The Corey Goode affair: various updates from David Wilcock

[Jake]

Posted by Selene (here)

Throughout that time Bill Ryan and all my fellow mods considered Corey Goode to be a true Milab, including one of us who identifies themself as a Milab. All of our discussions were predicated on that reality. No one I am aware of has ever questioned that nor done so since.
Selene

Well, to be fair,, many of the exploratory angles considered that, for sure. Definately not all.

Perhaps you haven't seen this quote from Corey from 2012, right here at Avalon... It speaks volumes! I, for one,, was cannot decide which of his opposing testimonies to consider...

Posted by GoodETxSG (here)

I come from a long line of Military Intel family, I have been told by Mil and Civ people that I am a MILAB, but I do not quite buy it... no memories of that stuff... wife says I act out battle scenarios and shout out orders in my sleep but I was an Intel/Communications guy... so I chalk that up to watching to many movies and listening to tooo many war stories.

it is worth noting..
Jake

[idiit]

I've been thru extreme trauma. i'm now on social disability as an official medical certified "trauma victim".

the society we live in likes to blame the trauma as the person. it's the viscous circle of victimization that is very difficult to escape.

it's like calling cancer "john". john is not the cancer. john is a spirit inhabiting a human life form for a while.

corey imo is/was a severe trauma victim. he acted out the trauma. we should not blame the trauma on corey.

to notice erratic behavior from a trauma victim and then going "see!, see how you can't trust anything he says, see how ****** up he is? see!" is pretty uncool. it's happened to me my whole life. it's happening to me right now.

until you have walked a mile in their footsteps.............

[idiit]

What I see here is a woman whose life is very like filled with pain, probably inflicted by the cabal in ways she does not begin to understand. Our society has now given her the freedom to express her pain by dumping on other people. She probably sees the various videos on line and understands she can now do this.

This pattern, in itself, is insanity.

Take away our personal pain, and there is no need to express it. Period. Take this idea and extend it to member of racist groups. For others, eating is a way to kill their pain. Look at people’s weight, and more often than not, you can see visually the amount of pain they are carrying inwardly.

The cabal knows exactly what they are doing! ~J

^ a post from jean at jean's blog. I like the way she conveyed.

[ThePythonicCow]

We should distinguish (1) compassion for the individual from (2) discernment of what are the best available sources of insight, information or support for the matters we are presently focused on.

If I want to hire someone build a wall, I don't hire the paralyzed person out of sympathy, rather I hire the person with a strong back, who is able and willing to move and place the required material.

If in our view someone is presently quite misleading in what they say, we shouldn't excuse it because perhaps there are grains of truth in the words, nor should we forbid disagreement out of sympathy for the trauma they might have gone through. Our work, whether theirs, mine or yours, should be judged on its own merits.

[araucaria]

Posted by idiit (here)
I've been thru extreme trauma. i'm now on social disability as an official medical certified "trauma victim".

the society we live in likes to blame the trauma as the person. it's the viscous circle of victimization that is very difficult to escape.

it's like calling cancer "john". john is not the cancer. john is a spirit inhabiting a human life form for a while.

corey imo is/was a severe trauma victim. he acted out the trauma. we should not blame the trauma on corey.

to notice erratic behavior from a trauma victim and then going "see!, see how you can't trust anything he says, see how ****** up he is? see!" is pretty uncool. it's happened to me my whole life. it's happening to me right now.

until you have walked a mile in their footsteps.............

A given service can only provide help within the limits of its skills set, and that only when it is allowed to operate without disruption. It is highly likely that a forum such as Avalon is ill-equipped to help certain victims of severe trauma in any case, and particularly when, however excusably, they make normal discussion impossible. If someone injures himself owing to some mental issue or psychic state, then the doctor called in to treat only the physical injury is not going to be able to do so without the patient first calming down.

