For or Against accepting refugees from Syria??

[Malgorzata]

I am posting this as I have seen a tremendous amount of hate and bigotry among Polish people (I am from Poland) concerning the taking in of the Syrian refugees. People there are scared of Islamization, violence and destruction that might come from that. I was shocked to see that almost 90% of population is against taking them in. To be honest, as I told in one of the Polish forums, I am more afraid for the Syrians´ safety in Poland now, than for Polish people being ¨invaded by the destructive Muslims¨.

Now, my own personal opinion is that notwithstanding what might happens, we SHOULD accept them whenever our country´s economic situation allows it, as our primary human responsbility towards another human being is to help. No matter what. We will deal with the consequences later, if any. Now all I see is people in dire need of help. It doesnt matter to me they are Muslims. We cant be driven by fear, which, as we know, is mostly programmed in us by media.

What do YOU think? I respect Avalon Community so I am curious to see what your opinions are.

[Lasuh]

I think any country that is capable of helping refugees should accept them, but I also think that people should stop running and stand together and face the enemy of mankind, our only weakness that we do not have enough courage to stay united against the negative force.

[Pilgrim]

Majority of so called refugees are not really war refugees. They are mostly economical migrants who seek for advantages of social system and benefits in EU countries. There is a clear legislation in EU which they can use very simply when applying for a status of war refugees. They would be granted then via official channels. However, those people (not only Syrians, there are much more many nationalities present among those crowds) are forcing themselves to enter EU countries violating many different laws without any recognition or respect to domestic legal system, situation, people or countries. They simply don´t care of those. They stream to most generous social system countries - Germany, Sweden, Denmark, UK and Finland. Nevertheless, they already crossed many countries where the situation is peaceful, normal, stable or without any violent environment. Where they could stay and seek for status of war refugees. They would be accommodated there the without any problems. Although, they don't...

I am in opinion that the whole situation is not normal neither natural. It is sophistically planned and orchestrated event with logistics, finances and goals behind. This is the event to destabilize Europe, divide EU countries among themselves, weaken EU economically, deepen social problems in respective countries and more or mainly to change legislation in EU to get less democracy for their citizens at the end (problem-solution trick). When you have a look at recent months there is still such a passivity and empty talks among EU representations and EC without real actions which make one quite wonder what is really going on.

No surprise Visegrad countries are reluctant to obey dictated measures from Brussels, Germany and France. I do understand why is that.

Further on, there are many groups which benefit on situation of migrants robbing them of large sums of money when smuggling them in EU. However, without permission superpowers or PTB that would not occur in this way. The whole situation is quite weird. However, when you look at larger picture and filling dots you would find why is that.

Frankly, I have my concerns regarding the future of EU too. Mass media propaganda which is on-going currently everywhere reminds me communistic propaganda in old socialistic times. I ma not really joking. That is the fact. Who expresses his/her concerns or opinion is labelled immediately as chauvinist, xenophobes, islamophobs and I don't know which other phobias they would find against normal people reasoning, using intelligence, common sense and instinct.

Talking about real war refugees, yes, they deserve help, safety of EU and social support. Those who are eligible they should be welcome as those they do. However, there is much more behind that story.

For instance - rich Gulf Countries - close culturally due to religion don´t accept them - why is that?

IMHO there is nefarious motive behind whole thing to export violence, cultural conflicts, state terrorism in order to destabilize Europe. Regarding poor people - PTB abuse their situation to conduct
that.

[Malgorzata]

Posted by Pilgrim (here)
I am in opinion that the whole situation is not normal neither natural. It is sophistically planned and orchestrated event with logistics, finances and goals behind.

Who is it planned by? I mean, there are false flag operations regarding Islam being en enemy. Who is planning this event now then and why?

All is becoming a bit too complex for me and tricky, what is real and what is not..All I see is fellow humans in need of help, the conspiracies behind the curtain aside. Am I being naive wanting to help them? We have complicated it all so much with politics and war games.

