Time is NOT an Illusion

[Baby Steps]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Baby Steps (here)
Do you know if time runs faster in higher dimensions?

Much slower usually which is given by the age/maturity of the particular system where life is allowed to strive .



/yet , also , such systems preserve comparably massive amounts of energy compared to younger star systems, for example .
So by the amount of energy invested to the momentum ..the time factor is quantified , that's to say .. it reaches better equilibrium with space .. and the whole time-space is more lively , more flexible than the one here .


So in that we may also observe how Time has its own Time progress ... in levels ..

Thanks, Captain A!

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[Agape]

Can you hear me ? ( to the tunes 'I'm sailing' ) says ET and waits for dial tune ..


Thanks back

[ghostrider]

we are really only counting the rotation of Earth and it's rotation around the sun ... I wonder if the Earth sat still like the moon , how would we count time ??? interesting thread BTW ... it's good to learn to embrace possibilities ...

[Sunny-side-up]

I personally think this whole realm/matrix is an illusion.
We are not who or what we really are, neither is our so called universe of matter, our realm.

So all is illusion including any concept of time.

Time as we know it is a large part of our-jails-bars, it's in the equation to limit us, confine us, jail us. The more I accept any concept of time in such away the more I feel empowered and real.

One day we will really know who or what we are and see the big picture.

[Jake]

Time is the rate at which we notice change around us,, and the rate of noticeable change is different for each of us,,, AND is different for different groups of beings... So, time is,, AT LEAST subjective to the observer,, showing the RATE of time to be a myth, altogether... (no observer,, NO time,,, sound familiar? ) There is a style of traditional OBE that I have labeled a 'real time' projection,, it is the non-physical locale closest to the physical that seems to be in real time.. There are time slips in this locale, meaning that I may experience a scene from 1945 outside my house,, but I am still aware of the 'passing of moments'.. Trying to notice rates of change in MUCH higher vibratory states of being will become impossible, as we are vibrating faster than physicality. Observing the physical spectrum from faster/higher states of being,, brings the physical world to a STOP... (from your point of view)... Beyond a real time projection there is no need for time,, though if you like,, you can always become aware of 'passing of moments',, if you prefer...

If I pop over into your head, and you into mine,, we'd be immediately baffled by the different colors we see.. lol... we have all labeled them the same words,, so we dont realize that we are all seeing different colors.... do you see? Rates of change and observation are completely different for each observer... Ye, quite illusory! !!

Einstein observed an insseparability between space and time,, ie,,, if I walk accross a room, I am traveling through space, but it takes a couple of seconds, so I am also traveling through time... no way around it... SPACETIME.. Space is a concept of physicality,, and NOT all worlds or 'domains' are limited by physicality... Therefore,, not all worlds are limited by Time...


We humans carry the ability to transcend our physical bodies, and therefore get to step outside of the illusion... When we do, we exist in a non-physical Astral or even Mental environments that do not require passing of moments..

The insseparability of space and time are only for physical points of view.. A new physics (set of axioms) are coming into view.. We are like monkeys,, peering out of a tree,, only now realizing that it was just a tree...


Use your illusions,,,
Jake

[Natalia]

Song about time travel

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I00tfkTaOw0

[Rich]

Poor ET he didn't know there was an extra charge for interplanetary phone calls.
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Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
One day we will really know who or what we are and see the big picture.

I've seen this personality/human from my higher mind he was
absolutely tiny it became so obvious and I had the thought ''this is NOT me''.
And now we get to experience the affect of our imagination,
as if it was a huge journey through time and space while for our higher
mind it was just a tiny passing thought....
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Great explanation Jake, although I don't understand why you say that time and space are not connected in other dimensions.
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[OMG]

Definition: Time is a succession of instants while space is a system of associated points.

I always liked that definition from the Urantia Book.
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-...time-and-space

[Wind]

Time is certainly relative and we experience it subjectively.

For instance animals like my dog don't have the same kind of sense about time... They are only living in the eternal moment of now. We humans often live in the past through our memories or in the future through the feelings of hope or fear. It sometimes takes a lot effort just to remain in this moment of now, because of our thoughts. There is no "time" in eternity. Good discussion btw.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DzS77izJ13w

[ljwheat]

I agree that time is a passage of moments, like a motion picture passing before a lens. That is the human condition we all are trapped in a bubble of NOW, every time one stops long enough to examine one frame or put anything on pause. its always now. People talk about ancients, no matter how fare back you go millions or billions or trillions or eons before concepts of time and movement one can not escape the eternal moment.

It's like trying to find the screen your seeing this screen on in your head. Where is seeing what your seeing seen? Is seeing just a thought? or just a perception of trillions of brain cells firing all in the same moment. So where is this sight your seeing in this moment. awareness you now say? Then one moment built on the next is just a construct of moments real or none real makes no difference, "What is always was" what was always will be, in the now.

