The earth is flat, not round. We are being mind set by Annunaki/Illuminati/TPTB

[blufire]

I have to admit when I saw this thread posted I truly thought it was a joke. I kept waiting for someone to say Ha! Gotcha! Some sort of misplaced April Fool’s joke or such.

And then I began to realize it wasn’t a joke . . . . . . .

And now I am further dismayed at the time spent proving that our planet is truly spherical.

IMO beliefs such as these and such dramatic deviation from common sense is the very reason ‘we’ as regular humans never get past base one as a unified group and force.

We are only as strong and a force to be reckoned with as our weakest link and in my humble opinion this makes us profoundly weak.

I think threads such as these could go hand and hand with threads such as the following: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-done-about-it

Threads and beliefs such as this “could” make me feel very apathetic . . . . . . from the very standpoint that if something so basic as the shape of our planet is in question what hope do ‘we’ have to make any impact for our future in a positive unified way?

What hope do we have to address the really big issues and true destruction of our planet and humanity if we have such a lack of basic common sense? And we are supposed to be the Awake Ones???

Poor Sir Isaac Newton must be rolling over in his grave right now because if our planet is flat then his “Universal (as in our universe) Law of Gravitation” just got obliterated.

Just my humble opinion . . . .

[Violet]

If my memory does not fail me, even Newton was proven wrong at one point in time.

Maia, I think you gain much energy from the fierceness with which Galileo opposed historical beliefs and opposition by the clerical establishment, only to be found valuable afterwards. But be not misled, not all people who are refuted or thwarted are necessarily right. I see this with conspiracy theorists as well. The more opposed, the more attractive his/her theory becomes as a new truth.

This is what conspiracy theories can do to people. With all due respect, how can one readily acknowledge, without having seen for themselves (not everyone is a direct witness) testimonies about triangles flying about gardens/bedrooms, people travelling with aliens and coming back unharmed or otherwise: modified, time having stopped (does physics acknowledge this?), jumping to other dimensions during sleep and being back on time for work in the morning, and with the exact same fervour of belief therein oppose flat earth theory?

How can one remain credible when other (by common standards) unlikelihoods will be debated in a serious and respectful manner (with again: parties against and parties pro)?

Though enough evidence is available and already offered to Maia, I feel she's (please, tell me you're a she) somehow not being treated fairly, for lack of a better word. If she would've said that she fell out of her window and she flew up instead of down she might have actually had a better chance at being received well. That's kind of...a problem?

Wouldn't it be better - if so annoying, and so it appears - to support people in a more constructive manner to better distinguish between possible realities and deal with information, and the way it's corrupted by disinformation, in a manner that doesn't lead to the distortion of what really is.

I don't know how, maybe a special subforum...

[araucaria]

Posted by blufire (here)
We are only as strong and a force to be reckoned with as our weakest link

Try telling that to a bunch of spermatozoa. Agape recently posted a video showing how the force to be reckoned with that fertilized our mother's egg was as strong as its strongest link.

What hope have we of addressing really big issues if we turn up our noses at the little ones?

[Maia Gabrial]

Well, folks showing all those doctored pictures is how you're reinforcing the deceptions. The Earth is not a sphere and here's some more proof that it's actually an oblate spheroid from a film that was never meant for the public to see:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rCaXMEwJTbU

How long do you think it took to convince people that the Earth was round? Now look at how long it's taking to convince modern people that it's not round. Remember that conspiracy begins when something doesn't sound right and then proof starts to emerge. There will always be people who will seek out the truth. I'm not embarrassed by any of this Flat Earth theory and I'm sorry that you feel the way you do. Challenge the status quo! Not just accept things without question. The question is have they been teaching us the truth? In view of all the lies, secrecy and coverups, why is it so difficult to see this flat earth theory as just another one of their deception? Eventually, the truth will come out.

Here's an interesting video that explains another deception on everyone. This demonstrates how maps are manipulated to reflect social equality, not what really is. That they made a country's size relate to their power and importance. Take a moment to listen to this video, if you're open minded.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WHzvhxpAfig

I'm ready to challenge alot of things I've been taught! How about you all?

[Maia Gabrial]

Holograms are very much like fractals.

And since I think both apply pretty well to the reality (not just our world) that we all seem to be experiencing together I'd say that the chances of the earth not being round are pretty low.

As above so below, the fractal phrase applies here.

we live in a defined, rule based system; use those rules to temper your ideas and keep you closer to describing this experience more accurately.


Now, that being said: Nothing is above question, but even the question posed is subject to question; so don't shoot the questioner (in either case)!

I used to completely accept the "as above so below" reason. But now with all the lies, secrecy and coverups about how our sciences are so far behind what deep black world has, I question many things. From what whistleblowers have said, their science is hundreds of years ahead of mainstream....