[Deega]

Thanks Malgorzata, for human sake, the creators (US, Saudis, Qatar, Britain, some Europe Nations) of the Wars in Syria, Iraq, Lybia, Afghanistan should somehow be held responsible (shelter, training while adaptation, etc) for the refugees, but the Geographic condition guide Refugees to go nearest States they can.

Poland would be an example State receiving Refugees, but they should send a bill to the above States for expenses incured taking care (basic needs, training, adaptation, etc.) of Refugees.

Fate of some Refugees are in the hand of Poland authorities, may the best happened to both Poles, and Refugees.

[Selkie]

Posted by Pilgrim (here)
...IMHO there is nefarious motive behind whole thing to export violence, cultural conflicts, state terrorism in order to destabilize Europe. Regarding poor people - PTB abuse their situation to conduct
that.

I think this ^^^ is it, in a nutshell.

Posted by Pilgrim (here)
...Who expresses his/her concerns or opinion is labelled immediately as chauvinist, xenophobes, islamophobs and I don't know which other phobias they would find against normal people reasoning, using intelligence, common sense and instinct.

I also think this ^^^ is right on.

I mean, look at the OP,

Posted by Malgorzata (here)
I am posting this as I have seen a tremendous amount of hate and bigotry among Polish people (I am from Poland) concerning the taking in of the Syrian refugees. People there are scared of Islamization, violence and destruction that might come from that...

(my emphasis)

As if the Poles could not possibly have any rational reasons for not wanting the Syrians, as if the only reason they do not want them is because the Poles are bigots, etc. Time will tell if the Syrian refugees are willing to integrate themselves into the mainstream of European society, or whether non-Muslim European women will have to live in fear of rape, etc.

So long story short, I am an American (and so this subject has not touched me personally** yet) but I am with you, Pilgrim. I see this tidal wave of immigrants as a tool to destabilize the heart of Europe, not to mention that there are undoubtedly plenty of ISIS fighters, whose job it will be to create mayhem in Europe, hidden among the refugees, for which the refugees will be blamed.

** The ISIS map, labeled Islamic Caliphate 2019, shows that ISIS has drawn a bead on the northeastern parts of Canada and the United States.

[Malgorzata]

Ok, but lets dig digger. This doesnt answer the question, WHO IS planning this to destabilize Europe? The ISIS guys themselves? But I thought the whole war was of the American-European product to have an excuse to invade THEIR land? So are you saying they are now using this war, invented and fueled by US-Europe Illuminati, to conquer Europe now? Somehow Im missing the plot. I repeat: WHO IS planning to destabilize Europe?

[ghostrider]

I say help where you can ... the ET's say no way ... instead of fixing your country , you just run to another's country , live off their resources , in a country you didn't help build or sustain ( their thoughts not mine ) ...they view it as giving up your personal responsibility for your country in which you were born ... when good people just run away , bad things happen for everyone ...

[Malgorzata]

Where are the ETs saying that?

[Selkie]

Posted by Malgorzata (here)
Ok, but lets dig digger. This doesnt answer the question, WHO IS planning this to destabilize Europe? The ISIS guys themselves? But I thought the whole war was of the American-European product to have an excuse to invade THEIR land? So are you saying they are now using this war, invented and fueled by US-Europe Illuminati, to conquer Europe now? Somehow Im missing the plot. I repeat: WHO IS planning to destabilize Europe?

You're kidding, right?

[Lifebringer]

I'm thinking the bigotry level is too high at this time in this country, and that alone would make them uncomfortable in that climate, after being invaded by US ME policy that started this mess in the 1st place. Identifying them would be feasible, but the bigotry and fear of Muslim extremists would probably get them labeled as an ISIS cell by our paranoid extremist, and tormented by the populace on the" right-wing media viewership," for ratings.

