NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts // " What Happened on the Moon "

[Cidersomerset]

He does not flat out say they cannot get past Van Allen Belts as article suggests.
But if we have been through them in the Apollo programme you would of thought
it should not be the problem he suggests. Anyway interesting subject as always...

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NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts

Monday 16th March 2015 at 09:18 By David Icke




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(VIDEO) NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts

March 14, 2015 By 21wire 58 Comments

21st Century Wire says…



‘If this does not get the skeptics going wild on the moon debate, we don’t know what will.

In the video presentation above, NASA engineer Kelly Smith explains about many of the
risks and pitfalls surrounding the new Orion Deep Space Mission to the planet Mars.

Surprisingly, chief among Kelly’s concerns is whether or not his spacecraft can
successfully pass through the perilous Van Allen Radiation Belts. Such is the prospective
danger in fact, that NASA will have to send a dumbie craft first in order to ‘test out’
what the potential radiation effects will be on future human crews, as well as on the
ship’s delicate sensors and equipment.’

Hold on. Why the guessing game by NASA? Why don’t they just use the same 1969
technology they are said to have used on the first Apollo moon missions?

SuperPerformance72 explains, “This video released by NASA about the upcoming Orion
space exploration craft, shows a NASA scientist admitting that they still haven’t worked
out how to properly shield the spacecraft from the radiation emitted from the Van Allen belts.”

Watch:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE

Read more: NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/03/1...diation-belts/

[Cidersomerset]

This video looks a lot older than last year ( circa 2000 I think )and I'm posting it on
the recommendation of one of the commentors on the 21st wire article......I might
of seen it before ? I have watched so many ..LOL but I'l put it on now and watch it again.

426Hemi • 2 days ago

If anyone has not seen the 3.5 hour British documentary "What Happened on the
Moon", this is a must-see. Order the VHS / DVD from www.Aulis.com. The
British dismantle the entire Apollo moon program piece by piece leaving no
stone unturned. After viewing this presentation you will see that there is no
possible way Americans landed men on the moon. If anyone has seen the
movie: "Capricorn One", that movie is essentially the American Apollo moon
program - created on a movie set. Also ask yourself WHY the Germans,
Japanese or Chinese, or French or British have not yet landed men or women on
the moon. The answer is that deep-space radiation would kill humans or animals
brave enough to venture past the Van Allen radiation belts - which actually protect
the Earth from lethal radiation. Not only that, the radiation protection necessary
(thick lead shields) on a spaceship cannot be lifted using current rocket engine
designs. As a final comment, go to YouTube and search: "Apollo 11 NASA astronaut
news conference" and watch the behavior of these three astronauts as they squirm
in their seats nervously as they field questions from the media. It is obvious they
are very uncomfortable with their job of lying to the public about their "trip to the moon".


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What Happened on the Moon

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W79mIGx9Ib4

Published on 23 Jul 2013


"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come
to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can
shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences
of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its
powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and
thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

~ Joseph Goebbels.

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."

~ Adolf Hitler.

"For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known".

~ Jesus.

The Ultimate Truth...

All things in existence are subject to the law of cause and effect, and because
they have a cause they have a beginning, and because they have a beginning
they have an end. However, there is one thing that is not subject to this law,
and because it is not subject to this law, it has no beginning, and because it
has no beginning it has no end... Such is nature of the Ultimate Truth.

Unconditional Love...

If you say that you love your mother, father, brother or sister but you do not
love your neighbour or the person in the street, then this is conditional love,
which is not love at all. Love is extended to all, equally, without exception...
Such is the nature of The Ultimate Truth.

http://www.facebook.com/spiratus.veri...

[DeDukshyn]

He wasn't admitting they couldn't get past them, He was just stating what is needed to do so. But it did sound a bit odd.

My fave is the photo of the lunar rover, all still very neatly packaged sitting under the lander, awaiting it's unpackaging and maiden trek ... while in the photo there are already rover tracks everywhere ...

Can't seem to find it now ...

[Cidersomerset]

He wasn't admitting they couldn't get past them, He was just stating what is needed to do so. But it did sound a bit odd.

I noticed that as well and will add a little comment cheers....

