Corey Goode's claim of "time-regression"

[araucaria]

If you take the time element out of reincarnation, you are left with a number of parallel lives with any number of possible interferences or interconnections c>a’ e<y etc.

Life n : …b_____c_____d_____e…
Life n + x : …m_____n_____o_____p…
Life n + x + a: …y_____z_____a’_____b’…

In this case, say z may be a throwback to d where the primitive instinct threatens to take over again, or on the contrary d may be a moment of insight through its timeless connection with z. Or b, m, and y might all be recurrences of the same thing, indicating some constant feature, whether good or not so good. The same would hold with one soul having ‘simultaneous’ lives on different planets, (if the word simultaneous has any meaning here), whereby downtime sleeping on earth is a moment for operating elsewhere. 8 hours sleep here might correspond to a thousand years somewhere else. Since time has been removed from the equation, this is no longer an issue. This would be normal operation and not necessarily interference by some controlling group.

This dream time is all familiar ground in literary theory where it is analyzed as narrative time applied to a fiction, which is an imaginary 3D reality. The following diagrams are taken from Jean Ricardou, Problèmes du nouveau roman, Paris, Seuil, 1967). They have two axes: N (narration), and F (fiction). In diagram 1, the narrative speed is shown to vary: with dialogue, the two are in equilibrium: the reading time is proportionate to the speaking time. Otherwise, reported speech can speed things up by being selective or brief, while analysis slows things down: more words than deeds. In figure 2, the narrative comes to a total stop when an object is described. The object is only there in the instant with nothing happening to it: you can write a whole chapter about that object while nothing actually occurs to take your story forward. You won’t catch Dan Brown doing that . Lastly diagram 3 shows gaps in either the narrative or the fiction. If you write, ‘The following year’, you story has just skipped a whole 12-month period. Alternatively you can mark the gap with a gap in the writing. Or you can even have a gap in the writing with no gap in the fictional reality: the story wanders off or leaves a blank before taking up again where it left off.

So far, this is all fairly straightforward. Modern fiction however tends to weave all kinds of time loops and other distortions. One simple example of the labyrinth of circular time is given in The Erasers, by Alain Robbe-Grillet, in which a detective, called in exactly 24 hours earlier to investigate a murder, is about to report that no murder took place, when he himself commits that murder.
http://www.postmodernmystery.com/the_erasers.html

We may see the likes of Corey Goode as simply spinning a good yarn, or the likes of Michael Relfe recovering from something very nasty. Either way, what seems to be happening is that our supposedly hardened 3D reality is now appearing to be as malleable as a story-teller’s fiction. The question then becomes: who is telling the story? Answer, all of us, to the extent that we are willing to get involved. If you don’t like the ‘plot’ as it currently stands (the word ‘plot’ here belonging not to conspiracy theory but to literary theory), then feel free to change it.

[Callista]

Personal experiences of this kind are so very subjective it is almost impossible to validate them. The experiences are valid for the experiencer but unless an outside party has had the same sort of experiences, then the outside party has no point of reference. I read of other people’s experiences outside of the norm and some are just too foreign for me accept, but I am aware that my own experiences can be very challenging for others too. To ask for proof is very difficult because some things resonate with some and not with others.

At the end of the day, I appreciate the courage it takes to ‘come out’ and tell the world about your personal experiences. If people make them up for whatever reason, it will come back to bite them on the derriere at some point.

Perhaps ‘disclosure’ has to be a personal event before it can be an acceptable collective event?

[Callista]

I am hearing you PHennessey and I know what you mean. But you will never get the validation you crave from outside of yourself. When you believe in yourself it will all come clearer.

[PHennessey]

Callista, there are two stories: your/my story, and The story. For now I will assume that they are indeed separate things. I can only be me right now, so forgive my limited awareness.

One thing I crave more than anything else in the universe is validation. Validation that I am a good person, validation that I am on the right path, and validation that my version of the facts are close to the truth. Today, I'm not getting what I want. I crave evidence. I crave photographs. I crave something to sink my teeth into and taste. All I am getting is the normal hustle and bustle of daily life, but with an injection of a virulent awareness that something isn't right. But when I look closer, the picture becomes fuzzier -- not clearer. Is this an accident? Or are we being purposely misled? My gut tells me it is the latter. If that is true, I see nothing more important than to discover who is doing the misleading and why.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by PHennessey (here)

Bill, you made a special point of helping to get Corey's story out. I can appreciate that. What I am left with, though, is a nagging suspicion that his story may not be true or, at the very least, it may be someone else's memories and although he is genuinely retelling his story as he sees it, he may be a victim of manipulation.

I agree, and so do very many others who are now much better informed than they were when Christine first went to visit Corey at his house in Dallas last September.

The discussion here is about the idea of the zig-zag time thing. It's really very interesting. I've been fascinated by Michael Relfe's very detailed story, and the evidence that supports it, since I first encountered it 12 years ago.

But nothing I've said in any of my posts here supports Corey's broad claims, some of which (with overwhelming probability in my view) are borrowed from others, and the rest of which he has invented.

