Time is NOT an Illusion

[BF88]

Posted by Wind (here)

Posted by Johnny (here)
I have a cat that sometimes dreams, but of course cats are obviously much smarter than dogs !!! Just kidding

Hey! My silly dog dreams all the time too, sometimes he runs and eats while dreaming. Sometimes tries to bark...

Maybe you should leave your location (under your avatar: collective dream)

Now how do I do that? I have only realized that I'm just a dreamer within a dream...

My dog does that also! He can't quite get a bark out though its a bit of a squeeky sound! It's strange because he doesn't bark much when he is awake.

[InCiDeR]

I don't know what I don't know, nor do I know what I know.

Yet both positions exists simultanously.

Is there a time frame between the two positions?

Knowing comes after not knowing?

Human meme would with high probability answer yes.

Yet it is a question of pattern,

or superposition of spin.

I would say vibrational membrane of vortex.

Bounding inbound and outbound from the zero point.

A change of pattern

doesn't mean that the "old" one cease to be

somewhere else

for someone to see

it will be in the past, the present or the future

depending on who is looking.

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What defines time is human thought structure.

Without it human composition would not be in this perceived reality.

It makes the so called real real.

The darkness of the shadowless brighter

Creates colors in the reflection of the colorblind mind

The sound of silence echoes more transparent

Stabilising archetypes, flower becomes more flower

It makes the distinction between what is and what is not

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What is the similarities between a lake and the sea?

Some might say: -Water!

Yet, the composition of the water is different.

Why assume that our lake

our reality

"needs" the same components

as other lakes in the vast ripples of universes?

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Time is

where it ought to be

not so much

elsewhere

it in itself

hasn't got the time....

the time of illusion.

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therefore

I have no need to travel time
I've found the open portal
That leads into the true sublime
The timeless and immortal

[Carmody]

Posted by ljwheat (here)
I agree that time is a passage of moments, like a motion picture passing before a lens. That is the human condition we all are trapped in a bubble of NOW, every time one stops long enough to examine one frame or put anything on pause. its always now. People talk about ancients, no matter how fare back you go millions or billions or trillions or eons before concepts of time and movement one can not escape the eternal moment.

It's like trying to find the screen your seeing this screen on in your head. Where is seeing what your seeing seen? Is seeing just a thought? or just a perception of trillions of brain cells firing all in the same moment. So where is this sight your seeing in this moment. awareness you now say? Then one moment built on the next is just a construct of moments real or none real makes no difference, "What is always was" what was always will be, in the now.

Constructs with out end, its only were the lens of perception is focused is how this computer and our brain lay's it just in front of us to view. who is the watcher on this side of the looking glass. All ways ever present the part of us that's not part of this world but in it? this is why so many say time is an illusion. find the screen your seeing this screen on. then the illusion may take shape as just presumption.


Look at deep Space, where is time with out a reference point , like up - down - right or left. it will exist only if we look at it. thoughts only make it so..........

Time fly's when not looked at. Coma no passage of thought, so time stops for that individual, One can only remember back into child hood as fare as the concept of the passage of time is learned. at the moment when your parents said to you wait ! and your reaction to it was Cry. wait what is wait? all you knew was now, and your need is now. and all your thinking was about the now.

Time in the mind, and ego in the mind, reflection in the mind, anticipation in emotions and thought formation in and of ego's circle of being ,bubble of being, envelope of being, etc... all occurred at almost the exact same moment..in our youth. That first moment of 'I', that first murmurings of the 'internal voice'.

(I still remember the exact moment it happened in my mind. The whole sequence and the days, the weather, where, how, all of it)

They are tied to one another, ego being the I, the internal voice, keeper of thought formation as tied to the record of time. Thus, it is the projector of, the formative point of future as creation, due to being the record of 'past events' for the given self.

ego, reflection, memory, history, projection....emotion and thought formation dictated by that set... all as one.

And this crap is in the driver's seat.... for the vast bulk of humanity.

I'm not a 'religious' person, but god help us all.

Being unrealized, that is what makes it dangerous, as it is confused as being the self.... when it is just the body's collective highest level biological function.

[Wind]

Posted by BF88 (here)
My dog does that also! He can't quite get a bark out though its a bit of a squeeky sound! It's strange because he doesn't bark much when he is awake.

Like this?

This is a bit off topic now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xBoRilB7lRY

[Agape]

Yes we all know about Time inside our hearts , from the very subtle clock within there emanates subtle motion, impulse ..that impulse is Life ..

its first motion, first Law is Life

then only comes the Law of One

for this knowing alone

people keep shooting each other

for generations and generations ...


So we all know the Truth ... then comes the path of manifestation


...


