John Lash's Kalika war party

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mnemosyne (here)
I am adding this link in response to the information posted by Silkie

Stripping the Gurus

http://www.strippingthegurus.com/

It's also possible that someone who is presenting themselves as a guru is actually an egocentric, hateful narcissist. That happens, too.

No real 'guru' (meaning: a genuine spiritual leader with a purpose to teach and enlighten) would ever describe Moslems as 'cockroaches'. That's just one small example, of many.

I have that clear statement of his on audio. John Lash intended that to be for publication.

If you read my post (#37 on this thread), describing the events of last October when John Lash was interviewed by two Avalon members, you'll see that far from having any preconceived ideas, I was taken aback, appalled by the contents of the interview that I'd started to edit with an intention to publish.

I immediately realized, and all the moderators concurred, that an incitement to hate other human beings could not go out under Avalon's name and with our apparent endorsement.

After that, Silkie joined the forum and reported on her own direct personal experiences with John Lash over quite a period of time. They should be read carefully... she has documented it all here.

This is all information that cannot be dismissed. And that's what this thread is about, and which is why I encouraged you to read and understand it.

[Mnemosyne]

Bill you have written-

"No real 'guru'(meaning: a genuine spiritual teacher with a purpose to teach and enlighten)"

Will you share in this thread the names of the genuine spiritual teachers who you think are here in physical form on Earth at present with a purpose to teach and enlighten?

[3(C)+me]

Posted by Mnemosyne (here)
Bill you have written-

"No real 'guru'(meaning: a genuine spiritual teacher with a purpose to teach and enlighten)"

Will you share in this thread the names of the genuine spiritual teachers who you think are here in physical form on Earth at present with a purpose to teach and enlighten?

Boy, talk about putting someone on the spot. I think if bill did come up with some teachers he thought was the real thing you would ponce?
Here's a question for you..
who do you think is a genuine spiritual teacher?
I promise I will not ponce, not my style lately

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mnemosyne (here)
Bill you have written-

"No real 'guru'(meaning: a genuine spiritual teacher with a purpose to teach and enlighten)"

Will you share in this thread the names of the genuine spiritual teachers who you think are here in physical form on Earth at present with a purpose to teach and enlighten?

That's a great question — and maybe an excellent subject for a new thread on that topic. But I don't feel qualified to answer it. I don't follow any self-proclaimed spiritual teachers, whoever may be out there these days, and so my knowledge base is likely to be limited.

[Mnemosyne]

I to do not follow any self proclaimed spiritual teachers.
I expressed this in my first post however it appears that this was not apparent to you or anyone else who has taken part in this thread.
Disappointing, perhaps Project Avalon is not the right fit for me, this I will decide for myself.

[greybeard]

Posted by Mnemosyne (here)
I to do not follow any self proclaimed spiritual teachers.
I expressed this in my first post however it appears that this was not apparent to you or anyone else who has taken part in this thread.
Disappointing, perhaps Project Avalon is not the right fit for me, this I will decide for myself.

I realise this is off topic but a follow on from the point raised by Mnemosyne.
Anyone who claims to be enlightened is not because after the shift there is no person left to claim this.

Mooji for example states that teacher implies duality teacher and student, some thing to learn.
Pointing to Truth happens with the state of enlightenment.
There are quotes from Mooji and various on this thread linked.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post966650

a full description of the state called enlightenment by a member "Tim in the link below.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post456904

[Mnemosyne]

greybeard

I know who Mooji is.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Link to member "Tim"

Read it.
And your point is?

[greybeard]

Posted by Mnemosyne (here)
greybeard

I know who Mooji is.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Link to member "Tim"



Read it.
And your point is?

To give a context to what I believe is enlightenment is and therefore "teaching/pointing" that I will trust.

Chris

[Mnemosyne]

greybeard

Ok,thanks for sharing what you believe, in relation to enlightenment.

[araucaria]

Posted by Mnemosyne (here)
I to do not follow any self proclaimed spiritual teachers.
I expressed this in my first post however it appears that this was not apparent to you or anyone else who has taken part in this thread.
Disappointing, perhaps Project Avalon is not the right fit for me, this I will decide for myself.

