The Breakdown of Human Morals and Ethics and the Rise of the Psychopaths

[Selkie]

I am posting this mainly as an observation, and I would like to hear what others think about it: I have noticed that the rise in the prevalence of the psychopath in our world seems to coincide directly with the breakdown of Christian ethics.

Now, I know that some will say that it is Christian ethics that makes us vulnerable to psychopaths in the first place, but that is not how it used to be. When Christian ethics were strong, the world was a better place: not nearly as many psychopaths in high places or running the show, and much more attention to the common good. It is only lately, since Christian ethics have become senescent and Christianity has started to break down, that the psychopaths, in every walk and level of life, have started to rise. And it started to become this way in the 60's...with the CIA-manufactured pagan-like "youth movement" and the rise of the pagan-like drug culture (also CIA manufactured).

So what if Christian ethics were suppressing the expression of psychopathy? And what if the general rise of what can be called "the ethics of psychopathy" is a direct result of the weakening of Christian ethics, the "ethics of psychopathy" generally being an ethic of "me first", and Christian ethics generally being an ethic of "the common good"?

I hope I have expressed this well enough. If anyone wants clarification, don't be afraid to ask

[Baby Steps]

In the following video David Icke states that psychopathy and Demonic posession are one and the same thing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lrADlTxgYVQ

[CamillaSweden]

I have seen many psychopats even among christian people, but i don´t see them as real christians, because they
are behaving in the oposite way. But many leaders there with psychopat behaviour.

[Selkie]

Posted by CamillaSweden (here)
I have seen many psychopats even among christian people, but i don´t see them as real christians, because they
are behaving in the oposite way. But many leaders there with psychopat behaviour.

What I mean is not that there cannot be psychopaths among Christians, or whether or not they are real Christians, but whether Christian ethics suppressed psychopathy in general, like in the realm of government, how businesses, corporations and banks were run, etc.

[Selkie]

In other words, I am wondering if Christian ethics acted like a kind of herd immunity against psychopathy, which has been likened to a virus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

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Btw, I know that John Lash says that Christianity is the result of an Archontic virus, but what if its is just the opposite?

[Kryztian]

Silkie:

I would like a clarification on the "breakdown of Christian Ethics". Christianity is a 2000 year old phenomena and in the last 500 years has splintered into so many different sects each with their own practice and ethical system.

1) Are you talking about the ethics of the Christian Churches or the Christian people? Through the institution of the church people have done ethical great and not so great things. They've built hospitals and cared for those in need. They've also helped to facilitate war and injustice. They've opened peoples hearts and minds and filled them with love and they've also taught prejudice, discrimination and hatred.

Then there are the ethics that Christian people practice in their homes and lives which also have a certain duality.

2) Where in this 2000 year history do you see this ethical system breaking down?

3) What are the main ethical principals that have changed to signify this breakdown?

Thanks.

Chris

[Selkie]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
Silkie:

I would like a clarification on the "breakdown of Christian Ethics". Christianity is a 2000 year old phenomena and in the last 500 years has splintered into so many different sects each with their own practice and ethical system.

1) Are you talking about the ethics of the Christian Churches or the Christian people? Through the institution of the church people have done ethical great and not so great things. They've built hospitals and cared for those in need. They've also helped to facilitate war and injustice. They've opened peoples hearts and minds and filled them with love and they've also taught prejudice, discrimination and hatred.

Then there are the ethics that Christian people practice in their homes and lives which also have a certain duality.

2) Where in this 2000 year history do you see this ethical system breaking down?

3) What are the main ethical principals that have changed to signify this breakdown?

Thanks.

Chris

I am thinking of Christian ethics in general...love thy neighbor, do unto others, concern for the common good...that kind of thing; the very general grasp of Christian ethics that everyone who wants the world to be a good place practices every day without even thinking about it, and that all sects seem to espouse, no matter what their other doctrine might say.

Of course, no one is going to live these ethics perfectly. No one lives anything perfectly, so of course there is duality. But I am talking about the general effect that Christian ethics would have on the general state of the society, wars and abuses notwithstanding.

addition As I said in the OP, I see it starting to seriously break down in the mid-60's, with the CIA manufactured "youth movement" and drug culture. And by the breakdown of Christian ethics, I mean the rise of "me first" ethics, and "greed is good" ethics...which is basically the ethics of psychopathy.

