The earth is flat, not round. We are being mind set by Annunaki/Illuminati/TPTB

[panopticon]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Take global warming or climate change there appears to be good science on both sides, yet those scientists who do not tow the official party line receive no funding and cannot find work.

That's the line that is put out.

They get lots of funding from vested interest groups. I've listed a number at Avalon who receive finance from think-tanks and which think-tanks.

In Australia one of the major funders is the richest woman in the world (though that might have changed given the iron ore price drop) Gina Rinehart (I can natter about her family and how her father, Lang Hancock, deliberately let miners die from asbestos exposure if you want). She uses thin-tanks as a means of separation but it's only a thin veneer.

For example Ian Plimer get financing and sits on a number of mining (including coal) boards, including one of Gina's:
Rinehart appoints climate change sceptic Ian Plimer

For those who are interested in what I'm waffling on about have a look at this article:
Lord Monckton and the Future of Australian Media

Now watch this:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aX2kMAfJggU

This is the way the world works.

There are plenty of others who get trotted out when a name is needed and to muddy the waters in the same way tobacco companies did (Patrick Moore is a classic example, he gets heralded as a founder of Greenpeace etc [which is debatable] who says CO2 is good for trees,the more the merrier -- doesn't mention that he's a PR spin merchant who makes his money working for Malaysian clear fell deforestation companies and other similar interest groups).

Yeah, I feel sorry for them. Not.

-- Pan

[Hervé]

Posted by panopticon (here)
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This is the way the world works.
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-- Pan

In other disciplines, check this one out: Re: Fracking And Related Stuff

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by Wind (here)
Not everything we have been told is false and opposite of the truth, even though most of it is. I think this theory is a distraction and a silly one at that.

I'm open to almost everything, but I'm sure that so many astronauts and astral travellers could confirm the flat Earth theory not to be true. Even here in Avalon we have several times talked about this issue and it's ridiculous.

Let's just use common sense here, does the Earth look flat in this video?
It's not CGI, it truly is our Earth, Gaia. A wondrous round being.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FG0fTKAqZ5g

Such footages as the above from Wind's post and the diversity pictures such as this should put these theories to death.

A more suggestible theory which rolled in my mind many times - but felt too foolish to inquire, (and now feels adequate to the amount of foolishness prevalent on this thread : ) is the question of Earth and all other planetary bodies being a perfect round shape, like a well designed ice cream balls. Asteroids (being a fragment of planets), comets and other space debris appear in normal stone shapes, and so this one seems a little more Saucy to converse. But I googled that and recieved the following -

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...planets-round/

However, I do have my theory on that, and so we can run with the ball (pan intended) from here

[Agape]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qj2diB6fcpg

Watch your mind ...

it's definitely round, global, globular, logical , paranormal, mystical , egotistical , fascinatingly challenging , ever changing , undefinable , trying to explain it all ,
for it can ..

as if it could

[gripreaper]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uSbh2MsxdNs

[araucaria]

It is not only mainstream thinking that is under attack here: ancient knowledge rejected by mainstream thinking is too. For example, one consequence of roundness is that every place on Earth has a specific latitude and longitude that can be checked against the sun’s position there at any time.

Maurice Chatelain is not a rocket scientist, he only designed communications systems for the Apollo spacecraft.In Our Cosmic Ancestors, he traces the world’s entire weights and measures systems to ancient knowledge with local variations dependent on local conditions (i.e. latitude and longitude). At Baalbek, for example, they used a cubit of half a meter (500 mm) and a foot of 333 mm (making a yard equal to our meter). Here is a better example:

At the average latitude of Egypt, the average length of 1° of longitude is 96,000 m. If we divide this number by 320,000, we obtain a foot of 30 cm, the unit used to build the pyramid of Kephren. One cubic foot of this basic unit has a volume of 27,000 cu cm, or 27,000 g of water. This is the weight of one Egyptian talent – 27 kg. (p.133)

Hence, if latitude and longitude were known everywhere, then some off-planet, at minimum low orbital, capability seems to have been necessary. But the point relevant to this thread is that there is a match between the weights and measures used in ancient times at any given point on the globe and its position on that globe such as would make no sense were it to be on anything else but the surface of a sphere.

[Ikarusion]

i have a theory that eyes are flat aswell. any bending you might appear to see is a optical illusion. the scientific term for it has been coined in the late 50's: eyebendyboo.
im still collecting data to form a comprehensive case study. be ready to have your minds washed and your eyes pressed.

