John Lash's Kalika war party

[ulli]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
One more addition...when someone like JLL who has a considerable following in the alternative community decides to take the "kill the cockroaches" route as their only logical "Endlösung" (final solution) they not only endanger their own lives or the lives of those of all their followers, but also the rest of the alternative community

Hi Ulli, I wonder where this leaves a place for self responsibility.. can one person represent anything but their own self and their shadow is being reflected by the 'followers', isn't following itself is a valuable lesson to learn from?

Isn't life requires dynamic of the giver and the taker?

Many Blessings,

Limor

I do have a suspicion that the number of followers an individual has attracted to themselves
is a sign of the undeveloped charisma in those followers, as well as a neediness for attention in their leader.
Because of the duality of such a system or organization all members are split and cut off from their wholeness of beingness.

While a group of responsible, self realized individiuals has a different dynamic altogether, that of the total freedom for all to come and go and share information at their leisure, while still able to appreciate the uniqueness of one another.
And here we will find true growth...the opposite of Borg, actually.
Blessings to you, too, Limor, and thanks.

[Selkie]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
One more addition...when someone like JLL who has a considerable following in the alternative community decides to take the "kill the cockroaches" route as their only logical "Endlösung" (final solution) they not only endanger their own lives or the lives of those of all their followers, but also the rest of the alternative community

Hi Ulli, I wonder where this leaves self responsibility.. can one person represent anything but their own self and their shadow is being reflected by the 'followers', isn't following itself is a valuable lesson to learn from?

Isn't life requires dynamic of the giver and the taker?

Many Blessings,

Limor

Excuse me for chiming in when the question was directed toward Ulli, but look what happened to the followers of Jim Jones and David Koresh. Or the followers of David Berg, or of the Heaven's Gate cult. I wonder what they learned? Do you think that what they really learned is the same as what those cult leaders preached in public?

I followed John Lash up until approximately August of 2014 (I left him in October of 2014, but I pretty much started to have very serious doubts when he showed me and two others ...both men...the KWP). Did I learn anything by following him? Oh, yes, I learned a lot! I learned about the behavior and nature of psychopaths. I learned that a man will romance and seduce numerous vulnerable women in attempts to obtain their money (or other services) under the guise of being a teacher, and that he will toss people away without a second thought when they are no longer useful to him. I learned that a person can be hypnotized without their permission or conscious awareness.

I learned all of that, and much, much more. And I didn't learn it in some academic way, by reading about it. I learned it by living it. Lash taught me those lessons so well that I came home from Spain with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. By the time I left I was so anxious to get away that it is fair to say I fled from him.

[Selkie]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
One more addition...when someone like JLL who has a considerable following in the alternative community decides to take the "kill the cockroaches" route as their only logical "Endlösung" (final solution) they not only endanger their own lives or the lives of those of all their followers, but also the rest of the alternative community

Hi Ulli, I wonder where this leaves a place for self responsibility.. can one person represent anything but their own self and their shadow is being reflected by the 'followers', isn't following itself is a valuable lesson to learn from?

Isn't life requires dynamic of the giver and the taker?

Many Blessings,

Limor

I do have a suspicion that the number of followers an individual has attracted to themselves
is a sign of the undeveloped charisma in those followers, as well as a neediness for attention in their leader.
Because of the duality of such a system or organization all members are split and cut off from their wholeness of beingness.

While a group of responsible, self realized individiuals has a different dynamic altogether, that of the total freedom for all to come and go and share information at their leisure, while still able to appreciate the uniqueness of one another.
And here we will find true growth...the opposite of Borg, actually.
Blessings to you, too, Limor, and thanks.

(my emphasis)

This is exactly what deranged gurus do not do. The first thing that happens with a deranged guru is that he punishes people for any deviation from doctrine, often by the withdrawal of love or the threat of throwing them out of the cult. Since many cult members give up everything to be with their guru (like I did), and the only people they know are in the cult, this is tantamount to spiritual and social death, and is devastating to the follower. The follower learns to live in dread of the deranged guru's displeasure...and believe me, they get displeased A LOT!