[Heartsong]

I think there has always been a duality between the morality that religions promote and the actual practices of human beings. The more I read of history the more I'm convinced that these times we're in are no different than any other times. What we have now is faster communications and media that headlines the more gruesome of our human endeavors.

Remember also that ones reality and what one is aware of changes as we age. For instance, I never notice types of cars until it's time to buy a new one. Given your age, the focus of the sixties was home, school, and Mom and Dad. Perhaps you don't remember the assassination of Kennedy or King, the race riots, or the Viet Nam war. As we age our focus is outwardly directed and we see the environment, the wars, the financial downfall as predominate.

Christian ethics are a standard that few meet. The attempt is honorable and the world would be in better shape if more attained it. And, by the way, Christian ethics are found in most all religions.

[grannyfranny100]

I have a different view. As more and more people started wearing glasses, it was easy to wonder if people's eyesight was getting worse. To the contrary, more people with poor sight were getting help. As more people are awakening, we are becoming aware of how invasive psychopathy is.

The following documentary is quite telling about psychopathy within some religious groups. What is the price of a soul? At a time when televangelists can fill a stadium, religion has in many ways put a price tag on salvation. Selling God is a fascinating survey of evangelical Christianity from Biblical times to the rise of megachurches.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KbZjoA9WrvM

[Ted]

Weakening ethics and morals also weakens society, making it more vulnerable to coercion. The attack on the family unit and the corruption of education are also part of the agenda. Strong ethics and morals come from the way in which people are raised. Kids learn by example, and if all their time is spent in school, daycare and then in front of a TV, the end result is a reflection of all that input.
What happened to the days when a handshake was as good as a contract, and people kept their word as a matter of strong principal? How many people these days do things because it is their moral obligation to do so? Those values have been culled from society as being old fashioned and unrealistic. The underlying theme being that old school was regressive and repressive. How can one be a progressive and still hold on to what was important in the past? Do we really like where society has progressed to.

[Selkie]

Posted by Heartsong (here)
I think there has always been a duality between the morality that religions promote and the actual practices of human beings. The more I read of history the more I'm convinced that these times we're in are no different than any other times. What we have now is faster communications and media that headlines the more gruesome of our human endeavors.

Oh, yes, that's right, mass shootings were common before the 60's, just like they are now. And decades ago, CEO's were always looting corporations and the shareholders, like they are now. And yup, pension funds were looted, like now. And everyone in every small town always locked their doors at night, like now. And serial killers...lets not forget the serial killers. There were lots of them before the 60's...just like there are now. And before the 60's, bankers were called "banksters", like they are now. And of course, the news industry never played up the bad news to sell papers back then. And 3-year-olds were being given psychiatric meds back then, just like they are now. And the police were armed to the gills and treated the populace like an occupying army back then, just like they do now. Yup, things were like they are now, so much so that someone coming back from a trip to Mars for 50 years would still feel at home here. Or maybe not.

I do not deny that there has always been some of that, in one form of another, but the sheer scope and scale of it has gone way, way up.

Posted by Heartsong (here)
...Given your age, the focus of the sixties was home, school, and Mom and Dad. Perhaps you don't remember the assassination of Kennedy or King, the race riots, or the Viet Nam war.

I remember those events very well, and they are perfect examples of what I am talking about. All those events were CIA-originated or CIA-driven, and the CIA, as everyone should know, pretty much seems to be an organization of psychopaths. As I said, the changes toward a more pathological society seemed to start in the 60's, maybe not coincidentally seeming to start with the Kennedy Assassination. In the 60's, all of a sudden the U.S. was seized by social unrest, and its been like that ever since. Before that, there was some social unrest...there always has been some, and there always will be...but with the advent of the mid-60's it was like something changed. David McGowan, in Programmed to Kill the Politics of Serial Murder, says that the CIA brought the Phoenix Program home from Vietnam, where its murderous thugs were butchering and terrorizing the Vietnamese, and let it loose on Americans, also with the aim of terrorizing us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

http://www.amazon.com/Programmed-Kil.../dp/0595326404

The Phoenix program was pure psychopathy, the product of psychopathic minds.

