The Corey Goode affair: various updates from David Wilcock

[Pam]

Posted by Curt (here)
I'm sorry for Corey. I'm sure he must be in a great deal of pain- physical, psychic and otherwise.

...Setting aside Blue Avians, Milabs, and all of his claims to knowledge about secret government goings-on and exopolitical happenings...

Here's a guy who- whether he's telling the truth about his experiences or not- has clearly been abused by the same 'machine' that abuses us all.

It's hard to judge someone in this situation too harshly- at least once the initial anger subsides.

This 'machine' has hammered us all since birth and continues to hammer and mangle us relentlessly.

Some of us bear it gracefully, and others lash out like wounded animals- and do whatever they can to survive.

When I see Corey today, I see myself, and choose, in this rare moment of clarity, to have sympathy and compassion for us both- and for us all.

Curt, you have stated your sentiments beautifully. We all really have been damaged. and your empathy and compassion are appreciated. For just the reasons that you mentioned in this beautiful post I feel it is imperative that everything this man says must be looked at with a fine tooth comb. When you offer hope of salvation for the whole of mankind it is a very serious thing. We have all been beaten down at so many levels. All of us are vulnerable here on a dying planet, waiting for the end of days with little hope in sight. If someone is going to claim that they have first hand experience that will offer us a way out, they had dang better be speaking the truth as best they know it. When I see those who have bought his story hook, line and sinker, I think of how very sad it will be when and if they discover that all this was a crock like so many before him. If he is doing this to gain his 15 minutes of fame at the expense of others that is really heart breaking.

We have every right to look at what he is saying and to use discernment regarding everything that comes out of his mouth regarding this issue. He has stated some things about his work history and salary that do not seem to match the facts. That does not look good for his credibility. If I turn out to be inaccurate about my search for the truth of this matter, I will be the first to apologize. I will also be delighted to be wrong. We are seekers of the truth, and this is one of the times it is appropriate to check things out.

[Selene]

We are all looking at Corey and asking ourselves: Is he the perfect being we want or demand him to be in order to be the bearer of a worthy message? In other words: Can we trust ourselves to understand the message and think for ourselves – or are we still waiting for some demigod of perfection, the Approved One, to lead us, he/she the angel with the flaming sword to show up on our doorstep to instruct us? The God complex, in other words. The ‘Someone Else’ who comes bearing truth and removes all need for our own autonomy or free will?

This isn’t Corey: he’s a human like the rest of us, except only that he has also has been deliberately messed with as a part of his Milab experience. They built the self-destruct into the model, remember. He’s been screwed over on purpose, so he can be safely discounted by we who expect and await human perfection. They’ve broken him in order to fail us.

This is precisely the human weakness that has defeated us again and again: The belief that only a Perfect Being can lead us – and if we, collectively, decide that someone/entity isn’t a Perfect Being on whatever terms, we’re out. Nada. Zip. Move on. He’s junk, merely human and I won’t listen.

We want him to be a leader; he is instead merely a messenger. I’m not saying that everything he says is accurate; I’m saying it needs to be evaluated on its own terms.

As my own beloved teacher once commented: ‘Too many people refuse to learn anything higher unless they can be taught by a perfect master. Okay, do you really think you are the perfect pupil?’

Our collective skepticism has been well nurtured by the PTB, crying wolf, after wolf, after wolf, and quite deliberately. Harden us against trusting anyone. Give us a fear of looking foolish (whooo, ego!). Make mockery and cynicism fashionable. Perfect. Teach to ignore our own heart, and follow the herd of fashion. Teach fear of ourselves.

Listen to the message instead, my dear brothers and sisters. And think and decide for yourself, this is your privilege. Corey is merely the messenger. We are all flawed humans.

Thank you so much, Curt, for your message of compassion and decency.