All times are the right times in the great mandala of Kalachakra

behold the great TIMELESS MIRROR

[Agape]

You can observe your Mind through this type of hologram really well . You can observe the subtle .. formations of thoughts .. images ... ideas ... even music .

You can observe how different parts of your brain reflect upon each other .. and what speed they react . How your Mind works ..

[Jake]

Yes, a dream within a dream.. Interesting that we keep coming accross this concept, Omni... jake giggles with joy...

I intend to wake up on a beach with a beautiful woman that I love...

Until then,, I must experience Now... past and future exist ONLY in my mind...

Even then,, I will wake from the dream, , again,, and again.....


(Besides I am with that beautiful woman right now, ,, in THIS dream...)

No worries...
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily...
Jake

[Rich]

Posted by Jake (here)
I cannot begin to wrap my wee mind around these things as long as I cling to a definition of time.. Take time out of the equation and it makes more sense... Even Einstein knew that.. lol...

Jake you may find what Bright Garlic said of interest: time does not exist only space.
When you have a memory you think about the distance between what happened to where you are now,
without that distance (space) the concept of time cannot exist. If you label point a to point b as space and not time then this theory holds no flaws.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Time is only measured by the events contained within it. This is why we all experience time as speeding up.....because it actually is i believe. its happening because more is occuring in the universe. More events crammed in changes how we perceive time i believe. The early universe before chemistry and biology formed was likely a boring place, with few events taking place. time was experienced as slow probably. As our universe becomes more dynamic and grows outwards, more is happening in creation so time is perceived as speeding up. Hope i didn't derail the main topi, just my lil shamanic two cents there

[Agape]

There's a whole science of Time you are to come to unfold in future centuries .. me thinks .

If you look down to the tiniest micro particle available to you , you're left with near zero mass plus kinetic energy ,
now you can't ever separate the two . Whatever the energy potential is , it is, it comes in basic 5 categories .
In Sanskrit they are called the Tanmataras'. The root -matr in Sanskrit is almost similar in significance to the word matrix in todays English .

Both signify underlying 'grid' , subtle elementary structure that relies on 5 or 6 or how many you can name , basic principles .

So in case of these subatomic particles , you're also left with choice of 5 or 6 quantum states that define your dimensional system here .

Should you live in 12 dimensional systems of course the whole structure gets even more complicated .


Now each of these micro particles vibrates with certain frequency that again, is of 'another color' , another quality attached to it .

For example . Particle B ( yellow ) may vibrate B , C , D , E . Depending on their placement within the Timewheel , they produce different 'harmonics' ,
like a string of a violin

and last different amount of 'time' . The basic unit of time called one 'kala' lasts fraction of millisecond I think .

They together produce resonating field of certain qualities ..

that gravitate to focal points ,

that all has to do with entropy of system and pattern formation .. and why our Universe is round ..


and that's in on for tomorrow

[Omni]

Posted by Slorri (here)

Has anyone truly ascended out of time like many channeling sources claim? Short answer, No.

Equally short answer: Yes.

We can easily do this through Remote Viewing / Clairvoyance. If we do, we realize that the past and the future is always there. Everything is indeed happening at once, but it is experienced sequentially; And that is the very illusion of time.

Remote viewing anything requires time. Images in one's mind are not possible without a sequence of time present to hold them within the mind. No thoughts are possible without a construct of time IMO. Like I said in the article, time may have some illusory qualities, however it exists IMO, and no consciousness can experience anything without time. So no, IMO, nobody has ascended out of time like I meant in in that segment you quoted. I covered that premise by time potentially having some illusory qualities, just like physicality. However it does indeed exist IMHO.

To be able to remote view the future or past is not foregoing time completely(as I meant by the channeler comment). Just in that case time has illusory qualities such as the future not being the real future, and already happened. If people could remote view the future why is it nobody can predict with accuracy the full future? At best people predict events, like fukushima(which i predicted myself based on logic), but cannot predict the entire future. Anyone I've found with multiple events predicted right, has multiple events predicted wrong. What explains that?

Posted by Baby Steps (here)
Thanks, Omni,
Do you know if time runs faster in higher dimensions?

From what my contacts conveyed they said you can use technology to slow down or speed up time by altering the field of space one is in. I'm not sure time goes faster or slower in other dimensions but my guess is it's base rate is the same in other dimensions.

Posted by Finefeather (here)
There is no such thing as a manifested future...like some believe...all future is merely a state of probability, and can be changed...so to think that everything exists at the same time is incorrect and frankly quite illogical.

I agree. If everything has already happened then there is no such thing as free will or choice. I think the future is unwritten, I believe in free will being existent(although not always existent for us due to mind control tech from my life's observations). I also think all beings in existence in our multiverse exist in the present moment. I find time travel illogical too,.. I will explain my views on that if anyone is interested.