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
One more addition...when someone like JLL who has a considerable following in the alternative community decides to take the "kill the cockroaches" route as their only logical "Endlösung" (final solution) they not only endanger their own lives or the lives of those of all their followers, but also the rest of the alternative community

Hi Ulli, I wonder where this leaves self responsibility.. can one person represent anything but their own self and their shadow is being reflected by the 'followers', isn't following itself is a valuable lesson to learn from?

Isn't life requires dynamic of the giver and the taker?

Many Blessings,

Limor

Excuse me for chiming in when the question was directed toward Ulli, but look what happened to the followers of Jim Jones and David Koresh. Or the followers of David Berg, or of the Heaven's Gate cult. I wonder what they learned? Do you think that what they really learned is the same as what those cult leaders preached in public?

I followed John Lash up until approximately August of 2014 (I left him in October of 2014, but I pretty much started to have very serious doubts when he showed me and two others ...both men...the KWP). Did I learn anything by following him? Oh, yes, I learned a lot! I learned about the behavior and nature of psychopaths. I learned that a man will romance and seduce numerous vulnerable women in attempts to obtain their money (or other services) under the guise of being a teacher, and that he will toss people away without a second thought when they are no longer useful to him. I learned that a person can be hypnotized without their permission or conscious awareness.

I learned all of that, and much, much more. And I didn't learn it in some academic way, by reading about it. I learned it by living it. Lash taught me those lessons so well that I came home from Spain with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. By the time I left I was so anxious to get away that it is fair to say I fled from him.

Silkie, I am truly very sorry for your experiences, I understand PTSD and quite easily can refer to your emotions. I understand how you learned a lot from what John Lash has done to you. Is there possibly anything at all that you may have done differently today now that you know what you know.. perheps adopting other point of view or making other choices, if so, then you have gained a great lesson indeed..despite the painful relationship (not lessening any of it), it is useful to keep the face always forward, not continue and define yourself by past happenings.

From the followers of Jim Jones and David Koresh it is evident that not everyone learns, and not everyone can see their own fare share in the matters. And the energy can go on and on, recycle itself..

Love and healing ~

Limor

[anthropos]

Posted by Silkie (here)
But you speak of the "dates", as if the distortion ended. The distortion remained right up to the end of the GNE … The KWP is actually a result of the distortion.

2013 was a eventful year for JLL, but taking into account what are you saying I think you are referring to the "Passage of command" episode.

However, I think you are grabbing a lil trick from the trickster bag. The KWP was long in the making, way before the GNE started!. The Rite Action section is from 2008. So if anything the KWP is natural outcome from JLL's proposed mythopoesis.

I do accept that Red Ice infamous KWP interview, was a very rough delivery, specially for those who didn't follow the slow and smooth build up that was present in the Navigator Briefings, but I guess that would make it a 4 hour interview. I recommend NB 97, for the touchy issue of Jews, for a more comprehensive and smooth delivery.

Posted by araucaria (here)
Although John Lash has correctly identified the issue as being between life and nonlife forms, his talk of killing, his racism and contempt for lower life forms such as cockroaches shows that he is willing to take the risk of false positives, in other words kill a few hostages. This is an untenable position to hold, not only emotionally, but also logically, because you cannot kill a machine, you can only fry its circuitry – you cannot take life from a lifeless entity.

Actually, that isn't accurate. The main problem human over human predation, the 'ankle biters' [AB] only exacerbate it, JLL has made that point clear in the GNE. Once a human get 'archontified' contact with the ABs is not even necessary.

Posted by Silkie (here)
They say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. John Lash's extraordinary claims … come with NO PROOF…none at all.

JLL biggest ability, has already been proven, his ability to cast a net over a vast sea of dissimilar information, myths and research in one epic mythopoeical act. You get fixated in one, probably accessory, contribution. I don't think the KWP will be marked by the Lethal Strike [LS] per se, but rather it will be marked by a social movement around the ethos of the old warrior class. In that respect I think JLL has already succeeded. Look around, the KWP is already a social movement in its embryonic form, we'll see if it gets born as a full being.