Cheers,

Selene

[Brizil]

Posted by Selene (here)
We are all looking at Corey and asking ourselves: Is he the perfect being we want or demand him to be in order to be the bearer of a worthy message? In other words: Can we trust ourselves to understand the message and think for ourselves – or are we still waiting for some demigod of perfection, the Approved One, to lead us, he/she the angel with the flaming sword to show up on our doorstep to instruct us? The God complex, in other words. The ‘Someone Else’ who comes bearing truth and removes all need for our own autonomy or free will?

This isn’t Corey: he’s a human like the rest of us, except only that he has also has been deliberately messed with as a part of his Milab experience. They built the self-destruct into the model, remember. He’s been screwed over on purpose, so he can be safely discounted by we who expect and await human perfection. They’ve broken him in order to fail us.

This is precisely the human weakness that has defeated us again and again: The belief that only a Perfect Being can lead us – and if we, collectively, decide that someone/entity isn’t a Perfect Being on whatever terms, we’re out. Nada. Zip. Move on. He’s junk, merely human and I won’t listen.

We want him to be a leader; he is instead merely a messenger. I’m not saying that everything he says is accurate; I’m saying it needs to be evaluated on its own terms.

As my own beloved teacher once commented: ‘Too many people refuse to learn anything higher unless they can be taught by a perfect master. Okay, do you really think you are the perfect pupil?’

Our collective skepticism has been well nurtured by the PTB, crying wolf, after wolf, after wolf, and quite deliberately. Harden us against trusting anyone. Give us a fear of looking foolish (whooo, ego!). Make mockery and cynicism fashionable. Perfect. Teach to ignore our own heart, and follow the herd of fashion. Teach fear of ourselves.

Listen to the message instead, my dear brothers and sisters. And think and decide for yourself, this is your privilege. Corey is merely the messenger. We are all flawed humans.

Thank you so much, Curt, for your message of compassion and decency.

Cheers,

Selene

Well Said Selene!

This discussion has become not just about what Corey Goode is claiming but also about how we treat others who may or may not be right, wrong, delusional, nonsensical, a hero, an individual who is spreading disinfo, or someone that is providing us with a glimpse into a world that some of us would be thrilled to understand. One of my favorite books is The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. One of the agreements is to be "impeccable with your word." Mr. Ruiz asserts that "criticisms are like homing pigeons." I agree with his assertion and do my best to utilize it. Nevertheless, I often have a hard time telling the difference between whether or not I'm criticizing someone or just looking at the facts (or what I perceive as facts) about him/her and the information he/she is providing and coming to my own conclusion. I try my best to not look at things as right, wrong, good, bad, or normal and abnormal. Nevertheless, this becomes very difficult at times when you hear about things like children being raped, murdering of innocence etc. And it can be just as difficult when your hearing things that Corey is claiming. So I have a question for you. How can we have an intelligent, collaborative discussion about the information Corey is presenting without being critical or judgemental of it? Thank you for your excellent contribution to this discussion!

[araucaria]

Posted by Selene (here)
We want him to be a leader; he is instead merely a messenger. I’m not saying that everything he says is accurate; I’m saying it needs to be evaluated on its own terms.

I thanked my friend Curt’s post because I agree with his compassionate view, and of course I also agree with that part of your post, Selene, that echoes his. But you say other things that I do not accept.


‘We want him to be a leader’? No, I agree, we don’t. We don’t want leaders, because we don’t want to be followers. We don’t want to be followers because, you see, while we are heading together in the same direction, we are each making our own personal journey with intersections and branch-offs. You have to blaze your own trail.


‘He is merely a messenger’. A messenger who nearly knocks the door down to hand you a message from his leader, no thank you.



‘It needs to be evaluated on its own terms’: this has been done, it’s more junk mail. Sorry.

[Mike]

thomas jefferson has a great quote: "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions"

its always stayed with me. i never hesitate to use ridicule in my life. i embrace it. for me it is the only sane response to an insane world. it is the antidote to absurdity. and this corey character is nothing if not absurd.

we all have pretty good excuses to fall off the rails in our lives...but we dont all do it. if he wants to make a living telling lies about milabs etc, so be it, but the relentless slandering of avalon and its representatives is unconscionable. it doesnt mean he should be dragged over the coals for all eternity...but it does mean he's gonna suffer some sh!tty karma for a bit. and i think thats a healthy exchange...for all parties involved.

i am not without compassion (see: Curt's elegant post above), but i cannot fill myself with it until ive emptied myself of all my frustration.