[t2016]

It is good to check some flight schedule video clips in order to see get the better picture.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yNVgzk3tbl0

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0eJLag-n33c

The above video can give you some idea about what is going on to our Mother Earth.

It is the reason why some people claim that Australia is a ......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XH86yBK-ZsY

[heyokah]

"Flat, definitely flat mate. And that water'll sweep you away before you know it..........."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q9c8FJ19yVE

[transiten]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U

Lets change perspective: Watch Earth Expanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U

Just Mercury retrograde forgot how to insert a video been away too long but Mercury Rx wants you to do things over and over! And succeed after following Pauls info

[Wind]

I would much more like to believe in a hollow Earth theory. Who knows how Earth's (magnetic) core looks like? It could be like a mini sun...
And yes, I think that the Earth could be expanding, it might explain all those sink holes.

[Agape]

On light note 2 ... I'm getting considerably stressed about the fact that even the people behind hyperspace physics , those basing their further theories and experiments including the Great CERN on the Big Bang and primordial Singularity
are getting everything wrong . Miscalculating the results , they have to .
It's no news of course

I'm going to expand ...

wish someone had the ability to do nice posh moving computer graphics to illustrate the point .
I'd do with chalk and board ( and plenty of imagination , of course ).

Vis my post on page 1 you probably overlooked for being too ridiculous compared to your flat earth theory

follow the curvature .
That's where we live as supposedly limited 4 D entities ( from strictly 3D point of view ) , no matter what form of existence and lifeline you assume ,

you're living on a wave that starts at some elevated point A , curves in space couple of times unless you insist on aboding in Singularity focal point with Space and Stars bending around your Singularity ,
and exit the wave at point B . It's all that matters .

You're on Time-Space Walk that looks like wave to me but you can also depict it as linear timeline, strictly taken .


Remember this trick next time you think about it : the reason why anything appears even and flat to us is that we live under particularly exerted gravity and atmospheric pressure . More pressure the more even the Space appears .

But back to my original point , you can roll Space to itself like infinite plane , like a pancake and it's fairly plausible way how to look at it .

The people who suggested that Universe started from Singularity can't provide any proof that it was not, in fact a Line instead . Naturally , you can roll time-space around a Line , rather than any Singularity .

Back to the Beginning then ... I found rather nice illustration after all , credits go to NASA/WMAP Science Team




Allow me to tell you where I see the tiny error appears , right at the beginning of Time .
I'm not saying it has to be there but most probably , it is . The people who worked on this super-theory tried to count down to Time Zero as far as they could .

Of course they admittedly never got all the way to real Time Zero ( since it-self it would be unreal ) but they tried to get very close ..

hypothesising what's happened in the first fraction of second after Big Bang .

Good enough for exponentially linear Universe but they're obviously still struggling and let me tell you why .

It did not happen that way .

In reality very little has happened in this Time-Space until the Universe got over point 1 .

Their calculations maybe perfectly logical but they should start after Time 1 , perhaps even Time 3 ( I'll get back to it later ) but certainly NOT at Time Zero .

Imagine this : this hypothetical bubble of a Universe, concealed in another Time-Space ( looking from here ) tries to make an appearance . We're talking of 'all Universe' , not a Star , not a Planet , not a cluster of Galaxies ,
maybe a giant white hole .

It has all the power ( of Universe ) to do the right thing . It does not start with quantum point and transformation of a point ,
no , it emits a beam first of all and draws it back to itself , and in that loop its quantum state equals 1 because it's 1 and the Universe does have the power .

What happens next would be nice if slightly complicated to draw , and that's what happens when the original Time-Line 1 ( D 1 ) starts replicating to produce Space-Time Field 2 ( D2 ) , while the Universe still has all the power to keep this D2 in stable formation , stable quantum state ,

with the least amount of fluctuations and errors as possible, highly organised pattern ,

well, if you look at the picture above this all would fall under the 'quantum fluctuations category' in the left .


However , unlike their concept of Universe that seems to start from a point and thus entails almost infinite amount of uncertainty if it was not for the quantum states

the way I see it is more of a first Time-Line ( D1 ) rolling around itself THUS manifesting first Time-Space Plane ( D2 ) and so forth .