There's some truth in his material, of course. But basically (and you read it here first!), in my strong, informed opinion and that of many others, Corey is either a pathological liar (paid or otherwise, though he has seemed to admit he is on a payroll), or is so damaged that he sincerely believes his delusions.

Whether they are consciously invented or not, what is VERY clear is that the controllers are letting him run with this ball and are doing absolutely nothing to stop it. Go figure.

As I reported here and earlier, here (please do read), my personal friend Jon Danner was assassinated because he had stated he was intending to speak out in conferences about some things that were very sensitive and real, but far less wild and dramatic than Corey's MANY diverse claims (52 Gaiam TV episodes worth).

That's the real risk that real whistleblowers always face: they are regarded as problems, and the problems have to be made to go away. Real whistleblowers are leaned on, threatened, bribed, punished, or in some cases, killed.

• They are NOT rewarded and left alone.
• They do NOT go on TV with their own co-hosted show.
• They do NOT receive the proceeds from online stores selling trinkets, souvenirs, and promotional memorabilia.

Here's the thought experiment to compare.

Can you imagine Ed Snowden peacefully living with his partner in the US, appearing on a weekly TV show, and receiving income from a gift store selling key rings and coffee cups with "You no longer have any privacy" written on them?

No... neither can I.

[PHennessey]

That's the real risk that real whistleblowers always face: they are regarded as problems, and the problems have to be made to go away.

Then, it would seem that we need to outsmart these problem-erasers. The only way to outsmart someone is to give tools to their enemies that cannot be used against them.

One thing that David Wilcock spoke about was his vetting process of not divulging information until several sources came forward with the same information. There is also the idea of anonymity. If a source has critical information, they should A. feel safe to divulge it B. be taken seriously. This at first appears to be a social challenge. I think it could be re-imagined as an information technology challenge that could be solved with the right tools and the right information format.

[Callista]

WOW! there's a time loop here - I posted my reply to PHennessey after I saw it at 15:12 but my reply appeared at 15:11. How did that happen??

[PHennessey]

My comment is showing as "Last edited by Bill Ryan." Bill, what did you do to my post?

http://i.imgur.com/zRIJJmt.png

Hi there — this is Bill. My apologies! I never altered anything, for sure. It was pretty late at night, and I think I went to reply to your post and instead hit the 'Edit' button which (for the mods) is right next to the 'Reply with Quote' button for every member's post. I should have reversed out of it, but instead I think I must have saved the [unchanged] post. My bad. I do appreciate this very interesting discussion, and all your posts. Certainly, no mods action here was intended by me.

[Sierra]

It is the physical regression, AND the memory tied to physical regression that baffles me...

It has to be tied to an altered state or an alter in some way.

[PHennessey]

Bill, I read your links about Jon Danner. What a remarkable and tragic story of loss.

[Sierra]

Posted by PHennessey (here)
Callista, there are two stories: your/my story, and The story. For now I will assume that they are indeed separate things. I can only be me right now, so forgive my limited awareness.

One thing I crave more than anything else in the universe is validation. Validation that I am a good person, validation that I am on the right path, and validation that my version of the facts are close to the truth. Today, I'm not getting what I want. I crave evidence. I crave photographs. I crave something to sink my teeth into and taste. All I am getting is the normal hustle and bustle of daily life, but with an injection of a virulent awareness that something isn't right. But when I look closer, the picture becomes fuzzier -- not clearer. Is this an accident? Or are we being purposely misled? My gut tells me it is the latter. If that is true, I see nothing more important than to discover who is doing the misleading and why.

I hear you. There is an insane amount of disinfo around the subjects we discuss. I joined Avalon in 2011, and the way my mind is working it out, is to read everything, eliminate as much as I can, and review. Some nuggets start to stick out of the ground.

I have decided: We are immortal spirit, temporarily enclosed in meat sacks, real. Virtually, all military, governmental, religious, educational, medical, and justice systems are psychopathic entities in cahoots, real. UFOs, real. Men on Mars, real. Time travel, real. Monarch12/MKUltra, real.

One of my key tenets in determining truthiness, is integrity. Does what the speaker say, have integrity? Does the speaker have integrity? Does what the speaker say, match in some respect, what other speakers who have integrity, also say on the same subject?

Another key tenet is staying power. Time usually tells on the fakers.

And sometimes... Truth is presented as a story, but it still has integrity, and somehow still lodges in the memory as a truth.

For what it is worth, though I do not know you, and only by your words in this single post, you are focused on being "a good person", you are focused on finding truth, tells me two things. One, you understand and accept that "goodness" is your path, and you respect truth. Therefore I have every confidence your wanderings will take you where you wish to go.

You will probably hate me for saying this lol, but be more patient with yourself. You are young, and when you get old, somehow experience seems to help with seeing the fuzziness, as you say. Consider this search of yours a long haul, and where the pieces click will surprise you over and over.