The trust required for normal discussion is independent of believing anything. What you make of it all is an outcome of what you hear, not a condition for engaging the conversation. Many discussions take place here with people who are not convinced that the data being shared has to be interpreted in the manner indicated. The whole point of sharing is to have other explanations for what is happening, and that is how trauma can be relieved. The trauma victim’s own explanation is likely to be itself clouded by the experience, in which case the experience is going to be dramatized rather than understood. This is just as normal as when a child has a frightening experience and is reassured in two ways: first by comforting, secondly by providing a more mundane and satisfactory explanation. Comforting enables the transition from the experiencer in panic mode to the helpers’ calm analytical phase. This process can get stalled when you have the person operating in isolation in panic analytical mode. At this stage, Corey has the problem and thinks he has the solution; I suggest he does not, and until he acknowledges that he needs help and abandons control of his own narrative, nothing further can be done. And conversely, that is not going to happen until others stop looking to him as some sort of leader. If Corey is a victim of severe trauma as you say, then that is a very valid and useful point to make to take this forward. Thank you.

[Tanushka]

Hi, this is my first contribution to PA forum. I've watched most of the Corey videos and read the blogs etc and the problem (one of them) I find is this: for people coming new to the reality of ETs and secret governments, it is hard to see the wood for the trees. What information can be trusted? Who can be relied upon? I think Bill's use of the rating system is very useful as Bill is one person whose judgement I would definitely trust and a source of open and honest info. The first time I came across him when he spoke during an interview with Simon Parkes, I had a clear feeling of this.
But the necessity of presenting a clear narrative for disclosure is being constantly (and probably deliberately) muddied so that the real truth that's 'out there' is much less likely to be accepted as fact by the masses, who prefer the familiar status quo as it's easier. Even when stories are reported in the media, they always have a hint of embarrassment and the need to add 'riders' i.e. past statements by sceptics that enables readers to dismiss the whole story.
It's also easy to say 'believe what your soul says is true' because when this community is new to people, there is so much 'noise' that it takes time to sort through.
Perhaps there should be a panel of esteemed, experienced and solid commentators who could consider all the evidence for any new information and rate it accordingly for likely accuracy. It wouldn't stop us researching and reading ourselves but it would help newcomers cut through the BS so they didn't just get so confused they gave up. Disclosure is made much more difficult without a reliable set of facts that everyone in the field agrees on. Sort of 'this is definitely true,' 'this is likely to be true' etc like the speaker ratings.
I realise this is wishful thinking but as someone relatively new to the area with limited time and energy, Bill's ratings are very handy. I would very much like to see it somewhere easy to find, more complete and often updated.
Thank you.

[Jake]

Posted by idiit (here)
I've been thru extreme trauma. i'm now on social disability as an official medical certified "trauma victim".

the society we live in likes to blame the trauma as the person. it's the viscous circle of victimization that is very difficult to escape.

it's like calling cancer "john". john is not the cancer. john is a spirit inhabiting a human life form for a while.

corey imo is/was a severe trauma victim. he acted out the trauma. we should not blame the trauma on corey.

to notice erratic behavior from a trauma victim and then going "see!, see how you can't trust anything he says, see how ****** up he is? see!" is pretty uncool. it's happened to me my whole life. it's happening to me right now.

until you have walked a mile in their footsteps.............

You have come in quite late to this scenario. Coreys entire story is based in victimization.. I am a victim of trauma too. Many of us are!

I refuse to play that card!! I wouldn't Guilt someone into believing anything I say... Ever!

Corry turned his alleged abuse into a full on 6 month continious attack on Avalon, members friends,, etc...

idiit,, are you willing to walk a mile in Avalons shoes?

So far im hearing folks desperately try and apologies for hem...

please stop it! There is only one person who can do that,, and,,, I will not hold my breath waiting...

Avalon stood in his corner until we had black eyes and bloody noses! Do yourself some good and read up a bit on what Avalon did for him before you accuse us of anything other than being taken advantage of by him! We still protect him! Those of you who characterize discussion regarding corey as a -smear campaign- has simply not been paying attention.