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
I personally think this whole realm/matrix is an illusion.
We are not who or what we really are, neither is our so called universe of matter, our realm.

So all is illusion including any concept of time.

I respectfully disagree. For something to be an illusion there has to be something real to contrast it to, to define an illusion(AKA not real). If everything is an illusion there is no need for the word illusion and it could be considered as real. I guess it is somewhat subjective if everything is an illusion. I don't personally jive with that belief. If everything in the multiverse is an illusion, what is real? Nothing?

Time as we know it is a large part of our-jails-bars, it's in the equation to limit us, confine us, jail us. The more I accept any concept of time in such away the more I feel empowered and real.

One day we will really know who or what we are and see the big picture.

Time allows for existence. Freedom or enslavement is not possible without time for sequences of events/thoughts. Time makes freedom or enslavement possible IMO.

[Agape]

So it is interesting in a way because for example, when you think you are touching objects or space around you , you're actually , also touching time-fields .

Now we think it's not the Space that governs Time but that it is the Time .. the more subtle category running the show ..

[wnlight]

When I pay someone by the hour, I check the time before and after because my perception can be different than the reality. The next time I hire someone by the hour, I will tell him that "time is an illusion." That way I owe him nothing. :-)

[DeeMetrios]

great reading .....
my conclusion at this present moment in my reality/life is ..... "time exists"
because in this shared reality upon gaia , we have scientific historical & visual evidence of time passing , eg children & flowers growing , fruit & meat spoiling if not stored etc etc .....
So Im with Omni on this topic > time exists because i believe "the Bosnian Pyramids are real " and the "Yonaguni monuments are man made & not natural formations"
cheers

[ZooLife]

Posted by wnlight (here)
When I pay someone by the hour, I check the time before and after because my perception can be different than the reality. The next time I hire someone by the hour, I will tell him that "time is an illusion." That way I owe him nothing. :-)

Better yet.....Monopoly money....same diff.

[Omni]

Just got this thought:

Time might be a major thing that is truly timeless(in that it has no beginning or end in saying timeless). I do not believe time had a beginning.

[13th Warrior]

Agape,

I often cannot comprehend your messages but, this one on the relativity of time/space i do believe I fully get your point and agree.

[T Smith]

araucaria beat me to it... time is a dimension. It has concrete measurement, in terms of past, present, future. The measurements are not illusory, but they are only the dimensions of a holistic reality. You could say past, present, and future "exist all at once" which is what people mean when they claim "time is an illusion". But to throw your premise a bone, that doesn't mean the measurements themselves, e.g. past, present, future, are illusions, any more than up, down, or sideways of a cube are illusions.

Just as up does not depend on down or sideways, or down does not create sideways or up, these dimensions exist irrespective of each other and in a holistic sense regardless or our measurement (or perception) of them separately or linearly. In other words, the dimensions we assign to space are but conceptual constructs by which we understand space.

The dimensions we assign to time, specifically the cause/effect element that transmogrifies the present from the past to the future, are also but conceptual constructs by which we understand time. They are a set of dimensions that exist simultaneously in the present. Our consciousness (what we call present) continuously alters the landscape of these dimensions, kinda how a kaleidoscope alters the landscape of it's intertwining reflections by adjusting the tube. The analogy fits because the mirrors ensure that past and future are connected (via measurements of dimension) and follow complex mathematical rules dependent upon the present, and specifically, how we turn or adjust the tube. But in a sense, the entire landscape is but an illusion. Thus, to say, "you can't change the past," is both correct and incorrect. A more precise statement would be, "you can't change the past of the present that has already materialized the future (past and future are connected and inseparably entangled via dimension), but you can certainly change the present (which by default, changes both).

If one is tempted to discount this reasoning as illogical or incredulous (I'll grant it's certainly counter-intuitive), we need only study the strange world of quantum entanglement to understand this is precisely how things are. We can correlate two atoms (entangle them) and then separate them in time. Let's say by a million years, for sake of illustration. We can place one atom in the past and one in the future. Both atoms exist relative to their being in 3d-space in the present, but in a holistic sense, there are now two dimensions of the present, past and future, interacting with each other. Just like with a kaleidoscope, any alteration of the present in either atom instantaneously alters both the past and the future of each atom, even when separated by a million years. This is simply the reality of nature. The conclusion is inescapable: the present alters both the past and the future, the later two being illusions of the former.

I wouldn't go so far as to say the past and the future do not exist, but I do understand how the reasoning behind the ethereal claims that insist on time being an illusion.

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Just got this thought:

Time might be a major thing that is truly timeless(in that it has no beginning or end in saying timeless). I do not believe time had a beginning.