Constructs with out end, its only were the lens of perception is focused is how this computer and our brain lay's it just in front of us to view. who is the watcher on this side of the looking glass. All ways ever present the part of us that's not part of this world but in it? this is why so many say time is an illusion. find the screen your seeing this screen on. then the illusion may take shape as just presumption.


Look at deep Space, where is time with out a reference point , like up - down - right or left. it will exist only if we look at it. thoughts only make it so..........

Time fly's when not looked at. Coma no passage of thought, so time stops for that individual, One can only remember back into child hood as fare as the concept of the passage of time is learned. at the moment when your parents said to you wait ! and your reaction to it was Cry. wait what is wait? all you knew was now, and your need is now. and all your thinking was about the now.

[DeDukshyn]

"Time is not an illusion"

This statement is true and not true. We do have false beliefs in time -- we tend to believe time acts linearly -- this is an illusion. Time does not behave linearly, so that aspect of our definition of time is an illusion.
Does time "exist"? Well, it might be rather hard to deny it's existence, but there are still questions, like does consciousness affect the subjectivity of time itself?

I am not sure that anyone who says "time is an illusion" is actually trying to deny its existence -- but rather to deny the qualities we have been led to believe about it without proof and in denial of some of our (like myself)'s experiences with it.

I have personally experienced several vivid instances of myself connecting back or(and) forward in time but not separated by locale (same location but experienced more than one "time" at once, at that location). Scientists might tell me that is impossible - but it obviously was possible because it happened to me, indicating we believe falsities about our relationship with time.

My 2 cents on that

[Jake]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Poor ET he didn't know there was an extra charge for interplanetary phone calls.
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Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
One day we will really know who or what we are and see the big picture.

I've seen this personality/human from my higher mind he was
absolutely tiny it became so obvious and I had the thought ''this is NOT me''.
And now we get to experience the affect of our imagination,
as if it was a huge journey through time and space while for our higher
mind it was just a tiny passing thought....
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Great explanation Jake, although I don't understand why you say that time and space are not connected in other dimensions.
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Well,, in my experience,,, ALL dimensional locales are a product of the higher consciousness that created it... Space is part of the illusion of physicality... in a pure mental environment, there are no 'objects' and no 'space' to notice a rate of change of... The thoughts and impressions in our pure being are what we are. No rate of change,, no time... Though,, like I said,,, we can (if we prefer) create a sense of time and become 'aware of the passing of moments'. But even that is a creation, and illusory... (in that example, we created time, but not space...)

I believe that there are vast quantities of physical universes.. physical spacetime universes... Not just the ONE... I will sometimes refer to a physical universe as a 'stardust' universe,, dense, earthy, , made of SAND... Observing a rate of changes in a physical locale creates the illusion of time,,, ie,,, THE SANDS OF TIME!!!!

The further we are from the physical belief system territories,, the less we observe its changes.. No observation of change means No Time...

I have a place that I go sometimes when I leave my body... Not this world, but another physical world,, another life.. (only been back a couple of times, really..) In this place, I am on a beach with a woman.. we are in love.. I am napping and dozing off.. each time I wake,, she giggles and says something like "see there, you did it again,, you were day dreaming." To which I denied, but doze off again... Only to wake with her giggling again. She says something like "Where do you go???"

I do not have the words to explain to her that I am living another life as a musician, on another planet in another universe at another time..

I cannot begin to wrap my wee mind around these things as long as I cling to a definition of time.. Take time out of the equation and it makes more sense... Even Einstein knew that.. lol...

""I took a walk around the world, to ease my troubled mind..
I left my body lying somewhere in the SANDS OF TIME..
I watched the world float to the darkside of the moon.
I feel there's nothing I can't do!!""

Jake

[Johnny]

Posted by Wind (here)
Time is certainly relative and we experience it subjectively.

For instance animals like my dog don't have the same kind of sense about time... They are only living in the eternal moment of now. We humans often live in the past through our memories or in the future through the feelings of hope or fear. It sometimes takes a lot effort just to remain in this moment of now, because of our thoughts. There is no "time" in eternity. Good discussion btw.

I have a cat that sometimes dreams, but of course cats are obviously much smarter than dogs !!! Just kidding

A side effect by allowing timelessness to unfold, is that life become much more sensual, not over night, but gradually you will think less, especially if it dawns on you that thoughts are a side effect to time. And the question could be: "Is everything you think your time ??"

Maybe you should leave your location (under your avatar: collective dream)

Much love Johnny

[Wind]

Posted by Johnny (here)
I have a cat that sometimes dreams, but of course cats are obviously much smarter than dogs !!! Just kidding

Hey! My silly dog dreams all the time too, sometimes he runs and eats while dreaming. Sometimes tries to bark...