If someone shoots themselves in the foot, does that make them a victim? If someone is a victim,, does that mean they cannot tell lies?

If someone is a victim, do they wait to be saved?


I have suffered,, I refuse to play victim.... I have taken myself out of That game..


Victimization plays into the scenario where ETS will save us... in fact, Corey is Counting on pulling the strings of the truly victimized...

I simply will not play that card.

cheers
jake

[Brizil]

Posted by Paul (here)

If in our view someone is presently quite misleading in what they say, we shouldn't excuse it because perhaps there are grains of truth in the words, nor should we forbid disagreement out of sympathy for the trauma they might have gone through. Our work, whether theirs, mine or yours, should be judged on its own merits.

I like how you explained this Paul. The discussion has to include a proper examination of not just the information but the source of the information. The fact that we have information about the source is a good thing. When we use this information to help members of this forum be better informed that is great. On the other hand, notice when certain words are used in conjunction with the presentation of this information that people start defending and debating. This just adds mud to the water.

[Brizil]

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by idiit (here)
I've been thru extreme trauma. i'm now on social disability as an official medical certified "trauma victim".

the society we live in likes to blame the trauma as the person. it's the viscous circle of victimization that is very difficult to escape.

it's like calling cancer "john". john is not the cancer. john is a spirit inhabiting a human life form for a while.

corey imo is/was a severe trauma victim. he acted out the trauma. we should not blame the trauma on corey.

to notice erratic behavior from a trauma victim and then going "see!, see how you can't trust anything he says, see how ****** up he is? see!" is pretty uncool. it's happened to me my whole life. it's happening to me right now.

until you have walked a mile in their footsteps.............

You have come in quite late to this scenario. Coreys entire story is based in victimization.. I am a victim of trauma too. Many of us are!

I refuse to play that card!! I wouldn't Guilt someone into believing anything I say... Ever!

Corry turned his alleged abuse into a full on 6 month continious attack on Avalon, members friends,, etc...

idiit,, are you willing to walk a mile in Avalons shoes?

So far im hearing folks desperately try and apologies for hem...

please stop it! There is only one person who can do that,, and,,, I will not hold my breath waiting...

Avalon stood in his corner until we had black eyes and bloody noses! Do yourself some good and read up a bit on what Avalon did for him before you accuse us of anything other than being taken advantage of by him! We still protect him! Those of you who characterize discussion regarding corey as a -smear campaign- has simply not been paying attention.

If someone shoots themselves in the foot, does that make them a victim? If someone is a victim,, does that mean they cannot tell lies?

If someone is a victim, do they wait to be saved?


I have suffered,, I refuse to play victim.... I have taken myself out of That game..


Victimization plays into the scenario where ETS will save us... in fact, Corey is Counting on pulling the strings of the truly victimized...

I simply will not play that card.

cheers
jake

Hello Jake! I just hope that we don't start giving ourselves bloody noses and black eyes during this discussion. We have so many talented people here that could really make this discussion very productive on so many levels that I would hate to see any energy wasted on us infighting.

[Brizil]

