Corey Goode's claim of "time-regression"

[PHennessey]

Here's my basic, boiled down question:

Why would Corey need to be time-regressed? Wouldn't that negate the time he spent in the SSP, undoing the 20 years of experience and resetting everything as if it never happened?

I can't seem to find an answer to this very simple question. It's kind of important for people to understand this but it just never comes up. I don't see a clear answer on his site and I've never heard of anything in his interviews. The mechanics of his regression need to be aired out and put in front of the story.

Edit: What I mean is: why would they send him back through time? That seems to defeat the purpose of his tour in the first place.

[grannyfranny100]

I have read this sort of thing from other people. They erase the twenty years of off planet experience so you won't spill the beans to the public and reset you to the age before you entered the program. Sometimes you recover the off world memories anyway. Aha, imagine being 71 years old with a fused back and knee replacement, wrinkled skin. Bye bye plastic surgeons, you can be a hot body star again.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by PHennessey (here)

I can't seem to find an answer to this very simple question.

Answer: he's copying the testimony of Michael Relfe.

http://themarsrecords.com

The very interesting books can be downloaded from this page:

http://themarsrecords.com/wp/mars-re...download-books

[PHennessey]

Copy the testimony? Or recounting the same implanted memory?

Still, I'd like to know why reverting back time makes any sense. That negates the job that was done.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by PHennessey (here)
Copy the testimony? Or recounting the same implanted memory?

Still, I'd like to know why reverting back time makes any sense. That negates the job that was done.

Not really... it's like flying someone to the other side of the world for a contract assignment, and then flying them home when it's over. They're not there any more, but the job was still done.

In the case of a time regression, it just adds an extra dimension (of time) to the 'travel'. The job is still done... in the future. Aside from the very advanced tech necessary to do such a thing, logically there may not be any impossible paradoxes.

My point above was that the 20 year time regression — an extremely wild idea — was first presented by Michael Relfe 15 years back (in 2000), who was regressed using a mixture of techniques by his wife Stephanie. (Interestingly, and just as an aside, I actually knew Allen Wright personally, the expert practitioner who trained her.)

Whether Corey would himself ever agree to participate in a regression of any kind, is unknown. He's not been regressed by anyone at all, as best I know. Michael Relfe's story is as weird as they come, but he was willing to submit to a whole lengthy series of sessions, all of which are transcribed in full detail in the books.

That calls on the reader to pay quite some attention, as Michael is absolutely NOT just making unsubstantiated claims. The sessions record his own shock, disbelief and confusion at what was emerging and what he was recalling, page by page. It's pretty real, and is well worth reading for any student of the current Corey fiasco. It shows, for one, how things really could (or maybe should) be properly investigated.

[PHennessey]

Wait a minute -- so if I spend 20 years in the SSP, and then I'm sent back in time, when I return to my normal life, there's another version of me running around in parallel at the exact same moment?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by PHennessey (here)
Wait a minute -- so if I spend 20 years in the SSP, and then I'm sent back in time, when I return to my normal life, there's another version of me running around in parallel at the exact same moment?

Not exactly (if I understand your question! ). If I recall Michael Relfe's story correctly, after his 20 year tour of duty on Mars, he was returned to pretty much the very moment he was 'taken' from... so in this life and timestream, and with his memory wiped, and with his body exactly the same again, his experience seemed subjectively to him to be continuous.

It's like you woke up this morning thinking that you went to bed last night, and slept for 8 hours. All 100% normal. But in Michael Relfe's case, he didn't sleep for 8 hours after he went to bed the previous night: instead, he spent 20 years on Mars.

(If we were having coffee in Starbucks right now, this is where I'd be drawing a diagram on a napkin. )

[PHennessey]

But if we've now entered into a timeline where you DON'T join the SSP, then that completely negates the whole point of joining in the first place.

What I can't wrap my head around is, if I want someone to work for me for 20 years, why would I send them back through time? Wouldn't they disappear from that timeline? Is this about different timelines? I just don't see the purpose, from the boss's point of view.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by PHennessey (here)
But if we've now entered into a timeline where you DON'T join the SSP, then that completely negates the whole point of joining in the first place.

What I can't wrap my head around is, if I want someone to work for me for 20 years, why would I send them back through time? Wouldn't they disappear from that timeline? Is this about different timelines? I just don't see the purpose, from the boss's point of view.

Yes, as I understand it they'd disappear from that [future] timeline. Presumably, they place the person in a time-and-space transporter device of some kind, and press a button. Or something like that!

They are then not there any more... they're returned exactly to where (and WHEN) they came from.

Of course, this is not useful experience for the person involved! If they're mind-wiped back on Planet Earth, they can't use anything they've learned. They can't remember anything about it... not even that any of it happened. But in the future, they may have been extremely useful personnel for a substantial period of time.

From the future boss's point of view, why would they return someone to the past after their contract was finished? That's a good question.

Maybe they needed personnel, who were in short supply, but didn't want to cause a situation on Planet Earth by having people just disappear. Maybe some hand-picked people HAVE disappeared in that way (and stay on Mars and elsewhere)... but the ones that are returned are just those with friends and families. At this point, of course, I'm guessing.

[Jayren]

Posted by PHennessey (here)
But if we've now entered into a timeline where you DON'T join the SSP, then that completely negates the whole point of joining in the first place.

