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    All I need to say is that we have been enslaved and this is the problem. Period.


    This seems to be obvious, dear jeannacav - but there is another viewpoint to this. Let me explain it:

    Let's say you breed dogs. - You want to improve the DNA, so that your animals are able to search for people under the snow or for drugs, guide blind people, to run fast and win races, defend you... Many good reasons.

    And suddenly spiritual beings just like you are start to incarnate into these dog-bodies.

    Not an easy situation for you as a breeder. That wasn't how you wanted to play the game! You are not prepared to take the dogs as equals!
    You are interested in the DNA, not in the beings.

    And the beings in the dog-bodies would start to complain: "We don't agree with your rules. We want to be free. This is our planet, this is our game, leave us alone!"

    How will the breeders react? Right! They start to find ways to keep the dogs within the boundaries.

    So this is the situation here. The Human Bodies have been manufactured thousands of years ago, improved many times, very importantly probably after the great flood.

    But when did you as a spiritual being decided to play this game?

    I personally came here 3000 years ago and I know only a few who are here longer. My friends and clients have lived between 1 - 15 lifetimes on this planet, although they exist for aeons - as we all do. Talking about eternity here.

    I would guess that most probably the people on this Forum made a choice to incarnate into the breed that is 'managed' by the controllers /breeders. So why complain?

    Right now it feels like the dawn of a change... Maybe the breeders are more willing to give us a chance.

    With all my best wishes for all the soul-beings in this game.

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    I once had a very insightful conversation with John Perkins the man who wrote "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," at some random event that he was speaking at.

    He shook my hand in what I thought was an awkward way. I obviously didn't know what the proper way to shake his hand was. lol. He later intimated that the thought that I was there to kill him had crossed his mind.

    Now, I am by NO means any sort of character that would be doing anything CLOSE to that sort of thing. I was just some random guy at a random event, but I could tell that he was genuinely concerned. Perhaps he was far past the line and men such as "Charles" had paid him "soft" visits in the past.

    After all, he was one of the people who DID do some of the "softer" persuasion tactics that "Charles" describes, only he "worked" with heads of state. Whether "Charles" does or not is inconsequential.

    John's message was one of self control, voting with your dollars, and becoming educated as to the true workings of the world. He wanted to give people a chance.

    Interestingly, he said this to me when i asked him about free energy....
    "Look at what we've done with energy since the industrial revolution...how much more would we mess up the planet if it was abundant and everywhere. "

    At the time i didn't like the answer. I didn't want to, because I believed in the over whelming goodness of mankind. I believed everyone was like me, able to exist in homeostasis with our environment, wanting the highest good for all beings. Now, i am aware that the world is a business model and as well intentioned as i was...i was living in fairy tale land.

    Now, of course it is also telling that a man of his nature, position, and previous work habits was afraid for his life. That displays the commitment of the people he worked on behalf of and the seriousness they prescribe to their dealings.

    I am not here as a judge of men by any stretch of the imagination, however I would like to take the moment to point out how committed they are to what they might consider a "lowest collateral" global takeover.

    Why forcibly enslave the globe through military force only to watch it crumble the minute it is in place, when you can with enough patience and determination position the planet to create your favored outcome. To quote "Charles," is it murder to kill 30 people to save 300,000?

    Rather than conquer the globe with force, as has been done countless times throughout history to no avail, they have devised what I must appreciate as a tactical, patient, strategic, well hidden, well thought out plan that is laser like in its attention to detail and scope. It DOES meet what I presume is their criteria for a "bloodless" coup, though it may not meet yours. It DOES display an attempt at doing the right thing by their measure.

    After all, isn't it reasonable from their perspective as evidenced by "Charles" to get rid of a couple problems rather than actively kill millions? Aren't they presumably trying to make a utopian, healthy, advanced planet and civilization?

    We mustn't prescribe our moral values on a culture that has an entirely different modality, and cultural value, as abhorrent as you may judge it to be. Remember they do not consider it killing off the population if the population isn't smart enough to figure out whats going on and know how to be self sufficient if food production is cut off.

    I for one would LOVE to live in a world where such tactics, strategies, and force aren't necessary. Alas, at this point in Humanity's evolution this does not seem to be the case. If I COULD swipe my hand and make it that way I would, but as it is not that way AND we have been "dealt a ****ty hand" as was said earlier somewhere in this forum, I make this series of propositions:

    1. Deal with it.
    It is unpleasant. It is ****ty. You don't run the show. You don't even run the green room at the show. You're lucky to be in the audience at all at this point. you've walked into a room and people are playing a game that you don't know the rules. you don't even know the name of the game!

