THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

[norman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

They certainly do not have our "best interests at heart". They don't care at all about our "best interests".

It's like a group of deer in the forest who see the gamekeeper with his gun, as he takes aim at them, and say: "That crazy guy with the gun doesn't have our best interests at heart. Run!"

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

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But the gamekeeper isn't a Deer with a rifle taking out other deer it finds inconvenient.

Are you saying these 33 are NOT HUMAN?

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Watch the vid again. There Bill asked if They would listen in a meeting to new ideas. The reply was "You will have 20 seconds" (to give an impression of worthiness).

i experience it as a tipically faustian deal...assuming these individuals are human, it must be stressed that they are humans with the upper hand..so how can we enter a fair discussion?
their emissary (charles) was offering a dialogue based on the "fact" that the planet/humanity has a burning problem WITHOUT specifying that the movers and shakers are responsible for it, for the most part they are: by witholding free energy and such...means their proposition is a cynicism of the highest order..i think they already have succeeded to a degree by us discussing the issue as formulated this way...why not clarify the details surrounding the problem first and see whether chasing profit at an ever increasing rate may heve produced enviromental disasters and impoverishment of resources on CONDITION that us, human beings are neither named nor regarded a "human resource" - very offencive terminology strongly implying that we are dispensable i. e. depletable, renewable and manageable....let's clarify our status in their eyes first..


every other way, i am afraid, we'd be running straight into their hands, playing their game a zillionth time over... l

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[Celine]

Seeing is one thing.

Swallowing it is another.

it has been intense.. feeling everyone "digest" this

Thanlk you for the analogies Bill... keeps things clear.

Drive carefully

[bashi]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Hi there - online very briefly, for a few minutes only, at a service station on the Freeway.

I needed to clarify this, and I hope it's helpful.

They certainly do not have our "best interests at heart". They don't care at all about our "best interests".

It's like a group of deer in the forest who see the gamekeeper with his gun, as he takes aim at them, and say: "That crazy guy with the gun doesn't have our best interests at heart. Run!"

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

This analogy is very limited - I totally understand that. As I stated right up front at the start of the video, I believe there's another way. But we have to understand the game that's being played if we have any chance of influencing it.

This has been useful, because your post (and many others) shows me that I have not yet explained clearly enough one of the main revelations of the interview: how the 33 think, and why they're doing what they are doing.

They believe they are the guardians of the experiment (or the project) that is the human race. They are planning for an outcome that's two million years away in the future. They don't care at all what happens tomorrow or next week or next century, as long as the project is on track.

As Charles tried to explain, the 33 'ruling families' have a totally different concept of time. That's because they're a third of the way through a three million year project - and are in it for the long haul. Do they care about you and me? Of course not. Why would they? Their concern is the DNA - not the people.

Like Neo-Darwinist Richard Dawkins' controversial book The Selfish Gene, individual animals may just be the way that the DNA propagates itself. Like the chicken being just the way that the egg creates another egg.

Do you see.....?

This is an important post.

Bill, can the reason for the vid be understood as a call for assistance?

[LonR]

Hi Bill if you get the chance would it be possible for you just to clarify if you will be providing any evidence with regards the 'back story' of you meeting 'Charles'? And also any other evidence you have obtained regarding 'Charles' himself? A lot of members seem happy to run with you on this and obviously you yourself have bought into it big time. Well tbh if an enforcer from one of the most powerful families on the planet befriended me and told me I was in the loop maybe I would go along for the ride.

To be blunt for any type of change its going to takes the masses which unfortunately means a lot more people than currently follow you. However based on what I have seen and my mind is open and prepared for whatever the truth may be the lack of evidence is apparent. If your happy to proceed and make no attempt to show good journalistic whistle-blower credit checking then I am afraid this will go no further than the followers on here. More importantly than that credibility amongst others will be ruined.

You know I am prepared to listen as long as you can show evidence this guy is who he says and that the back story is true. Is that to much to ask?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by bashi (here)
Hi viking,
i also - like Luke - see this as a final call, just to cover all angles from Their side.

