The Corey Goode affair: various updates from David Wilcock

[Elainie]

Posted by Shane (here)

This guy was a buddy of mine, as an insider, and said too much. He got in massive trouble with his handlers.

Oh another lie. If I got in "trouble" why would I have written all the same information and more into my blog? Doesn't even make logical sense. I do not have handlers. Earlier it was that my life was threatened. Please people, just be honest. It's not as hard as we've been conditioned to believe.

With love and respect,

My feeling is David Wilcock is a legend in his own mind. Murders threats and all/cabal watching him. Nonsense.

[Sierra]

Now this is interesting.

qbeac, moderators can see where members have been, what threads they have read. Interestingly enough, you did zero research on the Corey scandal. Zero. Without even going through the forum menus, you landed on this thread, which is impossible unless someone gave you the link.

Someone handed you the link, and you came directly here, and in complete ignorance of the research, the history, the testimony of multiple direct Avalon member witnesses that Corey is a massive liar of the worst sort (including asking others to post pedophilia lies, so he would not be the one sued for slander), you posted what you did.

So, why no research before you said what you did?

Who gave you the link?

Who told you what to say?

Why do you continually accuse Bill Ryan, and Avalon of malfeasance as you did with the Charles threads?

What is your agenda?

And no, do your own research as most of us do. I suggest you start with this thread.

[Octavusprime]

It's easy to see past the veils of deceit if only one pays attention. Corey is pretty busy with his numerous accounts here and elsewhere, I wonder where he finds the time? The whole thing is a continued distraction IMHO. Let's all just move on to more important matters, heh?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Sierra (here)
And no, do your own research as most of us do. I suggest you start with this thread.

That would be a good idea .

If my reading of the log files is correct, qbeac has never even downloaded pages 2 through 16 of this thread from this forum. He went directly to what was the end of the thread on July 31, and posted, shortly after returning here, not having been on the Avalon forum for a while.

[RunningDeer]

[Aspen]

http://www.starshipearththebigpictur...here-alliance/ good article here with a perceptive summation: "Remember when Wilcock told us that the “bad guys” were given an ultimatum by the Star Nations; to disclose the ET presence NOW or else the “good guys” were going to do it?

He said that whoever did the disclosing would get to choose how it was done, and the “bad guys” wanted to do it because they would then get to put their own spin on it and decide just how much (or how little) to tell us.

Well? I believe this is it. This whole Corey Goode/Michael Salla/David Wilcock theatrical production is their ‘dislosure project’, with their own spin. Amnesty!

The last Michael Salla article I read spelled it right out.

This “disclosure project” is a highly organized attempt to bring some truth—but as always, mixed in with things that just don’t resonate. It’s conspiratorial. And Bradely Loves may be correct when he smells the military all over it. Are we going to trust the negative military, or CIA to disclose the truth? Really?"

[Harley]

with their own spin

The only way you're going to get true disclosure is for the subjects to do it themselves.

And even at that I would be very cautious!

[qbeac]

Posted by Sierra (here)
Now this is interesting.

qbeac, moderators can see where members have been, what threads they have read. Interestingly enough, you did zero research on the Corey scandal. Zero. Without even going through the forum menus, you landed on this thread, which is impossible unless someone gave you the link.

Someone handed you the link, and you came directly here, and in complete ignorance of the research, the history, the testimony of multiple direct Avalon member witnesses that Corey is a massive liar of the worst sort (including asking others to post pedophilia lies, so he would not be the one sued for slander), you posted what you did.

So, why no research before you said what you did?

Who gave you the link?

Who told you what to say?

Why do you continually accuse Bill Ryan, and Avalon of malfeasance as you did with the Charles threads?

What is your agenda?

And no, do your own research as most of us do. I suggest you start with this thread.

Hi Sierra, my answer to your post is basically the same one I just gave to araucaria and RunningDeer in the previous page of this thread, here:

Reply to araucaria and RunningDeer. Link to Post #408, pag. 21.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post985196

But let me be more specific about the things you ask me:

Q #1 (by Sierra): So, why no research before you said what you did?

I’ve been following the Corey story for a few months.

Then I’ve recently seen negative comments about Corey in this forum, and in order to try to discern the “Corey controversy” (what is true or false, correct or incorrect, etc.), that’s why I came here: to ask the persons who were making those comments why they were making them.

Q #2 (by Sierra): Who gave you the link?