Posted by Silkie (here)
He wants to cause trouble...lots of trouble, but he does not want to be identified as the cause of the trouble.

Everyone identifies JLL with the KWP, actually is impossible to the dissociate them. This very thread is an evidence of that; on top you can add the Red Ice interview.

Finally, I would like to add that I don't think JLL is playing the Guru game, I think he building the mythopoeic infrastructure for the next generation, and he knows full well if the Falled Goddess Scenario [FGS] myth is going to survive, he must not build around him. KWP is a step in that direction, other steps are under way, probably more in the taste of "love and lighters" people, that it the Planetary Tantra retreats. Oddly, JLL is no the one conducting them.

Sincerely,
anthropos

[Selkie]

Posted by anthropos (here)

Posted by Silkie (here)
But you speak of the "dates", as if the distortion ended. The distortion remained right up to the end of the GNE … The KWP is actually a result of the distortion.

2013 was a eventful year for JLL, but taking into account what are you saying I think you are referring to the "Passage of command" episode.

The distortion is spread out over months of GNE talks, and goes on into the KWP. It is not like the distortion is a mere blip. Because of what happened with the woman in 2013, the whole rest of the GNE became distorted.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...However, I think you are grabbing a lil trick from the trickster bag. The KWP was long in the making, way before the GNE started!. The Rite Action section is from 2008. So if anything the KWP is natural outcome from JLL's proposed mythopoesis.

(my emphasis)

What I am saying is that the outcome of the KWP is not natural! The KWP was denied its natural outcome by Lash when he lost his sobriety. So were the GNE and Rite Action. I am saying that the outcome of everything was warped, and warped by Lash himself because he could not tell the difference between what would be good for him personally and what would be good for the earth and the rest of the world. He got greedy. And everything he has done since then has been over-compensatory crap. Lash, himself, told me that there were people who told him that the Terma needs to be saved from the Terton. That is how concerned they were about what they saw in him when they got to know him better.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...I do accept that Red Ice infamous KWP interview, was a very rough delivery, specially for those who didn't follow the slow and smooth build up that was present in the Navigator Briefings, but I guess that would make it a 4 hour interview. I recommend NB 97, for the touchy issue of Jews, for a more comprehensive and smooth delivery.

(my emphasis)

Oh, so a spoonful of sugar will help the medicine go down? Rough delivery, or the real man on display? It is the content that is repugnant and disgusting! He could change the delivery all he wants and it would not change the content at all.

Posted by anthropos (here)
... I don't think the KWP will be marked by the Lethal Strike [LS] per se, but rather it will be marked by a social movement around the ethos of the old warrior class.

Ah, yes...the good old days! When ladies were locked in towers and forced to wear chastity belts, and the knights and lord of the manor were up-ending servant girls on the trestle tables whenever they (the knights) felt like it. Yes, the "ethos" of the old warrior class...the original gangsters, albeit gangsters with erudition. Because that's all the warriors of old were...they were just gangsters.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...Look around, the KWP is already a social movement in its embryonic form...

Nonsense. The KWP is a fiction and the lethal strike is a fiction.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...Everyone identifies JLL with the KWP, actually is impossible to the dissociate them. This very thread is an evidence of that; on top you can add the Red Ice interview.

Horse****. Lash told me many times that he did not want to be identified as the author of the KWP. It doesn't matter how many people associate him with it if it can't be proved that he wrote it. That is why he didn't sign it, why it is written in the passive voice, and why the owner of the site is a person other than Lash. In other words, he wants plausible deniability.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...Finally, I would like to add that I don't think JLL is playing the Guru game, I think he building the mythopoeic infrastructure for the next generation, and he knows full well if the Falled Goddess Scenario [FGS] myth is going to survive, he must not build around him. KWP is a step in that direction, other steps are under way, probably more in the taste of "love and lighters" people, that it the Planetary Tantra retreats. Oddly, JLL is no the one conducting them...