I know that there is a particular relationship between reality and consciousness. The point is: There is not a duality existing as perceived by many. They think they can project and materialize in this way, thus forgetting that matter is made out of consciousness within the matrix. This reality is creating itself for the realisation of the divine play, which means the realization of conscious experience in order to create consciousness. This includes EVERYTHING.
So there is a kind of two-way relationship between reality and consciousness: Both are acting together and are not independent from each other.
Consciousness creates the reality, which manifests in order to create experience which results in the growth of consciousness. We are acting in an environment like a sandman playing on a beach.

What does it mean translated into the current situation?
This contact has materialized in front of your eyes. The call for assistance has been made.
This reality gives now a vast array of choices: denial, refusal, negligence, acceptance or

CHALLENGE.

Your reaction and decision determines your future experience.
It boils down to CHOICE.

This call is now part of your reality and life.
Can you manage that?
Do you really believe that concentration onto a drop of water is the proper reaction to this kind of call?

Hi Bashi ...

I fully understand what you are saying about reality and consciousness and how it comes to be...in fact I was comtemplating on writing a book on this topic, but realized that we are running out of time...hey ho...

My consciousness was calling something other than the 'ones' that are running the planet at this moment in tiime...I have seen too much greed/control/selfishness/STS/killing/polluting/starving/war mongering...all orchestrated by them...the list is long...if you think for one minute that am going to get on this 'train' WRONG!! ...if this call is genuinly from them... HAVE THE COURAGE TO SHOW YOURSELVES...!

This is not my call Bashi ...might be yours but not mine...

I'll wait a little longer at the station...for the right 'train' to come along...thanks anyway...

Can I manage it...YEP!!!!!

viking

[notaphysicist]

Thanks Bill for the awesome work. Sounds like you've dodged a bullet and made a good friend out of a potential foe. Definitely pulling in some good stuff. I found his view of ethics fascinating. Very Crowley like, as in, "Do what thou wilt". I've always wondered if the notion of good and evil is native, or something foisted upon us as a control mechanism. Perhaps it just is what you believe it is.

As echoed by others, I'd love to hear more detail. Particularly regarding ET and the connection.

And TIME TRAVEL. Didn't hear anything about time travel. Seems to be a theme more and more in fiction lately and I'm wondering if Charles knows anything about that, and if there is an information lead-up to some real time travel technology becoming real for the rest of us.

[Rex]

Posted by norman (here)
But the gamekeeper isn't a Deer with a rifle taking out other deer it finds inconvenient.

Are you saying these 33 are NOT HUMAN?

I'm wondering the same thing. No one "normal" sets up, or for that matter, signs up for, a "3 million year" project. What's the incentive?

If the 33 and the 3 million year project are real, then time must be something they can ignore or easily workaround.

Tough to get a handle on.

[Ilie Pandia]

Assuming that what Charles is saying is true...

We are trying to understand the situation and coming up with a plan but the way we see/perceive the world may be totally incorrect or extremely distorted. We do not know what kind of technology those guys have, how they perceive time and space, what do they understand by sentient being or the value of life... The have a totally different point of view...

For example: lets assume they KNOW that the soul can not be destroyed and therefore they do not see such a big issue with destroying the body (this is just a wild assumption intended to make a point).

Another example... when I was a kid I did not like some of the decisions that my parents made in my name at all... but now looking back I see that in their view and with their knowledge they thought they had no other choice.

[MariaDine]

Like I said in page 24 of the QUESTIONS Thread........... «What do they want ? Our help ??? Well,...there's a twist I should have forseen...! »

.............The BIG PICTURE is always a good argument to throw on the table. But for now we are in the «waiting game».

[Banshee]

Hi Steven!

What I was trying to say is that perhaps we are a new life form, uknown elsewhere. Bill did say that this was about DNA. Perhaps our genome is of value and we're not. Although, one would think they could just use banked dna without having to actually preserve living humans. Maybe its as simple as all of that. We have royally screwed up this planet ( under the direction of the 33), they want to "ark" our dna and that's that. Perhaps the 33 and their bloodlines are only going to be spared if they succeed in either fixing the planet or selectively eliminating the peasants. They would appear to not want to give up their wordly goods, power and posessions, so the choice is to get rid of us? A 21st century Noah's ark, except this time, Noah's not a good guy? Lots of speculation on my behalf. Wish I knew.

