Bill/Clif

[eaglespirit]

There are many people of Bill and Clif's age group that are an instrumental part of these changes now occurring that feel this would be an extremely important and empowering talk that would set in motion the opening of energies that will help many more "see" their own role in this rhythm of change and will prompt them into their own direct actions to influence and upgrade these changes for the good of humanity and earth.

I do not know Bill or Clif personally...but I know this talk will be listened to and watched by a great number of people that will be nudged into full action in this rhythm of change...ALL for the better!




http://www.halfpasthuman.com/Nicedoggie.html

This is not an anti Bill Ryan rant. My bitch is with the language that he is trying to push out and lay upon the alternative media community. Since i count myself in that group, i choose to respond this way to his words. Get that....it is his language that is rasping on my bones, not him. In point of fact, i have an open invitation to Bill Ryan to come and sail with me in Q'oki-oki and to gnaw on universe together. He is free to video, but if he does, so will i. Should he accept, i would also ask questions, so it would be an exchange, and not an interview. This invitation is still open, and i hope he is not offended by my critique of his language. If i were to use language as he has in this video, i would greatly appreciate someone beating my head with it...a 'hey dude! WTF, eh?'. My point is to encourage Bill (and everyone reading) to examine their own assumptions and views of universe which continuously leak out in their words...in this case, not so much a leak but a flood...(watch that word...AU is not the end of it by any means, but that is for another report), and here we need to end with a very clear statement to Bill Ryan. In spite of how you may receive my words in criticism of yours, i do not mean any disrespect of you, the human. But i do invite you to review your own video and then debate my conclusions about what is actually on view to universe.

[Bill Ryan]

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Not a chance.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Worthy of some thought I would say...

It would be interesting Bill...you gotta admit.



On a serious note...

It would be great to bounce of both your opinions

I think it would be a very interesting disscussion.

viking

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by viking (here)
I think it would be a very interesting disscussion.

I doubt it! (Read the post on his website.)

[Celine]

antagonistic posts ...do not lead to proper communication

[majapahit]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I doubt it! (Read the post on his website.)

what is confused is the estimation concerning 'the enemy'

1. they're invincible and for some rapport you'll need to communicate with this 15' fire spewing dragon monster .. with some deference
2. Me cowboy, I kill you .. the american stance, the same people that, when lowered by rope in a Dulce hole, immediately start shooting at something looking alien, and lost that battle

3. though 'on paper' invincible .. some intuition tells me (us?) that, perhaps, we'll never win on the present battlefield paradigm .. but they won't either

because we're expecting a change of the paradigm

of course we have to realize .. they do that too

so these are interesting times for sure, mt

[shiva777]

yeah,I don't often agree with Cliff High's predictive work but he's really nailed it here....read Cliff's post and THINK people

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/Nicedoggie.html

[Bill Ryan]

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If I end up in LA in the next few weeks (possible - but not fixed at all), I'd like to do an on-camera Futuretalk on this with Kerry and David Wilcock.

David is already familiar with the basic premises, and was intrigued. That three-way conversation might be a lot of fun.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

What ever happened to Cliffs World shattering 'tipping point' Oh yeah i remember, absolutely nothing. Cliff has already revealed his true colours with the whole 'Baldrishi' fiasco.

[shiva777]

yeah,Cliff is still sticking to his "tipping point" story as being accurate...lol....but the points he raises regarding Bill and Charles are well worth considering...Bill wouldn't stand a chance if he were to do a direct interview with Cliff concerning this charles stuff though.

..Kerry in her blogs has pretty much torn the charles story to shreds already and Wilcock would most likely say that the Chinese are going to save the day anyway and there is no need to dialogue with anyone as they have already lost in Wilcock's mind

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
yeah,Cliff is still sticking to his "tipping point" story as being accurate...lol....but the points he raises regarding Bill and Charles are well worth considering...Bill wouldn't stand a chance if he were to do a direct interview with Cliff concerning this charles stuff though.

..Kerry in her blogs has pretty much torn the charles story to shreds already and Wilcock would most likely say that the Chinese are going to save the day anyway and there is no need to dialogue with anyone as they have already lost in Wilcock's mind

*Im off to check Kerry's Blog out* hehe

[Heartsong]

Cliff is a bit passive/aggressive. Passive in that he denies that he wishes ill of Bill-the-person, aggressive in that he can spew such venom at Bill's words. Not a person to be chummy with I'd say. Keep your distance Bill, you've better things to do.

[Limor Wolf]

"My point is to encourage Bill (and everyone reading) to examine their own assumptions and views of universe ..."

There might be some valid points here,but it all vanish away with the choosing of words and the overtone in Cliff 's words.

i'm out of here.

[giovonni]

Bill, Cliff, Kerry and David ~ Now i would pay for that one!

[TheChosen]

Cliff is well read, has a lot of knowledge (this reason is well worth listening to him) .. but his mindset is .. well .. stuck at some level that I can't even identify . Too much doom & gloom and failed predictions for my taste in the last 3 years coming from him. He should have learned the lesson by now and changed his attitude.. it doesn't appear he has or has any intention of doing so. Simply said I personally don't give any third chances.. if someone is giving me information that most of the time does not correspond with the observable reality.. its time to move on.

[GK76]

That report from Cliff is pure class... Damn it! My new years resolution was to stop sarcasm (yay I'm free). Oh well there's always next year... I guess that's what Cliff keeps telling himself with those predictions too, he meant 2011.

To be honest, regardless of all the chat about the 'Charles' (from all camps), I'm still in the belief that we should be ever vigilant, but where to draw the line with someone (Charles) who seems to be trying to help? Well, I wish the guy no harm, I guess this whole issue has a lot of people caught up in a kind of prejudice. The kind I personally haven't seen yet in the truth movement arena, I guess we're all learning still... did we ever stop?

P.S. I think you made the right choice concerning the challenge from Cliff... take the higher path.

[sjkted]

Posted by giovonni (here)
Bill, Cliff, Kerry and David ~ Now i would pay for that one!

I would too, actually.

Btw, is Bill British? I thought he was Swiss.

--sjkted

[Teakai]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I doubt it! (Read the post on his website.)

Oooeer, I do find myself agreeing with Clif.

It would make an interesting interview.

Having just taken a look at the video link: I thought you said on another thread that the information given out by Charles' was sanctioned and that's why he's not dead as a doornail, but you said on this current video link that Charles himself had decided not to play along with their plans. It all seems very contradictory.

Do you think the 'ptb' still see you as a problem, Bill?

[Malcolm Linus]

In my opinion, it would be a waste of time to have a discussion with someone who can't criticize his own methods when they fail to give the results intended. In fact, I wouldn't even call it a discussion. More like a monologue with other voices in the room.

[Teakai]

Posted by HURRITT ENYETO (here)
What ever happened to Cliffs World shattering 'tipping point' Oh yeah i remember, absolutely nothing. Cliff has already revealed his true colours with the whole 'Baldrishi' fiasco.

Hi Hurrit - I don't know a great deal about tipping points - or about Clif - but one thing to consider is that what constitutes a tipping point may not take place right in front of your eyes. It may well be some subtle unseen shift that takes us past the point of taking another path. Like now - the economy is going down - there's no saving it. But people sat in their lounge chairs watching the footy while this whole thing was in motion - so they totally missed any tipping point.

I think I might have to look some more into Clif's work.