That is what I used to think, too. Until I got to know the man intimately. I am very sorry, but John Lash does not really care about the goddess Sophia, or building anything for the next generation. You didn't see him when a woman with money and connections walked into his life. You didn't see how he wanted to use her to further his ambitions, or how he exploited her needs and vulnerabilities. You do not know how easily he dumps someone when someone better comes along. You simply were not there. You are talking about John Lash from an armchair. This is why cults are secret, and why there is always an inner circle. All the other stuff...the talks, the interviews, all that stuff...is nothing but publicity, designed to draw the vulnerable and unwary. I know...I was one of those people. Gurus always say that they have a mission, working for the next generation, etc. But it has no relation to the truth of the cult at all. The truth is that the cult...any cult...exists for the glorification of the guru. Nothing more.

an addition There is nothing odd about JLL not being the one to conduct any Planetary Tantra retreats. He is much too reclusive, unreliable, and narcissistic to conduct such gatherings.

[Selkie]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)
...not continue and define yourself by past happenings...

Thank you for your kindness and concern, Limor And rest assured, I certainly do not define myself by those past happenings. There is a great deal more to my life than this thread and my former relationship with John Lash!

p.s. Basically, I love to just drink and dance and carouse and have a good time.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7-0lV5qs1Qw

So Closing Time for John Lash, here's to life now, and life ahead

[Selkie]

The funny thing about all this is that the Sophia Mythos and everything attached to it...the Terma, Planetary Tantra, etc...is FICTION. It is not real. It is a narrative that John Lash wants you to bring to life for him, and he wants you to bring it to life for him whether you want to or not. He doesn't care if he has your informed consent or not. He wants to seize your imagination from you and bend it to his own purposes. He told me this himself in a telestic session.

addition John Lash has one addiction, and one addiction only...the addiction to power. To John Lash, people are a means to an end. That end is power for John Lash...the "nagual"...nothing more.

p.s. By "you" I mean everyone...he was referring to the imagination of all humanity, or at least all Europeans, Russians and Americans...the imaginations of whites.

In other words, Lash has such contempt for people...thinks that they are so stupid and puerile...that he has decided that they are not fit to be the owners of their own imaginations. Lash does not like the way that the people are using their imaginations. He thinks he is better qualified to decide how they should use their imaginations then they are. How do you like that? John Lash intends to manipulate everyone into using their imaginations as he sees fit.

[anthropos]

Posted by Silkie (here)
You simply were not there. You are talking about John Lash from an armchair.

Posted by Silkie
"Truth is the best cover." John Lamb Lash to me, many times, Andalucia.

All arguments are reversible. You may or may not be telling the truth, you may or may no be distorting truth, you may or may not be covering in truth, to advance to your agenda (if you have one). From my armchair point of view [POV] you are yet another anonymous voice in the internet making accusations. Just remember, that your posts don't constitute evidence or proof. I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just stating the facts.

Posted by Silkie (here)
He wants to seize your imagination from you and bend it to his own purposes. He told me this himself in a telestic session.

No news here. JLL has stated that himself (paraphrasing): "If you are not using your imagination, somebody is doing so for you", "So what if the FGS is not real? it is a feat of human imagination". You have to concede that to JLL, he is a great sorcerer using his and others imagination. He performs magic using imagination. However his magic, is not pure story telling, he backs it up with heavy scholarly and seemingly practical research. If you want to proof that the FGS is a total lie, you would have to disproof the Valentinian mysteries too, the Death Sea Scrolls, John Campbell, and other authors that he cites in his lengthy lectures. Cult leaders do the easy ride, you know, the usually cite two or three book snippets and 99% of what they say is just revealed, and they are the only source and they play a paramount role in the revealed material.

Interestingly, his work, can work without him. He is not a central piece in the Sophia's mythopoesis. He is only necessary if you want (or need) to place him in the guru level. He has given away enough for the mystic/shamanic/magic practitioner to go on eir own.

