Flat Earth Idea - Why so popular?

[Wide-Eyed]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Well, this interesting question has inspired me to put on the Devil's boots (they hurt! ) and imagine what I'd be doing if I was was the CIA Director of Special Counter Alternative Media Operations.

* That's a made-up title: but I'd bet $10,000 that something like that exists. My suggestion spells SCAMO.

So this would be my program... all in parallel, not in any sequence:

• Install high-ability agents in influential roles. Just a handful, maybe a dozen or so, would be enough. Radio shows, prominent blogs, YouTube channels, etc.

• Install a LOT of shills and trolls to patrol forums, comments on blogs, YouTube, and so on. 1,000 would be more than plenty. The annual budget for that would only be about $50m. That's peanuts.

• Inject a number of memes (alluring ideas/concepts) into the community that would
  — confuse people
  — create conflict.

• That can easily be done through a combination of the high-profile assets, the shill supporters (remember, shills and trolls can act POSITIVELY, too, to support certain agendas), and a few well-made YouTube videos that are pushed to prominence.

• There would be another division, used more sparingly, to take hard action against anyone who was hard to control. They would be
  — publicly embarrassed (and/or maybe blackmailed)
  — financially compromised or weakened
  — set up to be 'illegal' or to have broken the law in some way
  — ridiculed and/or smeared
  — or, in some cases, made chronically ill or eliminated.

• Finally, there would be a third division, equally specialized, to use targeted mind control technology against susceptible targets. Partial influencing would be fine: a mind controlled individual isn't necessarily a zombie or an automaton. They're just 'leaned on' in certain ways — using emotion or injected illogic — so that their behavior or attitude changes in just the optimum strategic ways.

• All the above would be well-monitored with low-key but sharp and accurate personal surveillance of every kind, designed to provide real-time feedback to enable advanced strategic software to make decisions about how best to deploy all the resources available. (One has to think of many chess pieces on a chessboard, all working together to win the game.)

In the context of all that ^^ (!) — maybe the question posted in the thread can find an obvious answer.

Bill - I have been to Las Vegas more times that I care to mention and probably spent less than $500 gambling but I would wager $10,000 in fiat along with Frenchy's sterling that SCAMO is in effect employed. Along with Jon Rappaport's discussion with his PSYOP pro, Ellis Medavoy, describing their modus operendi employed - this was outlined TODAY, on Good Morning America. Yes- I regrettably and coincidentally caught a piece this morning that aired describing some fashion of psyop. Not a regular mainstream TV watcher but my 84 yr old father is and it was a quite piece if one was "viewing between the programming " the piece was about the FCC suing or bringing charges of a sort against LORD & TAYLOR department store for "manufacturing consent" of sorts with social media. LORD & TAYLOR creates false social media "blitzes" with parties or agents that appear to be just good ol' american consumers but they happen to be wearing dresses or items that L&T markets and sells. The store whips up these social media frenzies actually directs them but the asleep or unknowing social media fans eat it up. L& T is creating campaigns that within moments of launch of tweets, Instagrams or FaceBook postings have hundreds of thousands of hits. The social media users just think it's something 'cool' that is going viral created by Suzy next store when it is actually big data or AI type of marketing subliminal directed by LORD & Taylor. Very large numbers of unsuspecting consumers whipped up and controlled digitally, coerced if you will, to think act and consume....all from 'Suzy next doors' hip post that blew up and went viral. OMG I have to get that dress! It's sooo fab didn't you see it with "Suzy next doors" post that went viral OMG! It's so cool everyone is posting about it...

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Wide-Eyed (here)

bringing charges of a sort against LORD & TAYLOR department store for "manufacturing consent" of sorts with social media. LORD & TAYLOR creates false social media "blitzes" with parties or agents that appear to be just good ol' american consumers but they happen to be wearing dresses or items that L&T markets and sells.

Exactly. If a fairly small department store can do that, think what the CIA can do — with an almost unlimited budget, and totally unlimited access to YouTube and the rest of the internet.