[OneLittleFrog]

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

Does that 'good man' torment the deer for a millenia or two first, then light up a cigar and laugh at their comedic struggle as he slowly pulls the trigger?


Human Race Get Off Your Knees! - David Icke....I think maybe I'll order a copy of that today.

[Deega]

Posted by bashi (here)
Hi viking,

CHALLENGE.

Your reaction and decision determines your future experience.
It boils down to CHOICE.

This call is now part of your reality and life.
Can you manage that?
Do you really believe that concentration onto a drop of water is the proper reaction to this kind of call?

Thanks Bashi for your interesting post!

I wonder, what would be your "proper reaction"? Listening, submitting constructive comments, act in gentille ways...? We are at risk anyway..., and we know all that we will die sometimes, how may we build a better world for those that follow, our children, our grand-children.

IMHO, probably like us, the group of 33 doesn't know where they come from, they seem to know where they would like to go (we are not included, we are dispensable), they don't give a star on us anyway..., so what do you think members should do...?

All my blessings.

Deega

[Wood]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This has been useful, because your post (and many others) shows me that I have not yet explained clearly enough one of the main revelations of the interview: how the 33 think, and why they're doing what they are doing.

They believe they are the guardians of the experiment (or the project) that is the human race. They are planning for an outcome that's two million years away in the future. They don't care at all what happens tomorrow or next week or next century, as long as the project is on track.

As Charles tried to explain, the 33 'ruling families' have a totally different concept of time. That's because they're a third of the way through a three million year project - and are in it for the long haul. Do they care about you and me? Of course not. Why would they? Their concern is the DNA - not the people.

Like Neo-Darwinist Richard Dawkins' controversial book The Selfish Gene, individual animals may just be the way that the DNA propagates itself. Like the chicken being just the way that the egg creates another egg.

It would be nice then to know what is the goal for that 3 million year project. In case it is just to breed a race of supersoldiers able to think and fight and to take orders... well, what do they want? To take over the universe?
It sounds like the nazi plans for the ubermensch. It actually makes sense that Charles' first steps were football hooligan and member of a fascist organisation. Since nazis were defeated this suggests me that there are other powerful groups with different agendas actively operating here.

It is very interesting to know about the length of the experiment. This means they claim to be here since the first intelligent hominids appeared. This suggests they are not human (mixed blood with ETs that started the project). Do they claim the ETs given them the control over the experiment or just one task, leaving here other independent groups charged with other missions? I think it is more likely the latter is the truth (see this thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...wn-of-the-Gods).

It also suggests they are behind 'the great flood' and the extinction of the neanderthals (apparently some DNA was allowed to survive mixed with ours). A cyclical process of extinction (or great stress) preserving the best specimens make sense to optimise DNA. In fact it is used in Simulated Genetic Algorithms in Computer Science, and it is also the idea behind the process of annealing to forge better pieces of metal.

But then, it seems to me they were not expecting to find spirits in the creatures they were working with (humans). This 'problem' is probably attracting towards us a kind of attention they do not welcome, and they might have plans in place to cut our connection to God.

Anyway, to be able to contribute with ideas we'd need to know what is their long term goal, and to know about other groups around.

[Wood]

Posted by Banshee (here)
Bill did say that this was about DNA. Perhaps our genome is of value and we're not. Although, one would think they could just use banked dna without having to actually preserve living humans. Maybe its as simple as all of that.

My understanding is that DNA is like a piece of software and that needs the appropriate computer to be interpreted (a living cell). That is, software for a Mac won't run on a Linux machine. They need living humans (or at least mother cells) unless they have some kind of tech to rebuild them as well.

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Posted by Deega (here)
I wonder, what would be your "proper reaction"? Listening, submitting constructive comments, act in gentille ways...?