I saw it recently somewhere, but I am not sure exactly where. I “think” it was in kauilapele’s blog (which a follow), or perhaps in the text of the YouTube video kauilapele mentions in his blog (an interview somebody from this forum did to Corey a few months ago… was it Christine…?)

This is an example of kauilapele talking about Corey and the Avalon forom:

Posted on 2015/03/21 by kauilapele
https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/201...b-participant/

Kauilapele says: [Update: Here is a post on a Project Avalon forum thread with a bit more information about this video (posted by GoodETzSG).]

Q #3 (by Sierra): Who told you what to say?

The Blue Avians AI Industrial Complex and the Secret Space Club of their Cosmic Intelligence Agency… that’s like the CIA but on a galactic level (JUST KIDDING, ok? ... it’s only a joke…)

I did (this is not a joke).

Q #4 (by Sierra): Why do you continually accuse Bill Ryan, and Avalon of malfeasance as you did with the Charles threads?

In my opinion, your statement is not correct because I haven’t done what you say.

What I have done is asking questions (good ones, I think), and I’d like to see good answers.

For instance, Bill Ryan has made strong accusations against Corey (Ex: “…You're part of a psy-op…” Post #334, pag. 17 of this thread). And judging by Bill’s words, which are emphatic (an affirmation), Bill seems to be very sure of what he says about Corey. That’s why I’ve asked Bill if he could please show me/us the solid proof to back his statement up.

Then Bill has given several answers (see 3 or 4 previous pages of this thread), and I have looked at the links he has suggested (See Bill suggested links at Post #361, pag. 19 of this thread), but, in my personal opinion, those links and Bill’s answers have not pinpointed and provided a specific and clear solid proof (conclusive, undeniable, etc.) to properly back up the negative comments against Corey.

On the contrary, so far in this forum I’ve seen numerous speculations about Corey being a fraud (or gut feelings, impressions, personal opinions, intuitions, rumors, generalizations, etc.) but not specific, solid, clear, and conclusive proof.

But that’s just me, and maybe I am wrong. In any case, if somebody could clarify this situation and provide solid proof about Corey not being legit, I’d really appreciate it.

Let me give you an example of what I mean in the previous paragraphs:

Bill has shown a screenshot where Corey allegedly says Corey “is on the payroll”. But can that screenshot be considered conclusive proof that Corey is not legit? I don’t think so because even Shane says the following about that screenshot:

Shane (Post #411, pag. 21 of this thread): That screenshot came from my skype. The conversation was between him and I. I do not believe what he [Corey] claims or that he is on any payroll…. Etc.

Therefore, it seems to me that that specific screenshot cannot be considered solid proof (conclusive) about some of the strong accusations against Corey.

Q #5 (by Sierra): What is your agenda?

Same answer as in question 3... well, now seriously, my agenda is searching for the truth because the truth shall set us free.

In fact, that’s what I always supported and loved about Project Camelot.

Q #6 (by Sierra): And no, do your own research as most of us do. I suggest you start with this thread.

That’s what I am doing: I am researching this matter, and I thought a good place to do it (among other ones) was here, because in this forum there seems to be a lot of people who have already done a lot of research about it.

And, what better persons to ask about something than the persons who have already done the research about it? That’s why I am asking questions to whoever may know the answers.

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Posted by Shane (here)
Qbeac,

That screenshot came from my skype. The conversation was between him and I. I do not believe what he claims or that he is on any payroll. He is referring to some sort of "insider" type payroll. I have many reasons to believe what I do about him I don't bother to detail as many reasons cannot be publicly verified. I have conviction, but for you, that is only my opinion.

With love and respect,

Hi Shane, thank you for the clarification.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear qbeac:

Your posts display a certain amount of immaturity (in my opinion) in this arena. You talk of 'proof' in a realm where proof is hard to come by — and it's meant to be that way.

For an important reference about plausible deniability, please read this:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post616855

I was told long ago (Feb 2006) in a day-long meeting with Hal Puthoff, who I now count as a friend, never to try to prove anything. It was one of the most interesting and enlightening conversations I've had, and Hal's care and insight might be one of the reasons I'm alive today.

Not proving anything -- not producing real documents, real photos, or a real alien -- allows plausible deniability. This is what the controllers care about.

There are some issues (the real existence of UFOs and ET visitation) which the controllers want to be released... but on a very slow drip-feed. Undeniable proof causes shocks to individuals and to the "system". Undeniable proof forces the controllers' hands, and this is not what they want.