What I can't wrap my head around is, if I want someone to work for me for 20 years, why would I send them back through time? Wouldn't they disappear from that timeline? Is this about different timelines? I just don't see the purpose, from the boss's point of view.

If you don't want them to remember, they complete the job on sight and are returned back to there normal lives before anything ever happened, but it did happen the person just can't remember he only remembers what happened that day right before he was taken and that's where he starts his life again without being taken this time. He doesn't exist in the past timeline as anyone but himself when he first entered it doing his job except for the self that existed to when he wasn't aware about his future self.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

(If we were having coffee in Starbucks right now, this is where I'd be drawing a diagram on a napkin. )

In fact, here it is. I had it in my archives... This is from the book.

[Callista]

Interesting thread - thanks for the diagram Bill - as soon as I saw it I was reminded that Randy Cramer said he had a similar experience - 20 years on Mars then back in his bed the same night he had left.

[Ultima Thule]

To me time regression seems intelligent (never mind whether it is a genuine claim or not) - no people missing, up to unlimited personnel still available as nobody is missing and as nobody is really missing from other peoples pov, there is objectively nothing going on. Ten points for plausible deniability!

UT

[t2016]

Such kind of discussion is good and constructive. I like that.

[PHennessey]

But that would mean that the timeline Corey was sent back to does not include the version where he served the SSP. Aren't they missing his contributions in that timeline? Does this mean that the current SSP has zero record of Corey ever having served with them?

As you can all see, I am struggling with the ramifications of time travel.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by PHennessey (here)
But that would mean that the timeline Corey was sent back to does not include the version where he served the SSP. Aren't they missing his contributions in that timeline? Does this mean that the current SSP has zero record of Corey ever having served with them?

As you can all see, I am struggling with the ramifications of time travel.

In this model (despite Stephanie's labeling in her diagram), there aren't two different timelines. There's only one — with the subject moving back in time only at the end of their tour of duty.

1. The SSP in present time on Planet Earth sends a recruit to the SSP on Mars, at the same time. This is only travel in space, not time.
2. 20 years later, the SSP on Mars (the same one, but 20 years from now) sends the recruit back to WHERE AND WHEN he came from. It's like he was 'borrowed'. That's the only time travel part of the entire zig-zag... the bit when he returns.
3. If there are any administrative records, we can presume that the present and future SSPs would somehow have the means to communicate with each other. If they can send people back, they can surely send paperwork (or information!) back as well.

[ThePythonicCow]

My guess is that, in cases such as this, the notion of time regression is being (ab)used, to make a story involving, say, 60 years worth of life experiences seem to fit in the lifetime of someone perhaps 40 years old.

No doubt, our conventional school book and scientific understanding of time as a universal and linear "ticking of the clock" is no more than another in a long line of simplified, though still useful for many purposes, models of reality, at its many levels. So, quite likely (though I don't personally understand the matter), there are quite strange paradoxes and anomalies, where reality refuses to conform to whatever present day model we try to impose on it. Reality can be stubborn like that.

However I doubt that the simple time jump drawn on Bill's virtual "cocktail napkin" above is what really happens, and I especially doubt that Corey Goode experienced such.

[Callista]

In my experience and to my way of thinking, we make these time jumps every time we enter the dream state and go elsewhere - we always end up back in our beds (well, mostly!). The concept of time in our paradigm is hard to get one's head around and there is always the concept of different timelines both in present time and also future time and past time.

[PHennessey]

I cannot fathom how a single timeline can account for the needs of both parties. A single timeline cannot contain two eventualities. The version of reality where Corey serves his time at the SSP cannot coexist with the version where he lives a "normal" life. Surely they must be separate?

Anyway, I don't presume to understand the time paradoxes, or the purpose of time regression. I just wish Corey would answer this question himself, to be honest. I have asked him twice on his FAQ and received no response. I realize that he is a popular guy right about now, so I've left it at that.

Bill, you made a special point of helping to get Corey's story out. I can appreciate that. What I am left with, though, is a nagging suspicion that his story may not be true or, at the very least, it may be someone else's memories and although he is genuinely retelling his story as he sees it, he may be a victim of manipulation.

It would seem that what is needed is to get every "player" in the same room together for a few weeks and debate with each other (on camera) as they try to work out their various points of view. Seems like we need a Who's Who of alien contactees so we can get all the facts on the table and start to really build a more irrefutable picture. Such an event would require the utmost respect for logic and reason, and would require neutral arbiters. It would be a kind of "Truth Crucible" where irrelevancies are burned away and we are left with a pure source of information that people can actually do something with. Because if there's one thing I dislike, it's noise. Noise is the best weapon against the truth. And the only way to fight it is to focus all the energy and knowledge into one place and keep burning the crucible until all the noise boils away.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Paul (here)

My guess is that, in cases such as this, the notion of time regression is being (ab)used

Yes, understood. (Totally. )

While I do think there really is some good evidence to show that Michael Relfe's story shouldn't be dismissed (do read it! The books are free) — I have far more of an intellectual problem with the idea of body age regression (so that the person was totally identical to their own eyes when they looked in the mirror the 'next morning', with not even an extra scar). The time travel part seems easy in comparison!

Time travel can be seen as movement/transition in another dimension, like a kind of shortcut. (We often talk of hyperspace, but I was told by one insider that it's actually called subspace... like a kind of 'nothingness' space which all the other dimensions exist in.) That can be conceptualized. Age regression CAN'T be explained like this (as best I can see)... and I can't imagine a mechanism to explain how it could operate.