Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Cidersomerset]

'No one was at MH17 crash site, everyone was telling ‘we know who it was’

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3L899xdwDOU

Published on 8 Oct 2015


An official report into the cause of the crash of flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine
hasn't been published yet. Amid speculation over it, RT heard from journalist
Mark Bartal-mai. He was in East Ukraine at the time of the crash and visited
the scene just hours after the tragedy filming enough material for a documentary.


RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[Cidersomerset]

West Fabricates Hype Over MH17 Crash to Suppress Truth – German Media

By David Icke on 17th August 2015 Coverups, War and Terror




‘Instead of collecting the information that may help in the
search for answers in the crash of the Malaysian airliner MH17, Western media
hypes up and massively publishes low-quality information that contains references
blaming Russia, writes German media outlet Propagandaschau.

The absence of convincing evidence suggests an attempt to conceal the facts,
Propagandaschau reports.Soon after the crash of the MH17 flight, Western media
began their “propaganda battle” in which Donbass militia forces and Russia were
accused of the tragedy. There was so much hype created but the facts are still so
scarce that it is impossible to get rid of the impression that there is a deliberate
plot to try and hide something, the German outlet noted.’

Read more: West Fabricates Hype Over MH17 Crash to Suppress Truth – German Media

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150816/1025813294.html

[Cidersomerset]

The Malaysian MH17 Crash Investigation: Dutch Safety Board (DSB) Prepares ‘Missile Attack On Moscow’

By David Icke on 17th September 2015 Political Manipulation, Problem-Reaction-Solution, War and Terror



‘The Dutch Government has decided to launch a missile attack on Moscow in October.
By suppressing all evidence obtained from the bodies of victims of the crash of Malaysian
Airlines MH17, officials of the Dutch Safety Board and associated Dutch military officers,
police and prosecutors are preparing to release a report on the crash with a gaping hole
in its veracity.

At the same time, and apparently unknown in The Netherlands, an Australian coroners’
report on the identification and forensic testing of the bodies carried out in The Netherlands
reveals post-mortem evidence to show that in their public statements the Dutch government
officials have been lying about metal evidence they claim to have found. This evidence has
not only been buried with the passengers’ remains. It has been buried by the Dutch
Government and by coroners in the UK and Australia, who are now legally required to
investigate independently what caused the deaths of citizens in their jurisdiction. All are
withholding the CT scans, X-rays, autopsy and other post-mortem results, including
metallurgical assays, the documentation of which accompanied the coffins of the aircraft’s
victims from The Netherlands to their homelands.’

Read more: The Malaysian MH17 Crash Investigation: Dutch Safety Board (DSB) Prepares
‘Missile Attack On Moscow’

http://johnhelmer.net/?p=14084#more-14084

[Cidersomerset]

'No one was at MH17 crash site, everyone was telling ‘we know who it was’

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3L899xdwDOU

Published on 8 Oct 2015


An official report into the cause of the crash of flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine
hasn't been published yet. Amid speculation over it, RT heard from journalist
Mark Bartal-mai. He was in East Ukraine at the time of the crash and visited
the scene just hours after the tragedy filming enough material for a documentary.


RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[Akasha]

Official report only a week away.

[Operator]

Three days ago dutch news sites ran with an article about the possibility of a bomb in the cockpit:

http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/binnenla...m_in_cock.html

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...ockpit___.html

http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/binnenland...e-mh17-theorie

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/2254414?to...9d7209ac4e72dc

http://www.hbvl.be/cnt/dmf20151006_0...-bom-aan-boord

Summarized the articles have this in common:

A mysterious research report surfaced that contains a new theory about the cause of the crash of flight MH17. The Military Intelligence and Security Service (MIVD) received the document held by some Dutch who would have received it from a Russian source.

From this it would appear that there was explosive placed in the cockpit, which was detonated above the Ukrainian battlefield. Parts of the report have yet to be translated from Russian.

"We are waiting for findings from the Research Council," said spokesman Martin Hilbrandie MIVD. "We have taken note of the file and the audio and video files, but it does not affect our conclusions," reports the Research Council. One should be alert to disinformation, warns a Hague intelligence source. "At this stage, it is not uncommon that all kinds of disinformation is actively distributed."

