Time is NOT an Illusion

[Sunny-side-up]

Groucho Marx was a good one to ask about time, here are two great quotes of his including the concept of time:

“Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.”
― Groucho Marx


“Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, and I'm going to be happy in it.”
― Groucho Marx


http://www.goodreads.com/author/quot...ho_Marx?page=1


“Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.”
― Groucho Marx

Had to add that one

[araucaria]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
Groucho Marx was a good one to ask about time, here are two great quotes of his including the concept of time:

“Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.”
― Groucho Marx


“Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, and I'm going to be happy in it.”
― Groucho Marx


http://www.goodreads.com/author/quot...ho_Marx?page=1


“Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.”
― Groucho Marx

Had to add that one

Blessed are the bananas, for their fruit shall boomerang.

Posted by araucaria (here)
Thesis: Time flies like an arrow (popular wisdom)
Antithesis: Fruit flies like a banana (G. Marx)
Synthesis: Time flies like a banana (araucaria)

[Agape]

Posted by Agape (here)
Of course , there are more cosmological theories on 'how time comes to being' , the Big Bang being one of the less fortunate .. but it became so popularised during last century ..

and in broad sense .. who knows it may be responsible even for rise of global terrorism

I think it would be helpful in fact to write long article on 'Potential Influence of Big Bang Theory on makings of Human Society'

which phenomenon touches , even indirectly , some of the core stones of human believes .. since every epoch on Earth whether religious or anti-religious had its own cosmological perspectives and sooner or later in life,
you have to confront your own opinion on matters like how big is the Universe and how it came to being .

The 'Big Bang Theory' vs 'Steady State Universe' ( neither as simple as they sound ) really does have major disadvantage ..

number one , it proposes creation 'ex nihilo ' , basically .. then tries to explain in reverse manner how possibly did the 'first singularity' come to being which leaves you with infinite number of 'previous Universes' at the end ..

but what happens then is the blast . So if you teach to people there was a 'big blast' of antimatter at the beginning and that's how it all started
and well , you're not even close to explaining the rest ..

the psychological impact on global human society is that they think that 'blast' , puff and it's sorted .

On the other hand , if you can offer sufficiently grounded theory on orderly Universe where all has its time and place and logic ,

little human minds too would start seeking more peace ..

What is more conflicting ..than the discrepancy between religious creationism ( one hand extreme, act of intelligence and loving kindness ) and Big Bang Theory ( another extreme , brute act with no higher logic than the one -you - can determine ) .



So maybe there's a hope .. for world Peace ... not in sorting religions vs science but refining and redefining some of those leading cosmological perspectives .




Anyone getting me thanks.

[araucaria]

Rupert Sheldrake:

As Terence McKenna expressed it, ‘What orthodoxy teaches about time is that the universe sprang from utter nothingness in a single moment… It’s almost as if science said “Give me one free miracle, and from there the entire thing will proceed with a seamless, causal explanation.”’ The one free miracle was the appearance of all the matter and energy in the universe, with all the laws that govern it.

This is religion slipping into science through the back door. This is how the ‘seamless, causal explanation’ covers less than 4% of the universe. Religion’s God is a seamless, single-causal explanation of the universe that also leads to trouble with a large quantity of very dark matter of its own. The Big Bang offers a similar type of highly centralized administration except we don’t have the identity of Mr Big who bangs. What science usually fails to acknowledge and religion dismisses as miracles – I say dismisses in a non-pejorative sense of promoting into the domain of the transcendent – is the existence of acausal, i.e. non time-dependent, processes on every scale – from the tiny Jungian synchronicities we can all experience to the cosmos-changing effects that anyone (perhaps not everyone) can bring about. But that is not a subject for conventional science, it is north of the North Pole as Stephen Hawkings would say.

[Slorri]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Rupert Sheldrake:

As Terence McKenna expressed it, ‘What orthodoxy teaches about time is that the universe sprang from utter nothingness in a single moment… It’s almost as if science said “Give me one free miracle, and from there the entire thing will proceed with a seamless, causal explanation.”’ The one free miracle was the appearance of all the matter and energy in the universe, with all the laws that govern it.

This is religion slipping into science through the back door. This is how the ‘seamless, causal explanation’ covers less than 4% of the universe. Religion’s God is a seamless, single-causal explanation of the universe that also leads to trouble with a large quantity of very dark matter of its own. The Big Bang offers a similar type of highly centralized administration except we don’t have the identity of Mr Big who bangs. What science usually fails to acknowledge and religion dismisses as miracles – I say dismisses in a non-pejorative sense of promoting into the domain of the transcendent – is the existence of acausal, i.e. non time-dependent, processes on every scale – from the tiny Jungian synchronicities we can all experience to the cosmos-changing effects that anyone (perhaps not everyone) can bring about. But that is not a subject for conventional science, it is north of the North Pole as Stephen Hawkings would say.