    2. That fact is "the Elite" are you.
    You must forgive yourself of all your faults. You must forgive yourself for being manipulative, deceitful, cruel, heartless, and any and all of the horrible things you prescribe to these folks. If you see it in them, its because its in you at some level, even if its benign. This was the hardest part of this process for me over the past few years, accepting my own characteristics that limited me.

    If you want to get heady about it, think of the globe as a whole organism. We individual humans are "thoughts" on this planet. Here for a blink of an eye. Imagine your life sped up to one fraction of a second and watch it from space. You would look like a lightning bolt across the face of the globe...or rather a firing of neurons in a brain. These divine (aren't we all?) human beings "running" the planet could be thought of as fundamental "egoic" thoughts concerned with self preservation, control, making sense of a chaotic field of information. They have a fundamentally important role to play in the character of our civilization, just as having those same thoughts scaled down to the individual level protect you and help you function and stay alive in your own experience. Every one makes order out of chaos throughout their WHOLE lives.

    3. If we are to create a world together, it has to be "together."
    Everyone's needs must be met without judgement. Any good business person and negotiator will find out what each party's needs, wants, and deal breakers are and come up with solutions that meets each party's needs without pushing the deal breakers.

    4. There are NO "shoulds"
    The world "shouldn't" be this way. the world "shouldn't" be that way...It is what we make of it.

    5. Accept your power
    If you were to accept about yourself what the "elite" have accepted about themselves in the first place...NONE of this would be happening. They accept that they are powerful. They accept that they are divine. They ACCEPT that the world is what THEY make of it. AND....THEY ARE ACTING ON IT. And, by their account doing the best they know how to do. What's your excuse?

    6. Look at the georgia guidestones.
    Want to know what they want? Look there. If I were to paint a global civilization Id pretty much do what it says. It makes sense. I mean, these families HAVE had hundreds if not thousands of years to come up with a vision, make a business plan, and implement it. Of course, its that pesky first one thats got the masses all riled up now hasn't it. Population at 500,000,000 i believe? I mean everything else is pretty dang reasonable, heck even desirable...

    So population....
    I would offer that it isn't so much a problem of how many, but rather management. Specifically, management of resources. I have stated that I believe the planet CAN sustain Billions and Billions of people if resources were managed properly, and organizational structures were created properly. I would go so far as to assert that a form of socialism were necessary to manage that many people and systems. It would, however require "buy in."

    If a clearly defined vision of what we are trying to create were proposed and people were inspired to create it with the type of leadership people like JFK, MLK, and Ghandi represented and some creative marketing thrown into the mix, while still giving functioning power to the people who hold the cards, so to speak, then we have a starting point. I believe this is what "they" were attempting to do with "Barry Sotero" or whatever people think his name is.

    JFK's problem was that from 'their" perspective he was gonna f-up the whole business model....the FED.

    I'd say to would be revolutionaries...can't have a revolution unless your willing to eat rats.

    As Bill stated in his opening, the technology IS there to make this vision real. We CAN clean up this mess. We CAN provide food, water, clean energy, and the basics to people of the world, perhaps in exchange for directed effort towards the goals of the planet.

    We could control the population with incentives, tax breaks, what have you, if people will limit THEMSELVES to a certain amount of children.

    We could keep nation states, make WW3 the highest ratings "war game" that helps nations resolve trade disputes, generates billions of dollars, doesn't kill anyone, but still trains soldiers to go into space and defend our planet. Which i believe is VERY important.

    With a little patience and dedication we could really come up with all sorts of workable, desirable, solutions.

    but for now....I must go to sleep.

    Goodnight.


    Yes, energy is a cost factor in production. The use of free energy in production would have a negative effect, if the system to value items is not adjusted. If the consumer items get cheaper because of free energy, then the useless littering would only increase.


    Another problem would be the potential misuse of Free Energy devices by real terrorist organizations, like Boko Haram etc..

    This is a big problem, although transitory, because the root is poverty and its related problems like lack of education, etc.
    As Celente puts it: “If the people have nothing to lose, they lose it.” This is valid not only for Americans.