Posted by Heartsong (here)
...The attempt is honorable and the world would be in better shape if more attained it.

Uh...that's basically what I said in the OP. But its not the average person who doesn't practice those ethics. The average person still pretty much practices Christian ethics. It seems to be the leaders and people in positions of authority who have changed, and taken on psychopathic ethics: CEOs, bankers...especially investment bankers...politicians, the police. Those people. Now you don't get to the top of the financial or social food-chain by being a nice guy, but it did seem to be like there was more restraint in place. Just about everyone seems to agree that the world has become a more violent and ruthless place than it has been in a very long time, in spite of the fact that there have always been wars and abuses and corrupt leaders.

Posted by Heartsong (here)
...And, by the way, Christian ethics are found in most all religions.

Yes, I know, but for Westerners in general, they come to us by way of the Christians.

[Selkie]

Btw, I am not a crypto-Christian. Just to let everyone know.

[Selkie]

Posted by Ted (here)
Weakening ethics and morals also weakens society, making it more vulnerable to coercion. The attack on the family unit and the corruption of education are also part of the agenda. Strong ethics and morals come from the way in which people are raised. Kids learn by example, and if all their time is spent in school, daycare and then in front of a TV, the end result is a reflection of all that input.
What happened to the days when a handshake was as good as a contract, and people kept their word as a matter of strong principal? How many people these days do things because it is their moral obligation to do so? Those values have been culled from society as being old fashioned and unrealistic. The underlying theme being that old school was regressive and repressive. How can one be a progressive and still hold on to what was important in the past? Do we really like where society has progressed to.

Thanks very much for this. Its exactly what I was talking about. Things have changed. Now, a handshake is not enough...you can have a iron-clad written contract, and it may mean nothing because some people feel like they do not have to keep their word, or honor their contracts. The danger facing pension funds is a very good example of that kind of thing.

I, for one, do not like where society has "progressed" to. It is not really progress at all, as your post makes perfectly clear. The Wild West, for example, was not progressive...it was just lawless. It will not do to confuse lawlessness with progress. Our society is becoming lawless at the same time it is taking on the features of a police state. Those at the top and in authority are becoming more and more psychopathic and lawless at the same time they are treating the peaceable average person as a criminal.

[Joe Akulis]

Posted by Silkie (here)
What I mean is not that there cannot be psychopaths among Christians, or whether or not they are real Christians, but whether Christian ethics suppressed psychopathy in general, like in the realm of government, how businesses, corporations and banks were run, etc.

A general, rosy statement like this makes me think someone might want to take time to read about the real America. Come back after reading Wade's essay on the American Empire, and see if you still agree that governments and businesses have been conducting themselves ethically for the past 500 years.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm


P.S. Here's another: "you can have a iron-clad written contract, and it may mean nothing because some people feel like they do not have to keep their word, or honor their contracts."

Someone needs to read about how America has honored every contract/treaty ever entered into with Native Americans.

[grannyfranny100]

Posted by Ted (here)
Weakening ethics and morals also weakens society, making it more vulnerable to coercion. The attack on the family unit and the corruption of education are also part of the agenda. Strong ethics and morals come from the way in which people are raised. Kids learn by example, and if all their time is spent in school, daycare and then in front of a TV, the end result is a reflection of all that input.
What happened to the days when a handshake was as good as a contract, and people kept their word as a matter of strong principal? How many people these days do things because it is their moral obligation to do so? Those values have been culled from society as being old fashioned and unrealistic. The underlying theme being that old school was regressive and repressive. How can one be a progressive and still hold on to what was important in the past? Do we really like where society has progressed to

Ted, in the olden days (my childhood), the scale of communities were smaller. People knew each other, kids had lots of relatives nearby, ethics and morals were easier when people knew if you broke your handshake deal.

After WWII, soldiers did not necessarily return to their small communities; they went where the jobs were and families were scattered around the country rather than down the street. It was a time of material prosperity and their children, the baby boomers, developed a give me, give attitude. The society was more complex and situational ethics developed. People could rationalize their behavior without others knowing. People gave up on churches and their lack of relevancy to the changes in society.