[TargeT]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Basically don't bother presenting proof / evidence - it'll get this thread quickly closed after a bunch of nonsense that will insue; if one does not have the ability to evaluate your evidence objectively, based on existing known laws, it gets absolutely nowhere ... trust me If I had a dollar for the amount of times I have explained perspective, scale and sunbeams ... it doesn't work

That's why the Coriolis effect is such a good shut down,,, there's NO WAY you can explain that away with any FE theory... that's the "holy grail" of counter arguments from my findings.

Posted by bettye198 (here)
I do sense perception is everything and that acquires our belief system.

I rather think our belief system shapes our perspective, if you understand the concept of "confirmation bias" you'll know this to be true as well.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Wide-Eyed (here)

bringing charges of a sort against LORD & TAYLOR department store for "manufacturing consent" of sorts with social media. LORD & TAYLOR creates false social media "blitzes" with parties or agents that appear to be just good ol' american consumers but they happen to be wearing dresses or items that L&T markets and sells.

Exactly. If a fairly small department store can do that, think what the CIA can do — with an almost unlimited budget, and totally unlimited access to YouTube and the rest of the internet.

why think? just look at their crowning achievement: facebook....

And I have... O M F G it's insane what people willingly give up on that site... as a person that has never had a facebook account and almost never goes there; plus being a cyber security expert (we train in social engineering, it's the most powerful "hack" out there) I see a honeypot of EPIC proportions.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Elandiel BernElve (here)
Heyall,

It's been some years since I've been active on this forum.
Project Avalon took me so far in space it took me some years to ground back again, get my life moving and gather enough courage to go into deep space yet again

I miss the intellect and spirituality of this online community so much as well as energizing my personal et connection that I can only come back here like a lost son.

On topic:
Now somehow my youtube account is spamming me with "maybe you find this interesting" about Flat Earth theories.
Lately I was at a party and someone started talking to me about it.

What is up with this whole thing? Is there an operation running globally to get people to believe the Earth is flat?

So the question is not whether it's flat because you know... hah. It ain't.

But the question is WHY ? What is the purpose of this disinfo?


Thanks in advance and bless you

After many years of slowly brainwashing, poisoning, and dumbing down the masses, what better way to study the effects of the grand dumbing down experiment other than trying to tell the one's that can still think for themselves that the earth is really flat?????? Goes to prove that many free thinkers and rather intelligent people can still be easily manipulated and duped in to anything.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

After many years of slowly brainwashing, poisoning, and dumbing down the masses, what better way to study the effects of the grand dumbing down experiment other than trying to tell the one's that can still think for themselves that the earth is really flat?????? Goes to prove that many free thinkers and rather intelligent people can still be easily manipulated and duped in to anything.

Yes, that's a good point. The entire program could have multiple goals.

(Actually, the theory I really like is that maybe one CIA section chief bet another CIA section chief $100 that he could make it work. )

[TargeT]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

After many years of slowly brainwashing, poisoning, and dumbing down the masses, what better way to study the effects of the grand dumbing down experiment other than trying to tell the one's that can still think for themselves that the earth is really flat?????? Goes to prove that many free thinkers and rather intelligent people can still be easily manipulated and duped in to anything.

Yes, that's a good point. The entire program could have multiple goals.

(Actually, the theory I really like is that maybe one CIA section chief bet another CIA section chief $100 that he could make it work. )

Well I certainly agree

Posted by TargeT (here)
IMO, FE is a purposefully introduced disinformation campaign to see how gullible/leadable/trickable humans are currently... it was a psychological test to see our current level of "trickability)

But I think we are winning, the FE crap flared up and died almost as fast (it's basically put down now) same with the Encryption BS... Hell it's almost enough to restore a bit of my faith in humanity.... in fact.

these things, the current events.... I'm feeling a bit positive right now; "we" collectively aren't really falling for the same super easy BS... it takes a master "negotiator" (aka manipulator) like Trump to stir up any interest in politics, we aren't rolliing over and letting the NSA take advantage like we used to... over all I'd give "us" a C+

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

After many years of slowly brainwashing, poisoning, and dumbing down the masses, what better way to study the effects of the grand dumbing down experiment other than trying to tell the one's that can still think for themselves that the earth is really flat?????? Goes to prove that many free thinkers and rather intelligent people can still be easily manipulated and duped in to anything.