At first glance, don't grains of sand look round? But under a microscope, they're all different shapes and sizes. Can't this be applied to planets? Do they all have to round? From a distance they look round, but are they really? They must be like microcosmic grains of sand in the scheme of things. So, maybe the "as above so below" can apply here, too....

[Maia Gabrial]

Here are some more optical illusions!

I look at all those pictures you posted, Bill and I see just partial and curved pictures of the earth. IMO the only round one is doctored to look round by NASA.
Stay tuned,folks. I'll keep looking for proof. It's out there!

So, I guess I'm just not being SMART (or following the crowd) because I'm challenging the status quo. As I responded to TargeT's post, according to whistleblowers, the science of the deep black world is hundred's of years ahead of mainstream. IMO the real shape is already known to them.

The shape of Earth should be no big deal IF we had the truth. And I'm saying we don't have it....

[Nick Matkin]

If the earth isn't a sphere, show me the edge!

Nick

[araucaria]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
At first glance, don't grains of sand look round? But under a microscope, they're all different shapes and sizes. Can't this be applied to planets? Do they all have to round?

Perfect sphericity is not the issue here: therer are potato shaped moons and asteroids out there. But none of them are flat in the sense of largely two-dimensional: you could go in one direction until you came back to your starting point. And the same goes for a grain of sand.

Not only is space circular in this sense, time is cyclical too.

[araucaria]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Well, folks showing all those doctored pictures is how you're reinforcing the deceptions. The Earth is not a sphere and here's some more proof that it's actually an oblate spheroid from a film that was never meant for the public to see:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rCaXMEwJTbU

The core of this video was originally intended to demonstrate that the Moon landing was faked. It may or may not help to do that. What the alleged trickery does not do is demonstrate anything about the shape of the Earth. If what we see is just a part of it made to look round, then the entire planet could be any shape at all that is bigger than the window. If you are trying to demonstrate something scientifically, then Bible quotations just don't cut it.

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm not a xistian, so the bible quotes don't mean much to me either. But the bible has truth mixed in with it, though. As with all Conspiracy factists, if something doesn't sound right, they seek out proof. People have been watching the skies and seeing things that don't fit what they've been taught. And I'm more convinced than ever in this flat earth theory. Why? Because I'm throwing off all the indoctrinations and seeking the truth; no matter what it is.

It may not be completely flat, but it's definitely not round. For all we know, it may be half of a sphere. So, while all those photographs make the Earth appear round from a CERTAIN ANGLE, still doesn't make it round. Anything could be made to look round when only a certain part is shown. Illusions. Isn't that how David Copperfield made a plane disappear on tv? We didn't see the area or how they panned the cameras to give the illusion of disappearance. But it was amazing.

Illusion and brainwashing, that's what all of this is. It doesn't really matter what shape the Earth is, but it's important to know the truth. I resent that I've been taught many lies. So, the challenge is on.

As Omniverse said in his thread, we, Earth humans are hated by certain races of aliens because of our complete confidence in our reality. Never mind that it's not what we think it is.

I'm wondering if we really know anything that's true?

[araucaria]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
I'm wondering if we really know anything that's true?

Know yourself. Starting at the beginning: are you are rounded personality, or are you a cardboard cutout? To see flatness is to see one dimension less, to turn our 3D reality into a 2D one. A computer screen is the ideal tool to help you do that. On the other hand, anyone seeking and finding is discovering more dimensions to things, and that we are multi-dimensional beings. To go the opposite way is to entertain optical and other illusions. If I show you a cube, you might see a square, looking straight on, or a hexagon, looking at an angle. You are not understanding better, you are failing to interpret the visual data correctly.

[Observer1964]

[Maia Gabrial]

Thanks for that picture, Observer1964. I'm thinking that Earth may not be quite that flat, that it's shaped more like a half dome. A half of a ball. Viewed from the top, all the land masses would be visible just as depicted in the UN's flag.

Thanks for the insult, araucaria. There's nothing wrong with the way I think or understand things. Just because I question things, doesn't make me a fool. I do admit that I'm a Conspiracy Factist. Thank you.

Have you seen pictures of images that were so enlarged that you couldn't tell what they were? Until it reduced to back down and was seen in it's entirety, it was pretty much an illusion. Every picture of the Earth came from those liars at NASA. Do you agree that they are deceiving the public with many important matters? And yet you believe them on this? I'm saying that they did a great job of hiding the actual shape from us.

And related to this theory, I've paid close attention to the movements of the Sun and the moon. For about 10 years or so, I've watched the skies. I agree that I don't have a degree in the sciences, but I can observe things with my own eyes. People who don't bother to look up, won't see anything, but they're the first ones to be skeptical if it challenges their belief systems.
Just watching the Sun and moon movement will give away hints of what's going on. I've noticed their movements have changed up a bit. BTW this could be why our skies are covered with so much cloud covering - to hide this from those paying close attention. Lately, the distance between where the Sun rises and sets has narrowed. Its path, I've observed, is not up and over us the way it used to be. It's more like the arc moves more horizontal over (or at 45 degree angle over) us before it sets. That's when I started wondering about the shape of the planet.... There are people with science backgrouds who believe in this theory. And they can prove their point alot better than I can with just my observations.