    So how to implement Free Energy without increasing waste, crushing the existing economic scheme and getting blown into pieces?

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    Yes, energy is a cost factor in production. The use of free energy in production would have a negative effect, if the system to value items is not adjusted. If the consumer items get cheaper because of free energy, then the useless littering would only increase.

    Another problem would be the potential misuse of Free Energy devices by real terrorist organizations, like Boko Haram etc..

    This is a big problem, although transitory, because the root is poverty and its related problems like lack of education, etc.
    As Celente puts it: “If the people have nothing to lose, they lose it.” This is valid not only for Americans.

    So how to implement Free Energy without increasing waste, crushing the existing economic scheme and getting blown into pieces?
    Indeed.

    Mental exercise: how many of your friends you trust enough to have loaded gun in your presence?
    How many of your friend you trust enough to have loaded gun in presence of your children/grandchildren?

    And with free energy we are talking something with creative/destructive capability of more than a gun.

    In the right hands - there is great potential ... but what will happen in hands of someone of mental level of average primate?

    "Problem" (and giant learning opportunity too, make no mistake) with humans, is they span giant amount of spectrum, and cannot be really be put all into one pen. Adventure for one is deadly peril for another. It all depends.

    Question is: what has bigger value : perceived security or freedom.

    Given dog analogy above: you have very clever mongrels, specialized breeds, but some are neither bright nor good-looking. Yet all are "dogs". Even if they are rabid ....

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    Bill is the authority on what happened.

    We are just guessing, intelligently in many cases.
    Without context its not possible to fully understand anything.
    Bill had a long lead in to this interview so his context is quite different from ours.
    In other words he has the essence of the communications with Charles.
    Essence tends to be more important than words.

    My feeling is just get on with life, we are only controlled if we think we are.
    Put no head above your own.
    To my mind ultimately God is the totality all of it and only the Creator is worthy of devotion and our full attention in the priority of things.
    Its practical to have this priority, I have found that when ever I have really needed help and prayed in himility knowing I could not handle a life threating situation, despite my best efforts, the help came, not just on one occasion but on quite a few.
    So my faith is not blind but based on reality.
    For myself the big picture is presented well by Nassim Haramein "Crossing the event horizon" Science and spirituality coming together.
    Various videos here and u tube.

    I have the greatest respect for Bill and he is doing what he believes in exceedingly well.
    We should just let him be till he puts additional context to it as he has promised.

    Respecting all the diverse points of view.
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    Good morning, Good Avalon ... the Earth says hello!

    Quote Posted by jcocks (here)
    No, this isn't real disclosure... This is just testing the waters. And they're not even doing it themselves - they're sending a pleb to do it for them... and they're not just testing us, they're testing bill too.
    My feeling is that we'll get to the juicy stuff soon, and it won't be Charles that bill will be interviewing... It will be someone higher up in the food chain.
    Call it a gut feeling, but as the saying goes, "You ain't seen NOTHING yet!"
    Good points, JC. Hope you are right.

    For me, the following protest song by one of the great poetic songwriters of our generation, Jonathan Edwards, says it all.



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    Quote Posted by bashi (here)
    If i would be Charles, by now i would be MAD AS HELL.
    It seems you guys are showing NO understanding for people much different than internet-bloggers.
    Have you heard of self-respect? These people have a lot of this (maybe too much), because that is needed to be brave and fearless.
    For people which are used to kick ass (so to speak), this type of response is just UNBEARABLE.
    Forget the idea of Charles replying directly on this forum. Just forget it ...
    I would like to people reading this consider one thing:
    These guys are "in power" for quite some time.
    As far as I can tell we are still here, even if there were few close calls.
    Still, hindsight is 20/20
    And folks still incarnate here. That tells something.

    For one- they are not knights in shining armour, but they manage to run this show.

    And as in any kind of business - if you believe you can do better that current management/top dog - prove it or shut up.

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    Lets not get this all twisted up about the breeders and the dogs etc. The 33 ARE DOGS!

    This humanity has been under this management for a long time and the evidence is showing that it's a bad, selfish and cruel management ( we are currently being made as helpless as possible to aid in our removal ).

    All the PR in the world is not going to change that.

    Until a sign goes up over humanity that says "UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT" it will be more of this kind of management, which, I'll state again, is a bunch of self appointed DOGS running the DOGS.