From the first Time-Line ( D1 ) and Plane ( D2 ) , time and space manifest in many possible directions ( vectors ) replicating and replacing the original D1 and D2 .

In result , it looks far more complicated model , more like this :




Milk in Water : Mathew Kowalski


At the same time it's characterised and expressed through its dimensionality , frequency /quantum fields that are derivatives of D1 and D2 .

In simple terms , the Universe has balls .

[bennycog]

I have rewritten this post a few times so im just going to settle on.
The first video claims some flights do not exist, I personally have been on flights straight from jo'berg to perth..

[loveoflife]

Posted by Ikarusion (here)
the earth is not flat, its a dodecahedron. i saw it, trust me.

how does that information change your life though? how is it affecting you?
how our planet looks like from a extraterrestrial point of view, doesnt really change anything for me personally

Of all the posts on this thread this one hit home for me the most.

Having looked at virtually every conspiracy theory , this one piqued my interest and curiosity, being something new and also outrageous.

As for changing me, it did very little besides open me up to more possibilities of a deeper conspiracy than i conceived. I would say that 95% of information of the information on forums like these has no effect or interest for me nowadays, unless its to do with my personal psychology or healing, and gives me something to use to improve myself and my lot in relation to changes that are transpiring inside and outside of myself.

I seem to be as stable as a rock in my day to day activities, while the world around changes in a virtual manner in that it all happens on a screen in front of myself, my window to the world.

I remain who i am, while information changes my perception.

If the world is round or flat, what does it matter, its just another item on the list for contention and debate.

Its all contributes to the information overload that just confuses more than it clarifies.

[mosquito]

Do we really need another thread on this ridiculous topic ?

t2016 - I suggest you go back to the other thread [i.e this current one after merge] where you'll find your post is still present.

I'm going to post a longish answer there [now "here," see below], if anyone's interested.


([---] = Mod edits, Hervé)

[mosquito]

Right, let's start by dispelling one seemingly common illusion. The Earth's roundness wasn't a discovery of Renaisance European scientists, despite what they may want you to believe. The ancient Greeks knew it was round, as shown by their ability to calculate its' circumfrence. It's also a self-evident fact, clearly discernible to anyone who observes the seasons over a long enough period, and blindingly obvious to anyone with a brain who watches a lunar eclipse.

Maia - on the last thread you steadfastly refused to answer any questions, and continued to accuse everyone of being closed-minded. So I'm going to ask - if it's not round, what shape is it exactly ? Square ? Rectangular, Circular ? Duck-billed platypus shape ? Where exactly are the edges ? In the middle of North America (please God, oh please) ? In the Atlantic ? Bear in mind that the Atlantic route is far and away the busiest airway, and in the days of shipping it was the busiest shipping route. So presumably you don't believe all those people who've made the journey, as I have on numerous occasions, have been duped ?

Let's assume the edges are in the Pacific then shall we. But oh dear, the Pacific then ceases to be an ocean, and has to be redefined as 2 oceans, which we'll call the West Pacific (the bit between America and the edge) and the East Pacific (between Asia and the edge). That should be a relief for all the Americans, as it means that the radiation from Fukishima can't possibly be travelling from Japan to North America doesn't it ? We'll also have to assume that the edges of our nice rectangular flat Earth are turned up, much like a pie-crust, otherwise the water would fall off. Obviously people who believe they've flown across the Pacific have been conned. Let's think how. Maybe the planes take off from Auckland, for example, and as soon as they reach cruising altitude, the pilots fill the cabin with narcotic gas. As soon as the gullible passengers are asleep, the pilot throws the stick hard over to the right, and heads along the southern pie-crust, accelerating to mach 3 in order to get to the West coast of America in a plausible time. He/she then turn hard right again, and our clueless passengers wake up flying Eastwards, none the wiser to what's happened. (At least they've missed a crap meal and a boring film).

Sarcasm off.
There are at least 2 phenomena which completely blow away any theory of the Earth being flat. The first, alluded to by Araucaria is.....
Time zones. You'll notice that each post on the forum has a timestamp. What you may not realise is that the time stamp shows the local time of the logged-on member. So the time of this post will display, to me and anyone else in my timezone (GMT+8) as around 20:18, and to you it will show the time of posting in your timezone, presumably somewhere in the USA, possibly 07:00 to 08:00. Either you believe that the penomenon of people being in different time zones is true, or you have to believe that Paul and Ilie are devious illuminati stooges, planting random times next to the posts. You'd also have to believe that news reports and live sports events beamed to the USA from elsewhere are actually set-up on a film set somewhere. "Don't be ridiculous" I hear you say. Well, here's my point .......