I think the billionaire has the right idea, to buy an island to give them shelter and tools to presume a peaceful as close to normal life again. They have all suffered enough and they are citizens already skilled in business, medical field, and construction. So let them restart their lives on a safe island, with oversight, by UN and the nation allowing them sanctuary. That is the best as the cultural differences "at this time" will add to more woes. WE can participate in the buying of the island with the EU nations that participated, however, trying to convert them to Christianity at the point of a gun, is not good.(Hungary) Showing them the ways of Christ is better. Showing is always better than just talking about it. God does it and we need to start that practice of just doing what needs to be done together in unity.

[Lifebringer]

Didn't EU ditch the Central banks for the new "BRICS ASIAN DEVELOPEMENT BANK?"
Could be the reason the are attacking former allies with sense enough to jump ship and save their soul as whistleblowers. I bet those who are responsible for this matrix are crapping their pants for what's to come. Some wishing they would have passed on by now.

[WhiteLove]

The word "Syria", is just an unnecessary label. The word "country", is just an unnecessary label. The words "land", "immigrant" and "refugee" are also unnecessary labels. The word "US", "EU" etc. are also unnecessary labels. It's all a world of labels to help structure and control the thinking patterns and behaviors of the masses. True freedom is about moving freely. True freedom is about together harnessing free energy. True freedom is about coming together as one - everybody are equally unlimited and happy. From that unlimited point of view, what is called immigration rules, borders, patriotism, division, separation, war, violence that's just stuff for people that are stubborn and ego driven enough to be asleep.

So the answer to the question is. Of course yes. Let the borders of the nations fall, let the people's diversity be harmonized, let's mix really well and then take over the planet as one people in peace. I have experienced such a place, and it's fantastic when that peace and truth exists, you no longer need to communicate with words, your communication takes place using emotions. Nothing is hidden and false, all interaction is felt through emotional communication in truth and in that peaceful state of being your greatest dreams come true because everything synchronizes once the truth releases the false. The depth, beauty and emotion of that kind of life is incredible!!

[Malgorzata]

Posted by Selkie (here)

You're kidding, right?

No. Why? WHO are you referring to REALLY, when you say THEY are trying to destabilize Europe? Im just asking cause the plot seems to escape me.

[Malgorzata]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
I'm thinking the bigotry level is too high at this time in this country, and that alone would make them uncomfortable in that climate, after being invaded by US ME policy that started this mess in the 1st place. Identifying them would be feasible, but the bigotry and fear of Muslim extremists would probably get them labeled as an ISIS cell by our paranoid extremist, and tormented by the populace on the" right-wing media viewership," for ratings.

I think the billionaire has the right idea, to buy an island to give them shelter and tools to presume a peaceful as close to normal life again. They have all suffered enough and they are citizens already skilled in business, medical field, and construction. So let them restart their lives on a safe island, with oversight, by UN and the nation allowing them sanctuary. That is the best as the cultural differences "at this time" will add to more woes. WE can participate in the buying of the island with the EU nations that participated, however, trying to convert them to Christianity at the point of a gun, is not good.(Hungary) Showing them the ways of Christ is better. Showing is always better than just talking about it. God does it and we need to start that practice of just doing what needs to be done together in unity.

This idea is not bad at all, not sure how feasible it would be when put to practice but yes. In short, the way I feel it in the essence of my heart, we cant be driven by fear and politics when trying to decide whether to let them in or not. My love for humanity´s ESSENCE is unconditional and my responsibility to alleviate their suffering is principal even if it means possibly altering ¨negatively¨ the course of European affairs in the future. As rationally as I try to view it all with all the mental arguments of this war(s)´ politics (read: virtual game), my heart just tells me ACCEPT them. No less no more. Simply that. Call me naive.

[Malgorzata]

Posted by WhiteLove (here)
The word "Syria", is just an unnecessary label. The word "country", is just an unnecessary label. The words "land", "immigrant" and "refugee" are also unnecessary labels. The word "US", "EU" etc. are also unnecessary labels. It's all a world of labels to help structure and control the thinking patterns and behaviors of the masses. True freedom is about moving freely. True freedom is about together harnessing free energy. True freedom is about coming together as one - everybody are equally unlimited and happy. From that unlimited point of view, what is called immigration rules, borders, patriotism, division, separation, war, violence that's just stuff for people that are stubborn and ego driven enough to be asleep.

