Worship Is Not Necessary

[New Age Messiah]

Want to explain effortless, as in the opposite of angst driven, command driven, religion driven, thought driven, behavior measured "righteousness" or "spirituality".

A lion sits effortlessly and licks his paws, but he is a beast that could tear you limb form limb. His being is effortless.

Human beings are "taught" how to "be" with CONCEPTS. This teaching is LOVELESS conditioning, society PUPPET SHOW garbage.

This learning how to "be" is INGRAINED deeply into the soul, and combines with other natural phenomena to form the ego fear based identity.

A person is NOT a psychological entity. A person is the universe itself, BEING. A person cannot find their true nature (divinity) by ANY moralistic teaching.

It can only be found by effortless surrender in the very very depths of the being, which are COMPLETELY caked over by fear and lying and pretending and by the EASE with which the ego identity can carry on in the puppet show without ever being real or honest or loving.

A wisdom teaching can only inform the person as to what the person may find on their scuba dive into the depths of their own soul.

Ma'at, the divine Goddess, the universe itself, is the SOURCE. She is VERY angry and She is cooking.

"Egypt, then, was seen to be nothing without Ma'at.

Ma'at was reality, the solid grounding of reality that made the Sun rise, the stars shine, the river flood and mankind think. The universe itself, all the world around them, was sacred in the ancient view. "Ethics" is an issue of human will and human permission. It is a function of the human world of duality. What is "ethical" for one group is sin for another. But Ma'at, the reality that made all groups what they are is transcendent of ethics, just as a rock or a flower is amoral, a-ethical, without "truth or falsehood." How can a flower be "false" or "ethical." It just is. How can the universe be "ethical or moral, right or wrong"? It simply is. That is Ma'at."

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/maat2.htm

[greybeard]

Ma'at, the divine Goddess, the universe itself, is the SOURCE. She is VERY angry and She is cooking.

This is the basic diference between what you believe and I believe.

My belief is that LOVE created all. Call that God -- whatever.
Love is incapable of anger.

The oldest spiritual writing known to man, the Vedas Upanisheds, were written long before the Egypt worshiped Gods/Godess of whom there were many. Egyptians eventual came to believe in one Creator. Through a Pharoh.

The Vedas spoke of One Creator a LOVING ONE.
There has been a constant line of Avatars, Krishna etc all saying the same thing. One LOVE one Creator.

Who wants an angry Godess?

The New Testament portrays a loving God.

Anyway through free will everyone has the right to their own belief.

Thanks for starting this thread.

Chris

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

I guess you guys forgot what I said, Jesus is a made up story.

nope just didn't take it to heart


the boy Jesus spent 3 days at the temple in Jerusalem at age 12

astounding the teachers there with His understanding

when His parents finally find Him

He says

How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Luke 2:49 KJV


Luke 2:52 KJV
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.


it is possible that His entanglement into mindmatter caused a temporary loss of recognition and that His identity was gradually revealed to Him

so that He should experience how it is to be a human - a Son of Man


perhaps at age 30 by the river Jordan His Divinity was fully revealed to Him

still He bore the form of a Man

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Luke 3:22 KJV

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Ma'at, the divine Goddess, the universe itself, is the SOURCE. She is VERY angry and She is cooking.

This is the basic diference between what you believe and I believe.

She told She is VERY angry, and She is cooking. So, that's not a belief. Beliefs are empty air.

Originally Posted by greybeard

My belief is that LOVE created all. Call that God -- whatever. Love is incapable of anger.

She's VERY angry, regardless what you believe. Sorry.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

She told She is VERY angry, and She is cooking. So, that's not a belief. Beliefs are empty air.



She's VERY angry, regardless what you believe. Sorry.

I have no doubt your intention is good.
I have no doubt there are changes, which may be extreme, coming to our planet and therfore the people and all life on it.

Some of these are a part of a cycle. Tidal waves, earth changes all were happening before there were humans on the planet. They are therfore not caused ny anger.

All I can say is I have experienced the love of God directly--- not a belief.
It is not an emotion, it is unmistakable, unlike any earthly love.

I wouldent want an angry Godess because then there is no free will. Only fear.

Ie if you dont obey my will I will get very angry.

Regards chris

[Ross H]

You speaks some wise words Greybeard.

