Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Bill, if you interview Shane, it could be very useful to ask what suggestions Shane may have, for individuals or groups, to best navigate what lies ahead.

There is so much discussion of doom and gloom from other sources. Potential solutions are what we need to hear about.

Using group intent and the Avalon crystal grid to help us navigate might be an interesting and useful topic.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Awakening2014 (here)
I was hesitant to bring some of this up, because one of the last people to really question AJ was banned, and I really enjoy this community. But que sera sera, right?

Some, including myself, but not all, of the moderators of this forum question Alex Jones. I hope that's not the reason that the person you speak of was banned .

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Awakening2014 (here)
I was hesitant to bring some of this up, because one of the last people to really question AJ was banned, and I really enjoy this community.

Never be afraid to question! That's how we all learn.

It's not WHETHER we question, but HOW we question that counts... as on this thread. As I wrote yesterday, members here have done a great job conducting themselves with intelligence, courtesy and sincerity, whatever their views. That counts for more than anything.

[Awakening2014]

Posted by MrNobody410 (here)

I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.

I have to respectfully disagree. None of us would be here if doubts weren't constructive. That is how we became awake. We doubted the intentions of our government. We doubted what we were being told was truthful. That's what I love about this community. None of us have all the answers, so it is so nice to be able have discussions and bounce ideas off peers. I apologize if anyone was offended at my post or perceived disrespect. I just want to emphasize the importance of questioning and investigating. It may not be popular, but neither is the alternative community.

[Sean]

Posted by MrNobody410 (here)
Shane,

I want to thank you for your honesty, openness and generosity. I have no doubt of your intentions and am pleased to discover someone new with your strength of character. I would like to hear more. Kerry, thankyou for your time and effort.

I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.

I couldn't disagree more.

We're not lemmings here. If Shane, or anyone, comes forward with such information, thinking people not only have a right, but a responsibility to question it, especially when it was presented in such a manner.

I contrast Shane's interview with Svali's interview posted by Bill in this thread. Svali seems personally affected by what she's witnessed, and gives much detail. She also seems quite sincere. Now..Shane isn't Svali..but they're speaking about the same core subject. I heard in Svali what I was looking for, but didn't get, with Shane. So, it makes sense for me and for others to be skeptical.

I said I'd withhold judgment until I get a listen to Bill's interview with Shane, and I will. In retrospect, much of what I had a problem with could be due to Kerry's questioning style and(frankly) lack of preparedness. So, I'll wait.

But there's a reason why I walked away from Svali's interview with my world paradigm completely changed, and why I walked away from Shane's interview wanting to post what I posted earlier in the thread.

I've said many times, the following: "the smartest people in any room I've ever been in, were the ones who listened more than they spoke".

I'll follow my own advice on this, right now.

Edit: a link to an archive of Svali's writings..
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...i_svali01a.htm

[Delight]

Posted by Awakening2014 (here)

Posted by MrNobody410 (here)

I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.

I have to respectfully disagree. None of us would be here if doubts weren't constructive. That is how we became awake. We doubted the intentions of our government. We doubted what we were being told was truthful. That's what I love about this community. None of us have all the answers, so it is so nice to be able have discussions and bounce ideas off peers. I apologize if anyone was offended at my post or perceived disrespect. I just want to emphasize the importance of questioning and investigating. It may not be popular, but neither is the alternative community.

This is a forum, about words, pictures, ideas and So, I do question based on my interest in ideas. It is not about doubt exactly but compare/contrast with other information, with my inner feeling and with my experience.

I appreciate that Bill Ryan supported the how of questioning being the point in the thread and at PA. We know from the C.G affair that sometimes skepticism is fully warranted and might be very wise for the one refusing to be taken on board a train of nonsense.

Unlike some, I have no personal relationship with the Ruiner writer, Shane. So personally I have no loyalty one way or another. I feel appreciative to him but also believe I was in an equal exchange to him because IMO he gets something out of writing, something out of his connections and it is energy that he receives that repays his own energy.

