of establishing your credibility and as a way of helping us to orient to your particular area of expertise or experience. If you are a guy who has flown small business jets for most of your career (which if that is what you claim it is even more curious as corporate pilots are almost always hired on as high time ex military or commercial pilots with a lot of experience- you do not let your Company CEO climb into the company's G7 with some greenhorn at the controls)

But what is even MORE peculiar that is that your Avatar has you listed as based on Palmdale. You describe yourself as having an interest in the topic of Chemtrails for many years. You come on this thread, in this forum, to tell us that you, an experienced pilot (who has even watched the vapor trails from your own jet on rear facing cameras during flight for gosh sakes), have yet to see ANYTHING that would support the notion that our government, or some agencies of our government, or perhaps as some have suggested very large and powerful corporate interests in partnership with the government, might be involved in some kind of atmospheric shenanigans.

I have never posted an attachment to a thread on Avalon, so forgive me if this doesn't quite work out as I hope, but- if I am successful, you should see two attachments posted below. I do not have any personal confusion about what I am seeing in the skies, and have not for many years. My difficulty is more about accepting the magnitude of the conspiracy this implies. Read the job posting. Look up the definition of some of the acronyms being used if you have trouble understanding what the job description is actually for. Don't take my word for it, please. Take it from Grumman- one of our mainstays in the military industrial foodchain. They need a line boy to check the tankers, to check the flow rates, to clean the nozzles, recharge the propellants, check the line pressures, someone with an engineering degree, someone who knows how to keep their mouth shut (9 years experience says you get how it works and keep you head down), and a top secret clearnance will be neccessary, of course. Just another one of the 980,000 Americans working today for our government with a Top Secret (or above) security clearance (this figure courtesy of Snowden disclosures)- just another one of our neighbors and fellow citizens who spend their days doing unspeakable things to their own kind in exchange for a steady paycheck, great dental and a pension plan.

But as far as spending our time and energy debating whether this is really going on or not, I am with Sidney, and the others here who are impatient with the ham fisted obstruction and disinfo- regardless of your agenda, or what on earth you may be thinking you are doing or who you work for, we are late in the game to be stalled at the starting line like this.




I guess I am the first to inform you of this amazing coincidence, but as it happens, right there in your hometown, your own little town of Palmdale, Ca- there is a rather gigantic airfield, right on the outskirts of town, up against the foothills of the Angeles Crest Mountains. It's a veritable hotbead of military activity- home assemble facility and testing grounds for the Predator Drone- you might have heard of that? Also home to many aerospace companies (Grumman, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin) with testing and R&D facilities based there. I would be willing to bet there are more Military pilots with top secret security clearances clogging up the local bars on a Friday night in your hometown than just about anywhere on the planet. And somehow you have not seen or heard anything unusual in all of your 20+ years in the aviation realm. I gotta say that is beyond amazing.

Umm, ok... So, what are you trying to say? Can you get to the point?
First, I am very aware of Skunk Works in my back yard.
Second, I was enlisted in the Navy and during my time as a Naval Test Parachutist stationed and Naval Weapons Center China Lake I went to school and finished all of my flight training privately. Many Pilots are "Not" military flyers or ex military flyers. Matter of fact the majority are Not ex military Pilots. Yes, there are many but not beyond 50 percent.
I have an ATP and my types as listed on my liscence: BBD-700, G-IV, G-V, Lr-60, Lr-Jet
As far as proving myself to you or even the way you come across as assuming I'm a phony or a shill, thats your problem. As it would be quite easy for me to post pictures of for instance: 1. testing the Nasa Space shuttle escape system (Naval test Parachutist portion of my life).
2. multitudes of pictures involving myself as a Bush Pilot in Alaska
3. multitudes of photos in various jets with my crew
Also once again, Im not doubting chemtrailing. I'm just stating my observations and dont have an "agenda", as you mentioned.
I'm still not sure why you posted the job sources as well. Perhaps you can elaborate?
Oh, why is it important to know my total hours? What bearing does this come into play? But since you asked I am at 12,450TT
I fly out of Burbank (KBUR) Van Nuys (KVNY). My last position was with a Management company named Avjet Corporation until the account that I was on flying the Global Express (BBD-700) was sold. I am now contracting between the Lr-60 and the BBD-700 and plan on staying contract until I find an account that fits my lifestyle a little better.
Dont know what else to tell you other than I have no "agenda".
Perhaps you could elaborate what exactly you are getting at?
cheers