We are not reacting that bad, otherwise Bill wouldn't be posting new bits of information.

[3optic]

Posted by OneLittleFrog (here)
Does that 'good man' torment the deer for a millenia or two first, then light up a cigar and laugh at their comedic struggle as he slowly pulls the trigger?


Human Race Get Off Your Knees! - David Icke....I think maybe I'll order a copy of that today.

Dualistic modes of thought, while useful for basic functions are inadequate for understanding the "big picture". It doesn't serve you to polarize every situation. It's actually part of your programing and it feeds the very thing your railing against. Hence we get the Revolution, counter revolution scenario. "Meet the new boss same as the old Boss" effectively illustrated in this clip from Bananas:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dkYfmRwryQo

The object of the game is to see which is a major tenant for Sun Tzu's Art of War. See without the clouds of judgement. It's not because we're trying to be nice guys. It's for strategic purposes as well.

[bilko]

Bill, i understand your analogy and its a good one. But, isn't Human DNA useless without a soul?
As for the Earth, Gaia, as i understood it she was never in any real danger from us, especially if nuclear war is off the table.
She can heal and all that we have manufactured will return to her eventually because she has all the time in world.

Unless other earth dies because of us. I am almost completely on board with earth having a soul too.
Now we are getting into supposition.
Come on PTB, unlock the vaults.
Let us know our history so we have true freedom of choice. Then, you can be sure that any that incarnate here again are on board voluntarily.

[Zook]

Hi Bash!

Posted by bashi (here)
Watch the vid again. There Bill asked if They would listen in a meeting to new ideas. The reply was "You will have 20 seconds" (to give an impression of worthiness).

Question begs ... can they afford 20 seconds?

I mean, masters that they are of the fractional reserve, what if they only possess 2 seconds in their time vault and are lending us ten times that in fiat time? Tick. Tock.

Just a thought.

[Carmody]

Posted by deadfoot (here)
I'm wondering the same thing. No one "normal" sets up, or for that matter, signs up for, a "3 million year" project. What's the incentive?

If the 33 and the 3 million year project are real, then time must be something they can ignore or easily workaround.

Tough to get a handle on.

If these people were outside of being human, they would very likely not be integrating at all.

If they were of a power base that was desiring to share-- they would not be communicating or acting the way they are.

If they could manipulate time, then they would not be integrating or acting the way they are.

One of their best kept secrets is the willful act of keeping others in ignorance of their existence, actions and intentions. This is practically page 1, chapter 1 of Sun Tzu's 'Art of war'. It is the larger source of their power. They guard it jealously, powerfully, willfully and directly.

under the presumption that Dolores Cannon AND Michael Newton are both not 'plants' added into society to deceive us, then, under that 'point', the 33 bloodlines emerge as being problematic for man, in a way that is very 'ego' like. Ie, the heartless aspect acting out as being heartfelt, in their own view.

If they have bred within themselves, as a group, for milennia, then they end up with an inbreeding situation much like the current 'wandering Jew' syndrome that exists to day. Those Jewish people who wanted nothing to do with the current zionist and centralist pattern of thinking..they opted out and became simple citizens of the given country they were in. I know this as about 4 or 5 people I know did exactly that, including some of my ancestors.

Over time, through about 1700+ years of this wandering and culling of the herd, where those with open attitudes leave and those with closed attitudes remain..they ended up with a situation where the most centralist and animalistic 'fear of outsider-protect the herd' base emotional genetic disposition remained and reinforced this in the succeeding generations. This is classically known as inbreeding. This meant, that in the end, the zionist system in place is one of if not the the strongest remaining influences of specific note and weight, and thus the tenants of zionism has shaped the genetic influences within those who remained in the Jewish system of religion and living.

These supposed 33 bloodlines are likely suffering from the same inbreeding effects and are suffering maladies and mental structural considerations that the rest of the world does not understand or know.