And there is also retro-causation. This affecting events that happened before them.

[Agape]

There is time within a time within you , your own time . It's where you are you , as a free being , emanation of intelligence , free expression of the Universe ..

God does not place dice ..but likewise , he/she/it does not have to repeat itself even one more times ,
and that's His sovereign choice .. you may think, you are predictable or that there are predictable events . You may be right and we may be also wrong .

The point is .. Universe and its Science embraces one Law because in reality , the whole Universe is a unique phenomenon, a happening ...


Universe is as you are . Stars can giggle or cry in your eyes .. be small or big in distance .

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9E6b3swbnWg

ET the pathetic conartist

[13th Warrior]

To put it simply; anything that has motion has a time component to it...

from the atomic spin of the atom to the orbital paths of stars, planets, galaxies, sound and light, et cetera...

The personal perception of time certainly can be illusory.

[Agape]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
To put it simply; anything that has motion has a time component to it...

from the atomic spin of the atom to the orbital paths of stars, planets, galaxies, sound and light, et cetera...

Yes because motion implies change ..and periodical repetition of these motions create resonance and resonance generates more powerful patterns of energy that give birth to matter structure ...

but behind it all , there's motion .. so there's time

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aWmj1bMR4Mo

[Agape]

A single time momentum may look something like this , a sine wave :



Imagine the horizontal and vertical lines of the graph respectively , to represent evolution of hypothetical time event .
At T 0 the event occurs , as if you break crystal vase ( i did once as a kid ) .. in sequence , one by one tiny fragments of your glass fly out one after another .
Their kinetic potential that creates 'forwards motion' creates residual 'backwards motion' that keeps holding to the 'past image' of the vase .

Thus the event creates imprint in time-space , your memory of the vase but basically, of course , you can't capture Time 0 .

Every frequency in space naturally oscillates along sine wave in order to save /condense energy , so does time .


It's one perspective of course ..


In other words , what I wanted to say is that while Universe keeps 'moving forwards' it keeps saving its own memory , image .. as imprint of past events , in many copies ..

and they can be used later to replicate events ..

[Agape]

Time is also thought of as limitless but is it ..

we think that time is cyclic occurrence ( like a beat ) , the Universal Time i mean , it has 'Days' and 'Nights' .

When so called Mahapralaya occurs ( according to Vedas ) , the 'Night of Shiva' - who represents the oldest Entity , the Universal Time ,

Universe returns to steady state . For long .. but what it does , it stores memories of previous patterns and significant events .. so next time it wakes up from the slumber and another 'Day Time' begins it can use some of its previous memories to evolve itself .

Memories - imprints are stored in form of forms ok, formations , informations , patterns .


The theory can go even beyond but I am not certain about my health insurance would cover it ..


PS : In fact , on this planet , we are closer to the true nature of the Universe than we have ever been ..

[Tangri]

Time is not an illusion, it is part of the reality which creates additional dimension and cause multiple probabilities.( but practising in daily life is.)

In humanity there is a perceptional misconception.( It is a manipulated perception disorder for modernised slavery .)

Every living being has a time, birth, grow, death, even ET life form use time but their concept of time is not look like, our hour- day- month -year scale (sun rise-down, seasonal, lunch, dinner, sleep time).

[Tangri]

It is hard to explain colour of white to a born blind person.

[Omni]

Posted by Tangri (here)
It is hard to explain colour of white to a born blind person.

Hmm good point. I find it hard to explain any color actually in that case...

[zen deik]

Remain open-minded but don't let your brain fall out

[WhiteLove]

Sure, I'll take that debate with you, but I am going deeply.

Imagine a black bullet. Does it have any boundaries? The answer is both yes and no. If you move into it up to infinity, its boundaries are not going to exist anymore. If you move out of it up to infinity, it is so limited that it does not exist anymore. Imagine that creation - the vacuum that the bullet exists in - has the same properties as the bullet. The question is then, who is looking into that? The answer: You my friend, but not the you that you are RIGHT NOW. So now we have a thesis. If I am the being peering into all that is, and if another version of me is seeing a subset of all that is HERE AND NOW, then that must mean that there are two different points in time relative to me? Or? Now let's imagine that the difference between the two versions of you is not you, but the state you are in. Now that would mean that in absolute terms the here and now is actually the same, it's the state of being that is different and takes various forms. What if that state of being exists only now? That would mean that there is only now and in now you are all states all at once. If this is the case, you would exist in infinite parallel universes all at the same time, where in each of these universes you are in a particular state of being. Let's also then assume that the tick speed is relative to each such universe, now we are dealing with multiple illusional times relative to you, but we still know that in absolute terms there is only here and now, it is the state of being that constantly varies.