It seems to me a little premature to be talking about enlightenment or gurus here. What is lacking here is a modicum of civility in basic social intercourse. You barge into a lengthy discussion as if nothing had been said until now, taking the forum founder directly to task. I can understand your wondering whether you belong here: I would say, on your showing so far, possibly not. One of Avalon’s great strengths is its ability to have polite conversations among the unlikeliest assortment of individuals. This is in itself a major achievement to have embarked on the simple step-by-step approach to grand ideals on distant horizons. This is the environment that ensures that we don’t get sucked in by gurus, who are not into conversation at all. We may talk about them, try to bring them into the conversation, but this is the litmus test that they are going to fail: monologue is the name of their game. They are touting a single truth, the correct version of everything, hence open discussion is anathema to them, since it calls for a suspension of disbelief/belief. The John Lashes of the world ultimately do not matter beyond infinitesimally – like the rest of us, only some of us have got over it.

To be the independent thinker you claim to be, a) you don’t need to adopt this confrontational approach in this conversational context, and b) you shouldn’t be ramming John Lash down people’s throats, or indeed adhering that much to his message - what happened to the independence? So if you do intend to stick around here, I’d like to see a little less of the hobbyhorsing and a little more personal input from mnemosyne.

[Mnemosyne]

araucaria

Thank you for your opinion.

This is my reply
The only thing I have to communicate you and anyone else who views this is goodbye. In my humble opinion there is to much glamour and illusion bouncing around the online Project Avalon community.
p.s. By glamour I am not referring to glamour in a physical/lifestyle appearance way.

[Selkie]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
...It's also possible that someone who is presenting themselves as a guru is actually an egocentric, hateful narcissist...

Precisely.

And what Lash is trying to do with his Kalika War Party and "lethal strike" is to get people to act out his hate, envy and spite for him...the phenomenon of projective identification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_identification

It is also inciting-to-violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement

He wants to cause trouble...lots of trouble, but he does not want to be identified as the cause of the trouble. If you go to the KWP site, notice how the whole thing is written in the passive voice,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_passive_voice

and without a by-line.

http://kalikawarparty.org/

John Lash has signed everything else he ever wrote, but he did not sign the KWP writings. That is not because he did not write them (I know for a fact that he wrote them), but because he does not want to take responsibility for them. He does not want to take responsibility for the trouble, chaos and confusion that he wants to incite.

Not only that, but I'm pretty sure that the actual owner of the KWP site is a woman, one of his followers. So again, a complete disavowal of responsibility on his part.

At any rate, Lash wants people to give way to their worst impulses and the worst aspects of themselves. But the Kalika War Party, no matter what they do**, will only make things worse because if it becomes a fad it will give the "authorities" another excuse to crack down on the populace. The Kalika War Party is not new or "edgy" or hip...it is stupid, irresponsible and short-sighted. Real resistance to the PTB is not "magical", and it is not something to toy with. Real resistance to them is dangerous and involves a real threat of imprisonment or death.

p.s. In the KWP's (actually John Lash's) Manifesto it says that members ought to inform their families and loved ones of what they intend to do without causing fear:

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http://kalikawarparty.org/protocools/

2   Personal Relationships

2.1   If you have living parents or close relatives with whom you are normally in contact, you are asked to inform them of your involvement in the Party, stating in your own words what the involvement entails or may entail. Being careful not to incur fear, make clear the possibility of danger that might come your way from the authorities, the operatives of the System. In short, state openly and candidly to family members the risk and responsibility you assume by entering the Party.

(emphasis mine)

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WITHOUT CAUSING FEAR??? What kind of bull**** is that? I wrote to Lash to say that he is putting the "Kalika warriors" into an impossible position because naturally the loved ones are going to feel fear!, no matter how gently or skillfully the "warrior" tells his/her people about it. This is just one more example of the double-binds that Lash constantly puts people into

** In actual fact THERE IS NO REAL KALIKA WAR PARTY, and it is likely there never will be. It is a Lashian attempt to CREATE THE BELIEF that there is such a "warrior party", that is all. So Lash is acting quite a bit like whoever engineered Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon Bombing. In other words, he is acting like a spook.