Peace

[14 Chakras]

Yes, the one story in the Gospels about Jesus between birth and the age of thirty is when he is twelve years old and his parents are happily on their way back home from the temple only to discover their son Jesus is not in the caravan... upon returning we find him as an upstart in the temple teaching the rabies a thing or two... then answering his parents in a rebelious tone when they are like "Jesus, what the heck are you doing, you disapeared and didn't even tell us where you are going"

I suggest however, this is not the story of a fully enlightened sage at 12 years old, rather the story of a rebellious boy on the search for truth already teaching before truly it is his time to teach.

The next time we here Jesus teach in the temples he is thirty years old, and once again he is a rebel but this time, they rabis are astounded by the power in his voice and cannot believe this is the son of Joseph and Mary ~ It appears that from 12 to 30 he did not exactly build up a reputation with them as being a powerful teacher and speaker.

I suggest much like it took many years for Jesus to achieve enlightenment, like he did at the river of Jordan, it is the same for each one of us. Search and ye shall find, ask and it shall be given for it is the Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

I suggest that many in this embodiment who choose to Be will also hear the Words that Jesus did: "Thou art my beloved Son/Daughter; in thee I am well pleased."

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by greybeard

All I can say is I have experienced the love of God directly--- not a belief. It is not an emotion, it is unmistakable, unlike any earthly love.

I wouldent want an angry Godess because then there is no free will. Only fear.

Ie if you dont obey my will I will get very angry.

Regards chris

She told me She's angry, so it's not a religious thing or anything, has nothing to do with belief. When a Goddess tells you She's angry, AFTER She orchestrated the greatest true story ever told, on your behalf, sort of...

LOVE is the essence, and I don't doubt that you have experienced it.

BUT, whether you want Her or not, She is.

And She is very angry.

How one philosophically views how God SHOULD be based on some THOUGHT...

The WRATH of God has never been disputed as far as I know in any religion.

She SHOULD be angry, look at the evil run amok trying to control creation with lies and manipulation and slaughter... threatening nuclear annihilation...

Don't get me wrong, I did NOT start out with a belief that God was female or that God even as a living thing existed.

I just believed NOTHING could be greater than Reality itself. And so I said, Reality is God....

My story proves it true beyond a reasonable doubt, except it's Goddess.

Just like the Egyptians knew in their hearts, before the Romans conquered them, and whatnot.

Mother Nature is very angry and She is cooking. That should come as no surprise.

What She is cooking will be interesting to see... But it IS nice to know that SHE is taking matters into Her hands...

[kriya]

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[DragonHunter]

I would just like to say first of all you are allowed to believe in whatever you want to believe and I'm sure everyone here, albeit grievously, takes that to heart when speaking to you, they have never once called your faith or beliefs immoral or in some cases unbelievable. And yet I see you calling christian beliefs, and telling people who believe in that in the most basic words, stupid. Now belief no matter what it is, brings in hope to the heart of man. His heart filled with hope breeds love and generosity. So in a sens every religion is right as long as its a positive feeling. What you say is that none are correct no matter what the solution is. I myself live with someone who is immensely spiritual, making everyone's life around him a better place just by being there. Would you call this man an idiot for not believing in your "Goddess"?

I'm not trying to be mean, or hurtful, Nor do I wish to start something. All I wish to do is to try to open you up, NAM, to something the whole world needs to feel before its too late. You said it yourself, That the only god, is your Goddess, wouldn't she want her creations to be happy? What does she care if they want to believe in something that you consider false? If it makes them happy shouldn't the goddess be happy for them as well?

This is my first post here, and I do wish it to be an informal one, I try my best to be nice, and polite. So please if I was offensive or came off strong please tell me

[New Age Messiah]

I "believed" for ten years, and was fooled, and ultimately it twists your soul, if you try to make it true.

It was a fairly nice time of my life, it picked me up off a bad road, got me cleaned up, but my ultimate goal was truth and purification, and religion is neither.

Obviously, Christians, 99% have to agree with God that the vast majority of mankind deserves to burn in hell forever. There is nothing less polite that that.

That's the GROSS injustice and malevolence of people in all religions, it's the same thing, they profess all this stuff, and count themselves authoritative and try to implement their religious beliefs in a "nice" way, but in fact, underneath the facade of nice is a vile sick freak show set of beliefs.

But if you speak on that level, judge their religion, even remotely close to the way their religion judges you, anti-christ, devil, evil, going to hell... Then you are "impolite" you need to respect their belief that you are going to burn in hell forever..

The New Testament says almost everyone is destined to burn in hell with the devil forever. Jesus says remember your oil, or else, be ready in that hour or else, Annanais and Saphira are struck dead on the spot for one lie, but the message of God is forgiveness seven times seven.