[idiit]

I think there is a pretty viscous smear campaign against corey here at this forum.

hindsight is ever better than foresight.

we'll know if the ad hominem attacks are justified in a short while.

for those coery haters; show me the proof that he is a delusional liar.

I don't think at this time in you have anything but "suppositions" to back up the conduct that is supposed to be "out of bounds" on this forum.

teach me the error of my ways. i'm a student. i'll learn and make the adjustments.

i'm serious. if i'm a "wide eyed opie taylor niave sucker" then I don't want to stay that way. I want to change into a better person. I work hard at becoming a better person in many ways every day.

please help me.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by idiit (here)
I think there is a pretty viscous smear campaign against corey here at this forum.

Keep watching .

(and do you best not to support a smear campaign against this forum, on the (in my considerable experience) false charge that there's a viscious smear campaign against Corey here.)

[araucaria]

Here we go again.

Corey's account here was closed by mutual consent, meaning that he made himself unwelcome then walked out as he was being banned. Hence, of his own doing and his own making, Avalon has become a Corey-free zone, although the odd member will try and twist that into its opposite. If you do not accept the management's position on this issue, which is in line with evey other decision it makes, and thus defines the forum for what it is, then that means that you yourself are Avalon-incompatible. There are various possible solutions to this problem, but the problem most definitely lies with the individual member, not the forum.

[Brizil]

Hello everyone! This is becoming a debate which means there is a win/loss situation developing. There is really no need to spend emotional energy on that because nothing of use for anyone here will come of it. I think I understand why this has happended and would like to see us all work together. I've seen situations develop like this on this forum before and it can get quite messy. Do we really want that?

[Pam]

Posted by Selene (here)
We are all looking at Corey and asking ourselves: Is he the perfect being we want or demand him to be in order to be the bearer of a worthy message? In other words: Can we trust ourselves to understand the message and think for ourselves – or are we still waiting for some demigod of perfection, the Approved One, to lead us, he/she the angel with the flaming sword to show up on our doorstep to instruct us? The God complex, in other words. The ‘Someone Else’ who comes bearing truth and removes all need for our own autonomy or free will?

This isn’t Corey: he’s a human like the rest of us, except only that he has also has been deliberately messed with as a part of his Milab experience. They built the self-destruct into the model, remember. He’s been screwed over on purpose, so he can be safely discounted by we who expect and await human perfection. They’ve broken him in order to fail us.

This is precisely the human weakness that has defeated us again and again: The belief that only a Perfect Being can lead us – and if we, collectively, decide that someone/entity isn’t a Perfect Being on whatever terms, we’re out. Nada. Zip. Move on. He’s junk, merely human and I won’t listen.

We want him to be a leader; he is instead merely a messenger. I’m not saying that everything he says is accurate; I’m saying it needs to be evaluated on its own terms.

As my own beloved teacher once commented: ‘Too many people refuse to learn anything higher unless they can be taught by a perfect master. Okay, do you really think you are the perfect pupil?’

Our collective skepticism has been well nurtured by the PTB, crying wolf, after wolf, after wolf, and quite deliberately. Harden us against trusting anyone. Give us a fear of looking foolish (whooo, ego!). Make mockery and cynicism fashionable. Perfect. Teach to ignore our own heart, and follow the herd of fashion. Teach fear of ourselves.

Listen to the message instead, my dear brothers and sisters. And think and decide for yourself, this is your privilege. Corey is merely the messenger. We are all flawed humans.

Thank you so much, Curt, for your message of compassion and decency.

