THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

[astrid]

Posted by bluestflame (here)
with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

Exactly.... solution focused rather than blame focused.
The question to ask yourself is simple, do u want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution??

Remind yourselves what got us in this mess in the first place... separatist thinking, avoiding responsibility, looking for blame, etc.. the list goes on.
We have a very real opportunity here to be part of the grand plan to clean up this mess.

And this might sound harsh, but i mean it with the greatest respect to all...
the bottom line here, people need to grow up...

[Fractalius]

Thanks to those trying to focus on putting forward ideas, probably about the right amount of time has passed too for the somewhat natural flinch of the scenario posed during and following the release of this interview.
I like the sound of holding off speculations and concentrating, if even hypothetically on presenting proof there is another way.
I believe that solutions like arken suggests may well be becoming more and more possible every day.
Perhaps Astrid the growing up thing is to do with being self content. A lot of blame I see in public arena is from people reciting mantra's towards enemies they have chosen as reasons as to why they are not content. Their perception of what equates to contentedness may also be tainted.

[astrid]

If nothing else, this interview is getting alot of interest on the net... i just got word of an up coming radio interview discussing this...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/univers...portant-discus

[OneLittleFrog]

DO NOT question the masters or their messengers.

Bow your head, be silent and obedient.

We are your masters. We know what's best for you.

You will be taught to worship us. You will be taught to praise us. But most importantly, you will obey us.

We know what's best for you.

Knowledge is not your right. You exist only to serve.

Do not dare seek the Tree of Knowledge -- or you will be cast from the beautiful garden we've created for you.

And if you displease us, we will send a great calamity to annihilate all of you, right down to the tiniest child.

We know what's best for you. DO NOT QUESTION US.


Remember folks, we've been whipped down this path before................

[jeannacav]

I agree, froggie.

I was just writing a post with my well thought out suggestions and it became cynical and I stopped.
Why would we tell them what we need to do to save the world from the problems they have defined?
We might as well say, "Yes, massuh."

The real problems are NOT the ones they have defined and to try to answer them is to fall into a trap.

A few of the real problems are that:

We do not have free energy available to us.
We have closed societies that are economically based and fighting for superiority when they should all be sharing what they have learned with everyone else all the time.
We are hammered at every corner by all means available to make us believe we are weak and incapable, when we are powerful creators.

etc etc.

All I need to say is that we have been enslaved and this is the problem. Period.

mmmm sounds like a rant.

I will be quiet, now.

jeanna

[OneLittleFrog]

Posted by jeannacav (here)
All I need to say is that we have been enslaved and this is the problem. Period.

mmmm sounds like a rant.

I will be quiet, now.

jeanna

Don't you dare be quiet!

[Seikou-Kishi]

Maybe one day the orchestrators of all the mess will show themselves with a childish grin on their faces and shouting "April Fool's" and inform us that this aeon is a public holiday in which everybody in the dimension plays pranks on each other, and we'll all laugh at the jolly japes and admit with good humour that they had us for a moment

[Ara]

Posted by SPIRIT WOLF (here)
Because the '33' know whistleblowers and insiders contact the 'alternative media' to disclose. They keep tabs on who says what and where and monitor all such public areas

Barry are you saying the "33" are the conductors of the disclosure train?

[Thunderbird]

Posted by jeannacav (here)
I agree, froggie.

I was just writing a post with my well thought out suggestions and it became cynical and I stopped.
Why would we tell them what we need to do to save the world from the problems they have defined?
We might as well say, "Yes, massuh."

The real problems are NOT the ones they have defined and to try to answer them is to fall into a trap.

A few of the real problems are that:

We do not have free energy available to us.
We have closed societies that are economically based and fighting for superiority when they should all be sharing what they have learned with everyone else all the time.
We are hammered at every corner by all means available to make us believe we are weak and incapable, when we are powerful creators.

etc etc.

All I need to say is that we have been enslaved and this is the problem. Period.

mmmm sounds like a rant.

I will be quiet, now.

jeanna

I once had a very insightful conversation with John Perkins the man who wrote "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," at some random event that he was speaking at.

He shook my hand in what I thought was an awkward way. I obviously didn't know what the proper way to shake his hand was. lol. He later intimated that the thought that I was there to kill him had crossed his mind.

Now, I am by NO means any sort of character that would be doing anything CLOSE to that sort of thing. I was just some random guy at a random event, but I could tell that he was genuinely concerned. Perhaps he was far past the line and men such as "Charles" had paid him "soft" visits in the past.

After all, he was one of the people who DID do some of the "softer" persuasion tactics that "Charles" describes, only he "worked" with heads of state. Whether "Charles" does or not is inconsequential.