Maybe you should leave your location (under your avatar: collective dream)

Now how do I do that? I have only realized that I'm just a dreamer within a dream...

[Shadowself]

I have only realized that I'm just a dreamer within a dream...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VZyNKrYo9I4

For my own part, I have never had a thought
Which I could not set down in words
With even more distinctness that which I conceived it.
There is however a class of fancies of exquisite delicacy
Which are not thoughts and to which as yet
I have found it absolutely impossible to adapt to language.
These fancies arise in the soul,
Alas how rarely, only at epochs
Of most intense tranquillity
When the bodily and mental health are in perfection.
And those mere points of time
When the confines of the waking world
Blend with the world of dreams.
And so I captured this fancy
Where all that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4-CeOWDBoFg

[Camilo]

I feel that depending on the circumstances, time can be both, real and an illusion. Everything is relative.

[Carmody]

'Time is an illusion' is a provocative statement, for a reason.

It is to create a shock moment of perception shift.

In one context it is true, in the whole/greater context, it is not.

It would be more accurate to say that:

'Common perception on the rumination of what time is, is generally in error and notably incomplete in overall connectivity and perception envelope'

However, that, as a statement, does nothing for the 'normal' consideration of how minds or human intelligence, as tied to the biological being, how that pairing cognates or comes to the doorstep of a potential idea of life changing potential in cognition.

As a slap to the perception bundle of eyes, mind, reading, etc - the short catchy phrase, is more effective. The more correct (longer) statement provides little in the way of a 'functional' hook.

'time is an illusion' is pure market-speak, and in that is wholly effective in vital ways. Just like all proper human literature is.

It is even possible to call Shakespeare, Buddha, Jesus, Confucius, etc...among the the greatest marketing geniuses of all human history.

In the same moment...things like girl bands, boy bands, major league sports, news television channels, Lady gaga, etc, are likened to a bag of chocolate covered Turd Doritos, full of parasites and worms/toxins.

[Jayren]

Funny you post this when I actually recently had an experience with "time". Yesterday actually my mom left me with my baby sister because she needed to go to the gas station to get gas. She went to get the keys out of the room and the baby started crying because she saw her and wanted to get out the crib. So I told myself if she kept crying by 8:50 I would take her out and spend time with her but she was originally supposed to go to sleep according to my mom. So as im waiting for the time to pass it instantly leaped from 8:43 from when I first thought that to 8:46. I thought to myself no way could 4 minutes pass this quick, I wasn't suprised though because it was not the first time time for me had skipped like that. So as im still looking at the clock to see it change it wouldn't for a really long time as if it were 4 minutes in just one minute, I ignored it for a minute to reply to a message on my phone and as I look up "magically" it is already 8:50. Amazrd I thought to myself maybe I should of just picked her up from the beginning when she first started crying, but when I got her she did stop. It was cool. Time may not be just an illusion, maybe we create the time we see and we establish the illusion itsself? Maybe it was higher forces at play or maybe time itsself is not what we think it is...

[Johnny]

Posted by Wind (here)

Posted by Johnny (here)
I have a cat that sometimes dreams, but of course cats are obviously much smarter than dogs !!! Just kidding

Hey! My silly dog dreams all the time too, sometimes he runs and eats while dreaming. Sometimes tries to bark...

Maybe you should leave your location (under your avatar: collective dream)

Now how do I do that? I have only realized that I'm just a dreamer within a dream...

Right now I do not know what to answer, because I am still laughing (the picture is: both you and your dog are running around dreaming together ) I will come with an update later

Love Johnny

== update ==

That you have realized that you are a dreamer within a dream, that should wake you up, at least it did to me when I realized it for me, it was really a wake up call. I will not deny your statement. Your life is your responsibility and only yours. Take a step further, that is all I can say right now.

Much love to you, and I should sent regards from my cat to your dog

Johnny

[BF88]

All I can really say on this matter is time, as in the measurement of how long things take, is a man made idea. It is most definitely not an illusion whilst we are here experiencing it AND its existence beyond our physical reality. If time did not exist, what would? If everything happens at once surely everything also takes an eternity for without time there would be no way to measure how long everything happened at once!
What is an 'illusion' in my opinion is the nature of time. Here on Earth it is linear and you can say something happened yesterday and something will happen tomorrow perhaps. and I personally believe this to be something to do with the denseness of reality and objects in space, I was told it is something to do with the planets but can't say anything for certain on that. Once beyond the influence of physical objects my theory is that the nature of time is different, perhaps is slower or faster depending on how far away you are from large (depending on your perception) dense material. If you imagine a galaxy in a cluster of galaxies, all the clusters of galaxies have to be in some way local to each other, there must be a point that is furthest away from the clusters. This, I would imagine, is how you would measure the ACTUAL nature of time rather than the illusion of how it works that we experience.