    Give me a break from this caring concerned wise leaders twaddle please.
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    A little bit dissapointed in your comment here Luke...

    Running the show!!! And they are doing a good job!! give me a break... I can think of many that would have done a lot better... ah haaaa ... but the PTB just take them out!!

    Same old...always has been...control...greed...ect ect

    We are all enslaved within the matrix...all be design...WAKE UP!!!

    They are losing control...and they know it!!!

    Yes they have been in power for quite 'some time'....that 'some time' is coming to an end...

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    Yes they have been in power for quite 'some time'....that 'some time' is coming to an end...
    You know, that is the problem I have..

    All I hear is talk about "loosing power"

    ZERO real proofs.

    Rome fallen, yet people rebuilt it. Why?

    It's bit like with computer software .. why most of people use windows or macos even when they have free alternatives?

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    You know, that is the problem I have..

    All I hear is talk about "loosing power"

    ZERO real proofs.

    Rome fallen, yet people rebuilt it. Why?

    It's bit like with computer software .. why most of people use windows or macos even when they have free alternatives?
    There are cracks appearing all around them Luke, even 'mother earth' is firing up!!

    Take a deep breath and look around you...jump out of the 'chaos' and feel...

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    There are cracks appearing all around them Luke, even 'mother earth' is firing up!!

    Take a deep breath and look around you...jump out of the 'chaos' and feel...

    viking
    That cracks are signs of incoming "reset".
    Which is precisely why agenda for "leaner and meaner" humanity is on the way right now.
    This is time for changing stuff, but only those that learned to "program" can provide working solution.

    We have been given a "preview" of sorts. Thing is up and running, and seem quite polished and well-advertised. Shipping to store near you, actually.

    Now, lemme see about the concurrent company ...
    Oh, they started to think about writing a draft ....(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...want-to-create)

    (actually, it might be that the monopolist to be is so worried about anti-monopoly court making a case that they decided to help the "opposition" ?)

    /sarcasm

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    just saying that if we view this as having the potential to open up a more directly interactive dialogue between proported behind the scenes managers and well initially us here wot post on avalon ( mystical roots ) it''d be a shame to wast the potential of such an opportunity ...imagine that , an opportunity to get some real answers rather than just educated guesses and conjecture ...what would you ask them if you could ( knowing they don't have to communicate ) I would be interested to hear direct from a more directly involved member on the true nature of thier organisation and share a few of me own insights

    like Bill said earlier the gut feeling is there can be a "win win solution" for all concerned just gotta get past some misperceptions created not necessarily by the organisation concerned , but perhaps by other organisations lower down the ladder so to speak

    I'm still getting me head around the mention of non interference and how "charles" and his modus operandi fits into that without compromising it ( cos we are still responsible for the chain of events we set into motion wether we are directly involved at its destination or not )

    i'd be asking some questions about "the watchers" also

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    Quote Posted by Luke (here)
    That cracks are signs of incoming "reset".
    Which is precisely why agenda for "leaner and meaner" humanity is on the way right now.
    This is time for changing stuff, but only those that learned to "program" can provide working solution.

    We have been given a "preview" of sorts. Thing is up and running, and seem quite polished and well-advertised. Shipping to store near you, actually.

    Now, lemme see about the concurrent company ...
    Oh, they started to think about writing a draft ....(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...want-to-create)

    (actually, it might be that the monopolist to be is so worried about anti-monopoly court making a case that they decided to help the "opposition" ?)

    /sarcasm
    Ha ha Luke..I look forward to the re-set button...

    But, not sure who will be running the show after!! ;-)

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    Not an easy situation for you as a breeder. That wasn't how you wanted to play the game! You are not prepared to take the dogs as equals!
    You are interested in the DNA, not in the beings. .
    I have never know anyone who breed dogs who didn't love them.

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    As PR for the 33, an east end gangster radiating underhanded violence and uncaring affirmation of the economic model of humanity, Charles has to either be a joke or a stark warning to all.

    Hey, the human family is a Mafia crime family. It's official. Get over it.

    Like hell I will.
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    Greetings to all.

    My first impression was, of course, some duality brought up by the okward situation happening there, which i easily droped once in my mind came the idea that Bill himself is interviewing people for quite a while now and he can judge characters and situations himself better than anyone for this purpose. So (judgements apart), if it is happening there, let it flow for whatever reasons all of us may find, because, seriously, any hinch of what it is will probably be speculation.