John's message was one of self control, voting with your dollars, and becoming educated as to the true workings of the world. He wanted to give people a chance.

Interestingly, he said this to me when i asked him about free energy....
"Look at what we've done with energy since the industrial revolution...how much more would we mess up the planet if it was abundant and everywhere. "

At the time i didn't like the answer. I didn't want to, because I believed in the over whelming goodness of mankind. I believed everyone was like me, able to exist in homeostasis with our environment, wanting the highest good for all beings. Now, i am aware that the world is a business model and as well intentioned as i was...i was living in fairy tale land.

Now, of course it is also telling that a man of his nature, position, and previous work habits was afraid for his life. That displays the commitment of the people he worked on behalf of and the seriousness they prescribe to their dealings.

I am not here as a judge of men by any stretch of the imagination, however I would like to take the moment to point out how committed they are to what they might consider a "lowest collateral" global takeover.

Why forcibly enslave the globe through military force only to watch it crumble the minute it is in place, when you can with enough patience and determination position the planet to create your favored outcome. To quote "Charles," is it murder to kill 30 people to save 300,000?

Rather than conquer the globe with force, as has been done countless times throughout history to no avail, they have devised what I must appreciate as a tactical, patient, strategic, well hidden, well thought out plan that is laser like in its attention to detail and scope. It DOES meet what I presume is their criteria for a "bloodless" coup, though it may not meet yours. It DOES display an attempt at doing the right thing by their measure.

After all, isn't it reasonable from their perspective as evidenced by "Charles" to get rid of a couple problems rather than actively kill millions? Aren't they presumably trying to make a utopian, healthy, advanced planet and civilization?

We mustn't prescribe our moral values on a culture that has an entirely different modality, and cultural value, as abhorrent as you may judge it to be. Remember they do not consider it killing off the population if the population isn't smart enough to figure out whats going on and know how to be self sufficient if food production is cut off.

I for one would LOVE to live in a world where such tactics, strategies, and force aren't necessary. Alas, at this point in Humanity's evolution this does not seem to be the case. If I COULD swipe my hand and make it that way I would, but as it is not that way AND we have been "dealt a ****ty hand" as was said earlier somewhere in this forum, I make this series of propositions:

1. Deal with it.
It is unpleasant. It is ****ty. You don't run the show. You don't even run the green room at the show. You're lucky to be in the audience at all at this point. you've walked into a room and people are playing a game that you don't know the rules. you don't even know the name of the game!

2. That fact is "the Elite" are you.
You must forgive yourself of all your faults. You must forgive yourself for being manipulative, deceitful, cruel, heartless, and any and all of the horrible things you prescribe to these folks. If you see it in them, its because its in you at some level, even if its benign. This was the hardest part of this process for me over the past few years, accepting my own characteristics that limited me.

If you want to get heady about it, think of the globe as a whole organism. We individual humans are "thoughts" on this planet. Here for a blink of an eye. Imagine your life sped up to one fraction of a second and watch it from space. You would look like a lightning bolt across the face of the globe...or rather a firing of neurons in a brain. These divine (aren't we all?) human beings "running" the planet could be thought of as fundamental "egoic" thoughts concerned with self preservation, control, making sense of a chaotic field of information. They have a fundamentally important role to play in the character of our civilization, just as having those same thoughts scaled down to the individual level protect you and help you function and stay alive in your own experience. Every one makes order out of chaos throughout their WHOLE lives.

3. If we are to create a world together, it has to be "together."
Everyone's needs must be met without judgement. Any good business person and negotiator will find out what each party's needs, wants, and deal breakers are and come up with solutions that meets each party's needs without pushing the deal breakers.

4. There are NO "shoulds"
The world "shouldn't" be this way. the world "shouldn't" be that way...It is what we make of it.

5. Accept your power
If you were to accept about yourself what the "elite" have accepted about themselves in the first place...NONE of this would be happening. They accept that they are powerful. They accept that they are divine. They ACCEPT that the world is what THEY make of it. AND....THEY ARE ACTING ON IT. And, by their account doing the best they know how to do. What's your excuse?

6. Look at the georgia guidestones.
Want to know what they want? Look there. If I were to paint a global civilization Id pretty much do what it says. It makes sense. I mean, these families HAVE had hundreds if not thousands of years to come up with a vision, make a business plan, and implement it. Of course, its that pesky first one thats got the masses all riled up now hasn't it. Population at 500,000,000 i believe? I mean everything else is pretty dang reasonable, heck even desirable...

So population....
I would offer that it isn't so much a problem of how many, but rather management. Specifically, management of resources. I have stated that I believe the planet CAN sustain Billions and Billions of people if resources were managed properly, and organizational structures were created properly. I would go so far as to assert that a form of socialism were necessary to manage that many people and systems. It would, however require "buy in."