[Selkie]

Posted by Sierra (here)
Not to mention his promulgation of racial hatred.

Hate.

Bad stuff.

Humph.

Racial hatred, yes, but also scapegoating. Lash is blaming Jews and Muslims (especially the Jews) for all our problems. It is not just that he hates them for whatever reason. He is pointing the finger at them and trying to convince everyone else to blame them, too.

[Feritciva]

Posted by Mnemosyne (here)
perhaps Project Avalon is not the right fit for me, this I will decide for myself.

That I find certainly true..

EDIT: I have never received THAT much negativity and disturbance from anybody else before on any forum (this is my 4th alternative-culture forum). I believe this guy might be someone close to JLL. Feeling this very sharp aggression and irritation disguised under carefully selected words & expressions was disturbing for me - as I said I've never received these in such clear way.

It seems PA attracts all kinds of darkness besides serious light sources.

[Selkie]

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)
Not to mention his promulgation of racial hatred.

Hate.

Bad stuff.

Humph.

Racial hatred, yes, but also scapegoating. Lash is blaming Jews and Muslims (especially the Jews) for all our problems. It is not just that he hates them for whatever reason. He is pointing the finger at them and trying to convince everyone else to blame them, too.

p.s. He also wants to blame psychopaths-in-high-places for all our problems, too. Lash seems to think that if you can just kill off enough of the right kind of people, the world will become a better place, but since when has that ever worked?

an addition I quoted myself because I wanted to do a post update, but I don't know how

[Hanson]

Posted by Silkie (here)

• John Lash ... is a legend in his own mind
  
• the only thing John Lash cares about is John Lash
  
• seduce and recruit the vulnerable
  
• If you are not prepared to agree with John Lash 100% on everything, then its the highway for you
  
• If you are not prepared to let him bully and browbeat you, then its the highway for you.
  
• If you are not prepared to be a doormat and an unpaid household drudge for him, then its the highway for you.
  
• If you are not prepared to let him dictate your personality to you, then you are out.
  
• If you are not prepared to let him violate your boundaries, then its goodbye to you.
  
• underneath his charm he is a total autocrat, insists on complete obedience from others
  
• a narcissist who loves no one but himself
  
• no such thing as mutuality or power sharing with John Lash
  
• draw recruits and gain narcissistic supply, money and power
  
• (And notoriety. John Lash wants notoriety very, very badly)
  
• seduce woman after woman with one goal in mind...to gain their money, services and sexuality and connections
  
• looks wonderful from the outside: they would not be able to recruit anyone if they did not.

Fabulous list, Silkie!

People like John Lash tend to be hidden right under our noses. They wear a mask of charm to hide their true nature. Most everyone is under the illusion of their clever lies and deceptive behavior. Only an insider that gets close to them will see their true colors, and most of those won't talk about it in public, because the unsuspecting public won't believe them anyway. The public believes their eyes instead, which means they believe the mask, the clever lies, and the deceptive behavior.

What other people could you substitute in place of "John Lash" in the list and still have an accurate picture? Unfortunately, probably no one! Unless, of course, you've gotten close to them, spent time with them behind closed doors, and seen what's behind their mask. And then, if the shoe fits, what a story you could tell! But almost no one would believe you.

I've seen this kind of thing happen before, and I suspect Silkie is telling it like it was. Unless, of course, it's a false-flag attack orchestrated by a very clever and manipulative third party (probably not Silkie) who wants to discredit John Lash. With these kind of people, especially when they play the game against one of their own kind, or against someone genuine who is a real threat, the rabbit hole can go pretty deep.

In any event, it's still a useful list. Thank you, Silkie.

[ulli]

Posted by Hanson (here)

Posted by Silkie (here)

• John Lash ... is a legend in his own mind
  
• the only thing John Lash cares about is John Lash
  
• seduce and recruit the vulnerable
  
• If you are not prepared to agree with John Lash 100% on everything, then its the highway for you
  
• If you are not prepared to let him bully and browbeat you, then its the highway for you.
  