[jerry]

In case you missed it this should help support the consensus of an agenda for the folks who are still not convinced. All we can do is lead the horse to water.......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uv0Ko2OU4Ec

[Cidersomerset]

The initial story is that tow witness's saw military planes dropping a strnge fibre
substance. They contacted a local news station who covered the storey but the
lab they used to test samples said it was a form of agricultural bandage for
livestock. Whether thet deliberately or accidently used the wrong sample is open to
debate,but it did not fit with what the woman saw and the fibres they collected.
Thoughthey could of got contaminated when collected with the bandage fibres ?
speculation.

Anyway they were unhappy with the results and the vid immediately below explains
what they did. The vid goes on into other related information and highlights some
of the exceptions when it is valid for authorities to spray civilian populations and
its an eye opener . From the doc link below , she goes thru some of them. ( Though
I could not find them & gave up , though they are there if you have the time and
patience LOL )....Medical , therapeutic ? , pharma , agriculture , industrial
orResearch activities, prett broad I'd say. Then in the law and order section any
purpose related to Riot control. Could be spraying Ferguson soon then !!!


http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/olc/docs/1998NDAA.pdf


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AZ Jet Drops Odd Fibers From Sky & the Stunning Test Results! Doc Proves DOD Can Experiment on Us

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FpkeV3SqyBY

Published on 6 Dec 2014


Here is the link that goes with the post: http://b4in.info/hiIQ

UPDATE FROM Maria Snow Herself:
"I am the person that was interviewed. I don't think CBS is lying at all about the sample they collected.
Cori and I had our own two samples collected mid-air and from fences. After I left the interview they
collected their own sample. What I saw in this interview was not what I saw falling from the direction
of an aircraft. Their sample was huge..... there are no samples of this "unknown fiber" that are that
large. I believe they collected what looked to them to be the same fibers, but in all actuality, may have
been a gauze bandage. There were cows down the street from where the interview was shot. I am not
making excuses for anyone. I am simply telling the truth.

"We had these fibers tested and they were extremely high in three heavy metals. No matter what you
call it, it fell from the direction of a military aircraft and on our heads... we inhaled this fiber... it
tested high for heavy metals. Are you going to just laugh it off and let your children play in this stuff?
It is occurring all over the globe... and what IF geoengineering/chemtrails are in fact much more than
a "conspiracy theory"... why risk your lives and the lives of those around you. Please Google "geoengineering.""

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C-130 aircraft caught dropping massive ‘raindrop shaped fibers’ onto populace, lab tests confirm ‘metals’

Monday 8th December 2014 at 08:21 By David Icke




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C-130 aircraft caught dropping massive ‘raindrop shaped fibers’ onto populace, lab tests confirm “metals”

December 5, 2014 6:03 pm EST

Independent lab tests point to mainstream cover-up of live biowarfare, geoengineering testing

By Shepard Ambellas

‘Marie Snow and her friend Cori Gunnels knew they stumbled across something sinister, one November day,
this year, when they saw what appeared to be 50 to 60-foot long “raindrops”, “solid” in nature, falling from
the sky in clusters, after three military aircraft, including a C-130, flew overhead, minutes prior, at an
altitude of an estimated 5,000-8,000 ft.

Using critical thinking skills, Snow and Gunnels, patriots and local residents, decided to collect samples of
the fibrous material which was deployed from the three military planes earlier that day, saving the samples
for testing. In fact, the fibers looked so ominous that Snow even opted not to touch them with her
“bare hands” and collected them on “white pieces of paper”.’



Visible fibers, 50 to 60 feet long, left after three military aircraft were flying at approx. 5,000-8,000 ft. altitude.
(Photo Credit: Marie Snow)


Soon after, Snow, determined to know the truth, contacted her local news station, KPHO, CBS 5, inviting
them to investigate her fibrous discovery.