From the armchair, it seems, that any human must give sense to eir life by a a self-actualizing, self-describing myth. The choice is what myth. The FGS is a superb mythical framework.

Posted by Silkie (here)
The distortion is spread out over months of GNE talks, and goes on into the KWP. It is not like the distortion is a mere blip. Because of what happened with the woman in 2013, the whole rest of the GNE became distorted.

What I am saying is that the outcome of the KWP is not natural! The KWP was denied its natural outcome by Lash when he lost his sobriety. So were the GNE and Rite Action.

That's my point, Rite Action [RA] precedes the (purported) 'woman event of 2013' [WE2013] by 5 years. RA is the seed from were KWP spawns, so then the WE2013 would play no significant role in the KWP conception.

Posted by Silkie (here)
Oh, so a spoonful of sugar will help the medicine go down? Rough delivery, or the real man on display? It is the content that is repugnant and disgusting! He could change the delivery all he wants and it would not change the content at all.

On NB 97, JLL is clear that Jews also the victims of Talmudic (Zaddikim) predators. But enough with the political correctness bull$hit (if you allow me to grab some of your colorful US vocabulary). JLL is not falling in the 'Mephisto rule' [MR] of self-censorship. Some people love to censor themselves out of a moral superiority.

Can we discuss bloody Zionism, with out being a racist fascist?
Can we discuss catholic pedophilia without being a godless commie?
Can we discuss Muslim woman slavery without being intolerant?

JLL is just throwing away that MR.

Sincerely,
anthropos.

[Selkie]

Posted by anthropos (here)
...You may or may not be telling the truth, you may or may no be distorting truth, you may or may not be covering in truth, to advance to your agenda (if you have one)...

I am telling the truth. I would swear to everything I have written in this thread in a court of law.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just stating the facts...

I know that you are not accusing me of anything And I, too, am stating the facts. I am stating the facts about John Lash.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...JLL has stated that himself (paraphrasing): "If you are not using your imagination, somebody is doing so for you"

What you don't seem to realize is that if it is not ok for ANYONE to seize control of people's imaginations outside of their awareness and without their consent for any reason. It is not ok for the Jews to do it, and it is not ok for John Lash to do it, either.

Posted by anthropos (here)
"So what if the FGS is not real? it is a feat of human imagination". You have to concede that to JLL, he is a great sorcerer using his and others imagination.

(my emphasis)

So was Stalin. So was Mao. So was Pol Pot. So was Jim Jones and David Koresh. So was David Berg. They were all great sorcerers. So is the CIA. There are lots of great sorcerers in the CIA. They use people's imaginations without their informed consent, too; after all, they were the ones who brought us Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon "Bombing". They all had or have contempt for people, too...just like John Lash has contempt for people. So it matters a great deal that...not IF...the FGS is not real. It matters because the only word to go on about the FGS is John Lash. It matters because when our imaginations are usurped, the power over our lives is taken away from us, and it is not ok that the power over our lives be taken away from us by anybody, for any reason.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...He performs magic using imagination. However his magic, is not pure story telling, he backs it up with heavy scholarly and seemingly practical research.

Don't forget that I have lived in John Lash's library at Ambergane House@@. I have also lived in his personal house, and so I know his library there, also, and so I know what books constitute his scholarship and I can tell you that it is not that "heavy" and is mostly jawboning. Here is one real scholar who has objections to the idea of his "scholarship" on the subject of the Archons

http://drmsh.com//?s=john+lash&x=0&y=0

Posted by anthropos (here)
...99% of what they say is just revealed, and they are the only source and they play a paramount role in the revealed material.

99% or more of what Lash spouts is revealed, too. Most of it simply comes straight out of his everyday imagination, augmented by mushroom sessions sometimes. This is what he and I used to do together. We used to sit around and drink and make **** up! We used to sit around and drink and riff on **** like toxoplasmosis (an idea that I gave him, btw) and viruses and Jews, and then he would go and make a Nav Briefing out of it after he went home, or after I went to bed. We called it "being in the rush of the second attention", but it was just making stuff up!