The best strategy is to offer evidence (not proof) as a paradigm-changing tool. What follows after that is a game of chess. See the current interesting and important discussion on the Dulce Project 2013 thread in which a new Avalon member, Paul (TheDulceProject) is seeking funding and support for a high-profile team to go in to retrieve the box of Dulce documents, photos and videos buried somewhere in Arizona (location known) by ex-security guard Thomas Castello and Cherry Hinkle (Avalon member Mystery).

I and some others are advising great caution. To possess such unequivocal hard information in one's hands is a self-administered death warrant (or imprisonment warrant, at best).... unless one is skilled, smart and very lucky. Ask Julian Assange.

So: it's rare that one gets a chance to 'prove' a psy-op — or just about any other claim: and many such claims are made in the alternative media. But, having said that, many of those claims will be totally true.

The 'jury' may bring a guilty charge, on the preponderance of evidence, beyond reasonable doubt. That's how the legal system works; and sometimes, that system works well.

In short: one deduces a psy-op. One [normally] doesn't prove it.

That deduction requires the capacity for deductive reasoning. You all too often use the word 'proof'. This does NOT apply here in all cases in the sense you are using it.

One gets the sense, reading your posts, that nothing would ever satisfy you. Can I PROVE the Earth isn't flat? Not easily (and maybe not at all, in the strict sense of the word: that enters into a non-trivial philosophical discussion about the concept of 'proof' in science — as opposed to, say, math, where at least, most of the time, rigorous proofs can be presented).

But, re the Flat Earth question, the preponderance of evidence suggests with an EXTREMELY high degree of confidence that it is round. Even so, some apparently intelligent people refuse to accept that preponderance of evidence. That's why we are still debating so many things on the forum, and everywhere else in human culture. It's part of the human condition.

Some dot-connecting and deduction will always be required. This cannot be spoon-fed to you, or anyone else, in any pre-digested form. You need to do at least some of the groundwork (and THINKING) for yourself.

Please do that. At least you could make a start by stopping talking about proof, and referring to EVIDENCE instead. Then, you might start to get somewhere.

[Bill Ryan]

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A little more: I was kind of channeling Wittgenstein in my post above. My point is that in our discussions here on the forum, we're all dancing with the shimmering and often impermanent nature of logic, reason and inference. Things that are rigorously 'proven', such that they are never again debated, are only TINY components of the aggregate of human knowledge.

I can't even prove that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. But I sure expect it to.

[onawah]

This is a bit off topic, but the discussion about psyops brings it to mind for me, at least.
The question I plan to pose for Simon which I have posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post985729
is about something that has really been puzzling me for awhile, and I think that anyone who has followed Simon's info closely will have noticed the discrepancy as well, and if anyone is reading the Ruiner's blog, may wonder if there is an explanation there.
And I would like to ask Bill if the false info that Corey was spreading about Simon has altered his opinion of Simon's credibility at all? There were some rumors going around that Simon was using black magic to "heal" some of his clients who were asking him for help/healing. Were those rumors traced back to Corey?
Thanks!

[qbeac]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Dear qbeac:

Your posts display a certain amount of immaturity (in my opinion) in this arena. You talk of 'proof' in a realm where proof is hard to come by — and it's meant to be that way…. Etc.

Hi Bill, thanks for your post. I do understand what you say and I agree with your argument in relation to the important differences among proof, high degree of confidence, reasonable doubt, etc.

Therefore, I admit my question, phrased the way I phrased it, was too simplistic, too narrow. My mistake. Sorry.

Now let me please rephrase my question in the following manner:

Please, could you (or anybody in this forum) show me/us the best evidence that you may have or know of (and can make public) which backs up your opinion about Corey and the strong and direct accusations you’ve made against him?

We need to consider that the way you made the following statement (which was very emphatically, very affirmative), seems to indicate that you are very, very sure of what you say: no room for doubts, no speculations, no margin for error at all. And such strong statements normally come from very good and solid pieces of evidence:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Bill Ryan says: Corey, you dishonor true, honest, humble heroes like my friend Jon. You're part of a psy-op. You're a self-obsessed, narcissistic sociopath. And you're being used. The only two people who can't see this are yourself, David Wilcock, and the entourage who are milking this financially for all they can…. Etc.

In other words:

Why were you so emphatic and so seemingly sure about the previous statement?

What important piece of this puzzle (Corey’s puzzle) do you know that others don’t (Ex: David Wilcock, Michael Salla, etc.)