• If you are not prepared to be a doormat and an unpaid household drudge for him, then its the highway for you.
  
• If you are not prepared to let him dictate your personality to you, then you are out.
  
• If you are not prepared to let him violate your boundaries, then its goodbye to you.
  
• underneath his charm he is a total autocrat, insists on complete obedience from others
  
• a narcissist who loves no one but himself
  
• no such thing as mutuality or power sharing with John Lash
  
• draw recruits and gain narcissistic supply, money and power
  
• (And notoriety. John Lash wants notoriety very, very badly)
  
• seduce woman after woman with one goal in mind...to gain their money, services and sexuality and connections
  
• looks wonderful from the outside: they would not be able to recruit anyone if they did not.

Fabulous list, Silkie!

People like John Lash tend to be hidden right under our noses. They wear a mask of charm to hide their true nature. Most everyone is under the illusion of their clever lies and deceptive behavior. Only an insider that gets close to them will see their true colors, and most of those won't talk about it in public, because the unsuspecting public won't believe them anyway. The public believes their eyes instead, which means they believe the mask, the clever lies, and the deceptive behavior.

What other people could you substitute in place of "John Lash" in the list and still have an accurate picture? Unfortunately, probably no one! Unless, of course, you've gotten close to them, spent time with them behind closed doors, and seen what's behind their mask. And then, if the shoe fits, what a story you could tell! But almost no one would believe you.

I've seen this kind of thing happen before, and I suspect Silkie is telling it like it was. Unless, of course, it's a false-flag attack orchestrated by a very clever and manipulative third party (probably not Silkie) who wants to discredit John Lash. With these kind of people, especially when they play the game against one of their own kind, or against someone genuine who is a real threat, the rabbit hole can go pretty deep.

In any event, it's still a useful list. Thank you, Silkie.

John Lamb Lash discredited himself.
Silkie only confirmed.

[araucaria]

Posted by Hanson (here)
I've seen this kind of thing happen before, and I suspect Silkie is telling it like it was. Unless, of course, it's a false-flag attack orchestrated by a very clever and manipulative third party (probably not Silkie) who wants to discredit John Lash. With these kind of people, especially when they play the game against one of their own kind, or against someone genuine who is a real threat, the rabbit hole can go pretty deep.

Here are three independent triangulation points with which to place John Lash, and understand that ‘probably not Silkie’ should read ‘definitely not Silkie’.

And therefore, that there is no ‘false-flag attack orchestrated by a very clever and manipulative third party’.

1) Last August, I voiced an issue with something in his book Not in His Image:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post866852

2) This from Bill referring to ‘last October’:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

It's also possible that someone who is presenting themselves as a guru is actually an egocentric, hateful narcissist. That happens, too.

No real 'guru' (meaning: a genuine spiritual leader with a purpose to teach and enlighten) would ever describe Moslems as 'cockroaches'. That's just one small example, of many.

I have that clear statement of his on audio. John Lash intended that to be for publication.

If you read my post (#37 on this thread), describing the events of last October when John Lash was interviewed by two Avalon members, you'll see that far from having any preconceived ideas, I was taken aback, appalled by the contents of the interview that I'd started to edit with an intention to publish.

I immediately realized, and all the moderators concurred, that an incitement to hate other human beings could not go out under Avalon's name and with our apparent endorsement.

3) Silkie’s personal testimony is independent of either of the above – notice Bill’s underlining of ‘After that’ below. In other words, she was confirming (and expanding upon) what had already been inferred from Lash’s written and spoken words. Note also how her experiences took place ‘over quite a period of time’, meaning that although the report came after the above, the actual occurrences started before.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
After that, Silkie joined the forum and reported on her own direct personal experiences with John Lash over quite a period of time. They should be read carefully... she has documented it all here.

This is all information that cannot be dismissed. And that's what this thread is about, and which is why I encouraged you to read and understand it.

[Selkie]

Posted by Hanson (here)
...In any event, it's still a useful list. Thank you, Silkie.

You're welcome

[Selkie]

Posted by Feritciva (here)
...I believe this guy might be someone close to JLL...

I got that feeling, too, although I could be wrong, of course.