If a clearly defined vision of what we are trying to create were proposed and people were inspired to create it with the type of leadership people like JFK, MLK, and Ghandi represented and some creative marketing thrown into the mix, while still giving functioning power to the people who hold the cards, so to speak, then we have a starting point. I believe this is what "they" were attempting to do with "Barry Sotero" or whatever people think his name is.

JFK's problem was that from 'their" perspective he was gonna f-up the whole business model....the FED.

I'd say to would be revolutionaries...can't have a revolution unless your willing to eat rats.

As Bill stated in his opening, the technology IS there to make this vision real. We CAN clean up this mess. We CAN provide food, water, clean energy, and the basics to people of the world, perhaps in exchange for directed effort towards the goals of the planet.

We could control the population with incentives, tax breaks, what have you, if people will limit THEMSELVES to a certain amount of children.

We could keep nation states, make WW3 the highest ratings "war game" that helps nations resolve trade disputes, generates billions of dollars, doesn't kill anyone, but still trains soldiers to go into space and defend our planet. Which i believe is VERY important.

With a little patience and dedication we could really come up with all sorts of workable, desirable, solutions.

but for now....I must go to sleep.

Goodnight.

[gripreaper]

There are those who have tested kinesthetically the energy fields of the interviewer and the interviewee and have weighed in on their take of the level of consciousness they reside upon.

One poster sites David Hawkins’s scales as what they used for their source, yet I would reference Bruce Lipton’s work and his association with Bill Williams who came up with Psych-K as a comprehensive work on muscle testing, or “truth” testing as it is also called. Yet what they have found out in subsequent research is that “bias” influences the results.

But where this is leading is, if the 33 are at the capstone (not just the capstone but the very top pinnacle of the capstone) and they know of an energetic capstone that is opposite their own in duality, why wouldn’t they send an emissary to investigate and measure the energetic levels of consciousness of the emerging and awakening that is occurring at the leading edge of ascension?

In my humble opinion, after crawling into every rabbit hole on the internet, this group of Avalonians and Camelot souls IS at the pinnacle of the emerging consciousness. Not to say that there are not others, but I don’t find them in such a large concentration.

This is a great opportunity to take our 22 seconds of fame and make our intentions known as to HOW WE want to create the future which was are ascending towards.

We are the ones we have been waiting for!

[Ross]

I posted this on another thread but feel it is relevant here also

Human docility is more of a problem than the controllers, or any other issue facing us, IMO.

It starts within, as you all know. Consider what you do have control over, and what you do not, it becomes real obvious that all you have control over is you, and you alone.

Some real handy skills to learn and apply are: critical thinking, self-discipline, self-belief, focus, the art of intention and the understanding of energy (you) and how to harness the variable existing energies available to us, and the application of such.

This task, in itself, is the single greatest challenge we as individuals face during the course of our lives, (Having control over ourselves), IMO.

What we become inside, radiates outwardly, this is your signature, your creation. If we are looking for a better way to exist and make a difference, then this is the only logical, rational, worthwhile use of our time and energy that makes any sense to me. (fix us first) then we can apply UNITY, this is the key; we need to be reading the same book, if not the same page but that timeline as I see it, is yet to be created.

Ross

[3optic]

Thanks Thunderbird. I was a bit surprised by the reaction here. I would think there'd be a benefit of doubt when it came to this interview. It's as if we're just another consumer group looking at this as entertainment. What can you give me? That was boring! I already heard it! Is the problem that "Charles" is lying or that he's regurgitating old material that we already know to be true? We'll have it both ways I guess... It's OK to let the dust settle before jumping to conclusions! Reflexively broadcasting from the negative mind is not a virtue despite what we may be learning from pop culture and internet forums. There is actually little risk in listening with an open mind and letting the valid data sink in. In my experience, there is an organic sorting function in the brain that works quite well when not over burdened or rushed.

I've gone through a lot of this kind of material and while I've heard most of what has been discussed, I appreciate the context and I trust Bill. This is his forum.. we are here because we trust him in some way..?

PS. Excepting those who seemed legitimately concerned for his safety.

[witchy1]

.....this group of Avalonians and Camelot souls IS at the pinnacle of the emerging consciousness. Not to say that there are not others, but I don’t find them in such a large concentration.

Hi Gripreaper, never a truer word said and welcome to Avalon

We may not always agree with one another, which is healthy - if we all agreed with the same thing, it would be a faily bland existence and nothing would change our views.

This is a great place to meet and chat and most of all, its like our second family here. The longer you stay and be involved, the more you will get out of it.