Posted by anthropos (here)
...Interestingly, his work, can work without him. He is not a central piece in the Sophia's mythopoesis. He is only necessary if you want (or need) to place him in the guru level. He has given away enough for the mystic/shamanic/magic practitioner to go on eir own.

(my emphasis)

Yes, and this might be a good thing IF people can avoid the mistakes Lash has made because of his egotism.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...That's my point, Rite Action [RA] precedes the (purported) 'woman event of 2013' [WE2013] by 5 years. RA is the seed from were KWP spawns, so then the WE2013 would play no significant role in the KWP conception.

The WE2013 contaminated everything that came after it. It doesn't matter how much before that things were conceived. Rite Action was the seed, but the ground that Rite Action fell upon was contaminated by greed and ambition. The seed, when it sprouted, because of the poisoned ground it fell upon, became twisted and distorted. The Thunderbird Formation, with its hyper-masculinity, is the tree that grew from the seed of Rite Action that fell on that poisoned ground.

Posted by anthropos (here)
...JLL is not falling in the 'Mephisto rule' [MR] of self-censorship. Some people love to censor themselves out of a moral superiority.

Yes, some people do love to censor themselves out of moral superiority. And some people, like John Lash, want to hijack the imaginations of others for that very same reason; out of moral superiority. The Zads think their morality is better and ought to be imposed on the people, ostensibly for their own good but really for the power of the Zads. John Lash thinks his morality is better and ought to be imposed upon people, also ostensibly for their own good and the good of the earth, but really for the power strivings of John Lash. Which leaves OUT just one thing...what the people, themselves, really want.

Posted by anthropos (here)
..JLL is just throwing away that MR.

Like hell he is. He is using the Mephisto Rule for his own gains.

addition Btw, the "purported" woman event of 2013 is real. The whole thing spanned several months and Lash talked about it in a coded way in several Nav Briefings over several months.

@@ Btw, as far as I know, Ambergane House is closed. The last time or next-to-last time I spoke with Lash, which was months ago, he had closed Ambergane and moved his library up to Witchhaven.

[sms]

Posted by Silkie (here)

Lash and I were in a shop in Gaucin. It was my birthday and he said that he wanted to buy me a gift. They had many lovely shawls and he wanted to buy one for me. Out of nowhere, and for no reason I could see, he said to me, "We don't do blue." I didn't understand what he meant and he said, "Kalika Warriors don't wear blue. We don't like the color blue." I was like, WTF? "WE DON'T 'DO' BLUE"??? "WE" don't like blue???

This is a very important detail, because, the blue colour is an archetypal colour which stands for the Soul component of the human being (green stands for the Mind component and red for the Spirit component; see my avatar).


(no blue “bulb”)


(no blue “witch”)


(no blue “plug”)

Yet, there is no shooting archons/entropic forces without the Soul energy.

Short and good, if one does not have the Soul component (Anthropoid, Organic portal, Son of God etc.), the one would not have the ammunition, the necessary vision and the understanding, therefore, he could shoot only the blanks, and in the dark.

..

[Selkie]

Posted by sms (here)

Posted by Silkie (here)

Lash and I were in a shop in Gaucin. It was my birthday and he said that he wanted to buy me a gift. They had many lovely shawls and he wanted to buy one for me. Out of nowhere, and for no reason I could see, he said to me, "We don't do blue." I didn't understand what he meant and he said, "Kalika Warriors don't wear blue. We don't like the color blue." I was like, WTF? "WE DON'T 'DO' BLUE"??? "WE" don't like blue???

This is a very important detail, because, the blue colour is an archetypal colour which stands for the Soul component of the human being (green stands for the Mind component and red for the Spirit component; see my avatar).


(no blue “bulb”)


(no blue “witch”)


(no blue “plug”)

Yet, there is no shooting archons/entropic forces without the Soul energy.