[Ecnal61]

Hi cider,i seem to remember listening to,i think,John Lear a few years ago who said something along the lines that Nasa had used alien derived shielding to get apollo 11 through the van allen belt,obviously only for the first trip as after that it was over to the studio and Mr Kubrick and all that fakery which you dont need protection lol

[Sierra]

From Wiki (I typed "Van Allen belt" as my search criteria):

The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners.[29] The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them.[30] The command module's inner structure was an aluminum "sandwich" consisting of a welded aluminium inner skin, a thermally bonded honeycomb core, and a thin aluminium "face sheet". The steel honeycomb core and outer face sheets were thermally bonded to the inner skin.
In fact, the astronauts' overall exposure was dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.

(And this is a scary proposal if the belt(s) do protect us from radiation):

Proposed removal
High Voltage Orbiting Long Tether, or HiVOLT, is a concept proposed by Russian physicist V.V. Danilov and further refined by Robert P. Hoyt and Robert L. Forward for draining and removing the radiation fields of the Van Allen radiation belts[33] that surround the Earth.[34] A proposed configuration consists of a system of five 100 km long conducting tethers deployed from satellites, and charged to a large voltage. This would cause charged particles that encounter the tethers to have their pitch angle changed, thus over time dissolving the inner belts. Hoyt and Forward's company, Tethers Unlimited, performed a preliminary analysis simulation, and produced a chart depicting a theoretical radiation flux reduction,[35] to less than 1% of current levels within two months for the inner belts that threaten LEO objects.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by Sierra (here)
From Wiki (I typed "Van Allen belt" as my search criteria):

The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners.[29] The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them.[30] The command module's inner structure was an aluminum "sandwich" consisting of a welded aluminium inner skin, a thermally bonded honeycomb core, and a thin aluminium "face sheet". The steel honeycomb core and outer face sheets were thermally bonded to the inner skin.
In fact, the astronauts' overall exposure was dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.

(And this is a scary proposal if the belt(s) do protect us from radiation):

Proposed removal
High Voltage Orbiting Long Tether, or HiVOLT, is a concept proposed by Russian physicist V.V. Danilov and further refined by Robert P. Hoyt and Robert L. Forward for draining and removing the radiation fields of the Van Allen radiation belts[33] that surround the Earth.[34] A proposed configuration consists of a system of five 100 km long conducting tethers deployed from satellites, and charged to a large voltage. This would cause charged particles that encounter the tethers to have their pitch angle changed, thus over time dissolving the inner belts. Hoyt and Forward's company, Tethers Unlimited, performed a preliminary analysis simulation, and produced a chart depicting a theoretical radiation flux reduction,[35] to less than 1% of current levels within two months for the inner belts that threaten LEO objects.

you can see the type of paranoia i've been livin with lol

Sierra it's reallllll :D smile

edit: for seriousness' sake, i am serious

[Cidersomerset]

Hi cider,i seem to remember listening to,i think,John Lear a few years ago who said something along the lines that Nasa had used alien derived shielding to get apollo 11 through the van allen belt,obviously only for the first trip as after that it was over to the studio and Mr Kubrick and all that fakery which you dont need protection lol

Hi mate yeah John Lear and others have suggested a tow by ET's or secret space programme, and I have
done several Stanley Kubrick threads . I think we have been and are regularly going to the moon and
other planets , via the secret space programme and the relics of the landing sites must be up there still,
lander base , buggies , flags and footprints etc. The question did the astronauts we think went up , go ?
As they do not seem to remember much about it , alternate footage was filmed and used it appears,
and the conspiracy goes on...LOL

Jay Weidner on Stanley Kubrick's Fake Moon Landing footage

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oC5tUYmmjIU

Published on 22 Mar 2014
Jay Weidner on the Jeff Rense show discuss Kubrick's work for Nasa and the
likelihood he faked the moon lading footage.


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The documentary above 'What Happened on the Moon' is very good and asks
a lot of valid questions as well a pointing out many anomalies and possible
'whistleblower' leaks at the time shown amongst the NASA Apollo footage and
much more.....