Well, well everything else they make up we should believe immediately but this of course should be put aside because it likely is disinformation ... seriously ?

[Cidersomerset]

Clerk promises 'truth' about MH17 ahead of official report

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PR_bO48IBgs

Published on 8 Oct 2015


An official report into the cause of the crash of flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine
hasn't been published yet. But the website Bellingcat run by Eliot Higgins,
former office worker, is to publish its own findings today. Higgins believes his
site is 'a resource for citizen investigative journalists'.


RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[Cidersomerset]

Clerk promises 'truth' about MH17 ahead of official report

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PR_bO48IBgs

Published on 8 Oct 2015


An official report into the cause of the crash of flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine
hasn't been published yet. But the website Bellingcat run by Eliot Higgins,
former office worker, is to publish its own findings today. Higgins believes his
site is 'a resource for citizen investigative journalists'.


RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[Hervé]

Moscow asks UN aviation agency to intervene into MH17 probe - report

Published time: 11 Oct, 2015 16:32

© Maxim Zmeyev / Reuters

Russia has appealed to the head of the UN aviation agency to intervene in the investigation into the MH17 crash in Ukraine to prevent the Dutch experts in charge from ignoring the findings of their Russian counterparts, according to a new media report.

The Deputy Chief of Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency, Oleg Storchevoy, sent a letter to Olumuyiwa Benard Aliu, the head of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), after becoming acquainted with a draft of the final report by the Dutch Safety Board (DSB), which is heading the probe. This was revealed by Malaysian newspaper the New Straits Times on Sunday.

The letter, received by the ICAO on September 16, states that the DSB ignored “comprehensive information” provided by the Russian side and relating to the downing of the Boeing 777 over war-torn Eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, the media report said. In the letter, Storchevoy said that, in conducting its investigation, the DSB had violated the principle of “sequence of conclusions,” one of the most fundamental rules when conducting probes into air crashes.

He went on to explain that, instead of conducting its investigation in a logical order, by first examining the damage to the airplane and then, based on this analysis, drawing conclusions as to its cause and source, the DSB had begun with an assumed hypothesis, and worked backward to demonstrate that the evidence met the criteria necessary to prove their preconceived conclusion.

He stated that the DSB steered the investigation to prove that the aircraft was destroyed by a BUK missile launched from a certain location.

“This is before any research into the characteristics of the warhead which brought down the plane was done. The basic data and methods of identifying where the missile was fired from were also not explained by the DSB,” the letter said, as quoted by the New Straits Times.

The US and EU blame Eastern Ukrainian rebels, who were fighting government forces in the area at the time, for downing the plane with a BUK missile system provided by Russia. The claims have been repeatedly denied by both the rebel militias and Moscow, which have urged the West to wait for the official results of the investigation.

© RT E.Ukraine self-defense hand over MH17 debris to Dutch investigators, following RT documentary.

During two meetings with the DSB, Almaz-Antey, the designer and producer of BUK missile systems, declassified the specifications of its rockets - the 9M38 and 9M38M1 surface-to-air missile systems to aid the inquiry, the letter said.

The details provided by Almaz-Antey included technical specifications, flight and ballistics characteristics, launch parameters, algorithms governing the detonator and characteristics of the warhead, the report said.

Storchevoy added that the Russian arms maker also provided detailed data describing the damage that would have been incurred by the Boeing had it been hit by a BUK missile, but the DSB refused to consider any of this information, as well as other Russian findings.

“All these detailed calculations were ignored by the DSB. As a result, the DSB arrived at conclusions that contradict common sense and are not consistent with the design of this weapons system,” he said.

He added that the DSB draft report also had discrepancies with regards to the metallurgical properties of the missile and size of the warhead.

“According to the [DSB] calculations, the weight of the warhead was no more than 33kg, and the main warhead was equipped with between 3,000 and 4,000 ‘pre-formed fragments’ that weighed around 3g each. These do not correspond with the BUK at all.”