...that's only true as long as you look from within the 'time' . For anyone looking from within each dimension ( and I'm speaking of purely mathematical dimensions like space vectors, the time , space , forms , formlessness etc . ) each dimension seems 'endless' or , as they say of 'indefinite measures' .

The term 'indefinite' ( as in 'indefinite number of particles in the Universe' ) sounds similar to 'infinite' but in reality it's more like 'impossible to define' with any substantial level of certainty so we say we think it's either of those ..

Beyond that ( in dimensional sense ) though , there is a 'steady state Universe' , with or without cyclical motion . Now , it's nearly impossible to prove whether such Universe exists but periodically , it's possible to observe certain synchronicities in 'time' that may allude to such idea ,
even though - and that's until 'general relativity ' expands bit further , they are so far , forcefully explained by laws of thermo-dynamics as anomalous property of the 4D Universe people think of inhabiting .

Which is a gross underestimate on human side of matters because by the nature of abstraction and awareness beyond phenomenal existence ,
we do already operate in 6 dimensions consciously ( or less ..) here .

So if you think of 'steady state Universe' it's more like giant , mostly homogeneous mass of undifferentiated space-time that by its nature does not move a lot .
Even once there appears any motion at all .. we can't speak of time since compared to the 'mass' ( property ) it's motion factor would be insubstantial .

By long derivation from there ... which can't be 'simply done' by using directive logic since we speak of one vast infinite containing another vast infinite ,

'chaotic Universe' of motion comes to being .

It would be similar to imagine the 'mass' of the giant mirror getting heated and started cracking in irregular beats ... Universe bursting to laughter ...

So from this 'irregular beats' of several vectors ( directions or categories ) 'chaotic Universe' comes to motion ..
as long as the great 'mass' /mirror ( for your fancy imagination ) continues to crack, melting from its original steady state in waves
and repeated patterns that in result , we basically , understand as time ..

because to measure something it has to repeat itself ( like a heart beat ) and we can measure time with some accuracy ( as in the decay of Caesium atoms ) because the 'impulse' of the heartbeat of matter there is repeated so it can be also measured .


Of course , there are more cosmological theories on 'how time comes to being' , the Big Bang being one of the less fortunate .. but it became so popularised during last century ..

and in broad sense .. who knows it may be responsible even for rise of global terrorism

[Slorri]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Slorri (here)

Has anyone truly ascended out of time like many channeling sources claim? Short answer, No.

Equally short answer: Yes.

We can easily do this through Remote Viewing / Clairvoyance. If we do, we realize that the past and the future is always there. Everything is indeed happening at once, but it is experienced sequentially; And that is the very illusion of time.

Remote viewing anything requires time. Images in one's mind are not possible without a sequence of time present to hold them within the mind. No thoughts are possible without a construct of time IMO. Like I said in the article, time may have some illusory qualities, however it exists IMO, and no consciousness can experience anything without time. So no, IMO, nobody has ascended out of time like I meant in in that segment you quoted. I covered that premise by time potentially having some illusory qualities, just like physicality. However it does indeed exist IMHO.

To be able to remote view the future or past is not foregoing time completely(as I meant by the channeler comment). Just in that case time has illusory qualities such as the future not being the real future, and already happened. If people could remote view the future why is it nobody can predict with accuracy the full future? At best people predict events, like fukushima(which i predicted myself based on logic), but cannot predict the entire future. Anyone I've found with multiple events predicted right, has multiple events predicted wrong. What explains that?

I can address this, as I have some experience with it.

Firstly, I agree with you that time exist and no consciousness can experience anything without time. I add to that: illusions exist, they are real, it's just that they are something else than what they appear to be.

The fact that remote viewing (RV) takes time to perform does not matter. What matters is that we can go outside of the limitations of time. We can see now what happened yesterday. It is not guessing, not conjecture, it is not memory; It is a complete bypassing of time and space. (RV within a protocol is a scientific discipline).

This describes an ascending out of time.

Be it by RV, clairvoyance, prophetic dreams, or altered states of consciousness, but not by logic. Logic is strictly limited to the confines of space and time. Logic is illusionary.

Now, the reason why we can't accurately RV (the past or the future) is because it is difficult to RV. We struggle in our attempts of doing it. But it is possible. And that proves positively that there is no separation in space and time. This on a more fundamental level than we experience it. We definitely experience a separation in time and space in our daily life, but during RV we notice that the separation was just illusionary. An illusion we need in order to exist.

It does not prove anything about the future if we predict it wrongly. We can be wrong on just about anything. But if we predict it correctly, that proves a lot; It proves that it was there to be seen, i.e. it exist already.