And seriously, for the benefit of all the alternative community (and all the people who seek truth), it would be great to see you talking face to face to David Wilcock, Michael Salla, Alfred Webre, etc., (Skype interview or panel discussion) to try to solve this interesting puzzle: is Corey legit or not, and why?

P.S. By the way, I’ve already looked at the data you have shown me/us so far (Ex: the screenshot about the payroll, your suggested links, etc.), but I find it as I explained in my previous post: not conclusive, not solid enough (at least in my opinion).

[Rha S ananda]

David Wilcock Comments on Benjamin Fulford Update - August 3rd 2015: Divine Cosmos Still Down, David's Take On The "Corey Is A Shill" Reactions http://sitsshow.blogspot.sg/2015/08/...-benjamin.html

me EG commenting https://www.facebook.com/BlueAvians/...84040155227109 as its connected

ill touch on a few subjects also... tomorrow.
incl the hitpiece that Lily wrote dec(2014) i guess that i ran across in april. hitpiece/slander #KS

as for proof. the saying is, proof is in the eye of the beholder....
differentiation is key, likewise experience

[giovonni]

Sums it up very well indeed ...

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Not proving anything -- not producing real documents, real photos, or a real alien -- allows plausible deniability. This is what the controllers care about.

There are some issues (the real existence of UFOs and ET visitation) which the controllers want to be released... but on a very slow drip-feed. Undeniable proof causes shocks to individuals and to the "system". Undeniable proof forces the controllers' hands, and this is not what they want.

[Delight]

Posted by Harley (here)

with their own spin

The only way you're going to get true disclosure is for the subjects to do it themselves.

And even at that I would be very cautious!

I am not quite sure you mean what I think you mean. I am going with my interpretation (hehe).

My interpretation is that each person is a subject and has disclosures. These disclosures seem to be concerning deep reality. This is a mental realm of something that transcends all words (but gets interpreted). I think it should be called channeling...becoming a pathway for a stream of consciousness. IMO all this is about CONSCIOUSNESS and communication in A STATE of awareness.

I see the deepest disclosure in people who never claimed anything but just used the information. People like George Washington Carver and Victor Schauberger for example brought forth revelations and material that was practcally expressed in new science.

Disclosure has been made about the truth of UFOs and aliens. I am calling it more abstractly as the opening up and out or in and down of the "normal" mundane moment to reveal a "paranormal" moment of information. This can be an out right perceptual vision or maybe a message, maybe a strange synchronous event that disturbs and reveals? One has been able to be a hollow bone...new energy and information flowing from the mystery penetrates what we consider the tangible physical realm...

Moments are the key feature. It may be that shaman and other people functioning for the community as a scientist, healer or sage can reliably approach the interface to the liminal but even then, it seems that it was only when "needed" or practical. In a way it is like when 90 pound women can lift a car. Also about how to plant sweet potatoes....

If one tries to make one's reputation from one's "special" experiences or career of the experiences, one will be most like forced into lying to keep up appearance. Trying to force the events seems a way to invite the "trickster" archetype which is to be avoided. It is self deception IMO that leads one astray.

I have observed several experiencers of the anomalous become fixated on "the truth" as they had "received it" subjectively having a Universal meaning. They became quite dogmatic and in every case I know, they as they became more obsessed in making a generalization they lost their balance.

Also, I have seen genuine "experiencers" try to repeat with props like drugs in greater and heavier amounts.

I have seen genuine psychic moments lead to faux claims that were cons. I notice it can start out real and true and devolve over time. I have seen genuine and fresh information become repetitive and hollow over time as the "channeler" made it a career.

The relaxed nonattachment and sincere and open mind without any expectation is possibly the best way to have "strange" happenings. They are MOSTLY personal, not global (except as I said before when one has this capacity as a REAL shaman??). They are couched in familiar images of thought and may be a message for us to know? I have seen some really remarkable people led moment by moment by their "angel" The word angel is just a place holder for guide.

The minute the person becomes self interested to "use" this info for some ulterior ego based power, the authenticity seems to be replaced by the trickster in my observation. This is delusional and can become grandiose and is harmful but maybe a helpful fails safe to limit the problems.

If anyone who is a student of scriptures and science fiction can see, the Coreys and the DW's use readily available written works to draw their stories.

My conclusion is that a channeling's "way" is natural and is not an imposed condition. IMO, we are in given responsibility to learn how these avenues of information about anything we need to know works.