According to the Russian side, the Dutch experts also failed to properly document and examine the metal fragments found at the crash site in Eastern Ukraine.

“[The fragments] were submitted half a year later, after the investigation began. As a result, a year after the accident, there is no proof to connect the pre-formed fragments with missiles of any type.”

“Taking the abovementioned into consideration, there is no proof that this aircraft was destroyed by the BUK rocket,” he concluded.

The Netherlands was put in charge of the probe because the majority of the 298 people who died in the crash were Dutch citizens. The Dutch have been heading two international investigations into the crash: a criminal inquiry and the probe into the crash’s causes (the latter headed by the DSB).

The DBS earlier announced that it would release the long-awaited final report on October 13 this year.

READ MORE:

Dutch media sue govt, demand it release full info on MH17 crash

MH17 investigators to RT: No proof east Ukraine fragments from ‘Russian’ Buk missile

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 Ukraine disaster: Dutch to report on cause

2 hours ago

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fCZAKb0_MVk

Dutch investigators are to publish their report into
what caused Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 to crash

The Dutch Safety Board is to publish a final report on why Malaysian Airlines Flight
MH17 broke up over Ukraine in 2014, killing all 298 on board.

Preliminary findings say it was hit by "high-energy objects from outside the
aircraft", fuelling speculation that a surface-to-air missile was responsible.

The West and Ukraine say Russian-backed rebels brought down the Boeing 777,
while Russia blames Ukraine. But the report will not say who was to blame.

Russia is to issue its own report.

The plane - flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur - crashed in rebel-held eastern
Ukraine on 17 July 2014 at the height of the conflict between government troops
and the pro-Russian separatists.

The victims included 196 Dutch nationals and 10 Britons.

Four questions

The Dutch Safety Board is expected to present its findings first to the victims'
families and relatives and then to reporters at the Gilze-Rijen military base in the
Netherlands.

The board will also show parts of the aircraft that have been brought back from the
rebel-held Donetsk region and reconstructed.

Read More.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34511973

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Dutch report unlikely to assign blame for MH17 crash

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ic-nwhXqjYQ

Published on 12 Oct 2015

The Dutch Safety Board is due to release its final report Tuesday on the downing of
Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17. The passenger plane crashed over eastern Ukraine
on July 17 last year, leaving all 298 people onboard dead, most of them Dutch
citizens. Preliminary findings suggested that a ground-to-air missile shot down the
plane. However, facts remain elusive, and many believe the report will not bring
about a final conclusion.

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LIVE: Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey delivers MH17 report

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LKAXKwnUTg0

Started on 13 Oct 2015


Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey is presenting the results of its probe into
the alleged missile launch that may have downed the MH17 Malaysian Airlines
plane over eastern Ukraine, July 17, 2014.

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

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'MH17 crash' test simulation video: Il-86 plane cockpit hit with BUK missile

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8DmraSOdTYk

Published on 13 Oct 2015


The BUK system’s manufacturer Almaz-Antey releases its report on last year’s
MH17 crash over eastern Ukraine and is shows a video of simulated BUK missile
explosion right next to a pilot's cockpit.

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 Ukraine disaster: Dutch to report on cause

2 hours ago

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fCZAKb0_MVk

Dutch investigators are to publish their report into
what caused Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 to crash

The Dutch Safety Board is to publish a final report on why Malaysian Airlines Flight
MH17 broke up over Ukraine in 2014, killing all 298 on board.

Preliminary findings say it was hit by "high-energy objects from outside the
aircraft", fuelling speculation that a surface-to-air missile was responsible.

The West and Ukraine say Russian-backed rebels brought down the Boeing 777,
while Russia blames Ukraine. But the report will not say who was to blame.

Russia is to issue its own report.

The plane - flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur - crashed in rebel-held eastern
Ukraine on 17 July 2014 at the height of the conflict between government troops
and the pro-Russian separatists.

The victims included 196 Dutch nationals and 10 Britons.

Four questions

The Dutch Safety Board is expected to present its findings first to the victims'
families and relatives and then to reporters at the Gilze-Rijen military base in the
Netherlands.