Sorry, but the religion is nonsense on its face. It's just the way it is. They lure you in, like in any cult, and then they have you. You can't "fall away".

The religion has spent countless billions, probably trillions, in this decade alone...

There are probably a hundred thousand professional Christians, and lots more wannabe's spreading the word, in the USA alone.

Let one person, though, speak with authority and say it's a crock (it is) and they scream to the high heavens that their "faith" is under assault. Like when Jesse Ventura said something like that, the church went nuts.

The sanity of the world is perpetually under assault by religions and their weird doctrines.

If the Bible (NT) is true, the story is already written, and they win and have nothing to worry about. So from here on in, they can just sit it out and watch everyone go to hell forever.

[SiriArc]

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4106


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtop...d=66277#p66277 #41

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by SiriArc

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4106

Cool, your avatar is the symbol of Isis, is that right???

And yeah, She didn't say her name, She didn't say She was a Goddess, She didn't invoke fear or assert any kind of power over me...

She was just there.

Worship is the greatest human stupidity.

[371]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

Worship is the greatest human stupidity.

NOPE!

Arrogance is the greatest human stupidity, methinks...

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by 371

NOPE!

Arrogance is the greatest human stupidity, methinks...

Like the little boy that said the emperor isn't wearing any clothes...

How dare he?

[SiriArc]

New Age Messiah

"your avatar is the symbol of Isis, is that right???"

Actually it's PSI, 23rd letter of the Greek Alphabet.

In physics, the symbol for a Probability Wave.

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by SiriArc

New Age Messiah

"your avatar is the symbol of Isis, is that right???"

Actually it's PSI, 23rd letter of the Greek Alphabet.

In physics, the symbol for a Probability Wave.

Yeah, I remembered that after I typed it in. The I though is surrounded by s's, kind of, the symbol kind of spells Isis.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

sure I can become that

because I am that


Jesus is that


therein lies the difference


do you see it

Its a question of languaging.
Its not possible to explain a subjective state.
God created everything without diminishing himself.
There is no where God is not
God is the totality all of it.
Jesus said The father and I are one.
Therfore Christ consciousnes is the totality
We are part of the totality God is within us Christ is within us.
We are One its just a question of removing all obstruction to remembering what we are allready We are I am that I am.
My words are not the truth they can only point to it.

Prayer is necessary for the obstacles to be removed. A higher energy than is our earthly body is necessary to awaken within us the knowledge of what we are.

Hope this helps

Chris

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by greybeard

We are One its just a question of removing all obstruction to remembering what we are allready We are I am that I am.

yes

and the removal of obstructions to Self

is in a sense a somewhat time consuming process


like larvas becoming butterflies

is the larva a butterfly


while crawling about it looks and acts as a larva

with potential of wings within


in this analogy Jesus came into the world as a full-blown butterfly

looking like a larva lol

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

in this analogy Jesus came into the world as a full-blown butterfly

looking like a larva lol

I suggest this is not the case and it is indeed an illusion perpetrated by the prince of this world to make it seem impossible to follow in the Masters footsteps and instead create the image of the golden calf to be worshiped rather than followed.

Jesus mission truly began after he was baptized by John and the Light decended and he went into the desert. He was 30 years old.

When he went and spoke at the temple after returning from the desert they were shocked at the power in his voice, they could hardly believe that it was Joseph son.

Why the sudden change? He had 30 years up until then, ye they were not shocked until he came in when he was 30.

I strongly suggest considering that Jesus was born into the matrix like you were, not by a god sperm, but by Joseph sperm. That Jesus had to do the hard work on himself, like you have to on yourself, and that Jesus is not the savior of the world, rather he became One with the savior of the world, which is the Christ consciousness and which can only save when one takes up their cross and walks in the footsteps of the Master, surrenders their human ego in return for who they are in Oneness with the infinite, with All Life.


Jesus, Gautama Buddha were both men, humans. They did the work on themselves and accepted the reality of who they are in Oneness and they were reborn in consciousness. They told us we needed to do the same.