Posted by Tanushka (here)
Hi, this is my first contribution to PA forum. I've watched most of the Corey videos and read the blogs etc and the problem (one of them) I find is this: for people coming new to the reality of ETs and secret governments, it is hard to see the wood for the trees. What information can be trusted? Who can be relied upon? I think Bill's use of the rating system is very useful as Bill is one person whose judgement I would definitely trust and a source of open and honest info. The first time I came across him when he spoke during an interview with Simon Parkes, I had a clear feeling of this.
But the necessity of presenting a clear narrative for disclosure is being constantly (and probably deliberately) muddied so that the real truth that's 'out there' is much less likely to be accepted as fact by the masses, who prefer the familiar status quo as it's easier. Even when stories are reported in the media, they always have a hint of embarrassment and the need to add 'riders' i.e. past statements by sceptics that enables readers to dismiss the whole story.
It's also easy to say 'believe what your soul says is true' because when this community is new to people, there is so much 'noise' that it takes time to sort through.
Perhaps there should be a panel of esteemed, experienced and solid commentators who could consider all the evidence for any new information and rate it accordingly for likely accuracy. It wouldn't stop us researching and reading ourselves but it would help newcomers cut through the BS so they didn't just get so confused they gave up. Disclosure is made much more difficult without a reliable set of facts that everyone in the field agrees on. Sort of 'this is definitely true,' 'this is likely to be true' etc like the speaker ratings.
I realise this is wishful thinking but as someone relatively new to the area with limited time and energy, Bill's ratings are very handy. I would very much like to see it somewhere easy to find, more complete and often updated.
Thank you.

Hello Tanushka! For me it was a little intimidating to take the leap and post on this forum because of how brilliant and talented people are here. I'm glad you did and like what you said. Maybe if someone could bullet point information about Corey that has been collected by members (with quotes of his remarks etc.) and then bullet point some of his claims we would be able to have a more clear and concise discussion. That will take a lot of work but I think it would be very helpful.

[idiit]

i'm not trying to cause any problems. I gots enough.

can't we just wait a wittle bit? time will tell.

[Limor Wolf]

A precise recipe

[Jake]

Posted by Brizil (here)

Posted by Tanushka (here)
Hi, this is my first contribution to PA forum. I've watched most of the Corey videos and read the blogs etc and the problem (one of them) I find is this: for people coming new to the reality of ETs and secret governments, it is hard to see the wood for the trees. What information can be trusted? Who can be relied upon? I think Bill's use of the rating system is very useful as Bill is one person whose judgement I would definitely trust and a source of open and honest info. The first time I came across him when he spoke during an interview with Simon Parkes, I had a clear feeling of this.
But the necessity of presenting a clear narrative for disclosure is being constantly (and probably deliberately) muddied so that the real truth that's 'out there' is much less likely to be accepted as fact by the masses, who prefer the familiar status quo as it's easier. Even when stories are reported in the media, they always have a hint of embarrassment and the need to add 'riders' i.e. past statements by sceptics that enables readers to dismiss the whole story.
It's also easy to say 'believe what your soul says is true' because when this community is new to people, there is so much 'noise' that it takes time to sort through.
Perhaps there should be a panel of esteemed, experienced and solid commentators who could consider all the evidence for any new information and rate it accordingly for likely accuracy. It wouldn't stop us researching and reading ourselves but it would help newcomers cut through the BS so they didn't just get so confused they gave up. Disclosure is made much more difficult without a reliable set of facts that everyone in the field agrees on. Sort of 'this is definitely true,' 'this is likely to be true' etc like the speaker ratings.
I realise this is wishful thinking but as someone relatively new to the area with limited time and energy, Bill's ratings are very handy. I would very much like to see it somewhere easy to find, more complete and often updated.
Thank you.

Hello Tanushka! For me it was a little intimidating to take the leap and post on this forum because of how brilliant and talented people are here. I'm glad you did and like what you said. Maybe if someone could bullet point information about Corey that has been collected by members (with quotes of his remarks etc.) and then bullet point some of his claims we would be able to have a more clear and concise discussion. That will take a lot of work but I think it would be very helpful.

Not a bad idea! Though, as soon as we do, it will be considered an attack.. I leave the onus upon the individual to do their own homework!

I stopped logging his contradictory statements and taking screenshots, etc,, long ago.. It became exhausting, so I stopped...

Corey wanted to inflict as much damage to Avalon as possible.. And convinced many folks that even defending ouselves was an attack...

I will defend myself against being eaten,, regardless of a couple of worthless vultures,, lol,,, I do NOT fear the vultures! Love to you, limor!