The ONLY way I would change my belief is to actually go up in a craft, fly around the Earth and see the truth for myself. If it's round, I'll admit I'm wrong right here on Avalon....

Go to about the 5:00 mark and watch what they think is going on:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=poFJA4EFJn4

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FUDUL3II1dU

[Sunny-side-up]

Do we or don't we think/know that the universe and all in it is a Hologram ?

An electro, plasmic one at that!

If we do think yes!
then where is any actual physical shape?

We see and feel what we are meant to see from within the Illusion/hologram!

We see and feel what we expand to see from outside the Illusion/hologram!

[DarMar]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JhqHatAngD0

JUST ICE for all

[araucaria]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Thanks for that picture, Observer1964. I'm thinking that Earth may not be quite that flat, that it's shaped more like a half dome. A half of a ball. Viewed from the top, all the land masses would be visible just as depicted in the UN's flag.

Thanks for the insult, araucaria. There's nothing wrong with the way I think or understand things. Just because I question things, doesn't make me a fool. I do admit that I'm a Conspiracy Factist. Thank you.

Have you seen pictures of images that were so enlarged that you couldn't tell what they were? Until it reduced to back down and was seen in it's entirety, it was pretty much an illusion. Every picture of the Earth came from those liars at NASA. Do you agree that they are deceiving the public with many important matters? And yet you believe them on this? I'm saying that they did a great job of hiding the actual shape from us.

And related to this theory, I've paid close attention to the movements of the Sun and the moon. For about 10 years or so, I've watched the skies. I agree that I don't have a degree in the sciences, but I can observe things with my own eyes. People who don't bother to look up, won't see anything, but they're the first ones to be skeptical if it challenges their belief systems.
Just watching the Sun and moon movement will give away hints of what's going on. I've noticed their movements have changed up a bit. BTW this could be why our skies are covered with so much cloud covering - to hide this from those paying close attention. Lately, the distance between where the Sun rises and sets has narrowed. Its path, I've observed, is not up and over us the way it used to be. It's more like the arc moves more horizontal over (or at 45 degree angle over) us before it sets. That's when I started wondering about the shape of the planet.... There are people with science backgrouds who believe in this theory. And they can prove their point alot better than I can with just my observations.

The ONLY way I would change my belief is to actually go up in a craft, fly around the Earth and see the truth for myself. If it's round, I'll admit I'm wrong right here on Avalon....

Go to about the 5:00 mark and watch what they think is going on:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=poFJA4EFJn4

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FUDUL3II1dU

Maia Gabriel, I was hardly insulting you – I was suggesting that you are definitely not a cardboard cutout, but you seem to have misunderstood my drift. You ought to give me credit for being more patient with you than anyone else around here.

For a non-Christian, you seem to be relying rather heavily on videos for Bible-bashers. I prefer Zechariah Sitchin’s reading of the Bible. He shows how Genesis and science can both be right. Do have a look if you haven’t already.

Regarding the sun’s position, this issue comes up on Avalon every year, usually around this time of year. We are in the early days of summer when the days start getting shorter and the sun sets and rises further south than a fortnight ago. If you think the sun has moved, check out the so-called Manhattanhenge effect. You get the sun setting in alignment with the downtown New York grid. This takes place twice a year, the second time on around July 12. To date this has been happening on schedule, including this weekend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattanhenge
http://www.leparisien.fr/diaporama/e...=6#infoBulles1

There are not many vacancies for astronauts these days. It is difficult to expect personal verification on many things. But, as William James points out, most of the time the notion of verifiability is enough to go on with.

[Nick Matkin]

Just seen the Manhattanhenge video again from 12 July. It occurred right on schedule. Quite a scene.

Of course it must be faked by the MSM because there are some on here who know the Earth's axis has tilted and NASA is covering it up - as apparently are thousands of amateur astronomers.

Nick

[Maia Gabrial]

I think the model in the video I presented is not quite right either. I think the partial Earth is wobbling so that it appears that the Sun is going around it when it's not.

There's an experiment that can be done to prove my point. Hold a flash light above and to the side of a curved object; then wobble the object up and down and in a circular pattern so that the light shines on only parts of it at a time. It will appear that the Sun is moving around the curved object. But the only movement is the object itself....

[Maia Gabrial]

People seem to put stock into the Illuminati cards:

[Eric J (Viking)]

Guide to the FLAT EARTH: http://youtu.be/T8-YdgU-CF4

ok...yes I know...these folk are mad...

Worth some feedback though. The only thing I cannot get my head around is the flight paths!?? Any pilots aboard?

Surely it makes sense for a shorter route to fly direct from US to Austalia and vice versa...if you dont understand watch the video...very short.

Viking