    About the content and the interview itself, like many people already stated here, i agree in this:
    much of the contents were mere "confirmation" of many things already discussed; but, along the way, specially after the second half of the interview, some important issues were covered, although not as deep as they shulod for the understandable reasons.
    Charles speech, for the cleverness he claims, seemed to me very misleading (and here i dont mean intentional misleading) and overlaping by his "dispensable" remarks which would just break the conversation apart and get Bill saying, wisely, "I hear what you are saying" (sometimes anoingly too much time until the next step in the conversation was taken). I am not judging characters here, but the conversation itself.


    About the big picture:
    I would start with Charles' story of the father and family in the river. It is a good analogy to put in perspective both sides of this struggle!
    I just see it as misleading: lets not forget that the son is in that situation BECAUSE of the father, who knew another way around the river and did not warn the son! More, the father now as a rope that he kept with himself for a long time, and he just doesnt think that taking the son out of the Sh** he got him into with this same rope is worth it!! So he leaves with the family and still holds his head high! I say i'd prefer to be a bastard than having a father like this.
    Charles' praticality is the cleverness without conscioussness, a human turned into robot, like i very well heard here before. That has been the kind of thinking that brought us to this situation in the first place. And this is just an opinion about a posture in life, not Charles's particular one.

    I would like to thank Bill and Charles for this interesting interaction and hope it develops further on.

    A special word for Bill: I thank you deeply for your continous effort and one more gift to us. Good job in directing the interview, even when your opinions would scream the opposite argument! And, may i remind you, keep your head high, even if you are interviewing the leader of the 33 or the intergalactic federation. Your true feelings for mankind and all that is good are the MOST HONORABLE THING!

    PEACE TO ALL.

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    i am amazed that ppl actually say that the 33 way of thinking is logical. Anyone remember what ICKE saying about problems? They create the problem (western way of life), reaction appears (overcumsuption - fears of overpopulation etc), solution (culling the herd). They are breaking the planet everyday more and more so the concept of "Broken Earth" is evident to all. Then they cull the herd as the more time passes it will be impossible to select a different approach.

    Thuder is saying that a father will let his 1 child to save the rest ... the problem is that these 33 are 1st throwing their children in the river themselves on purpose and then they are saving only the ones that they like (5% only) ... not the best/easiest to save. Bill said it very well they dont want the best they want the best "controlable" they can get.

    So if ppl still believe the most logical solution is the culling then i am sorry for you. The herder doesnt make his herd sick and slow so that he can kill most of us for being useless. A butcher does that.

    Fair fight Bill said. Where is the fairness? 1 side makes the rules/controls them 2 side from the day they are born they are being manipulated and controled to ignore the fight and they dont even realize it. And now they say well fight here is the fight rules. Its like going to fight a tank with a dagger. GL with this fair fight.

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    Quote Posted by ruisatriani (here)
    Your first paragraph reminded me of the Tibetan Book of the Dead ( which i dont know if you read, if not it is advisable) because they point out, at the moment of the Bardo (between death and the next rebirth) they talk about the real light appearing to us as well as the illusive light, which pulls us wrongly to another reincarnation, instead of the liberation. interesting.
    I don't know if you were responding to my post or not but thanks for reminding me about options during death and reincarnation.

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    I have never know anyone who breed dogs who didn't love them.
    No?

    In some cultures they are bread to be eaten.

    And "Dog" was an example. I could have said sheep, cattles, pigs, chicken, salmon, butterflyes.... Understand the point?

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    things go very deep...we have a false "death" program and we(our spirits) are tethered to our body imprint here ...we were never meant to die,we were meant to experience these realms.EMBODY more of our divinity and ascend out of this construct in more REFINED BODIES BY CONCIOUS CHOICE..the reason we die is that we have been interwoven in to a distorted hologram..when we die we get taken in to the astral planes.,experience FAlse LIGHT AND LOVE and then get fed back in to incarnation in to the distorted hologram trap because of the distorted hologram architecture of our bodies...we are basically food for those who have distorted the hologram...
    Your first paragraph reminded me of the Tibetan Book of the Dead ( which i dont know if you read, if not it is advisable) because they point out, at the moment of the Bardo (between death and the next rebirth) they talk about the real light appearing to us as well as the illusive light, which pulls us wrongly to another reincarnation, instead of the liberation. interesting.

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