He says he is not concerned about an audience and on that point, I am curious as to why he keeps saying that? That seems incongruous. As energy is expressed in form we have experience of relationship. This is the main issue of the audience (perceiver of art) and the performer(artist), the citizen in the community and the community itself. Without relationship, what is observed?

IMO this is because ALL there is is energy. It translates into form via our own creative building. Energy given is returned. The oscillation builds form and structure. The hologram is created by the beams intersecting.This seems TRUE to me. THAT is what I am concerned about...what are we collectively building because this (though it be illusion) has purpose.

The thread here diverged from the particular interview because the quality of the interview invited the response. This opened up to being about discernment, communication and somewhat deeper IMO about conversion and deconversion to ideas based on belief in "loyalty" to my friend and "our community".

IMO, I think there may be at this time, evidence of war concerning paradigms and ideas in my reality. Some are invested in "If you are not with us you're against us". The following is from the US Government and I broadened the context in my reading it to include the alternative community.

WARS OF IDEAS AND THE WAR OF IDEAS
Antulio J. Echevarria II
June 2008

I noticed that various members were expressing concern that some (probably me also) caused them cringing sensations because we were (not sure what...impolitic in the community?) Shane and Kerry as members deserve support is the gist I see?

But it is not just THIS community.
As an example if we were in a Republican or Democrat "community"?
What if we were in a business "community"?

There has not been in the past much room for those who question the prevailing community bias.
So IMO, we are "here' at the 21st century to look at our own blocks to the discovery of new information.

Should we perhaps begin learning how to challenge one another's mental landscape without it seeming like a threat? In the fundamentlaism of religious community, one cannot be in it without being a "convert" with particular agreements to behavior conforming. The doubts people have cause trouble. Doubters must leave. So the doubters keep drifting and then "finally" in the old paradigm settle in to a system and stop doubting because being adrift is very uncomfortable and friends are not to be found apparently unless with others equally dubious (hehe).

Here we see "The Leavers: Young Doubters Exit the Church
More than in previous generations, 20- and 30- somethings are abandoning the faith. Why?"

Another unsettling pattern emerged during my interviews. Almost to a person, the leavers with whom I spoke recalled that, before leaving the faith, they were regularly shut down when they expressed doubts. Some were ridiculed in front of peers for asking "insolent questions." Others reported receiving trite answers to vexing questions and being scolded for not accepting them. One was slapped across the face, literally.

At the 2008 American Sociological Association meeting, scholars from the University of Connecticut and Oregon State University reported that "the most frequently mentioned role of Christians in de-conversion was in amplifying existing doubt." De-converts reported "sharing their burgeoning doubts with a Christian friend or family member only to receive trite, unhelpful answers."

One thing that people love about the fundamentalist church experience is the way people look out for one another. The good ole boys definitely take up for one another.

Is PA an alternative, conspiratual, anti-establishment, con-illuminati faith?
Is the "good ole boy" networking impetus just changing style, location and membership?

IMO, there is actually good evidence to me that THIS is what PA is learning about....a new paradigm of how to be in a community that knows that using the full capacity to reason and questioning MUST coexist with being able to be in relationship for us to expand as humanity.

[Awakening2014]

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by Awakening2014 (here)

Posted by MrNobody410 (here)

I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.

I have to respectfully disagree. None of us would be here if doubts weren't constructive. That is how we became awake. We doubted the intentions of our government. We doubted what we were being told was truthful. That's what I love about this community. None of us have all the answers, so it is so nice to be able have discussions and bounce ideas off peers. I apologize if anyone was offended at my post or perceived disrespect. I just want to emphasize the importance of questioning and investigating. It may not be popular, but neither is the alternative community.

This is a forum, about words, pictures, ideas and So, I do question based on my interest in ideas. It is not about doubt exactly but compare/contrast with other information, with my inner feeling and with my experience.