[Cidersomerset]

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4

Published on 14 Apr 2013


Award winning filmmaker Bart Sibrel presents his highly acclaimed (and much hated)
controversial documentary showcasing newly discovered behind-the-scenes out-takes
from the first mission to the moon, proving that the crew never left earth orbit.

Never before in all of recorded aviation has a flying machine worked on its first attempt,
much less the most complicated one ever imagined, landing on another heavenly body
on its maiden voyage, and returning roundtrip with a crew that lived to tell, all with
1960's technology. (More computing power is found today in a $10 watch.)

According to William Kaysing, a NASA contractor for Apollo, a classified interdepartmental
memo rated the odds of a successful and survivable manned lunar landing on its first
attempt at one in ten thousand. That is why the returning men of the mission looked so
dejected rather than triumphant at their press conference, as they were blackmailed into
lying about the alleged greatest accomplishment of mankind, to the detriment of their own souls.

Sibrel has been interviewed, and his documentary about the moon landings have been
featured on, The Tonight Show, The Daily Show, Geraldo at Large, The Abrams Report,
Coast to Coast, NBC, CNN, FOX, Time Magazine, The New York Times, The L.A. Times,
The Washington Post and USA Today.

See: http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/land-...

[Cidersomerset]

I'm watching a vid by Richard D Hall who is a very good alternate
researcher. I do not agree with all his conclusions but he makes
very good points and observations. I'm posting it here because
NASA would have us believe all they have had for 60 odd years
is Apollo type rockets , Shuttles , probes and prototypes.
Until the upcoming Orion project. I don't think this is true
and alternate US probably in conjunction with other countries
have been flying alternate space capable craft from early
on possibly the 1960's.

If this is true it would explain how the US put astronauts on the
moon with the equipment they left up there buggies , flag etc.
While the Apollo craft themselves stayed in near earth orbit as
suggested in the vids above......

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RICHPLANET TV - The Secret Space Fleet - 13/10/2014 Show

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zxEIyHlGIOI

Published on 18 Oct 2014


Please visit Richard D Hall's website RICHPLANET.NET http://www.richplanet.net ...
to see all his past shows, and so much more, covering all types of alternate issues
that the mainstream refuses to acknowledge.

The term "whistle blower" is a commonly used term. Richard's contention is that
any genuine whistle blower would not be granted air time in mainstream media.
Important whistle blowers such as Dr Judy Wood are not widely know about.
Another whistle blower who has not been given much coverage in mainstream
is Edgar Fouche. Fouche worked in a technical role for the U.S. Air Force for over
20 years and in 1998 published details of an aerial vehicle he claims has been
developed in secret by the N.S.A. and U.S.A.F. The performance characteristics
are mind boggling, using a field propulsion. In this lecture Richard argues that
NASA is effectively a cover organisation to keep the public amused. The more
advanced space vehicles and exploration programme have been secretised and
are being kept well away from public scrutiny. Are you happy about this?

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In the above documentary Richard plays an interview with channel 4
film executive about a up coming doc by a comedian that will probably
be another hit piece , but we will see a very good telephone conversation.

4 Press...


Channel 4 beams up The Big E.T. Conspiracy (w/t)

07 Aug 2014
Coming soon, News Releases



Channel 4 has commissioned a one-off documentary from Plum Pictures that will
meet British people who believe in extra-terrestrial conspiracy theories.

Writer and comedian Dan Schreiber will travel across the UK to meet an array of
Brits who believe there is a global conspiracy to cover up alien visits to Earth. In
meeting these characters, Dan plans to discover why so many people of all walks of
life are captivated by extra-terrestrial mysteries. Along the way, he’ll hear
extraordinary theories on why authorities could be hiding the existence of aliens,
and how extra-terrestrial beings may already be walking among us.

Commissioned by Anna Miralis for Channel 4, this one-hour documentary will
include accounts from those who claim to have experienced close encounters,
interviews with leading experts in the ufology community and individuals who have
dedicated their life’s work to uncovering the alleged alien cover-ups.

As well as stand-up comedy, Dan’s career highlights include co-creating BBC Radio
4’s Museum of Curiosity and being a researcher/’Elf’ for BBC Two’s QI. Speaking
about the project, Dan comments: “Channel 4 have let me loose on my first ever
TV documentary to meet people who may have had contact with aliens. I’m
fascinated by conspiracy theories - the stories, the people and the connections they
make. This isn't about proving them right, or debunking them, it's just an
appreciation for some fantastic mind-blowing ideas.”