Short and good, if one does not have the Soul component (Anthropoid, Organic portal, Son of God etc.), the one would not have the ammunition, the necessary vision and the understanding, therefore, he could shoot only the blanks, and in the dark.

..

My basic take on the incident is that Lash was playing head-games with me**, but at the same time, what you say is pretty shocking. Weird, too, given that the sky is blue and Lash's whole shtick is based on sky and atmospheric mysticism. Thanks

** He played head-games with me a lot. He used to enjoy seeing me get anxious and afraid.

[Selkie]

Btw, the "telestic sessions", with mushrooms, were no different than the ordinary wine-fueled bull**** sessions Lash and I used to have. I mean, yes, we were high on mushrooms, but a "telestic session" is nothing more than a mushroom-fueled, super-stoked bull**** session. Sorry to have to break it to you, folks. There are no downloads from the mind of the earth goddess. Its all just plain, old human imagination, flying high on psilocybin. In this regard, Colin Wilson's book Frankenstein's Castle: The Right Brain: Door to Wisdom is invaluable.

addition Not that I knew any of that at the time. At the time, I was a true believer and totally deluded

[risveglio]

We already have two "war" parties in the US. We call them Democrats and Republicans. He should change the name.

[Jhonie]

Posted by cccme (here)
This fighting fire with fire can just cause more fire.
How about the war on terrorism, just creates more terrorists, which our government is well aware of because THEY LOVE THE COVER OF WAR. They are addicted to war. This war is not creating more peace, just look around. They will even lie so they can get into war in far flung countries. Someone on this thread talked about the negative energy produced by war and trauma which the Archon's live on. It's called loosh (thanks Gardener).
I think Lash wants to create this under the cover of fighting for good but really we are creating more loosh.

The true battle for me is just sitting here and keeping control of my own mind. I get daggers of hate thoughts that I have to just breath thru. But first I had to realize these hate thoughts were not mine, they are injected into my mind. A constant and unending battle. How many other there fight their own battles and how many have given up? Just like germs, don't feed the buggers.

[Selkie]

Posted by risveglio (here)
We already have two "war" parties in the US. We call them Democrats and Republicans. He should change the name.

Actually, he (John Lash) should just shut up.

[Selkie]

Posted by anthropos (here)
...JLL has stated...(paraphrasing): "If you are not using your imagination, somebody is doing so for you"...

(my emphasis)

Yes, and he wants that somebody to be him. It would not serve him at all for you to use your imagination yourself, as you see fit. That would not bring to fruition his ambition to manipulate the imagination of all humanity to his purposes. No: he wants to use your imagination for you while conning you into thinking that you are using it yourself.

[Selkie]

Posted by anthropos (here)
...you are yet another anonymous voice in the internet making accusations...

I'll tell you what...you do like I did: because you believe the FGS so intensely, like I did, and love JLL with all your heart, like I did, give JLL your life savings and move to Spain to be with him, like I did. Live with him for nearly a year, like I did, and then live within walking distance of him for two more years, like I did. And after you've done all that, and really gotten to know the real man, and not just his mask, then we can discuss whether or not I am just making accusations or whether I am telling a truth that very few people want to hear.

[araucaria]

Well, I suppose, after mnenosyne and hanson, a brand new member joining this thread was only to be expected… because there are others than JLL describing what is going on, such as Jay Weidner and Jeff Rense (my emphasis):

the thing with the Archons is, as soon as you get rid of one, they will trick you and just produce another face. Islam is not what we want to have in this world either. It is another form of Archonic trickery. I’m not saying we shouldn’t believe in the spiritual world, I do, but I’m saying we have to be a lot more discerning about what is being forced upon us. (…)
It’s a trick, a reversal of reality that the Archons are always doing. They are always trying to convince you that war is peace, that love is hate. Everything is always backwards and the ultimate in this duplication. Once you can see it, you are able to see that everything is being turned into a head-over-heels con trick where everything is reversed. I don’t know how we get out of this except to talk about it and people are very afraid. Even scholars who know about the Archons are very afraid to talk about them in public because you attract Archonic energy by even mentioning them but, at this late stage in the game, we have to start thinking about who is fooling us and why they are doing it – and study what the ancients had to say about all of it. (…)
And the thing that is certain is that the Archons hate more than anything after love is courage. They cannot stand up to courage or a clear, articulate debate because their own premises are built entirely on falsity. It’s all false and so we can begin deconstructing history by seeing through the lies. By observing outside the box, outside the norm, you can see the tricks of the Archons. Everything they do is fake, it is not real and has no history, no veracity. It is always a parasitical living off others. http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html