Cheers,

Selene

You are correct, Selene. There are very few on this planet that are able to walk the talk of the message that they convey. I have certainly received life enhancing messages from some of those people. That is because their message transcends their human frailty. Even Gandhi had moments of human frailty, and it would be foolish to discard his message(s) because of it. I can take things from him and better my life with it.

Is it wrong to examine the past of a presidential candidate before we vote (if you choose to do so)? Is it wrong to question the integrity of one who gives us a potential world saving message? I don't believe we are looking for a saint, I surely am not. I am looking for integrity to validate the message. That is the best indication to me that what someone is saying is their truth. If someone is prone to exaggeration or untruth in the past, it is not unreasonable to believe that what they say today might be exaggerated and untruthful. If I were to come forth today and tell you that I am having contacts with ET's or gods or whatever, I would expect you to question me. I would expect you to look at my past. If you took me at my word, without question, I would call you naive, or trusting to a fault. There are many types of human frailty. Some of our most valued leaders in the past were womanizers and scoundrels but they may not be dishonest, although I suspect most were. So looking at someone's past may give us indicators of whether that person has integrity. And of course integrity, in itself, is not a black and white thing. It is in many ways subjective. Unfortunately, we do not live in a world where taking everything a face value makes sense, and I do not apologize for examining the messenger.

I am also curious how you know that he is a Milab survivor? What proof is there? You seem to be stating that as fact in your post. Maybe it is possible that his handlers were so sophisticated that they gave him characteristics of a sociopath. I am referring to making grandiose statements about himself, even though they could be proved inaccurate. I do admit that this would be really, really clever. What do think of Drake? The last guy to promise us the moon that DW was promoting? Regardless of what any of us think, he and his message have come and gone. Do you have empathy for those that were devastated and humiliated because they believed his message?


In regards to this specific message that Cory is giving to us, I am a little wary of a world of ET's that operate at the same level that we do on planet earth. I am not talking about the advanced technology, but the basic social structures and general atmosphere and interactions that were projected. I get the feeling of a male dominated military, with the same tired hierarchy of generals, lieutenants and the like, very similar to what we have here. Somehow, I can't see that model taking us to any higher place of peace and cohesion. Yes, there is a sprinkling from the Law of One, but I have the feeling it is thrown in there as an afterthought and I do not see a meaningful integration of the Law of One influencing the actions of the players at any significant level. Yes, I am a female, so that could bias my take on things and this is only my take of the message. So if I were to look only at the message, I take away very, very little that is uplifting in anyway. In fact, it is downright depressing, even though we will all be given new technology and wealth. Because if this is true what I see is more of the same with some additional players.The equalized wealth will be ripped out of the pockets of the meek and trusting by the more ambitious and greedy, and soon we will be back to square one. I do not see the evolution of human consciousness occurring with the same type of social structures that we have today. Therefore, intuitively, this message does not ring true, regardless of the messenger.

[Brizil]

Posted by idiit (here)
I think there is a pretty viscous smear campaign against corey here at this forum.

hindsight is ever better than foresight.

we'll know if the ad hominem attacks are justified in a short while.

for those coery haters; show me the proof that he is a delusional liar.

I don't think at this time in you have anything but "suppositions" to back up the conduct that is supposed to be "out of bounds" on this forum.

teach me the error of my ways. i'm a student. i'll learn and make the adjustments.

i'm serious. if i'm a "wide eyed opie taylor niave sucker" then I don't want to stay that way. I want to change into a better person. I work hard at becoming a better person in many ways every day.

please help me.

Me too idiit! I think we all want to be better people. I believe this is the tricky part. How do we collaborate without judging, criticizing and debating with each other. And to add to the complexity of the matter, many of us will disagree about what constitutes a criticism and judgement.

[Jake]

Corey, wherever you are,, love to you, brother Bear!

Idiit,, Corey and I were friends. We shared stories, laughed, cried,, etc... I was sworn to secrecy over much of it.. I will not revisit for you the damage that has been done.. And I cannot reveal to you,, or anyone,, what was shared in secret!!! For my part, I honor our friendship.. I can tell you this,, the stories he is telling now are Not consistent,, Whatsoever..