Some people developed a psychopathic attitude in keeping with leaders at work and politics. Others struggled with their desire for worthy values. Many churches developed psychopathic marketing scams to increase membership and revenues. Watch the video I posted earlier.

Eventually, people gathered online at forums like this. Most are very concerned about ethics and morals but they do not limit their perspective to "Christian" only ethics and morals. When the YWCA did not offer yoga classes because it was evil and learning about Eastern culture was taboo, the search began for a more global perspective on morals and ethics.

With more college educated adults, it is no longer a time of preachers dictating behavioral norms. People explore their own inner life and declare themselves spiritual rather than religious because they find religions inadequate and filled with psychopaths as much as any other aspect of society. This is a time of transition.

[araucaria]

Here is a post I drafted over the weekend that seems germane to the discussion here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post971804

[Selkie]

Posted by Joe Akulis (here)

Posted by Silkie (here)
[...]
What I mean is not that there cannot be psychopaths among Christians, or whether or not they are real Christians, but whether Christian ethics suppressed psychopathy in general, like in the realm of government, how businesses, corporations and banks were run, etc.

A general, rosy statement like this makes me think someone might want to take time to read about the real America. Come back after reading Wade's essay on the American Empire, and see if you still agree that governments and businesses have been conducting themselves ethically for the past 500 years.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm


P.S. Here's another: "you can have a iron-clad written contract, and it may mean nothing because some people feel like they do not have to keep their word, or honor their contracts."

Someone needs to read about how America has honored every contract/treaty ever entered into with Native Americans.

Governments are always violent, and duplicitous. That is not in dispute. What I am saying is that there was more RESTRAINT. The key word is RESTRAINT. The nature of psychopaths is that they have no restraint. They have no conscience and therefor they have no brakes or checks on their behavior...they have no restraint. The government simply did not used to be so unrestrained. Neither did the corporations and the banks. What loosened the restraints? To me, it seems to be a concerted effort, beginning in the 60's, to overturn Christian values. As imperfectly as they were lived, Christian values were lived well enough by enough people to make life for most people relatively safe and secure.

addition In the case of the Native Americans, they were not Christian, and so maybe the government felt like it did not need to even pretend to practice Christian values in its dealing with them.

[Selkie]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Here is a post I drafted over the weekend that seems germane to the discussion here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post971804

Yes, it is...its is very germane, and thanks!

[Hervé]

From a different perspective due to a different perception:

If you sense the world is not the same place it was 20 or 30 years ago, that there seems to be a heavier and more evil presence in general, you are not imagining it.

There is indeed a heavier presence here on earth. It is for the purpose of the very last stage of "The Plan". In this last stage, the supernatural is being combined with the physical which will culminate in a spiritual global world order.

Carolyn Hamlett, Underground Bases & Nephilim are Real - Insider

As for "The Plan," see this thread: The Blog of The Ruiner - Inside the Illuminati Mind

[Ted]

Well put Granny. There are no secrets in a small town, which forces people to be more responsible for their own behavior. There used to be a sense of pride along with the attitude of "The Buck Stops Here". People took responsibility for their choices and obligations, and didn't shirk it off.
The moral compass of these people was definitely set in church. Like many things in life, the church is not all bad and not all good. On the good side are the lessons of love, compassion, honesty and the rest of the "Christian" virtues. These virtues are certainly not the sole possession of Christianity, but are referred to as such since that's where a majority of the population here were exposed to them.
Without some kind of regular reminder, folks tend not to rise to a higher ethical and moral standard. Instead they do what is expedient and most beneficial to themselves.
Ethics and morals are not as much a part of our societal awareness as they once were. It's easy to backslide without some sort of accountability. People used to consider it part of their social responsibility to point out lapses in conduct of their fellow citizens. Now it's pretty much anything goes. If I criticize anyone these days I'm considered an intolerant bigot, even if the criticism is legitimate. Nobody is allowed to have a different moral opinion than what is acceptable to Hollywood and the mainstream media.
In other words, the lack of moral dissent has produced moral descent.

Cheers,

Ted