We are each in the potential to have PSI and "akashic"communication with the self-limiting features. I know for sure we do not have access when we are afraid it will hurt us.

We cannot go deep if we are abusing it (becoming ever MORE lost in delusion is different than abusing knowledge). IMO, we are distracted by our own mis-information accumulated and the mis-information is reaching ginormous proportions in media extravagance regurgitation.

I do not think it makes sense that the inability to pin down facts is anything but evidence that this realm is not factual but metaphoric and symbolic in the best way....a mental realm. People who still are based in the world view that what is "out there" in physical is the real cannot handle as much multiversity. That seems like a fail safe almost way of limiting self harm.

PKD and RAW are acronyms for experiencers who were able to question their own experience.

Wilson comes to no final conclusions about his experiences. He suspects that the Holy Guardian Angel and the extraterrestrials from Sirius probably do not exist outside of our imaginations. But even if they are not literally real, RAW thinks that a belief in them was a tool to open up access to a previously untapped area of his brain.

On the other hand, remembering Arthur C. Clarke’s idea that any sufficiently advanced technology may be indistinguishable from magic, RAW wondered “what if Temple’s book was true?” What if PSI powers like ESP and telepathy are true?

Stars can last 9 billion years. We are only half way through the life cycle of our star. That means there could be civilizations from Sirius or elsewhere that are one billion years more advanced than us. RAW asks what would be the technological capabilities and PSI powers of a civilization 100 million years, 500 million years, two billion years more advanced than we are now? RAW wonders if they will use psychic powers and/or technologically advanced communication methods to aid our evolution. Which sounds a lot like VALIS.

In his book “The Illuminati Papers”, Wilson quotes Dr. Ronald Bracewell from Stanford and Dr. Frank Drake of Cornell as saying that advanced aliens may have immortality and may be “trying to communicate with us right now.” Dr. Brian O’Leary, a Berkeley PHD and former NASA employee, states that aliens, be they extraterrestrial or inter-dimensional, may be on Earth now and have “technologies of consciousness.” Did an advanced race use “technologies of consciousness” to contact PKD and RAW?

Wilson in “Cosmic Trigger” also noted that the genius Tesla reported getting whole detailed descriptions and blue prints for inventions into his mind from an unknown source and sometimes had conversations with unseen entities. He reported that Dr. Jacques Valle told him that over 100 scientists had similar experiences of transmission of ideas but most are afraid to go public for fear of ridicule. Dr. Jack Sarfatti is one of the few who have gone public.

The discoverer of DNA, Nobel Prize winner Dr. Francis Crick, was a regular user of marijuana and may have first perceived the double helix shape of DNA while on LSD. Dr. Kary Mullis says taking LSD was one of the most important things he ever did and that he would not have won the Nobel prize for perfecting the PCR DNA method if he had not done it. He also had a strange UFO or Mothman Prophecies type encounter with an entity. Steve Jobs said taking LSD was one of the most important things he had done and convinced him that the goal of life was not just to make money but to invent and design things that would go into the stream of history and affect consciousness. Both the DNA and computer internet revolutions owe something to the (VALIS directed?) discovery of LSD Dr. Hofmann which we will examine. Is DMT or LSD a pathway to communication with higher intelligence? Or is it a pathway to open up previously untapped parts of our brain? Maybe. But this is a reason for LSD and other drugs to be legal, so they can be correctly manufactured and taken in safe doses at facilities with medical and psychological professionals. Both RAW and PKD strongly warned people not to take street drugs, they each saw the bad consequences that can result.Pulling the Cosmic Trigger: The Contact Experiences of Philip K Dick & Robert Anton Wilson

[Delight]

Starting in 1971, Phil was no longer just writing about government conspiracies, alternative realities, and struggles against an empire. He started living it. His home was broken in to. Things were damaged, papers were taken, but little of value was stolen. It did not seem like a traditional burglary. Strangely, part of Phil was actually relieved. He thought, “See! I’m not some crazy paranoid. They really are after me.” But he was also horrified and scared of what they would do next. It also validated him however. He must be getting through and having an impact if he was enough of a threat to have this done to him.

One more aspect that I think we should not discount. The impact that is really occurring is that WE have created a nightmare. This nightmare is of being chased by demonic forces.

IF this realm of the physical is created by our mental focus and certain belief, to become focused on one's particular belief in greater and greater intensity may well be self fulfilling. In the "nocebo", if one expects no effect, even from an active "drug" one will have "no effect". In a "placebo", if one expects an effect, one will have that from sugar pills.