I will add that you and I have completely different definitions of -smear campaign-..

For my part,, I called hem brother bear.. I doubt he even remembers it...

Jake

[idiit]

I came here to learn. if I get it wrong, I do want to get it right. i'm willing to make adjustments. no problem.

i'm subbed. i'm watching. I stated my perspective.

hopefully, all's good. live and learn.....

[Jake]

Posted by idiit (here)
I came here to learn. if I get it wrong, I do want to get it right. i'm willing to make adjustments. no problem.

i'm subbed. i'm watching. I stated my perspective.

hopefully, all's good. live and learn.....

Ha! Made me grin from ear to ear.. Im here to learn too. BTW, Welcome to Avalon!!!

You're input is Most welcome, of course...

See you 'round!
Jake

[Selene]

Posted by peterpam
I am also curious how you know that he is a Milab survivor? What proof is there? You seem to be stating that as fact in your post. Maybe it is possible that his handlers were so sophisticated that they gave him characteristics of a sociopath. I am referring to making grandiose statements about himself, even though they could be proved inaccurate. I do admit that this would be really, really clever.

I was – as some of you may recall – a mod here when Corey began posting his material about the secret space program. He was, at that time, in very close communication with Bill Ryan’s then-wife, Christine, who was also a mod and is a fine healer and therapist. This is on public record here.

As mods, we all engaged in several private discussions about how, in general, our forum should handle Milabs who came forward to discuss their experiences on this site. Several measures were eventually implemented.

Throughout that time Bill Ryan and all my fellow mods considered Corey Goode to be a true Milab, including one of us who identifies themself as a Milab. All of our discussions were predicated on that reality. No one I am aware of has ever questioned that nor done so since.

Indeed, many of the concerns expressed by us were predicated on the issues related to Milab triggering and programming, multiple alters, trauma and self-destructive personality modifications – the very things being called into question here, if I may say so.

What do think of Drake? The last guy to promise us the moon that DW was promoting?

My personal perspective on Drake and others is somewhat different, and each case must be assessed separately. So if you don’t mind, I’d prefer not to digress here.

Regardless of what any of us think, he [Drake] and his message have come and gone. Do you have empathy for those that were devastated and humiliated because they believed his message?

Certainly, none of us like making fools of ourselves; we all fear that, don’t we? I wish I had dollar for every stupid thing I’ve ever done. Don’t we all? And each person is certainly entitled to their own opinion. It is important to respect that.

But the equation here is somewhat different for me, in my personal analysis. In other words, I ask myself: what’s the worst that can happen at this point if I listen to Corey? I will look foolish. So what? Am I that important? Is that the first time that’s ever happened to anyone? That’s the potential downside – and it is, in my view, a limited one at this point. If the higher message that we need to become more loving and of service to those around us is in any way truly harmful, I’d be greatly surprised.

On the other hand, the potential upside of taking seriously the space program data that Corey is revealing could be of considerable value going forward. If we turn away without listening, is it because we have some better information source in view? Or simply because we are afraid of ourselves?

And that – to me – is what is important here: that SSP data, not the messenger. Few members here seem to have any difficulty with the Draco and Mantids of Simon Parkes’ world, for instance. His comments are treated with considerable respect. Why can we not listen to Corey? That he evokes such strong emotions here is in itself a good indicator that there may be something much deeper occurring in this saga, that we are indeed being challenged at the level of our core beliefs.

So in that respect, I will personally continue to keep an open mind and continue to gather data as the issue unfolds before coming to any conclusions. If, indeed, there is a civil war going on within the Secret Space Program, as an ongoing issue it would deserve some careful attention, in my view. Corey may not be the clearest window we have into that world, but right now it’s the best one we’ve got. Time will tell what else we may learn, and from whom.

Thanks for your questions, Peterpam.

Regards,

Selene

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Selene (here)

Corey may not be the clearest window we have into that world, but right now it’s the only one we’ve got.