Will Daws, Executive Producer at Plum Pictures added: “Dan is an exciting new
presenter who brings a fresh insight into the world of the ET conspiracy theories.
He has embarked on a mysterious journey full of claims of strange sightings and
government cover ups, but never loses his sense of awe at being introduced to
some of the country’s best-known conspiracy theorists.“

Anna Miralis, commissioning editor for Documentaries at Channel 4, said: “We all at
some point consider whether we’re alone in the universe, and some have made it
their mission to convince the world that we aren’t. We’re excited to be working with
Plum Productions and Dan on this doc. His warm humour and genuine passion for
the topic make him the perfect frontman for the programme.”

The Big E.T. Conspiracy (w/t) is a 1 x 60 minute documentary from Plum Pictures.
It is directed by Daniel Lucchesi and executive produced by Will Daws.



http://www.channel4.com/info/press/n...conspiracy-w-t

[Cidersomerset]

The Apollo Moon Landings by Marcus Allen

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LVR2WTK20Ig

Published on 15 Dec 2013


From his experience as a professional photograph Marcus Allen points the lens at
NASA's photographic record of what is stated as being Mankinds greatest
achievement - Landing a man on the Moon and returning him to Earth. A feat
undertaken by the U.S. military between 1969 - 1972. Marcus demonstrates a
plethora of problems with the photographic record that indicates only that the
record is falsely being promoted as the authentic record of that historic period of
the US Space flight history.

Marcus Allen presented "The Apollo Moon Landings" at the 5th British Exopolitics
Expo held at the University of Huddersfield on September 28th 2013.

[Cidersomerset]

Was It Only a Paper Moon Apollo hoax James M Collier 1997

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=x4veJ5PpIT0

Published on 17 Jul 2013


Did America really go to the Moon. . .or were
taxpayers just taken for a ride?

"More evidence against the moon landings. A 90 minute video by Jim Collier, who
held the notion that there never were any moon landings. his nagging doubts led
him to make this film. A few years later, he died."

This 2-hour report by James Collier, author of "VOTESCAM: The Stealing of
America" includes new evidence videod in the Johnson Space Center in Houston --
and questions whether NASA was guilty of spending billions of taxpayer money --
to stage the greatest theatrical hoax of all time.

This video demands answers from the U.S. Government before we go to Mars.

1) Was the hatch between the Command Module & the Lunar Module too small for
the space-suited astronauts to pass through no matter what contortions they could
go through to try?

2) Did the front hatch of the Lunar Module open inward making it impossible for
the astronauts to exit the cramped LM?

3) Was there actually no NASA manual instructing the astronauts how to get out of
the LM, leaving it up to each individual to figure that out for himself? (As told on
camera to Collier by Frank Hughes, Chief of Astronaut Training at NASA)

4) Was the 10-foot Rover too long to fit into the 5-foot side of the LM?

Collier challenges NASA to disprove the above in a public demonstration to
American taxpayers! This investigation and that of others, including investigator Bill
Kaysing, who is now suing Astronaut James Lovell for slander (jury trial, Santa
Cruz, Ca., Oct. 7th), cannot be ignored.

[araucaria]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Watch:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE

Read more: NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/03/1...diation-belts/

This video is just as exciting and new as when it was first made in circa 1962, in the days before car safety belts and mandatory crash helmets for motorcyclists, when everyone was breathing in asbestos and when like the rest of us astronauts were tough cookies who didn't need protection against radiation.

Wow, 'splashdown' is a word I hadn't heard in decades: did Clif High see that coming?

[swoods_blue]

I think Icke is late to this party, and mis-reports what the engineer is actually saying... As if NASA is going to publish a PR video that effectively conceded humans were bound to low Earth orbit. Obviously, that's not happening.