Be well.
Jake

[onawah]

This may be a bit off topic, but I want to interject here that some (though perhaps not many) members have actually had quite a bit of difficulty with Simon Parkes' information about the Draco and Mantids (who we knew next to nothing about save that their greatest alliance seemed to be with the Draco) and I would add, the Annunaki, and some of that is coming to light now in the thread Blog of the Ruiner at: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lluminati-Mind
But because of Simon's demand for politeness and because of his dyslexia, which put a definite limit on the amount and complexity of what could be asked and answered, the discourse transpired quite differently than it did with Corey.
One of the results being that I, for one, could never quite understand, from Simon's perspective, how the Draco and Annunaki agendas differed, and what role each had played as separate players in Earth's history. Or why he thought some of the Mantids, whom he admitted himself were very patriarchal, would be such great friends to us.
Now, on the Ruiner thread, we are getting a new and different perspective on some of that, on AI and other subjects, and it's proving to be quite illuminating to me and to others on that thread.

And on the whole, I think that, with each step along the way, the process is bringing us closer to the truth and more able to discern fact from fiction and/or delusion, even with cases such as Corey's.
Getting too personally enmeshed in that process can be a step backwards, but if we are willing to go into the process with a mind open enough to consider that what we are being told might be true (and we have to do that, or why else would we bother?), it's easy to get too caught up in the drama and forget what the objective is--to discover the truth.
It's understandable that we get upset when we discover we've been misled or deceived, especially considering the time and effort that goes into this whole process.
But even that can be instructive when we ask ourselves, why all this distraction, then?
What is it that we are being purposefully distracted from?
The Ruiner suggests that it is our connection with the planet, with Nature, with our true selves...and I certainly have to agree with that.
Balance is important; if we lose that in our daily lives, it's very difficult to keep any kind of sane, grounded perspective about anything.

Posted by Selene (here)

And that – to me – is what is important here: that SSP data, not the messenger. Few members here seem to have any difficulty with the Draco and Mantids of Simon Parkes’ world, for instance. His comments are treated with considerable respect. Why can we not listen to Corey? That he evokes such strong emotions here is in itself a good indicator that there may be something much deeper occurring in this saga, that we are indeed being challenged at the level of our core beliefs.



Selene

[Jake]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)
A precise recipe

Point taken, Limor. Thank you..

(Are those vultures BLUE? Lol) sorry, couldn't resist... I am going to cool off from this discussion.. love to all..

Jake

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Jake:I will defend myself against being eaten,, regardless of a couple of worthless vultures,, lol,,, I do NOT fear the vultures!

Love to you, dear Jake! You can feed the vultures or you can leave them starve.. food for thought

Originally posted by Jake: " Coreys entire story is based in victimization.. I am a victim of trauma too. Many of us are!

I refuse to play that card!!"

If I can push the envelop a little bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUEaMTKyLa4

Be well!

Limor

[Savannah]

Eve Lorgen in my mind, using Bills’s rating system is an A1. She has post re: Corey and the Ruiner
http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/the-rui...ue-avians-con/

She noted:
“Due to the fact that my last post I mentioned the ongoing Milab whistleblower testimony of “Corey” in the Secret Space Program, and his connection to the supposedly benevolent “Blue Avians” and the Sphere Alliance, I had to at least mention the inside scoop on this Exo-politics charade.”