So the answer to the question is. Of course yes. Let the borders of the nations fall, let the people's diversity be harmonized, let's mix really well and then take over the planet as one people in peace. I have experienced such a place, and it's fantastic when that peace and truth exists, you no longer need to communicate with words, your communication takes place using emotions. Nothing is hidden and false, all interaction is felt through emotional communication in truth and in that peaceful state of being your greatest dreams come true because everything synchronizes once the truth releases the false. The depth, beauty and emotion of that kind of life is incredible!!

MY FEELINGS EXACTLY! I am so gald someone feels the same THANK YOU! When I think about this whole mess I feel this precisely. Its ALL absurd and I dont understand ANY of this. Politics, wars, borders, separations, labels, fears,....I cant explain but its like all of these concepts are completely foreign to me and I cant grasp any of it! I KNOW there are other ways of existence. And yes, I know it sounds utopian and its not how things are right now at this three dimensional strange planet, but hey...I didnt come here at this time to adapt to it! I came to assist with the changes! And participating in fear/separation mentality is certainly not it. No matter what. I just cant.

[Selkie]

Posted by Malgorzata (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)

You're kidding, right?

No. Why? WHO are you referring to REALLY, when you say THEY are trying to destabilize Europe? Im just asking cause the plot seems to escape me.

Then you should go back and review the material. That way you will understand it, even if you disagree with the conclusions that Pilgrim and I (and others) have drawn from it.

[Tesseract]

I think people ought to consider the fact that Syria has a commendable history of accepting refugees from the region, mostly Iraqis, Palestinians and Lebanese. All from different religions and branches of religions, which gives the lie to the claim that the Syrian government is and has been sectarian in nature. In recent times the number of refugees in Syria was well over 1 million, most of them fleeing the war in Iraq. If Syria hadn't absorbed these people, the next stop would have been Europe, in fact it would have been trivial for the Syrian government to usher them through to Europe, given Syria's access to the Mediterranean sea and the Turkish border. So its kind of a slap in the face for Syrians not to be accepted when they seek mercy themselves in a time of need. And when the west decided to destabilise Syria, where did they think the people would go? Iraq, Libya, Syria - all once prosperous secular states, have been wrecked by foreign interference. Where did they think the people would go, the congo?


The Syrians should be accepted into Europe, because the danger of staying in Syria is extremely high. There are some countries where people may try and exaggerate the danger in order to secure a place abroad, but for Syria the danger is clearly real. The people need to be bought to safety immediately, the discussion of what to do long term can then begin. Ironically many of the right wing folks of Europe that most strongly oppose acceptance of refugees will inevitably vote for the very people who destabilise the middle east and create the refugee problem.

[Malgorzata]

Posted by Tesseract (here)
Ironically many of the right wing folks of Europe that most strongly oppose acceptance of refugees will inevitably vote for the very people who destabilise the middle east and create the refugee problem.

Thats exactly what originated my question above: who is really doing the destabilization of Europe by the ¨Islamic invasion of refugees¨? The western countries (US/Europe) were behind the destabilization of Middle East in the first place, to then this dominoeing into destabilization of Europe? Its very ironic indeed. Thats why it didnt seem right to me. I WILL review your ¨material¨ again Selkie. Its possible I didnt understand something there for sure (given I dont understand politics almost at all). Tesseract, great observation in general and my thoughts exactly also!

[Malgorzata]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Then you should go back and review the material. That way you will understand it, even if you disagree with the conclusions that Pilgrim and I (and others) have drawn from it.

Ok Selkie, I reviewed it back and dont see anything about WHO is trying to destabilize Europe? Are you referring to Muslims themselves or someone else behind them?