I appreciate that Bill Ryan supported the how of questioning being the point in the thread and at PA. We know from the C.G affair that sometimes skepticism is fully warranted and might be very wise for the one refusing to be taken on board a train of nonsense.

Unlike some, I have no personal relationship with the Ruiner writer, Shane. So personally I have no loyalty one way or another. I feel appreciative to him but also believe I was in an equal exchange to him because IMO he gets something out of writing, something out of his connections and it is energy that he receives that repays his own energy.

He says he is not concerned about an audience and on that point, I am curious as to why he keeps saying that? That seems incongruous. As energy is expressed in form we have experience of relationship. This is the main issue of the audience (perceiver of art) and the performer(artist), the citizen in the community and the community itself. Without relationship, what is observed?

IMO this is because ALL there is is energy. It translates into form via our own creative building. Energy given is returned. The oscillation builds form and structure. The hologram is created by the beams intersecting.This seems TRUE to me. THAT is what I am concerned about...what are we collectively building because this (though it be illusion) has purpose.

The thread here diverged from the particular interview because the quality of the interview invited the response. This opened up to being about discernment, communication and somewhat deeper IMO about conversion and deconversion to ideas based on belief in "loyalty" to my friend and "our community".

IMO, I think there may be at this time, evidence of war concerning paradigms and ideas in my reality. Some are invested in "If you are not with us you're against us". The following is from the US Government and I broadened the context in my reading it to include the alternative community.

WARS OF IDEAS AND THE WAR OF IDEAS
Antulio J. Echevarria II
June 2008

I noticed that various members were expressing concern that some (probably me also) caused them cringing sensations because we were (not sure what...impolitic in the community?) Shane and Kerry as members deserve support is the gist I see?

But it is not just THIS community.
As an example if we were in a Republican or Democrat "community"?
What if we were in a business "community"?

There has not been in the past much room for those who question the prevailing community bias.
So IMO, we are "here' at the 21st century to look at our own blocks to the discovery of new information.

Should we perhaps begin learning how to challenge one another's mental landscape without it seeming like a threat? In the fundamentlaism of religious community, one cannot be in it without being a "convert" with particular agreements to behavior conforming. The doubts people have cause trouble. Doubters must leave. So the doubters keep drifting and then "finally" in the old paradigm settle in to a system and stop doubting because being adrift is very uncomfortable and friends are not to be found apparently unless with others equally dubious (hehe).

Here we see "The Leavers: Young Doubters Exit the Church
More than in previous generations, 20- and 30- somethings are abandoning the faith. Why?"

Another unsettling pattern emerged during my interviews. Almost to a person, the leavers with whom I spoke recalled that, before leaving the faith, they were regularly shut down when they expressed doubts. Some were ridiculed in front of peers for asking "insolent questions." Others reported receiving trite answers to vexing questions and being scolded for not accepting them. One was slapped across the face, literally.

At the 2008 American Sociological Association meeting, scholars from the University of Connecticut and Oregon State University reported that "the most frequently mentioned role of Christians in de-conversion was in amplifying existing doubt." De-converts reported "sharing their burgeoning doubts with a Christian friend or family member only to receive trite, unhelpful answers."

One thing that people love about the fundamentalist church experience is the way people look out for one another. The good ole boys definitely take up for one another.

Is PA an alternative, conspiratual, anti-establishment, con-illuminati faith?
Is the "good ole boy" networking impetus just changing style, location and membership?

IMO, there is actually good evidence to me that THIS is what PA is learning about....a new paradigm of how to be in a community that knows that using the full capacity to reason and questioning MUST coexist with being able to be in relationship for us to expand as humanity.

Wonderfully stated👏🏼 I couldn't agree more.

[Old Wolf]

Posted by workingactor (here)
I couldn't disagree more.

No problem.