The Orion EFT-1 mission launched December 5, 2014. The experimental capsule went about 3,600 miles into space aboard a ULA Delta IV Heavy rocket, making a highly elliptical orbit, high-speed reentry and splashdown. Actual manned missions will launch on the SLS (Space Launch System) rocket, which is still under development. You can read all sorts of coverage of the mission (or just scan the headlines for an overview) here:

http://spaceflightnow.com/tag/eft-1/

The video was made last year in the run-up to the launch. Icke is a bit late to this party, as this video was discussed somewhere on here at the time.

The electronics systems on the Orion capsule are far, far beyond anything that was on the original Apollo capsules. Hundreds of physical switches and buttons have been replaced by lighter touchscreens, and there are far more sensors, etc. on the craft. The chips operate at far higher clock speeds, and involve almost inconceivably more minute circuitry. Apollo-era lessons in spacecraft design and radiation shielding wouldn't necessarily apply. The craft was also designed with much longer-term missions in mind (i.e.: Mars). It's a totally different vehicle, apart from the Apollo's general overall shape. And I'd not be surprised if it included plenty of classified tech, too.

Anyhow, his concerns about shielding the craft from the radiation of the VA belts seems perfectly sensible, and the machine had to be tested under real-world conditions. Which is what they did.

I'm not saying NASA has an exemplary record of honesty, but in this case, I think the video is exactly what it appears to be -- a routine bit of PR.

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
He does not flat out say they cannot get past Van Allen Belts as article suggests.
But if we have been through them in the Apollo programme you would of thought
it should not be the problem he suggests. Anyway interesting subject as always...

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NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts

Monday 16th March 2015 at 09:18 By David Icke




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(VIDEO) NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts

March 14, 2015 By 21wire 58 Comments

21st Century Wire says…



‘If this does not get the skeptics going wild on the moon debate, we don’t know what will.

In the video presentation above, NASA engineer Kelly Smith explains about many of the
risks and pitfalls surrounding the new Orion Deep Space Mission to the planet Mars.

Surprisingly, chief among Kelly’s concerns is whether or not his spacecraft can
successfully pass through the perilous Van Allen Radiation Belts. Such is the prospective
danger in fact, that NASA will have to send a dumbie craft first in order to ‘test out’
what the potential radiation effects will be on future human crews, as well as on the
ship’s delicate sensors and equipment.’

Hold on. Why the guessing game by NASA? Why don’t they just use the same 1969
technology they are said to have used on the first Apollo moon missions?

SuperPerformance72 explains, “This video released by NASA about the upcoming Orion
space exploration craft, shows a NASA scientist admitting that they still haven’t worked
out how to properly shield the spacecraft from the radiation emitted from the Van Allen belts.”

Watch:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE

Read more: NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/03/1...diation-belts/

[iceni tribe]

How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off.

http://apolloreality.atspace.co.uk/

[Mari]

In reply to 'cidersomerset' & the CH4 documentary post above:
I tend to cringe whenever CH4 comes up with a documentary about 'alternative' subjects because I just know that by the end of the programme they will have debunked (or try to) the subject in question. They roll out the professional 'skeptics' - Chris French, anyone? who, because of their 'expert' status, feel they have the subject in their back pocket.
Whether its NDE's, UFO's, crop-circles, men on the moon, or anything outside of the 'consensus', the result is usually the same.
One notable exception was the 'David Icke - was he right?' documentary which they featured & repeated a few years ago. The bias there was, I think, on David's side - what a refreshing change!
All was well until dear old 'expert' Chris French was rolled on to do his usual debunking near the end.
CH4 tries, but can't quite bring itself yet to step right out of that box & champion what the rest of us have been saying, thinking & knowing for years.

[Cosmored]

Here's a relevant article. I'm going to post the whole thing in case it goes off-line.

http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm
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Did NASA steal $30 Billion to Fake
The Apollo Moon Landings?
Home Paper Moon Page

ARTICLE IN MEDIA BYPASS MAGAZINE, SEPT. 1997
THE VAN ALLEN ENIGMA
By Phylis and James Collier

In the early 1950's, a 35-year-old State University of Iowa physics professor and some of his students were cruising the cold waters ofnorthern Canada and the Atlantic Ocean, sending a series ofrocket-carrying balloons- which they dubbed "rockoons" - 12 to 15 miles into space.