Within days, CBS 5 took Snow up on her offer, sending reporter Greg Argos to investigate the fibrous
samples she collected off of the natural terrain and nearby fence posts, also noting her eyewitness
account to the 3 military aircraft which flew overhead that day. However, what happened after
CBS 5 interviewed Snow may shock you.

According to Argos’ video piece, published Nov. 18, by CBS 5, samples of the unusual fibers, which
are “thicker than a spider web and “very strong”, were taken to Grand Canyon University’s Forensic
Science Lab for testing where a woman by the name of “Melissa Beddow” allegedly tested the
samples under “40 times magnification”.

As reported in the Argos piece, Beddow stated that the fibrous samples were likely “biodegradable
gauze” from “nearby cattle farms”, made up of “a mixture of wheat, gluten, flour and bacitracin,
an antibiotic” in what the network touted as a “straight story”.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=urYgaP45ei8

However, after the local news piece aired, Snow and others were skeptical of Argos’ findings.
Snow was soon after urged by Al DiCicco, who appears in the documentary film “Shade the
Motion Picture”, a film about covert and sinister bioweapons testing programs, to contact
Intellihub News and get independent testing of the samples done by a reputable lab.
And that’s just what Marie Snow did.

On Nov. 22, Snow reached out to me, [Intellihub's Shepard Ambellas] to gather yet another
opinion on how to proceed after something just didn’t feel right to Snow about KPHO, CBS 5′s report.




A C-130 and two other planes conducting biowarfare, geoengineering operations over Chino
Valley, Arizona, Nov., 2014. (Photo Credit: Marie Snow)

Once contacted by Snow, I, myself, recommended just what my friend Al DiCicco told her
to do, “get some independent testing done”as we could than later do a “powerful article”
if the results differed from KPHO, CBS 5′s findings.

And again, that’s just what Snow and Gunnels did, sending the samples to a credible lab,
a testing facility located in Redding California to properly and scientifically carry out
tests of several fibrous samples.

Days after, the actual results came back from the lab, and what was found may shock you.

The work orders, numbered “14K0279“, dated Dec. 4, 2014 and “14K0683“, dated Dec. 2,
2014, stated that “All analysis were performed under strict adherence to our established
Quality Assurance Plan” and that “solid” “fibers” were submitted by “Marie Snow”
for “general testing”.




Astonishingly, both tests concluded that both samples indeed tested positive for three
metal analytes, “Aluminum”, “barium” and “strontium”, three substances commonly
known by dedicated researchers to be found in persistent contrails, i.e. chemtrails
and or geoengineering, terraforming operations as pointed out by investigative
researcher, activist, Rosalind Peterson, Agriculture Defense Coalition, in Shade
the Motion Picture.





Coupling the Redding lab’s scientific findings, with Marie Snow’s eyewitness account
of the three military planes flying overhead, the fibrous material collected, and other
breakthrough research noted in Shade the Motion Picture, we must now hold the
mainstream news accountable for not reporting actual scientific evidence and findings
pertaining to persistent contrails, chemtrails, geoengineering or the terraforming
of our planetary atmosphere.

In fact scientists, likely not credible ones, Bill Gates and others are now claiming
that geoengineering is needed to block solar radiation, to prevent “global warming”.

Although some like Dr. Matthew Watson, University of Bristol, say that Solar
Radiation Management (SRM) could have “profoundly terrifying” consequences
possibly causing extreme drought or severe rainfall, conflicting weather, in
opposite regions of the globe not typical to the locality.

“Some of the techniques could also damage the ozone layer, leaving people
at risk of skin cancer, or potentially trigger conflicts amid tensions between
those affected by their deployment, the scientists said.”, as reported by
The Telegraph in the article Six radical ways to tackle global warming.

But maybe even more bothersome is the fact that theses biological,
chemical, and in some cases radiological, tests have all been approved
to be conducted on the general public, at any time, by the U.S.
government or military, under a public law.