Truth is indeed reversible, which is why a little discernment is called for. anthropos is accusing Silkie of nothing specific – but the unspecified accusation is that she walked out on Lash and is ‘lashing out’ – showing ‘courage’ and engaging in a ‘clear, articulate debate’.

Posted by anthropos (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Although John Lash has correctly identified the issue as being between life and nonlife forms, his talk of killing, his racism and contempt for lower life forms such as cockroaches shows that he is willing to take the risk of false positives, in other words kill a few hostages. This is an untenable position to hold, not only emotionally, but also logically, because you cannot kill a machine, you can only fry its circuitry – you cannot take life from a lifeless entity.

Actually, that isn't accurate. The main problem human over human predation, the 'ankle biters' [AB] only exacerbate it, JLL has made that point clear in the GNE. Once a human get 'archontified' contact with the ABs is not even necessary.

Any inaccuracy on my part is only as relates to JLL; I am not on familiar abbreviation terms with all his jargon. Since we are talking about a parasite, allow me to disagree with the above. The main problem is not ‘human over human predation’, it is human infection with a parasite – 'ankle biters' has got to be one of the understatements of all time. ‘Once a human get 'archontified' contact with the ABs is not even necessary’: wrong again: contact to the point of intimate co-existence with the parasite has become permanent: that is how parasitism works.

Take mistletoe, a parasite that grows on certain trees (notably apple, poplar and oak). It starts with one ball in an apple-tree and if left unchecked, will eventually stifle the whole tree and the whole orchard. How the first ball of mistletoe got there is totally irrelevant: what is relevant is the dwindling supply of apples due to its presence. A farmer can only protect the trees on his own land, and that is what he does.

'Ankle biters (AB)' has got to be one of the understatements of all time. We are talking about Man eaters (ME). And the man eaters have not gone away: they are hounding humans like never before. Listen to Jay Weidner and Jeff Rense:

As the Archonic presence has spread across the earth and has escalated in the 20th century, you can see that they are responsible for sprawl and the mass ugliness that is everywhere. Television is an example of Archonic imitation.
Rense: The Archons seem to be making their big move now, at this time. http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html

As I said, we have other descriptions of what is going on apart from John Lash. Bringing Carl Jung’s notion of mass psychosis up to date, Paul Levy describes what he terms ‘ME disease’ (‘malignant egophrenia’), native Americans call it wetiko. See the following posts:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post944606
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post944068


As I also said, the main problem is not ‘human over human predation’; I suggest that once rid of the malignant parasite, humanity would revert to being as gentle as a flock of sheep. Either people are like sheep (‘sheeple’) or they are naturally violent towards each other: one cannot have it both ways. To detect where the truth lies on this issue, I rely on over half a century of personal experience, where just about everyone I have ever met was basically friendly and peace-loving, albeit in some cases with personal issues that were not necessarily likable or acceptable. I would also quote the case of an archetype of western literature and possibly history: the Homeric hero Ulysses – coming up in another post.
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[ulli]

With the discoveries about consciousness being the mover of particles we will have the myth and meme makers competing for attention more than ever.
Alone they can do nothing. They need the energies from masses of people.

But the final word on this issue rests with the One who created a universe which responds to human consciousness in the first place.
No single human would ever be capable of setting up a system like that.
And that spirit to me is real and not just a myth.
Beyond cosmic consciousness, even.
All the other myth makers are like May flies by comparison.