I continue to listen to the mainstream news not because it tells the truth but because it reveals what they want me to know. It is revealing to analyze what they want me to know and lot easier than it used to be. They (NOW Cabal etc) manipulate my feelings in order to manipulate me. We all know this. There’s continuous coverage of movie , church and school shootings, why, they want to take our guns, why they want us defenseless. I don’t react emotionally any more, I understand their game. I listen to some “insiders, whistleblowers, contactees etc. why, because I ask myself what’s the motivation for wanting me to think this or that. As many have already noted their motivation may be to add to the disinformation and thus keep us chasing our tails or it may be they are rolling out another Agenda campaign or it may be pure ego enhancement for the individual or it may be the person is controlled by various entities in this matrix (military, ET’s, ED etc.) and thus they reveal that agenda. In Corey’s case I think as many have noted it’s the manipulated/ego combination. I try not to get caught up in the manipulation of my emotions to keep me from looking too close at his motives by accusing of us of bashing him or being unsupportive. I know my true myself, I have worked for 30 years a psychologist and have emotionally supported trauma victims my whole life, I specialize in Dissociative Identity Disorder, so that tactic won’t work on me. If Cory is manipulated, I have great deal of empathy for him but that doesn’t stop me from wanting to protect myself from people who manipulate me by providing disinformation. I continue to state what I said in my last post here, we need to discern this information being presented and part of that is looking at the source. However I think that is only part of it.

We need to look at why they want us to believe this information. If we get too caught up in the details we may lose the forest while arguing about the trees. It has been mentioned that there is a lot of information lately has come out that we are going to have a disclosure and a wave of energy. This seems important and my antenna is focused lately on trying to figure out not only the players but why do they want me to know/think this. Is this a natural phenomenon or Cern produced AI psy op. The Corey situation seems to be a part of this whole thing and that’s why I’m watching two sources I think have a lot in common, GIAM Disclosure series and mainstream news.

[onawah]

Thanks Savannah, and here is Eve's views on the Ruiner:

The Ruiner Blog: Inside Scoop on Secret Space Programs and the Blue Avians Con
Posted on June 9, 2015
Disclaimer: It is difficult to really know the ultimate truth about these topics and the information put out by Corey Good and also the Ruiner Blog. I want to make it clear I hold no animosity towards either, and only wish all concerned ultimate truth, healing, recovery and harmony in their journey towards discovering “truth” whatever that may be.

It would be remiss if I did not include a link to the relatively new Ruiner Blog by an anonymous ex Illuminati Family member who is spilling the beans on many of their programs, agendas, structure, origin and who runs them.(Draco) Quite a revealing blog, simple and to the point. No, I don’t know who this person is.

Due to the fact that my last post I mentioned the ongoing Milab whistleblower testimony of “Corey” in the Secret Space Program, and his connection to the supposedly benevolent “Blue Avians” and the Sphere Alliance, I had to at least mention the inside scoop on this Exo-politics charade. It does seem that most of the supersoldier whistleblowers are still acting out some kind of program, which may in and of itself be a type of “booby trap program” once a milab starts to recover memories and want to be free and “tell their story”. But what happens, is that many fall into another kind of trap, which I have seen over the years with abductees and contactees also. Instead of continuing on into true healing and recovery, they seem to get stuck in the easily manipulated “ego” savior mode, which is taken advantage of by the ones who run them. And of course the Alternative Media laps it up, always hoping for the next ET Savior or White Hat to tell them “the truth”. It is unfortunate, as I do know that there are real programs going on in the military, secret space programs and occult weapons groups. No doubt there are real black operations going in all kinds of secret programs which may include various ET’s and unbelievable technology. But most are controlled information leaks, and you always have to ask yourself who is running the show, what the hierarchy really is, and to what beings they serve.

I chose a few links of blog subjects that the Ruiner wrote that are noteworthy, but I encourage the reader to browse through all the posts, especially the one about the Progenitors.

The Ruiner Introduction: http://www.theruiner777.blogspot.ca/...important.html

The Illuminati Structure:

http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/201...loodlines.html

On Cults and Programs: http://www.theruiner777.blogspot.ca/...ams-oh-my.html

The Blue Avians--a mind control program stunt by Illuminati:

http://www.theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015/03/avians.html

http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/the-rui...ue-avians-con/

[Jake]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)

Originally posted by Jake:I will defend myself against being eaten,, regardless of a couple of worthless vultures,, lol,,, I do NOT fear the vultures!