Mysterious fibers containing barium, strontium and aluminum found
on power lines after military test, Chino Valley, AZ. (Photo Credit: Marie Snow)





Read more: C-130 aircraft caught dropping massive ‘raindrop shaped fibers’ onto populace,
lab tests confirm 'metals'


https://www.intellihub.com/c-130-air...ed-experiment/

[Sidney]

Posted by Chipsam (here)

Posted by Buck (here)
Chipsam - You post the first response to a thread entitled "Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying", introducing yourself as an experienced pilot for 20+ years, having an ongoing interest in the issue of chemtrails and related phenomenon, claiming to just be interested in getting to the bottom of things.

I also happen to have an aviation background. You did not mention your total hours, or the specific type of rating you hold, nor what type of aircraft you have flown over the 20 years of your aviation career. It is not typical for anyone with former military training (a great majority of the pilots working in civil aviation in the US come from the military) or for that matter anyone working in avaition for 20+ years, such as yourself, to not mention these facts as a way of establishing your credibility and as a way of helping us to orient to your particular area of expertise or experience. If you are a guy who has flown small business jets for most of your career (which if that is what you claim it is even more curious as corporate pilots are almost always hired on as high time ex military or commercial pilots with a lot of experience- you do not let your Company CEO climb into the company's G7 with some greenhorn at the controls)

But what is even MORE peculiar that is that your Avatar has you listed as based on Palmdale. You describe yourself as having an interest in the topic of Chemtrails for many years. You come on this thread, in this forum, to tell us that you, an experienced pilot (who has even watched the vapor trails from your own jet on rear facing cameras during flight for gosh sakes), have yet to see ANYTHING that would support the notion that our government, or some agencies of our government, or perhaps as some have suggested very large and powerful corporate interests in partnership with the government, might be involved in some kind of atmospheric shenanigans.

I have never posted an attachment to a thread on Avalon, so forgive me if this doesn't quite work out as I hope, but- if I am successful, you should see two attachments posted below. I do not have any personal confusion about what I am seeing in the skies, and have not for many years. My difficulty is more about accepting the magnitude of the conspiracy this implies. Read the job posting. Look up the definition of some of the acronyms being used if you have trouble understanding what the job description is actually for. Don't take my word for it, please. Take it from Grumman- one of our mainstays in the military industrial foodchain. They need a line boy to check the tankers, to check the flow rates, to clean the nozzles, recharge the propellants, check the line pressures, someone with an engineering degree, someone who knows how to keep their mouth shut (9 years experience says you get how it works and keep you head down), and a top secret clearnance will be neccessary, of course. Just another one of the 980,000 Americans working today for our government with a Top Secret (or above) security clearance (this figure courtesy of Snowden disclosures)- just another one of our neighbors and fellow citizens who spend their days doing unspeakable things to their own kind in exchange for a steady paycheck, great dental and a pension plan.

But as far as spending our time and energy debating whether this is really going on or not, I am with Sidney, and the others here who are impatient with the ham fisted obstruction and disinfo- regardless of your agenda, or what on earth you may be thinking you are doing or who you work for, we are late in the game to be stalled at the starting line like this.




I guess I am the first to inform you of this amazing coincidence, but as it happens, right there in your hometown, your own little town of Palmdale, Ca- there is a rather gigantic airfield, right on the outskirts of town, up against the foothills of the Angeles Crest Mountains. It's a veritable hotbead of military activity- home assemble facility and testing grounds for the Predator Drone- you might have heard of that? Also home to many aerospace companies (Grumman, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin) with testing and R&D facilities based there. I would be willing to bet there are more Military pilots with top secret security clearances clogging up the local bars on a Friday night in your hometown than just about anywhere on the planet. And somehow you have not seen or heard anything unusual in all of your 20+ years in the aviation realm. I gotta say that is beyond amazing.