They were trying to measure the nature of low-energy cosmic raysswirling around the earth. The experiments continued for five more years. Then, in 1958,Professor James Van Allen discovered his monster. Suddenly, his instrumentation warned of a giant beast of a thing, spewing enough deadly radiation counts to kill any human who ventured into its domain unprotected.

Van Allen and his students weren't sure of the size, shape and texture of the monster, they just knew they had encountered an incredible phenomenon.

Then, in l958, as part of the International Geophysical Year (a year in which men like James A. Van Allen were praised for exploring the realms of time and space) the young professor asked the U.S. military to send his experiments deeper into space, this time using a Geiger Counter to measure the intensity of the radiation. He further requested the most sophisticated rockets that would penetrate l00,000 miles into space.

That's when the monster grew all encompassing. It appeared to surround the entire earth and extend out some 65,000 miles, maybe even 100,000 miles. The Geiger Counter confirmed that the region above the earth, and in the path of the rocket, was cooking with deadly radiation. That radiation was born from solar flares that would race through the universe and become trapped by the earth's magnetic field. A deadly mixture of protons and electrons.

It was then that Van Allen realized the Aurora Borealis, the northern lights, was actually a visual manifestation of that tremendous energy from the sun. You could actually see the radiation swirling in a magnificent and deadly dance. His eventual finding of two such lethal radiation belts, put his name in the history books as the man who discovered the Van Allen Radiation Belts. There was an inner belt and an outer belt. The inner belt went from 40 degrees north and south of the Equator and was basically a doughnut surrounding the earth. Scientific experiments conducted by Van Allen and the military proved that belt was so deadly that no human could survive in its orbit. The outer belt was equally as destructive, and separated from the inner belt by an area of lesser radiation.

Van Allen's conclusion was delivered in a speech to the Academy of Science in 1959. He warned future space travelers they would have to race through these two zones on their way to outer planets.

"All manned space flight attempts must steer clear of these two belts of radiation until adequate means of safeguarding the astronauts has been developed" he said. Moreover, Van Allen advised they would have to be shielded with some extra layers of protection beyond that of the spacecraft itself. These findings were also published in Scientific American Magazine, March, 1959.

Two years later, Van Allen updated his report in Space World Magazine, December, 1961. In brief, he reported that everything he had found in 1959 was still valid. It was also in that year that President John F. Kennedy told an assembled group of students and dignitaries at Rice University in Houston, that it was America's destiny to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. With that statement, the space race become a political game, worth 30 billion in taxpayer dollars to the winners. National Aeronautic and Space Administration (NASA), which is part of the Department of Defense and the CIA, became the caretaker of Kennedy's dream.

It was their job to build a spacecraft that would meet Van Allen's scientific requirements of safety through the radiation belts. Van Allen stated that the ship's skin, made of aluminum, would not be enough protection for the astronauts. Extra shielding of lead or another substance that would absorb the radiation would be needed. That, of course, posed the problem of weight. More weight created a booster problem. In other words, they would need a bigger rocket to carry a ship that was properly lined against radiation penetration. One of the most interesting of Van Allen's findings was that once protons and electrons hit the aluminum skin of the spacecraft, they would turn into x-rays. The kind the average dentist protects patients against with two inch lead vests. Those rays would naturally penetrate the astronaut's bodies and create anything from nausea and vomiting to eventual death, depending on the length of the exposure.

All of this scientific data presented a big problem for NASA. How could they build a spacecraft that would meet radiation standards and yet get off the ground?

The National Committee on Radiation Protection (NCRP) and the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) had established low "permissible doses" of radiation at levels that were consistent with living on earth. However, where the critical dosage on earth might be 5 rems of radiation in a year, the astronauts would receive that amount within minutes passing through the lower zone of the radiation belt.

In order to penetrate Van Allen's belt, in l965 NASA requested the two regulatory groups modify the existing standards for space flight. It was simply a matter of "risk over gain" and NASA convinced them to change the standards and allow them to take the risk. Whether or not future astronauts would be advised of these dramatically lowered standards and substantial risk is unknown at this time.

The next problem NASA faced was the shielding of the spacecraft. It was solved in a report NASA issued in Aerospace Medicine Magazine in 1965 and 1969. The report was written prior to the first Apollo mission to the moon.