Imagine if you can, this flat Earth in space, populated side up. The sun is underneath, shining on whatever it is you believe is there. Maybe you aren't able to visualize this, so let's perform an experiment; take a flat object, something like a matchbox will do. Now shine a large torch underneath. Satisfy yourself that the inhabited part of the Earth is in total darkness, then move your torch to be parallel to the edge of the matchbox. Notice how the light shines equally on THE WHOLE UPPER SURFACE. In the case of our flat Earth, this means that when the sun rises in the East, it is at exactly the same angle to every position on the Earth's surface, meaning that it's dawn in Tokyo, dawn in Durban, dawn in Rio de Janeiro. Now move your torch directly above the matchbox. The light source is at 90 degrees to every part of the surface. Again, this would mean that it's noon in Urumqi, noon in Cairo, noon in Chicago. If you're still not convinced, move the torch to the opposite edge of the matchbox .... yes, you've guessed it - it's dusk in Perth, dusk in Windhoek, dusk in Seattle.

The second phenomenon you need to consider is the one of differing day lengths at temperate latitudes. I've lived in Edinburgh and KNOW that in January the sun drags itself over the horizon at 8:30, staggers across the rooftops and tumbles back to bed just after 15:00. I KNOW that in July it used to wake me up at 03:00 and only went bye-byes long after me, around 22:00.
I've also lived a couple of degrees off the equator and can assure you that the sun rises at 06:00 give or take a few minutes, and sets at about 18:00 every single day of the year. Look at your matchbox and torch arrangement again. That COULD NOT HAPPEN on a flat Earth as, once again, the distribution of sunlight from North to South is exactly the same.

The ONLY explanation for these 2 phenomena (Herve will correct me if I'm wrong) is that ... 1) we are standing on a rotating sphere and ..2) the sphere tilts on its' axis throughout the year.

By the way, I don't recall being taught any of this at school, I worked it all out by myself and visualised it, while drunk, one Saturday afternoon in the bar of the President Hotel in Johannesburg in July 1983.

If by any chance you still aren't convinced that we live in separate timezones, I'm more than happy to have a 4-way skype call with you and 2 others, preferably someone in New Zealand and someone in Britain or France, and we will show you that it can not, in any conceivable way be daylight in all 4 locations.

[Hervé]

I merged the new thread "Ancient Flat Earth Belief" started by t2016 on the same subject and started with a repost of post # 39 and which I deleted from this merge.

Cheers!

Hervé

[Hervé]

Posted by mosquito (here)
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... Notice how the light shines equally on THE WHOLE UPPER SURFACE.
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Yep! Totally agree, see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post577374

Anyway one would still have to explain this 3D thing as well, going from one to the other without running into that infamous "edge":

Southern cross trail with open shutter taken from Kaituna, Wairarapa, New Zealand.
(copyright Christopher J Picking)


A typical Northern Hemisphere star trail with Polaris in the center.

[AriG]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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It's an interesting (and worrying) problem. Omniverse posted on the latest Andy Basiago thread that a recent poll on the David Icke forum had resulted in 17-18% believing in a Flat Earth:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post961588

It's a kind of increasingly common syndrome in the 'New Age' movement of refusing to believe any kind of 'authority' about anything, including all good scientists (and all good scientific thinking): indiscriminately throwing out a vast number of totally healthy babies in the bathwater. It's purely reactive, and has nothing to do with what intelligence is for or about.

I should say on record here, in case it's useful for me to make the clarification: 'Flat Earth' discussions (which seriously examine and take seriously the notion) do NOT properly belong on this forum apart from discussing the matter as a phenomenon (as per this post, and of course a number of others). We won't censor them, but anyone who does take the idea seriously merely shows themselves up as being unable to think very clearly. And that's not a good thing.

One only needs to position oneself high enough above the "flat earth" to recognize the curvature as evidence for what was discovered hundreds upon hundreds of years ago. My farm is the highest point in Scott County Kentucky. When we sit atop our deck, overlooking the ridge, Gaia's curves are evident. Maybe these flat earth people are frustrated land surveyors. Uphill both ways!