My comment wasn't a personal attack, please don't take it personally.

I don't want to convince you of my opinion nor do I want you to try to convince me of yours. I'm happy to use my own discernment to decide for myself, as you have decided how you're going to decide for yourself. I think it's great, everyone should decide for themselves without manipulation or fear.

Kindly

[Sean]

Posted by MrNobody410 (here)

Posted by workingactor (here)
I couldn't disagree more.

No problem.

My comment wasn't a personal attack, please don't take it personally.

I don't want to convince you of my opinion nor do I want you to try to convince me of yours. I'm happy to use my own discernment to decide for myself, as you have decided how you're going to decide for yourself. I think it's great, everyone should decide for themselves without manipulation or fear.

Kindly

I didn't take ir personally. Just stating my opinion as one of the "doubters".

[WhiteLove]

I just watched the "Ruiner" interview, I did not find this trustworthy, there was too little excitement, passion and focus coming from "The Ruiner" to be authentic. Obviously if you have gone through something like this, your authenticity is shining through like crazy, you are pointing out stuff you know very few know and you have deciphered the implications and you point out the insights that have resulted in. More importantly you point out what you now know is false and you put that into context so that your message is sent with a clear and positive intent behind it. You also tell stuff you are not asked about and you have a more active role in the interview because the message is critical. In other words, it should be quite obvious the message is to "enlighten" and in this case it is not.

Here is an example of authenticity to put it into contrast:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YJjhIzfyt8o

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jv--ZPTtVEI

[Kristin]

Well, I for one am looking forward to the new interview. One point that was brought up was Kerry's interviewing style, I often wished to hear her ask more specific questions during her time with Shane. However, I found that the interview was a great introduction and showed a nice contrast at times even with Shane expressing his unique brand of humor. Looking forward to hearing more to ponder.

The blog is unique and covers many subjects. One of the things that I appreciated in the interview was that he was not afraid to suggest and even openly state that he could be wrong about a few things and also that it is important for people to have the freedom to believe what they want to believe with a caution with respect to discernment. I'm glad to see that is well and alive on Avalon and supported.

We have three differing formats of expression here to ponder: A written blog, an interview, and an internet forum. All three are unique in the way we can interact with the subjects that are presented for us and each have their blind spots that are easy to fall into. Overall, I'm proud of how all three of these formats have been presented and are an open topic for discussion.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Calz]

Interesting thread.

I have not posted in this one cuz ... well ... I haven't had time to listen to the interview yet (and keeping up with this thread hasn't made it any easier ).

I will give you a very short history then cross post something I posted earlier on the Ruiner thread.

People are talking this and that about BS, lies, trust, proof, motives, lack of emotion and so on.

... all good in airing your critical thoughts while keeping it contained in a respectful context.


I am not one who goes way back with Shane.


Started following the blog "topic" prior to it coming here ... found it interesting ... in time found it even more so.


How can someone trust anyone coming out on the net these days bringing up topics that are totally off the chart???


No ... you cannot.


What happened with me is that a funny thing happened ... more and more, then even more people that I had come to trust over time were coming out in support of this guy ... so I paid ever closer attention.

One last thing before linking what I posted in another thread ... I have learned (painfully) to *not* trust *anyone* completely ... but through personal communication, mutual friends and what resonates on a personal basis ... I have found it quite compelling to pay very close attention to what he is saying.

To those with so much doubt (justifiable or not) ... have you even read his blog directly or what has been posted here before??? Just curious.

Start from the beginning:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lluminati-Mind

Shane,

You have changed my life for the better.

So many years of frustrated searches for answers met with seemingly never endless levels of lies.

You have made sense to me ... you feel "real" despite plunging into levels of the rabbit hole many of us didn't even know existed.

You offer "hope" ... hope to a world that looks at the 3D illusion and feels little.

You have laid out the breadcrumbs that humanity itself must follow ... no heroes ... no saviours.