Yes, that's a good point. The entire program could have multiple goals.

(Actually, the theory I really like is that maybe one CIA section chief bet another CIA section chief $100 that he could make it work. )

I'm figuring the CIA section chief refused to take the bet because they both actually knew it would work....

ADDED: not enough people bought in to though, so back to the drawing board and adding a few new strands in GMO's I'm sure is on the schedule...

[Innocent Warrior]

But the question is WHY ? What is the purpose of this disinfo?

To create unfavourable/demeaning/unintelligent ideas to be associated with the truther community, conspiracy theorists in particular. Think about it, when you think of truthers, what does your mind immediately associate that term with? For me it's 9/11 truthers. Well, it is FAR more helpful to the cabals for people to be associating the FE conspiracy with truthers and conspiracy theorists, for obvious reasons. Associations of ideas with terms is incredibly fast acting, efficient and powerful on the mind, if it cost them 50 million dollars it would be a bargain.

[Hervé]

Along the line of letters agencies and big money being involved, I almost fell off my couch one day when watching some Canadian TV program where the "Flat Earth Society" was running an ad campaign with powerful imagery... that was 4-5 years ago... they have been at it for a long while now...

[Hym]

All accurate points, my friends, especially Bill's foray into the mind of an analyst, very close, very close to the methods used. As an artist and primarily a sculptor I also see another added viewpoint to the discussion.

A little deeper than the obvious is the perception and measuring of the effectiveness of transhumanism in this little psy-op:

The Flat Earth meme measures the effectiveness of de-humanizing, of removing, of obfuscating the depth of perceptions within the masses, since it has been a long journey adapting humans to 2-D modeling and guiding them into accepting the 2-D image as a larger part of a perceived reality.

The 2-D model is the t.v. screen, the computer, the piece of paper, the cell phone screen, looking at a mirror, etc. and it concludes with the programmers of language calling a visual screen placed over the eyes a "virtual reality", another reality, an "almost" reality. Many decades of conditioning are here for us to see. However, a human sees with much more than the eyes.....

It is no wonder they took a flat canvas artist, whose entire professional life has been centered on creating the illusion of a 3-D world upon a 2-D canvas, to either be a shill or someone so enamoured of his own ego-laden and highly advanced skill (as he boasts, from the age of 3) to make the total mental leap into the illusion itself. (I could see a more advanced version of Jessica Rabbit popping up into his daydreams, what with the depth of his apparent delusions.)

This would be hard to do with a sculptor who deals with 3-D all of the time, especially when some of us use materials like clay, where there is such a depth of interaction, often multi-dimensional at that, that necessitates layers of response within and without the medium itself.

It would be wise when we spend so much time in 2-D activities to balance ourselves with the 3-D activities that naturally prompt even deeper experiences and interactions. Especially when those times are spent touching the earth and these living and giving intermediaries we call plants. These things we do within nature are the antithesis of living in a flat world. They are transcendent even when we are unaware of the vibrant interactions taking place in our exchanges.

Step back and consider the real world impact of how pervasive the acceptance of all of those 2-D images are and then guess why, now, programmers would like to get a measure of how effective their efforts have been.
As usual, their are many agendas wrapped up in most every single deception. This is just one measure of how they think, but it goes to the depth of their studies on the science of perception and how manipulative the agendas are.

[Zanshin]

Although this post doesn't address the question posed by the OP, perhaps this link would be a place to
start for all those flat-earthers who, as Bill suggests, appear completely incapable of rational application
of scientific method when forming their personal thesis re: the physical nature of their reality.

Nassim's unique 'layman's terms' approach to breaking down the holo-fractal nature of this reality should be
easy enough for anyone capable of discernment and critical thought to follow, regardless of their level
(or lack of) ability to apply basic principles of logic and reason and rely instead on others to spoon feed
them.
This could be right up there with the Coriolis effect TargeT - although the length of the presentation may
be daunting for some.

When I first saw this lecture I watched entranced from start to finish.

Took a punt that it had been uploaded to youtube and there it was - the number of views would suggest
though, that precious few flat-earthers have caught it - as yet.