Voodoo works because of belief. Perhaps we should all really look at the effect of "paranoid" ideation in a conspiracy community. It may well be probable to credit the results of belief in conspiracy (not newly created but greatly increasing) as a source of our collective experiencing symptoms of the beliefs???

From my own upbringing and in work as a psychiatric nurse, I have been fascinated by the way that when a person expects negative experiences, they happen. This goes to people expecting positive outcomes too but obviously is more a problem if negative effects are expected. Expecting to be extremely fortunate, healthy and lucky? Well, the experiencing of that hardly ever becomes an issue (hehe).

I feel almost like an expert concerning when I have negative expectations and positive ones creating very different days. This is not woowoo at all but seems like it, because it is conforming not to my conscious but unconsious creation. A lack of awareness of the contents of my own deep structure of expectation will not change its workings IMO. To bring it to awareness is important. How many times have we heard about being creative as humans? This is the IMO garden variety place to look and act to relieve our own issues.

The sensationalism attached to issues like "targeting" is IMO because we are possibly EXTREME in belief about powerlessness and victimization. It is programmed in to almost every drama we watch where a killer is at large.

When it happens that we feel physically ill, maybe even die because we accepted the "realism" of this possibility in our life, it seems to validate a "FACT' but what fact is it validating? IMO this is like voodoo cursing in that the victim has a deeply structured belief in the power of the curse. The credence to outside agency for our creating becomes experienced in our perceptions. This is also perhaps magnified by PSI empathy to others' thoughts. But the actor is US as we are willing to believe.

I also feel like almost an expert on living around people expecting the worst. I grew up with someone who claimed every day she was targeted. She was always ill and soon to be a cripple. After years of being a victim and suffering this state, she ended up in a wheelchair in a nursing home and died early when she might have lived.

I saw some paranoid ideation play out wildly as a nurse. One diagnosis that made the nurses cringe was Borderline Personality disorder. In this symptom cluster people have issues of relationship (extremes of idealization and devaluing) and not well defined inner self identity. People with this diagnosis who ended up in the hospital where I worked projected "good" people and "bad" people onto staff members.

They did it by splitting people up and low and behold, they did receive strangely familiar coldness and inattention or even abuse from the "mean" staff while championed by the "good" staff. This created havoc in the community because people on staff were turned against one another! This phenomenon was so well predicted that we had "treatment guidelines" about the splitting potential.

I think the DSM III is a bunch of symptom clusters trying to be diagnosis. The real issue is that we are mental/psychological/spiritual beings who create according to deep expectation and have issues. Modern society has reached its end game where it cannot keep proliferating the wayward psychic contents.

IMO the breaking up is like the split on a psychiatric staff, with everyone forming sides. IMO we have the possibility of wholeness where we own who has been making it look as it looks. To become more responsible for our parts of a whole disintegrating is the power. We are the ones who must integrate our own aspects and take charge of the creativity involved.

The clarity that we can see by what is happening could lead people to take on PRONOIA and insist that all is well FOR us. This would be a masterful move against the machine IMO. That machine is our own creation and could be dismantled in a happy way I am certain.

The collective is mad, long live the individual.

[giovonni]

Great posts Maggie ...

Having myself some extensive experience working on a locked/psychiatric hospital unit,
i came to the unsettling/observation that both the patients and staff - Often displayed
evidence of that all too convenient diagnosis of the borderline personality type disorder ...

Whether good or bad were probably the best show in the galaxy right now ...

[gripreaper]

Here's what I find hard to believe...That this thread is still going, has spawned other threads on "What to believe" and this thread has 22 pages and over 400 posts!

And this is the only post in this thread that is mine.

[post update]

Actually there is one other "tongue in cheek" post

[Mike]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Here's what I find hard to believe...That this thread is still going, has spawned other threads on "What to believe" and this thread has 22 pages and over 400 posts!

And this is the only post in this thread that is mine.

[post update]

Actually there is one other "tongue in cheek" post

Sounds worthy of a Hitler spoof video if you ask me...

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Here's what I find hard to believe...That this thread is still going, has spawned other threads on "What to believe" and this thread has 22 pages and over 400 posts!

And this is the only post in this thread that is mine.

[post update]

Actually there is one other "tongue in cheek" post

Sounds worthy of a Hitler spoof video if you ask me...

I second the motion.