Umm, ok... So, what are you trying to say? Can you get to the point?
First, I am very aware of Skunk Works in my back yard.
Second, I was enlisted in the Navy and during my time as a Naval Test Parachutist stationed and Naval Weapons Center China Lake I went to school and finished all of my flight training privately. Many Pilots are "Not" military flyers or ex military flyers. Matter of fact the majority are Not ex military Pilots. Yes, there are many but not beyond 50 percent.
I have an ATP and my types as listed on my liscence: BBD-700, G-IV, G-V, Lr-60, Lr-Jet
As far as proving myself to you or even the way you come across as assuming I'm a phony or a shill, thats your problem. As it would be quite easy for me to post pictures of for instance: 1. testing the Nasa Space shuttle escape system (Naval test Parachutist portion of my life).
2. multitudes of pictures involving myself as a Bush Pilot in Alaska
3. multitudes of photos in various jets with my crew
Also once again, Im not doubting chemtrailing. I'm just stating my observations and dont have an "agenda", as you mentioned.
I'm still not sure why you posted the job sources as well. Perhaps you can elaborate?
Oh, why is it important to know my total hours? What bearing does this come into play? But since you asked I am at 12,450TT
I fly out of Burbank (KBUR) Van Nuys (KVNY). My last position was with a Management company named Avjet Corporation until the account that I was on flying the Global Express (BBD-700) was sold. I am now contracting between the Lr-60 and the BBD-700 and plan on staying contract until I find an account that fits my lifestyle a little better.
Dont know what else to tell you other than I have no "agenda".
Perhaps you could elaborate what exactly you are getting at?
cheers

Chipsam and Buck

Just for the record, after reading Bucks post, specifically this part
I am with Sidney, and the others here who are impatient with the ham fisted obstruction and disinfo- regardless of your agenda, or what on earth you may be thinking you are doing or who you work for, we are late in the game to be stalled at the starting line like this.

I would just like to say I have never had a conversation nor made any statement implying Chipsam had any agendas of any kind.
I DO have my thoughts and personal suspicions regarding some others, but I never implied that Chipsam had an agenda.

I do happen to think there is an agenda, WORLDWIDE, not just on this forum, to cover up the MASS poisoning of this huge rock we call our home.

A little advice to Chipsam, since you are a pilot, you have some serious opportunities to observe what everybody else can't. AND, maybe that is why you can't see what is happening. If you spend vast quantities of time in the air, you probably get to see the sun on a regular basis, unobstructed. I don't have that luxury. I have not seen the sun for more that five minutes at a time, for well over a month. Its not frickin normal, not even in November, not where I live.

Start paying more attention to whats above you and below you. Have a small (good quality)camera with you.

Every time I have flown in the last ten years, I have clearly seen the spray planes doing their deeds. But it was above or below where commercial craft fly. And usually not very far.

You are awake. Even if you are skeptical, the seed is planted, and gives you a better chance of seeing something.

[Chip]

A little advice to chipsam, since you are a pilot, you have some serious opportunities to observe what everybody else can't. AND, maybe that is why you can't see what is happening. If you spend vast quantities of time in the air, you probably get to see the sun on a regular basis, unobstructed. I don't have that luxury. I have not seen the sun for more that five minutes at a time, for well over a month. Its not frickin normal, not even in November, not where I live.

Hi, Sidney
I am currently in talks with a fuel contractor that we routinely use. I'm trying to find out what's in the fuel and if he could come through with some lab results. This was 3 days ago and I am going to follow through, as this particular person owes me a favor.
This particular thread has allowed me to explore avenues outside of the norm by all questions asked and shared. This has been a long road as I have been following it for many years. I have found that like many things not all sources on the internet are accurate nor can be trusted.
I do get to experience much sun light and at FL450 can give you a nice dose of radiation as well. I've not noticed anything different about the Sun itself, if that is your question? Also, I have lived in the Desert regions of Southern California for the past 26 years and havent noticed any appreciable difference in the sky cover. But, I do hear differently from friends in other areas like yourself.
The only real difference that I have noticed appreciably is in the Jet Stream. It's been very unusual, with regards to direction, speed and temperature for the past 2 years.
Thanks

[jerry]

Yes we are all aware of the dissinfo that's disseminated here on the net with a vast majority coming from hired shills paid by the government for the sole purpose of disruption of news and further there cause for a NWO. One need be no sleuth just a notch over brain dead with a pulse ..... the following article goes in to this issue of propaganda and there are literally hundreds that similarly expose this truth. When so many different reports from so many different sources report on the issues of the day you realize that yes where theres smoke theres fire.
http://www.independentsentinel.com/u...-news-reports/

"The new law has given sweeping powers to the government to push television, radio, newspaper, and social media onto the U.S. public. “It removes the protection for Americans,” says a Pentagon official who is concerned about the law. “It removes oversight from the people who want to put out this information. There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.”