Nassim presents his hypothesis of the fractal nature of reality from infinitely small to infinitely large spheres
-then he proceeds to examine the internal support structure for any sphere, including the use of gradually
more complex models, arriving finally at the dodecahedron (not sure if it's spelt that way).

He then demonstrates the symbology that permeates historical records showing clearly that this knowledge was
held by the ancients and recorded in stone for posterity.
= And he does it all in a beautifully humorous way.

Part 1 of 4 with the other 3 following in the youtube manner

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3EorbfotdiA

Hope this doesn't just encourage them as suggested by other posters -
sorry, just couldn't resist

[TargeT]

Posted by Zanshin (here)
completely incapable of rational application
of scientific method

I found it quite funny that you wrote those words and then mentioned N. Haramein; quite a few threads on him here.

I watched a lot of his stuff, he's pretty charismatic; but he makes some H U G E leaps and doesn't really follow the established empirical evidence route (scientific method).

so, maybe not the best example.

[Ernie Nemeth]

But I think we are winning, the FE crap flared up and died almost as fast (it's basically put down now) same with the Encryption BS... Hell it's almost enough to restore a bit of my faith in humanity.... in fact.

By FE I figure you mean the Keshe fiasco? Not the whole genre I hope.
Wade would have a meltdown.

[TargeT]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)

But I think we are winning, the FE crap flared up and died almost as fast (it's basically put down now) same with the Encryption BS... Hell it's almost enough to restore a bit of my faith in humanity.... in fact.

By FE I figure you mean the Keshe fiasco? Not the whole genre I hope.
Wade would have a meltdown.

I meant FE as in Flat Earth... haha... I lump Keshe right in there with the Flat Earth theory... he's still pulling around 200k (some as high as 700k, but those are the clickbait titled ones) views on his videos on Youtube so he's definitely still sucking peoples energy... but only a small amount; looking at google trends he's basically a nobody: https://www.google.com/trends/explor...=Etc%2FGMT%2B4


I'm ok with a small amount of people being tricked by Keshe, as energy (electricity) is a highly misunderstood phenomenon....

But Flat Earth? That lost momentum fast & is a subject I would expect the "average joe" to be able to grasp... & from what I've seen "average Joe" has weighed the topic and found it wanting...


This is based on youtube analysis... the highest viewed videos are refuting FE.. hell if you just search Flat Earth & sort by view count most the videos on the first few pages are refuting FE..... so the zietgiest currently supports the globe model over the flat model. (social media is a great way to see what the "average joe" is thinking..... and I'm not even in the CIA with all the facebook back doors at my fingertips!)........ In google Trends FE spiked in January and is rapidly heading to no-one-cares land: https://www.google.com/trends/explor...=Etc%2FGMT%2B4

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Basically don't bother presenting proof / evidence - it'll get this thread quickly closed after a bunch of nonsense that will insue; if one does not have the ability to evaluate your evidence objectively, based on existing known laws, it gets absolutely nowhere ... trust me If I had a dollar for the amount of times I have explained perspective, scale and sunbeams ... it doesn't work

That's why the Coriolis effect is such a good shut down,,, there's NO WAY you can explain that away with any FE theory... that's the "holy grail" of counter arguments from my findings.

You would think ...if one is able to properly understand the coriolis effect properly. Unfortunately the coriolis effect has been erroneously attributed to things like toilet flush direction, and curve compensation considerations by snipers for long range shots (which is actually most likely compensation for bullet spin - not coriolis), so often one has to first debunk the false associations with coriolis and then explain it properly. FEers have shown me water turning down a drain saying, "see! its backwards! coriolis is just another lie they tell us to support the sphere earth lie." ... Too much patience needed sometimes ...

More info on coriolis effect for those curious ... https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...direction-only

[TargeT]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Unfortunately the coriolis effect has been erroneously attributed to things like toilet flush direction,

Toilets: no... too small, too hard to measure... WATER DRAINING? Y E S!!! Weather patterns... . Hurricanes spin different directions depending on the northern or southern hemisphere.