What a blessing to have crossed your path.

Thank you!


Cal

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post988871

[Awakening2014]

I read TheRuiner blog AND all of the comments! Lol! I even checked daily for updates until he finally closed up shop. I was disbelieving at first, then after so many members vouched for him, I figured he must be the real deal. I started to ignore or move past things that didn't seem quite right or plausible. Probably because I REALLY wanted it to be true. It can be difficult navigating this corrupt world. At every turn, it seems there are lies and manipulation. But for what true reason and to what end? I wanted it to be real because I wanted to know the truth, to have some understanding of the world. Shane's story did that for me for a while. Then I realized what I was actually doing and to me the story doesn't pass the smell test. This is no disrespect to those who do believe or to Shane. I think we all need to find our own truths on our own journeys. There are so many groups vying for our energy and time. Trying to create separation among groups. Constant conflict. Every one pick a side! That is how they dominate us. We should all be able to speak our minds and respect others right to speak theirs. They don't need to always align with one another, but we do need to stand with one another. We cannot let them win.

[Calz]

Cannot speak for others ... but I expect what Shane is suggesting is we "pick" Gaia.

That makes sense to me.

Look at the divide and conquer memes going on worldwide.

Pick a side??? ... of what ... several thousand???


Shane has been consistent in his message that everyone (Progenitors, Parents ... all) have Gaia first and foremost. The Wave is for "Her".


In terms of choices we as humanity have ... that sure seems like wise advice to me ...

[Awakening2014]

Posted by Calz (here)

Pick a side??? ... of what ... several thousand???
...

My apologies. My sentiment was not very clear. I wasn't telling people to pick a side. I meant that is what tptb are constantly trying to get us to do. Race, gender, sexuality, you name it. It all just works to keep everyone at odds and distracted. My intention was unity in my statement above. I see that it could have been written more clearly

[Realeyes]

Posted by Calz (here)
Cannot speak for others ... but I expect what Shane is suggesting is we "pick" Gaia.

That makes sense to me.

Look at the divide and conquer memes going on worldwide.

Pick a side??? ... of what ... several thousand???


Shane has been consistent in his message that everyone (Progenitors, Parents ... all) have Gaia first and foremost. The Wave is for "Her".


In terms of choices we as humanity have ... that sure seems like wise advice to me ...

I would just like to add (from my perspective) following on from what Calz has rightly said......

It is about each one of us deciding to reconnect to our own soul knowingness, re-remembering who we truly BE/IS - beyond this temporary body vehicle. It is through this deeper spiritual reconnection of our own inner soul knowingness where we ‘can choose’ to engage in a deeper soul reunion with 'Her', learning some of her long wisdoms of Creation.

This is not about "'Earth worship." We always have choices, one of which is engaging with the planet's own soul nature and wisdoms who provided the shores for our feet to walk upon many times...... In such times as these, it is a good idea.

We are and All-ways will be free spirits to venture wherever our imagination and will is.

Right now I am here on Earth, at a Time that is bigger than just my little bubble; I love 'Her' as do so many others. I will dance with 'Her' in whichever way is needed to assist in this Change for the betterment of all.

[Shane]

Posted by Awakening2014 (here)
I meant that is what tptb are constantly trying to get us to do. Race, gender, sexuality, you name it. It all just works to keep everyone at odds and distracted. My intention was unity in my statement above.

You're very right and my intention is the same.

Our differences exist, I acknowledge that fully. Yet there is always common ground. That is where we should stand, together and work, together, to move forward.. Hopefully together. So thank you for this!

With love and respect,



Also..

Bill: Thank you for clarifying my reason for joining the forum.


Regarding the comments on my emotional response:

Some say it proves I'm lying, others say it proves I am telling the truth. Interesting to compare these responses while knowing the truth within myself. Controlling myself (thoughts and feelings) is something I spend a great deal of energy and time on. If I did not react emotionally to this discussion, I am actually proud of that. So thank you for pointing this out for me.