NASA announced that a simple aluminum skin on the command module was enough to protect astronauts from lethal doses of radiation. This conclusion was based on studies NASA had conducted. Now NASA had ingeniously solved their two basic problems, protection and weight. They had eliminated the danger of radiation penetration, along with the problem of radiation shielding and spacecraft weight. We telephoned North American Rockwell, the builder of the Command Module which carried the astronauts to the moon and back. They verified that the craft was not protected by any additional shielding.

It was at this point in our research that we realized the Van Allen Report had been seriously compromised by NASA. Professor Van Allen had become an icon in the scientific community for warning of radiation dangers. One of his most important tenets was that even if you raced quickly through the 65,000 mile belt, which starts 400 miles above the earth's surface (thus allowing for inner space travel) you would still need considerable additional shielding. Were his findings now bogus? We had to speak to Van Allen.

Professor James A. Van Allen now 83, is Professor Emeritus in Geophysics at the University of Iowa. Our first question was why he did not speak up after NASA's claims and defend his original findings. Astonishingly, he told us that his seminal Scientific American article
in 1959 was merely "popular science."

"Are you refuting your findings?" we asked.

"Absolutely not," he answered, "I stand by them." In the next breath, Van Allen again acquiesced to NASA's point of view. He became positively mercurial in his answers. Basically he defended NASA's position that any material, even aluminum without shielding, was adequate to protect the astronauts from the radiation he once called deadly. When we asked him the point of his original warning about rushing through the Belt, he said, "It must have been a sloppy statement." So there we were, down the rabbit hole, chasing Van Allen through halls of mirrors. Was he taking the line of least resistance to government pressure? Was he trashing his own report in order not to be labeled a whistle blower? Could this renowned scientist actually be capable of a "sloppy statement" and blatant hyperbole published in a scientific journal?

If you don't believe we went to the moon, then you will say that NASA created the perfect cover story. It allowed them to continue receiving funding for a spacecraft they could not build, to enter a region of space they could not penetrate. If you believe we went to the moon, then you have to disregard Van Allen's years of research and published findings. You would also have to believe that aluminum, and not lead, is adequate protection against radiation in the very heart of the Belt. . .exactly the spot where Apollo rocket ships entered from Cape Canaveral in Florida.
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Here's some more stuff I've found.

http://apollotruth.atspace.co.uk/
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There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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This link is dead but I saved part of the article.
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldogleb...oooo/id82.html
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To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers.
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http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
http://hugequestions.com/Eric/MoreIn...Challenge.html
https://youtube.com/watch?v=f2rotplZn0g
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pcytzf7PkRA
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J6DhY1NvmIc
https://youtube.com/watch?v=T1ltWMbHdDU
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mnckudD9oa8
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LiTzo3G_hvo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dFiIR7hA1rM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=toI1Xw9paW4
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9xlKooAbKpM
(23 parts)

[Cidersomerset]

Obviously we did not go to the moon and Russia knew it

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1UzHcavypY

Published on 6 Dec 2012


Science proves that NASA faked the moon landings - Moon landing Hoax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7pzg...

[Cidersomerset]

just noticed article sort of related on BBC news page...

'Jade Rabbit' went a bit quite..........


China’s Yutu ‘Jade Rabbit’ still working – but immobile


http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/mi...king-immobile/


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China aims for Moon's far side

7 hours ago..From the section Science & Environment


Lunar far sideImage copyright NASA

The lunar far side would be an excellent place to site a radio telescope

China is planning the first ever landing of a lunar probe on the far side of the Moon, an engineer has said.
The Chang'e 4 mission is planned for sometime before 2020, Zou Yongliao from the Chinese Academy of
Sciences told state broadcaster CCTV.Mr Zou said the mission's objective would be to study geological
conditions on the moon's far side.

This could eventually lead to the placement of a radio telescope for use by astronomers.

The Moon's far side would be shielded from radio transmissions from Earth, making it an excellent
location for sensitive instruments.China's next lunar mission is scheduled for 2017, when it will a
ttempt return samples of lunar soil and rock to Earth.

If successful, China would become only the third country after the US and Russia to have successfully
carried out such a mission.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34201946