[Sidney]

Posted by Chipsam (here)
A little advice to chipsam, since you are a pilot, you have some serious opportunities to observe what everybody else can't. AND, maybe that is why you can't see what is happening. If you spend vast quantities of time in the air, you probably get to see the sun on a regular basis, unobstructed. I don't have that luxury. I have not seen the sun for more that five minutes at a time, for well over a month. Its not frickin normal, not even in November, not where I live.

Hi, Sidney
I am currently in talks with a fuel contractor that we routinely use. I'm trying to find out what's in the fuel and if he could come through with some lab results. This was 3 days ago and I am going to follow through, as this particular person owes me a favor.
This particular thread has allowed me to explore avenues outside of the norm by all questions asked and shared. This has been a long road as I have been following it for many years. I have found that like many things not all sources on the internet are accurate nor can be trusted.
I do get to experience much sun light and at FL450 can give you a nice dose of radiation as well. I've not noticed anything different about the Sun itself, if that is your question? Also, I have lived in the Desert regions of Southern California for the past 26 years and havent noticed any appreciable difference in the sky cover. But, I do hear differently from friends in other areas like yourself.
The only real difference that I have noticed appreciably is in the Jet Stream. It's been very unusual, with regards to direction, speed and temperature for the past 2 years.
Thanks

I personally don't think commercial airplanes are involved, but i suppose its not out of the question regarding jet fuel being tweaked for some purpose.

The planes I see spraying are usually white UNMARKED tankers. There is a bright pink one that i have also seen when they have 10 or 15 going at one location.

[aviators]

This video talks about the newer jet fuel JP8.
They started using this fuel back in 1997. It's very possible this is why
persistent contrails started showing up around this time.
One other note that makes sense is the fact there are pockets of moist dence
air at altitude. This could give the effect of spaying on and off like what is being seen in our skies.

Don't get me wrong I think there is somthing going on. Where is all this aluminum
Coming from? I just don't see how it could be practical to use jet liners.

Also someone recently pointed out the posibility the jets may be flying through this poison treated layer of air. Where the spraying is done at a much higher alitude.
Perhaps this has some merit.

Again the real question is "where is all this heavy metal aluminum etc.coming from"
Lots of material would have to be trucked/shipped to airports. We should have more whistle blowers don't you think.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FshkKWR6D2w

[Sidney]

Well, HE++ NO, its not practical, and neither is poisoning every man woman child tree and everything else on the planet, which is exactly what they are doing.. They are using jets. If its not jets, then its other craft that is holographically made to look like jets.

I am sorry, BUT, I know what I see with my own two eyes. And The same tankers, that fly back and forth over the same stretch 24 hours straight with absolutely no destination, OTHER than back and forth is definitely NOT practical, and they don't have subliminal white streaks plastered all over television, internet screens, magazines, childrens books, and even city buses for nothing.

I have been watching this occur for a lot of years now, and before that, I watched NATURE occur. People can debunk til they are blue in the face, and I will continue to speak my truth until the day I die, whether it is tomorrow, or next year or 30 years from now. People are targeted, killed, ridiculed, and bullied for speaking out. And let me tell you, the elites are paying people BIG BUCKS, to gang stalk and target anyone they cannot shut up. You think they are doing that for water vapor? Do I seem angry? Because I am angry.
My child is breathing metal and a boat load of other ++++ day in and day out. My best friends two sons both have asthma, almost everyone I know over 60 has some form of COPD, even my cat has asthma.
I used to be one heck of a gardener, now it it five times more time consuming to get all the kinks out of the crop, mainly do to ph issues, or it rains too much, or not at all. And they put a fancy name like global warming, or climate change.
Its a dog and pony show, really.
I am not a pilot, or a scientist, or any other fancy named professional, but I am smart, and I have fully functioning eyesight, and I have been an outdoor living type of person my entire life. They are spraying, they are doing it from jets, and maybe other ways also, and they have gotten very good at being sneaky about it, and even more aggressive about using subliminals in the media, and it appears to be working quite well by the looks of it.

Whew, end rant.