*****
ADDIT: Yew, that didnt sound to cultish did it???????????????

[Isserley]

I dont understand why did 'Charles' decide to have an interview with Bill if he doesnt care about humans and if he doesnt belive in a positive outcome?!? What are his intentions if not helping?
If the human race isn't worth saving, what is?
surely if we're all dead, it doesn't matter what else exists anymore... so why think anything's worth saving if we can't even get the enthusiasm to save ourselves?
There is nothing worth saving if you think life must always be lived without hope for a different outcome for people...but in order to have that, each of us must be up for being a bit more pro-active than we have been in our own lives and in that of our world. Instead of making a list of resolutions that most of us don't keep anyway, make a list of changes you would like to see accomplished on any level. Next to any of the things you list, put a mark next to those which you could help in accomplishing and just do them or just do your part. If you truly find there is nothing you can do, then perhaps yours is the part of the human race not worth saving!

[bashi]

Posted by bluestflame (here)
with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

Yes, absolutely. Instead of trying to throw darts into Their (armoured) chest, let's bombard Them with good ideas to make Their brains rock and roll...

[mrmalco]

Some questions - no offence to Bill intended:
In view of all that we've all learned over the years, what exactly has 'changed' in Bill's view of things?
How frightened is Bill? He seemed at moments over-ingratiating.
How much of a distraction is it that Bill and 'Charles', rather than the world situation, have become centre stage?
When the researcher (Bill, Kerry ... whoever) becomes well known, does their experience become too much of a topic?
Has Project Avalon been substantially derailed in terms of its priorities by this interview?
Bill says that much of his time has been occupied with all this for months - so has a 'soft' strategy against him in fact been effective?
To what extent, in view of so much having to remain unsaid by Bill, has he been pried loose from his first allegiance to the Project?
Does Bill now believe he pretty well knows full the story ... with the result that his investigative interest is now undermined?
To what extent can any of our questions influence any further interview with Charles? Is the terrain now too much determined by relationship-with/threat-from/no-go-areas-agreed-with 'Charles'?

[TraineeHuman]

Bill said that this is Disclosure. For some reason, nearly everybody in this thread has been ignoring that fact or playing it down. The silence has been quite deafening. Oh, it must be some type of social science experiment or survey by TPTW. Oh, we don’t like the Mahumed Ali style bravado with which Charles tends to express himself, thanks to his upbringing. Oh, we can’t sub-consciously resist demonizing Charles because in reality we aren’t together enough to face all the cr** of our own inside of ourselves. So let’s bash him, even though it’s irrelevant and not intelligent nor diplomatic to do so.

My understanding is that TPTW have apparently been forced into beginning real Disclosure now. I suspect they have no choice. As Bill said, they were watching these threads carefully to see if the info was intelligently received – to see whether this was a reliable vehicle (not subservient, but intelligent and interactive). But too many people have proved to be sufficiently not grown up enough to refrain from indulging their cr**, and reacting to TPTW’s or Charles’ cr**. What was needed instead was more people responding from their heart and soul. Let’s put aside all our limitations for a moment...

[Fractalius]

Agree TH, though also I see that a certain period of reaction was to be expected. There has been a lot of extrapolated "HUH?"s that also read as criticism yet are just over analysis perhaps.
But yes, agree that has been a bit of over dramatising too.
All in all a great experience so far, thanks to all involved.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Eric - listen carefully:

You asked someone to list what was the 30% that we thought we knew in the alternative community that Charles confirmed was real.

So I told you. (It might be a little more than 30%, actually.)

Then you replied:



Can anyone understand why the controllers laugh at the stupidity of the alternative community?

Perhaps I expected a little more than re-gurgitated info ... my assumption was wrong ... but I have failed only in my hunger for the real 'truth' and 'new', and not stuff that most of us here know about... nothing new...if this is a test bed to see how much we already know, then I sincerely hope that this chap will be re-interviewed. Maybe he can divulge some 'truths' that we don't know about...And if he is genuine he won't mind being re-interviewed again.

If he is not the real McCoy then he will run a mile!!

I very much doubt if they are laughing at us...and if they are. They most certainly won't have the last 'laugh'...

Don't take this personally Bill...Its not the interviewer here I am questioning.

By the way I think you handled him exceptionally well under the cricumstances.

Keep on trucking.

viking

[jcocks]

No, this isn't real disclosure... This is just testing the waters. And they're not even doing it themselves - they're sending a pleb to do it for them... and they're not just testing us, they're testing bill too.


My feeling is that we'll get to the juicy stuff soon, and it won't be Charles that bill will be interviewing... It will be someone higher up in the food chain.

Call it a gut feeling, but as the saying goes, "You ain't seen NOTHING yet!"