The board will also show parts of the aircraft that have been brought back from the
rebel-held Donetsk region and reconstructed.

Read More.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34511973

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Dutch report unlikely to assign blame for MH17 crash

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ic-nwhXqjYQ

Published on 12 Oct 2015

The Dutch Safety Board is due to release its final report Tuesday on the downing of
Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17. The passenger plane crashed over eastern Ukraine
on July 17 last year, leaving all 298 people onboard dead, most of them Dutch
citizens. Preliminary findings suggested that a ground-to-air missile shot down the
plane. However, facts remain elusive, and many believe the report will not bring
about a final conclusion.

Subscribe to us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/CCTVNEWS...

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LIVE: Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey delivers MH17 report

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LKAXKwnUTg0

Started on 13 Oct 2015


Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey is presenting the results of its probe into
the alleged missile launch that may have downed the MH17 Malaysian Airlines
plane over eastern Ukraine, July 17, 2014.

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air


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'MH17 crash' test simulation video: Il-86 plane cockpit hit with BUK missile

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8DmraSOdTYk

Published on 13 Oct 2015


The BUK system’s manufacturer Almaz-Antey releases its report on last year’s
MH17 crash over eastern Ukraine and is shows a video of simulated BUK missile
explosion right next to a pilot's cockpit.

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[Sophocles]

BUK producer detonates missiles next to pilot’s cockpit in full-scale MH17 experiment (VIDEO)

RT Published time: 13 Oct, 2015 10:09

Almaz-Antey carried out two experiments simulating explosions near MH17. They determined the missile was an older BUK model 9M38 fired from an area under Ukrainian forces’ control, contesting the preliminary findings of the Dutch-led investigation.

'MH17 crash' test video: Il-86 plane cockpit hit with BUK missile in real-life simulation:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8DmraSOdTYk

Source

[Cidersomerset]

The Plane was hit by BUK missile according to Dutch report.....

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MH17 victim Liam Sweeney's father hopes 'death was quick'

7 minutes ago.....From the section Tyne & Wear


Barry Sweeney, and the families of other victims, were privately briefed prior to the
report's publication The father of one of the victims of flight MH17 has said he had
to believe those on board died quickly or it would "hurt forever".

Newcastle United fan Liam Sweeney was among 298 people who died when the
Boeing 777 came down over eastern Ukraine in July 2014.His father, Barry,
travelled to The Hague for the Dutch Safety Board's report into its downing.
The report found that the plane was hit by a Russian-made BUK missile.

Liam Sweeney, 28, and fellow supporter John Alder, 63, were on board the
Malaysian Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur en route to New
Zealand, to watch Newcastle United play in a pre-season tour.Following the
publication of the report Barry Sweeney said: "Basically (we were told) that the
plane was hit by a BUK missile.

"The cockpit then broke off - probably creating confusion in the rest of the plane.

"Hopefully most people were unconscious by the time this happened - and that's
probably a comfort to 298 sets of relatives.

"We're all here for the same reason, they sort of told us what we already knew, we
can't be 100%, but we have to think no-one suffered on that flight.

"I'm going to have to just go away and think yes, Liam died instantly... because if
you think otherwise, it will hurt forever."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34513703

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 Ukraine disaster: Dutch report blames missile

10 minutes ago

Vids on link below

Read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34511973





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Dutch report on MH17 plane crash

Key Points

Dutch Safety Board to issue final report into July 2014 crash of flight from
Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over Ukraine

All 298 people on board were killed, of whom 196 were Dutch

Relatives of victims are being told contents of the report with findings due to be
presented to journalists at 1215

Flight was shot at height of conflict in Ukraine between pro-Russian rebels and
government troops - both sides blame each other for the crash


All times in BST (one hour ahead of GMT)


VID ON LINK.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34514727

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The Plane was hit by BUK missile according to Dutch report.....

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MH17 victim Liam Sweeney's father hopes 'death was quick'

7 minutes ago.....From the section Tyne & Wear


Barry Sweeney, and the families of other victims, were privately briefed prior to the
report's publication The father of one of the victims of flight MH17 has said he had
to believe those on board died quickly or it would "hurt forever".