I honestly do not want your energy (ask some people who tell me they are going to "send" me energy, how I respond to that) and I'm not working for anyone. No one is here (in regards to my blog or writing/speaking) to take your energy deliberately. Although I cannot speak for anyone who interviews me and what their agendas may be in that regard - I highly doubt this is Kerry's intention either.

I can generate enough for myself that I can literally go days without sleeping or eating. No not because of the blog or this interview lol

YOU are responsible for how you direct your energy. I cannot accept responsibility for what you do with your energy, sorry.

[WhiteLove]

Posted by Shane (here)
Some say it proves I'm lying, others say it proves I am telling the truth. Interesting to compare these responses while knowing the truth within myself. Controlling myself (thoughts and feelings) is something I spend a great deal of energy and time on. If I did not react emotionally to this discussion, I am actually proud of that. So thank you for pointing this out for me.

Hi Shane! You and Corey Goode have one thing in common: You make wild claims pertaining to this reality and have absolutely no proof to back it up. I don't say this to attack you, I say it as a reminder to both you and everyone else, it's a highly important fact in your story - and in combination with you being anonymous it all works against you. Now that does not have to mean you lie, it just means you have a mountain to climb and what's necessary to reach to the top is pending at this point.

[Shannon]

Posted by Shane (here)

Posted by Awakening2014 (here)
I meant that is what tptb are constantly trying to get us to do. Race, gender, sexuality, you name it. It all just works to keep everyone at odds and distracted. My intention was unity in my statement above.

You're very right and my intention is the same.

Our differences exist, I acknowledge that fully. Yet there is always common ground. That is where we should stand, together and work, together, to move forward.. Hopefully together. So thank you for this!

With love and respect,



Also..

Bill: Thank you for clarifying my reason for joining the forum.


Regarding the comments on my emotional response:

Some say it proves I'm lying, others say it proves I am telling the truth. Interesting to compare these responses while knowing the truth within myself. Controlling myself (thoughts and feelings) is something I spend a great deal of energy and time on. If I did not react emotionally to this discussion, I am actually proud of that. So thank you for pointing this out for me.

I honestly do not want your energy (ask some people who tell me they are going to "send" me energy, how I respond to that) and I'm not working for anyone. No one is here (in regards to my blog or writing/speaking) to take your energy deliberately. Although I cannot speak for anyone who interviews me and what their agendas may be in that regard - I highly doubt this is Kerry's intention either.

I can generate enough for myself that I can literally go days without sleeping or eating. No not because of the blog or this interview lol

YOU are responsible for how you direct your energy. I cannot accept responsibility for what you do with your energy, sorry.

No more energy for you! Signed, The Energy Nazi


I keed, I keed.

Hey man, you don't know me and I don't know you, besides from what you've put out before us...but from reading this thread I can see you have a great deal of support and people call you a friend, say you are genuine, and are honest. That goes a long way for me. I did not say, 'I don't believe you' to be demeaning or negative in any way. I think most of the people who feel the same aren't intending to make it personal. It's just the nature of being fooled so many times before.

You're ability to remain cool calm and collective in the face of such scrutiny (which I think is mostly respectable and polite), is commendable, and I look forward for your interview with mr Ryan.

[Shane]

Posted by WhiteLove (here)

Hi Shane! You and Corey Goode have one thing in common: You make wild claims pertaining to this reality and have absolutely no proof to back it up. I don't say this to attack you, I say it as a reminder to both you and everyone else, it's a highly important fact in your story - and in combination with you being anonymous it all works against you. Now that does not have to mean you lie, it just means you have a mountain to climb and what's necessary to reach to the top is pending at this point.

Thank you WhiteLove (like that name btw) I am well aware of that. My own intention was not to bring this information to the public, as is detailed in my blog. Regardless, I know it cannot be verified, which is exactly why I write "fiction".