Love to you, dear Jake! You can feed the vultures or you can leave them starve.. food for thought

Originally posted by Jake: " Coreys entire story is based in victimization.. I am a victim of trauma too. Many of us are!

I refuse to play that card!!"

If I can push the envelop a little bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUEaMTKyLa4

Be well!

Limor

I love Teal! I just finished viewing the vid.. The opposite extreme is to refuse to see yourself as a victim,, feeding the ego, as well! Thank you, I'm not in disagreement! I was talking more about the refusal to -play that card-.

My being a victim of whatever trauma is my own! I certainly will not behave in a manner that leads with -poor me-.. I, am quite invisible... My behavior is all that I can do to communicate with you,, victim or not..

Also, I absolutely refuse to go down a path where the word MILAB becomes a bad word. In my opinion, a profound dis service is done when someone uses MILAB victim hood to promote themselves,, especially when they -"have no memory of that stuff"-

Standing in your power, and being sovereign and refusing to PLAY victim,, is not quite what Teal was referring to..

Jake

[turiya]

Cross-Posted from another thread...

Barbara Lamb: Some Regressed Clients Taken to "Galactic Council Meetings"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0f_-_b2EtXI

Chris Thomas has also pointed out that the "Tall Whites" are closely affiliated with the U.S. military, particularly within the deep underground military bases (DUMBs).

___________________Late Add___________________

Viewing the above video, and one could then understand better what is behind the information Corey is talking about in the following video. Although, Corey is not aware of the Velon, nor is he aware of Chris Thomas' research regarding the same.

Cosmic Disclosure Episode 1

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ukpPtzvracg

Posted by onawah (here)
This may be a bit off topic, but I want to interject here that some (though perhaps not many) members have actually had quite a bit of difficulty with Simon Parkes' information about the Draco and Mantids (who we knew next to nothing about save that their greatest alliance seemed to be with the Draco) and I would add, the Annunaki, and some of that is coming to light now in the thread Blog of the Ruiner at: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lluminati-Mind
But because of Simon's demand for politeness and because of his dyslexia, which put a definite limit on the amount and complexity of what could be asked and answered, the discourse transpired quite differently than it did with Corey.
One of the results being that I, for one, could never quite understand, from Simon's perspective, how the Draco and Annunaki agendas differed, and what role each had played as separate players in Earth's history. Or why he thought some of the Mantids, whom he admitted himself were very patriarchal, would be such great friends to us.
Now, on the Ruiner thread, we are getting a new and different perspective on some of that, on AI and other subjects, and it's proving to be quite illuminating to me and to others on that thread.

And on the whole, I think that, with each step along the way, the process is bringing us closer to the truth and more able to discern fact from fiction and/or delusion, even with cases such as Corey's.
Getting too personally enmeshed in that process can be a step backwards, but if we are willing to go into the process with a mind open enough to consider that what we are being told might be true (and we have to do that, or why else would we bother?), it's easy to get too caught up in the drama and forget what the objective is--to discover the truth.
It's understandable that we get upset when we discover we've been misled or deceived, especially considering the time and effort that goes into this whole process.
But even that can be instructive when we ask ourselves, why all this distraction, then?
What is it that we are being purposefully distracted from?
The Ruiner suggests that it is our connection with the planet, with Nature, with our true selves...and I certainly have to agree with that.
Balance is important; if we lose that in our daily lives, it's very difficult to keep any kind of sane, grounded perspective about anything.

Posted by Selene (here)

And that – to me – is what is important here: that SSP data, not the messenger. Few members here seem to have any difficulty with the Draco and Mantids of Simon Parkes’ world, for instance. His comments are treated with considerable respect. Why can we not listen to Corey? That he evokes such strong emotions here is in itself a good indicator that there may be something much deeper occurring in this saga, that we are indeed being challenged at the level of our core beliefs.



Selene