Well, that's not quite the case. We have detailed testimony from Camelot witness Henry Deacon (and his story is definitely 100% real), from Michael Relfe (whose story I'm pretty sure is real), and also from Kerry's more recent witness Captain Mark Richards (whose story I think is real, but who I've never spoken with).

There's also extensive testimony from Dr Bill Deagle and Jay Weidner (though not all in one place), and also some fascinating snippets of information from Ben Rich, Gordon Novel and Gary McKinnon. And extensive, detailed, documented commentary from Linda Moulton Howe, and Richard Dolan. They're the two best researchers in the field.

And on YouTube (here's the playlist), one can view the entire 2014 San Mateo (CA) Secret Space Conference program. The videos below run for a total of over 12 hours, and are packed with good, well-researched information. The conference featured

• Richard Dolan
• Robert Morningstar
• Michael Schratt
• Catherine Austin Fitts
• Jon Rappoport
• Carol Rosin
• Joseph Farrell
• Mark McCandlish.
  

There's a new documentary coming out soon, called Packing for Mars... yours truly is featured. I've seen a pre-release version, it's two hours long, packed with witnesses and commentary, and it's quite excellent. Corey is not in it.

Why this post? Well, Selene was not quite correct. There's PLENTY of information out there. And not one tiny bit of it accords in any substance with anything Corey has said. Regarding ET contact information, that's not even mentioned in this post.... there are more than a hundred contactee-written books from the 50s, 60s and 70s with interesting but totally unprovable material of this very general nature.

[Selene]

You are correct, of course, Bill. Even as you were posting the above, I had edited my comment to read "best window" from "only window."

In that respect, I view Corey's information as coherent with the data of the fine researchers and whistleblowers you have cited here. His viewpoint differs in that he offers a broader perspective and is related to ongoing events, while many of the others can speak only from their more confined and historical experience. I hope you will accept my edit.

Cheers,

selene

[Nature Spirit]

The difference between me and Corey is:

When asked to jump into the lightship for transport to the Moon, he didn't ask, "Can I bring my dog?"

Probably the most unbelievable part of all..... :0)

[Brizil]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Selene (here)

Corey may not be the clearest window we have into that world, but right now it’s the only one we’ve got.

Well, that's not quite the case. We have detailed testimony from Camelot witness Henry Deacon (and his story is definitely 100% real), from Michael Relfe (whose story I'm pretty sure is real), and also from Kerry's more recent witness Captain Mark Richards (whose story I think is real, but who I've never spoken with).

There's also extensive testimony from Dr Bill Deagle and Jay Weidner (though not all in one place), and also some fascinating snippets of information from Ben Rich, Gordon Novel and Gary McKinnon. And extensive, detailed, documented commentary from Linda Moulton Howe, and Richard Dolan. They're the two best researchers in the field.

And on YouTube (here's the playlist), one can view the entire 2014 San Mateo (CA) Secret Space Conference program. The videos below run for a total of over 12 hours, and are packed with good, well-researched information. The conference featured

• Richard Dolan
• Robert Morningstar
• Michael Schratt
• Catherine Austin Fitts
• Jon Rappoport
• Carol Rosin
• Joseph Farrell
• Mark McCandlish.
  

There's a new documentary coming out soon, called Packing for Mars... yours truly is featured. I've seen a pre-release version, it's two hours long, packed with witnesses and commentary, and it's quite excellent. Corey is not in it.

Why this post? Well, Selene was not quite correct. There's PLENTY of information out there. And not one tiny bit of it accords in any substance with anything Corey has said. Regarding ET contact information, that's not even mentioned in this post.... there are more than a hundred contactee-written books from the 50s, 60s and 70s with interesting but totally unprovable material of this very general nature.

Bill, your post was an example of just presenting out facts as you know them without making any deflamatory remarks about Corey. I believe this promotes the participants of this thread to analyze these facts in there own unique ways and coming to their own conclusions. This is a collaborative effort that will make this a much more productive discussion.

[idiit]

^ I got no problem with this type of dialogue. very constructive imo.