This is each one of our options, and truly, it is our sacred duty, as it is why we embodied in the mater universe in the first place, to connect to who we are in Oneness, affirm that we are Divine spark within, we are the I AM, and raise up the mater realm from within by letting the Light shine through us.

~~~~~

[RedeZra]

in this analogy Jesus came into the world as a full-blown butterfly

looking like a larva lol

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I suggest this is not the case and it is indeed an illusion perpetrated by the prince of this world to make it seem impossible to follow in the Masters footsteps and instead create the image of the golden calf to be worshiped rather than followed.

lol you can suggest what you want from the top of your head


why would His Divinity make it impossible to walk in His steps

are you not yourself Divine


did He do any superhuman feats besides the miracles and the Resurrection lol

did He not advice how to live to accomplish the spiritual metamorphosis


Jesus came into the world as a Divine Being

our world of men and women with the Divine potential within


Jesus points to this Divinity within us and says


Man how long will you crawl about on Earth like a mere mortal

being tossed around as a victim of circumstances


there is your wings and here is how you strech them

to fly above the confinement of the elements


Jesus does not want our worship

He wants us to be like Him

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Jesus mission truly began after he was baptized by John and the Light decended and he went into the desert. He was 30 years old.

When he went and spoke at the temple after returning from the desert they were shocked at the power in his voice, they could hardly believe that it was Joseph son.

Why the sudden change? He had 30 years up until then, ye they were not shocked until he came in when he was 30.

simply because that was the time of His mission

that was the time to publicly reveal and confirm His Divinity from God

the Divine does not flaunt Itself


Jesus walked and talked like a Man

He is not a God realized being like say Sri Ramana

He is Divine and comes directly from Divinity

the Son begotten of God

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I strongly suggest considering that Jesus was born into the matrix like you were, not by a god sperm, but by Joseph sperm. That Jesus had to do the hard work on himself, like you have to on yourself, and that Jesus is not the savior of the world, rather he became One with the savior of the world, which is the Christ consciousness and which can only save when one takes up their cross and walks in the footsteps of the Master, surrenders their human ego in return for who they are in Oneness with the infinite, with All Life.

speculations do not supersede Scripture


the devil is working on a dream

which involves stripping the Divinity of Jesus from the minds of men


Jesus is the Supreme Savior

to those who are loosing the battle of the Soul

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

in this analogy Jesus came into the world as a full-blown butterfly

looking like a larva lol

lol you can suggest what you want from the top of your head


why would His Divinity make it impossible to walk in His steps

are you not yourself Divine


did He do any superhuman feats besides the miracles and the Resurrection lol

did He not advice how to live to accomplish the spiritual metamorphosis


Jesus came into the world as a Divine Being

our world of men and women with the Divine potential within


Jesus points to this Divinity within us and says


Man how long will you crawl about on Earth like a mere mortal

being tossed around as a victim of circumstances


there is your wings and here is how you strech them

to fly above the confinement of the elements


Jesus does not want our worship

He wants us to be like Him






simply because that was the time of His mission

that was the time to publicly reveal and confirm His Divinity from God

the Divine does not flaunt Itself


Jesus walked and talked like a Man

He is not a God realized being like say Sri Ramana

He is Divine and comes directly from Divinity

the Son begotten of God

Why do I feel I have met you RedeZra?
I am 100% in agreement with you.

(without getting into conception for I do not know)

There would be no point in Jesus coming into this world knowing that he was divine.

He had to start at the same place of spiritual ignorance as the rest of us.
How could he show us the way without travelling it---- all of it?

We did not come into this world knowing our divinity either, we had to be shown a way to realize the Trurh.
The " I am" is the way the path.

All of the spiritual geniuses before Jesus showed the same path more or less, maybe a different way of walking it but in essence the same end result, overcoming the world, being one with the Father.

He did not set himself above us and said that we could do the same and more.


So we are left a difficult path of prayer and devotion.
Prayers is very important or we would not have been given the "Lords prayer"
I am not of any religion.

I see I might be missunderstood.
I believe that Jesus was sent here directly with the mission that he acomplished.
I have no idea when he realised the truth of his mission and who he is. (present tense)

Chris

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Why do I feel I have met you RedeZra?
I am 100% in agreement with you.

I see I might be missunderstood.
I believe that Jesus was sent here directly with the mission that he acomplished.
I have no idea when he realised the truth of his mission and who he is. (present tense)

lol yes not 100% in agreement after all but that's okay I might be wrong


the important point is that He was on a Mission from God

or was He lol


Scripture says so

speculators still speculate

[greybeard]

I accept that Jesus may have known from birth who he was/is.
Now are we 100% ? smiling
Regards Chris

[New Age Messiah]

I guess you guys forgot what I said, Jesus is a made up story.

Just like the many, many other stories you probably think are made up.

Like the mormon guy, and the Mohammed guy, and Mithra, Horus and Zeus etc.