Question left unanswered: Is this true?!

[Peace of Mind]

Time is simply the measurement of movement, nothing more nothing less.

Peace

[InCiDeR]

What if
the event horizon and singularities
and all other "dark" things
are more than meet the blind eye.

What if
all quantum states are recorded and entangled
to be borrowed
when the "time is right"
by someone who reaches for the jump of faith or quantum leap.

Will they jump in space or time
or just change the pattern, the "reality" surrounding them?

Does variation equals time
or is time just another variation?

----

...or maybe I just have vivid dreams....

[Agape]

Posted by WhiteLove (here)
Sure, I'll take that debate with you, but I am going deeply.

Imagine a black bullet. Does it have any boundaries? The answer is both yes and no. If you move into it up to infinity, its boundaries are not going to exist anymore. If you move out of it up to infinity, it is so limited that it does not exist anymore. Imagine that creation - the vacuum that the bullet exists in - has the same properties as the bullet. The question is then, who is looking into that? The answer: You my friend, but not the you that you are RIGHT NOW. So now we have a thesis. If I am the being peering into all that is, and if another version of me is seeing a subset of all that is HERE AND NOW, then that must mean that there are two different points in time relative to me? Or? Now let's imagine that the difference between the two versions of you is not you, but the state you are in. Now that would mean that in absolute terms the here and now is actually the same, it's the state of being that is different and takes various forms. What if that state of being exists only now? That would mean that there is only now and in now you are all states all at once. If this is the case, you would exist in infinite parallel universes all at the same time, where in each of these universes you are in a particular state of being. Let's also then assume that the tick speed is relative to each such universe, now we are dealing with multiple illusional times relative to you, but we still know that in absolute terms there is only here and now, it is the state of being that constantly varies.

Question left unanswered: Is this true?!

OK alright but that's only one bullet ..


Now imagine Universe of such fairly non existent yet flying bullets crossing the space , criss cross , in various multileveled patterns and formations ,
some stopping at fairly invisible walls .. we call 'planes' ..or be it covers of greater 'spheres' , all so intangible and hard to measure
and impossible to contain.

[Jake]

"Past, present and future all showed up at the same time!!! Yeah, it was tense... lol..."

"What do we want? TIME TRAVEL! When do we want it? (Lol)"

"I called the future and the past into a meeting,, neither one was present.."



So how fast is time traveling? How long is a moment? How long is the future? When will it get here? In what direction is time moving? Why is time always up? Is it because time flies? Can I borrow time? What is the interest rate calculated as? Why is it always today, and never tomorrow? I learned to tell time once,, it has been telling ME ever since.. does time fit under a microscope? Can we put some in a bottle for later? How does it know how to get here? If ten seconds pass in a forest, and there is nobody around to experience it, did the ten seconds ever exist?

If I travel faser than the speed of light,, time stops!! So ALL principles of time can only exist within speed of light realities,, ie,,, physical/material worlds... Time can only exist in that box.. that box, my friend,, is an illusion... Therefore, TIME is an illusion..

Cheers
jake

[Carmody]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Rupert Sheldrake:

As Terence McKenna expressed it, ‘What orthodoxy teaches about time is that the universe sprang from utter nothingness in a single moment… It’s almost as if science said “Give me one free miracle, and from there the entire thing will proceed with a seamless, causal explanation.”’ The one free miracle was the appearance of all the matter and energy in the universe, with all the laws that govern it.

This is religion slipping into science through the back door. This is how the ‘seamless, causal explanation’ covers less than 4% of the universe. Religion’s God is a seamless, single-causal explanation of the universe that also leads to trouble with a large quantity of very dark matter of its own. The Big Bang offers a similar type of highly centralized administration except we don’t have the identity of Mr Big who bangs. What science usually fails to acknowledge and religion dismisses as miracles – I say dismisses in a non-pejorative sense of promoting into the domain of the transcendent – is the existence of acausal, i.e. non time-dependent, processes on every scale – from the tiny Jungian synchronicities we can all experience to the cosmos-changing effects that anyone (perhaps not everyone) can bring about. But that is not a subject for conventional science, it is north of the North Pole as Stephen Hawkings would say.

Science is rooted in hypothesis as conjecture, conjecture based on rumination in the realm of reason, reason being a projection of mind in the act of observation. Which brings one to the idea of observation hitting the quantum wall of inseparability.

It is mirrored recursive turtles all the way down.

It's the infinity paywall fulcrum, where consciousness has to acknowledge a payment to and of it's self, in order for order to 'be'.