Northern:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aDorTBEhEtk

Southern:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ihv4f7VMeJw

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Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
curve compensation considerations by snipers for long range shots (which is actually most likely compensation for bullet spin - not coriolis),

Posted by TargeT (here)
I'm a long range shooter (not much choice... military) and this is a very very real thing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jX7dcl_ERNs

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
FEers have shown me water turning down a drain saying, "see! its backwards! coriolis is just another lie they tell us to support the sphere earth lie." ... Too much patience needed sometimes ...

but water draining is effected, just not small bodies of water.

[uzn]

To let this thread end with pictures of toilets is pretty fitting

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Unfortunately the coriolis effect has been erroneously attributed to things like toilet flush direction,

Toilets: no... too small, too hard to measure... WATER DRAINING? Y E S!!! Weather patterns... . Hurricanes spin different directions depending on the northern or southern hemisphere.

Northern:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aDorTBEhEtk

Southern:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ihv4f7VMeJw

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
curve compensation considerations by snipers for long range shots (which is actually most likely compensation for bullet spin - not coriolis),

Posted by TargeT (here)
I'm a long range shooter (not much choice... military) and this is a very very real thing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jX7dcl_ERNs

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
FEers have shown me water turning down a drain saying, "see! its backwards! coriolis is just another lie they tell us to support the sphere earth lie." ... Too much patience needed sometimes ...

but water draining is effected, just not small bodies of water.

Not water draining. No drain big enough (if you had a giant drain many miles acroww, then maybe yes). In order for the coriolis effect to come into play, the system has to be large enough to produce a differential in speed between the north and south side of the system - as a result of the sphere spinning ; the side closest to the equator is moving faster than northern side (in case of hurricane), due to the fact that it is further from the sphere's rotation of axis. Without this differential in speed there is no coriolis effect. A system has to be at least many miles wide for there to be a significant enough difference in speed between the two sides of the system. No drain is a hundred miles wide. Check the link I posted and watch the video again. The way the effect is actually produced eliminates the possibility of this occurring (from a sphere earth) on any small or even medium scale. Of course I am talking where the coriolis effect creates a consistent output (for example, tropical storms moving either north or south), not where the force might exist in theory.

Trust me, I studied this a lot Nothing small scale can be attributed to a sphere-earth induced coriolis effect. If there is any strange phenenon that seems related - its not coriolis but perhaps something else.

UPDATE:
You're going to get stumped when a FEer shows you a video of a drain or toilette turning the "wrong way" and says ... "see, coriolis is just a lie created to support the sphere earth lie!" -- you have to understand more clearly the exact mechanism that causes it. If you understand coriolis properly, it is impossible to consider any small scale system being influenced by it because it is illogical.

Look here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=i2mec3vgeaI

Read this:
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html

And this:
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/B...riolisFAQ.html

And now watch a FEer use these erroneous attributions to "prove" that the Coriolis effect is just a lie to support the sphere earth lie.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=phj7RUP9oyY

Stop giving them ammo, understand it properly so it can be explained properly.

And finally, do note that the coriolis effect would still occur with a flat earth - if it was a spinning disk. The only difference would be that all the large storms in the world would only spin one direction. It is the fact that northern and southern tropical storms spin in opposite directions that proves the earth is a sphere - and not the fact that they spin with consistency.

[edina]

I was surprised to discover that the acronym of FE now means Flat Earth to people, instead of Free Energy.

To me FE still means Free Energy.

Translated to mean, "Where are all the much more intelligent energy systems that so many people patented?"
And how does CERN generate all those almost astronomical amounts of voltage, sort of energy? FE

Is FE(Flat Earth) now taking up more digital real estate than FE (Free Energy)?

Just wondering?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by edina (here)
I was surprised to discover that the acronym of FE now means Flat Earth to people, instead of Free Energy.

To me FE still means Free Energy.

Translated to mean, "Where are all the much more intelligent energy systems that so many people patented?"
And how does CERN generate all those almost astronomical amounts of voltage, sort of energy? FE

Is FE(Flat Earth) now taking up more digital real estate than FE (Free Energy)?

Just wondering?

I always interpret acronyms based around context, so no worry for me