One part of that seems to be the specific aspect of a wiring designed around a lower level of empathy. This seems a bit self-obvious but it is best to say it outright. We are actually talking about genetic stilting, in a detrimental fashion, not one of advantage, but detriment. The dead end of the loss of ethics - in guarding the collective.

In a situation where empathy and it's emotional responses are off the table, there is an initial appearance of intellect coming through clearer, cleaner, with less impediment. Smart people do this when they wish their logic to be clear and capable. They take empathy and emotional responses out of the equation and see where the cool logic takes them. However,the wiser among them remember to include it when analyzing the aspect of what to do with the logical end they have reached. The problem of removing the empathetic response, is that in the end, it does not serve the collective, it serves a minor subset. Ie, the 33 bloodlines as nothing more than a grouping of a semi-hidden even religiously oriented tribalism tied to inbreeding and genetic controls.

However, if the ego still exists, even in a stunted form in such individuals, this does not make the being less immune to the egoic system of bodily control, ie tied to the unconscious aspects of living.

If the works of Micheal Newton are true..then this means that in such a system, the most difficult and problematic souls would be assigned those bodies and lives. Where they get to live out contrast so they can be given an opportunity to do things correctly.

If they individually fail in those given and elected tasks..then the are likely going to find themselves with most of what they are today...erased from existence. This, when their lives end. Newton's hypnosis of all his different individuals and those regressions of all those other practitioners is clear enough on that aspect..if you read the works well enough. essentially, people are not punished for killing and to be 'possessed by the demons of the body's conflicts and responses'..this is considered to be the part of the situation to be overcome by the given individual. Many chances are given. So it appears to be a totally open ended system/game/experiment/school. HOWEVER, in the end, it is not. There is a wall.

They have been told the 'game' has no walls, and no limits. Well, that might be true until one finds a limit by encountering it. The way to have an experiment be 'free' from influence it in this sort of case, is to tell or illustrate to the experimentees (subjects)...that there is no limit ---and run it that way. UNTIL they (this subset of the subjects) bump into a wall.... and the rules change, subtly, for those who have just bumped into the given wall.

In the way that man is here to eventually dump the ego and it's associated conflicts thus the overall group of man is here to dump the egoic imperative of such hidden control group. A group hidden as much the same way as the ego is hidden from the individual awareness. Ie, both are there in plain sight.. but hug your being so tight that ...you see neither.

That aspect has been the curse of man so far, that it seems the 'game' runners are trying to slowly eliminate. As above, so below. In the individual this genetic wiring plays out in the emphasis of specific kinds of imperative and drive.... tied to the more dastardly aspects of ego. As the grouping of the human race as a single entity can be witnessed, this is like a sort of egoic imperative that is ruining and controlling mankind, overall.

IF this group is involved with Aliens, ie not specifically humans of this particular grouping (ie, you and me)..then that contact my actually have a purpose that encompasses keeping tabs on the overall societal ruling 'ego' aspects. I'm sure this crosses the mind of these 'bloodline' members all the time, if indeed they are contacting and/or connected to aliens.

In short, this animialsm toward others outside of their group is indicative of intense and dangerous tribalism, which is wholly indicative of shortsighted thinking. And like the ego on the verge of being tamed in the given individual, that is the point where it, and in this case they, are at their most dangerous.

In the body ...the ego gets to stay, and keeps on trying to take it's position back, as the wiring takes time to overcome. Also that integration with others requires that ego be used to some extent. The ego is tamed nonetheless, but the time, the living through the period of the ego taming... can be quite dangerous and difficult.

And like the ego, these people would get to stay, but they cannot run it (ship, show, or individual) anymore. Like the ego, their time of ending has finally come. And like the ego's selfishness, they plot the end of all, in their desires. Anything other than relinquish that control.

[3optic]

Posted by zookumar (here)
Hi Bash!



Question begs ... can they afford 20 seconds?

I mean, masters that they are of the fractional reserve, what if they only possess 2 seconds in their time vault and are lending us ten times that in fiat time? Tick. Tock.

Just a thought.

I hope you've factored in that they're 1/3 of the way through a multi million year project taking a 100,000 year meeting and they're not taking calls.