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

[araucaria]

The point of my earlier post was to suggest that we are not operating on the plane of physical ‘reality’ at all, but on another, parallel, non-physical narrative plane – some kind of limbo, or purgatory. On this plane, the distinction between truth and lies is presented as one between creativity and plagiarism, and it is the subject of a post I made last year:



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post898478

[WhiteLove]

When I entered into a different density reality I noticed a much different more slow "time tick rate" there, the time progressed in a different way over there and this was synced to the level of peace. So what I realized from this experience was that different realities have their own clock rate, hence travelling through time is automatic when you learn to shift into a different density reality, simply by taking a certain path through densities you would either travel back or forward in time relative to your original location. Now, this is all a theoretical idea. In practice I also experienced a dimensional shift from that density into some other one that I never entered fully, what I noticed about that was that density where I was actually froze in space and time, my consciousness had escaped that reality's time and it might be that had I returned there, that reality would have resumed precisely from the point of time when I left. This would mean that there could be multiple timelines all at once, but only one of them is in play mode while the other ones are in pause/sleep mode.

[Andre]

Although I have listened to an extended radio interview of Corey, I can't say I know anything about the circumstances of his time regression. From reading this thread, I assume that his account implies that his memory of the 20 years was wiped rather than being taken back in time for the purpose of altering something specific with minimal impact on the current timeline?

[Pam]

Posted by Paul (here)
My guess is that, in cases such as this, the notion of time regression is being (ab)used, to make a story involving, say, 60 years worth of life experiences seem to fit in the lifetime of someone perhaps 40 years old.

No doubt, our conventional school book and scientific understanding of time as a universal and linear "ticking of the clock" is no more than another in a long line of simplified, though still useful for many purposes, models of reality, at its many levels. So, quite likely (though I don't personally understand the matter), there are quite strange paradoxes and anomalies, where reality refuses to conform to whatever present day model we try to impose on it. Reality can be stubborn like that.

However I doubt that the simple time jump drawn on Bill's virtual "cocktail napkin" above is what really happens, and I especially doubt that Corey Goode experienced such.

Paul, you took the words right out of my mouth, however you stated them much more eloquently then I would have. The other concern that I have is, what kind of experience would someone have to have to make it worth the trouble to do this time regression. It only seems logical that if this was to occur, only those with a lot to contribute would be involved. What skill does Corey have that would warrant this experience?

I do totally concur that although this time regression may well occur, it is a perfect excuse for adding years of experience that will never be verifiable.

[PHennessey]

Thank you for the kind words, Sierra.

You are young

Is 31 young? I don't know. I like to think I age faster on the outside than the inside. I do get carded a lot.

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

Oh believe me, I've been here for some time.

[WhiteLove]

Maybe I have missed something, but my understanding about the Corey Goode story is that all of this stuff is presented without any kinds of hard evidence. And that is exactly what I find is the key issue with the Corey Goode story, episodes with enormous claims and nothing to back it up. It surprises me a little that a hard working truth seeker like David all of a sudden decides to go all in without having any hard evidence presented to the audience. He might have done his cross correlations successfully on his own, but this is really the kind of content that requires at least "some" hard evidence and to my awareness there's none. Why David, it makes no sense.

[OMG]

We ALL want irrefutable evidence. But without direct first hand conscious experience we have to settle for stories and a lack of personal power while we feed the hypothetical unconscious machine.

Direct conscious power in any given paradigm is the only game in town... ("Power" is not to be confused with "force", the latter being a form of power imposed onto or over others against their conscious volition, etc).

BTW: In Corey's defense it seems feasible that based on the so-called power of his alien friends that he could easily be protected. Also, why can't there be rational reasons for withholding certain things for now?

[PHennessey]

If I had regular contact with an alien, I would require that they allow themselves to be photographed, videotaped, and documented in explicit detail so that the images/video can be put into a digital cloud vault and released remotely at a time of my choosing. It confuses me as to why anyone with such incredible experiences would not do everything in their power to prove it is happening to the outside world.

[Agape]

Posted by PHennessey (here)
If I had regular contact with an alien, I would require that they allow themselves to be photographed, videotaped, and documented in explicit detail so that the images/video can be put into a digital cloud vault and released remotely at a time of my choosing. It confuses me as to why anyone with such incredible experiences would not do everything in their power to prove it is happening to the outside world.

1/Encounters are real . There have been perhaps good few instances of direct ET-Human encounters but they're still rare .
People who claim to have 'contact experiences' every other day are re-experieriencing themselves in elaborate manner on level of their archetypal understanding of things, themselves and the Universe ..

2/The time-space field where ET abide can wrap human 4D space like a pancake in my opinion,
and when they leave there are very little traces left behind

3/vis point one : number of people who actually experienced ET contact is limited but we will never know of all of them

4/most current human technologies experience malfunction or are otherwise rendered useless in presence of their time-space fields

5/they are able to create phenomenal synchronicity of events where a level of communication between them and human beings can manifest

6/therefor , we have to leave it upon them .. or ...come up with more sophisticated scientific method ..