Newcastle United fan Liam Sweeney was among 298 people who died when the
Boeing 777 came down over eastern Ukraine in July 2014.His father, Barry,
travelled to The Hague for the Dutch Safety Board's report into its downing.
The report found that the plane was hit by a Russian-made BUK missile.

Liam Sweeney, 28, and fellow supporter John Alder, 63, were on board the
Malaysian Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur en route to New
Zealand, to watch Newcastle United play in a pre-season tour.Following the
publication of the report Barry Sweeney said: "Basically (we were told) that the
plane was hit by a BUK missile.

"The cockpit then broke off - probably creating confusion in the rest of the plane.

"Hopefully most people were unconscious by the time this happened - and that's
probably a comfort to 298 sets of relatives.

"We're all here for the same reason, they sort of told us what we already knew, we
can't be 100%, but we have to think no-one suffered on that flight.

"I'm going to have to just go away and think yes, Liam died instantly... because if
you think otherwise, it will hurt forever."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34513703

[Cidersomerset]

Dutch Safety Board MH17 final report

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2TdWUTHC49U

Streamed live on 13 Oct 2015


The Dutch Safety Board publishes MH17 final report after fifteen months of investigation
at Gilze-Rijen air force base in the Netherlands. The report covers the cause of the crash,
the issue of flying over conflict areas, the question why Dutch surviving relatives of the
victims had to wait two to four days before receiving confirmation from the Dutch authorities
and the question to what extent the occupants of flight MH17 were conscious of the crash.
Also there will be present a reconstruction of the MH17 crash site made from parts of the
aircraft, using the recovered pieces of the wreckage, part of the cockpit, and the plane’s
business class section.The Boeing 777 was en route to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam
and was downed in the skies over eastern Ukraine on July 17 last year. All 298 including
80 children, and 15 crew members were killed.

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[animovado]

Here is the short version of the Dutch Safety Board findings:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KDiLEyT9spI

[Cidersomerset]

Dutch Safety Board simulates MH17 being hit by BUK missile

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lJkW_uLjVO8

Published on 13 Oct 2015


The Dutch Safety Board publishes MH17 final report after fifteen months
of investigation at Gilze-Rijen air force base in the Netherlands - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/6tq1

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Dutch Safety Board simulates MH17 being hit by BUK missile

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lJkW_uLjVO8

Published on 13 Oct 2015


The Dutch Safety Board publishes MH17 final report after fifteen months
of investigation at Gilze-Rijen air force base in the Netherlands - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/6tq1

I always thought that a heat seeking missile would be targeted at the engine where the heat is highest?? Not the front of the plane? I am not an expert but....

http://www.thomaswictor.com/when-a-m...s-an-airliner/

viking

[Operator]

Posted by viking (here)
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I always thought that a heat seeking missile would be targeted at the engine where the heat is highest?? Not the front of the plane? I am not an expert but....
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You answered your own question ... it isn't an heat seeking missile.
It attempts to explode in the close vicinity of the target.

[Cidersomerset]

Another good discussion about the Dutch report and they explain why it looks like
another cover up under a predictive intel and media procedure. Blame the culprit
straight away. Oswald , bin Laden , WMD's etc. But never show any conclusive
evidence so that even after the event , the general public believes the initial media
and government accusations and innuendo . In this case where is the US satellite
and other evidence ? If this does show up , it will be analysed by all sides , if not
it will quitely fade out of the headlines into the ' conspiracy' realm. The panel
explains it better and use other examples not Oswald or Bin Laden...LOL

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CrossTalk: MH17 Report

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HrfFL88TMGM

Published on 13 Oct 2015

Fifteen months after the tragic loss of MH17 over war-torn Ukraine the Dutch
Safety Board has presented the results of its investigation. From the very
beginning the explicit aim of this probe was to determine why the plane was
destroyed in midair. Will we ever learn the “who” and “why” parts of this tragedy?

CrossTalking with John Laughland, Alexander Mercouris, and Dmitry Babich.

Listen to CrossTalk+ here: https://soundcloud.com/rttv/sets/cros...