The Billy Meier case: what's the truth?

[onawah]

This is the discussion I mentioned in the preceding post:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ewp6uWhLk

In the post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1056711
I outlined what was discussed including this:

Here's a little breakdown on what was discussed in the round table. ( I still have an hour to listen to, but will have to finish this later.)
About 28 minutes in, some discussion ensues which may explain why the Billy Meier case has been a false flag event, why it's been debunked so much, even in UFO circles, how it may have been linked to the Nazis and the Vrill and how ET races sometimes pretend to be something other than what they are.

[DNA]

Posted by onawah (here)
This is the discussion I mentioned in the preceding post:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ewp6uWhLk

In the post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1056711
I outlined what was discussed including this:

Here's a little breakdown on what was discussed in the round table. ( I still have an hour to listen to, but will have to finish this later.)
About 28 minutes in, some discussion ensues which may explain why the Billy Meier case has been a false flag event, why it's been debunked so much, even in UFO circles, how it may have been linked to the Nazis and the Vrill and how ET races sometimes pretend to be something other than what they are.

Just to clarify I didn't get my hypothesis from Parks or Collier.
And I certainly don't consider my hypothesis any more than an educated guess given the material we are all exposing ourselves too.
That being the case, if I can come up with this all by my little self, then I'm sure Parks and Collier can as well without having any information from off world sources.


And where as I try and keep a certain air of detachment from Meier, he has hands down the absolute best argument for an off world interaction.
Where as with Collier, I do not believe anything that comes out of his mouth. Nothing he has stated ever vetted as relevant, much less worthy of off worlders haven taken the time to travel here and speak to humanity. I'm of the opinion Collier has doctored the material of others (Meier included) and packaged it as his own.
Given my gut feeling for Collier lends me to believe he is an opportunist and of the lowest rung in the UFO field.


I gave Parks a fair shake and listened to his material, but he has nothing relevant either.
He may be an abductee, but I do not put him in the category of contactee. And don't even get me started on his take that he is the reincarnation of King Soloman. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.


All in all, it's almost never a good idea to use data from folks who consider themselves contactees in so far as it relates to Meier, because none of them can even come close to measuring up and as such there is almost always going to be jealousy and envy within and encapsulated in their messages.

[KiwiElf]

I stick to the original books and interviews which came out in the early 70's before the trolls and debunkers began interfering. The Japanese made several documentaries at the time. The whole Billy Meier case has been very muddied ever since... IMO. (And based on those earlier doco's, for what it's worth, I believe Billy is/was genuine)

[uzn]

Remember that when these photos were taken there was no Photoshop. Only thing one could do was take scissors and cut a picture, paste it ontop another and photograph again
Some of Meier´s Photos (around 1976):





source:http://www.figu.org/ch/ufologie/strahlschiffe

There is this Video on Youtube "Ufo Base in Brazil" which shows exactly the same Ufos like Meier but the speaker says thats the german afterwar Ufos.
I have no Idea if the Video is legit.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=m0z1qEnJwHg

Picture with more detail from first scene (0:01)

same houses:

That´s at 6:05 with a bit more detail:




Basically the same Ufo´s as seen above in the Billy Meier pictures!
Are they Germans or Pleyades ??? Or maybe they just happened to buy their crafts at the same manufacturer ???

[uzn]

Remember Photoshop came into the hands of people around 1985 !!! Before that Photomanipulation was mostly archived by scissors.


Here´s my favorite Photoshop Easteregg

they killed it with the Version CS5. It shows The allseeing Eye and Merlin The Developers of Photoshop knew that they were kneedeep into magic and mass manipulation. Just thing about it: You work on different levels. U use a magic wand to select stuff. There is even a magic lasso. One can fabricate the pictures others have in mind with it.

[Eram]

Posted by uzn (here)

There is this Video on Youtube "Ufo Base in Brazil" which shows exactly the same Ufos like Meier but the speaker says thats the german afterwar Ufos.
.....
Basically the same Ufo´s as seen above in the Billy Meier pictures!
Are they Germans or Pleyades ??? Or maybe they just happened to buy their crafts at the same manufacturer ???

Ar least with German afterwar ufo's, the recount of Billy's first contact with the being from the ufo would make more sense.

Posted by Eram (here)
At 6:50 into this docu, Billy States about his first communications with the Pleyaren woman: "You see,... The first she told me... I shall get the most, best pictures of UFO's what has ever happened on earth."

Now we are not dealing with an ET race that is hell bent on getting the truth out there about their existence, but more probably a "psy op" by nazi's from South America who are prepping Billy for who knows what.

[onawah]

My posting of any info from Parkes or Collier doesn't mean that I believe everything they say either, but I think it may be a useful process to examine what they say and determine what we can about why they might be saying it and if what they are saying might be true, largely because there are so many gullible people taking what they say at face value, and that can be a very dangerous situation.
It's tempting to believe some of what they say--that there are benevolent ETs/EDs who are here to help make everything OK for example, and that can be very dangerous, obviously, because it can make people complacent and dependent.
If they are being "handled" or controlled, with or without their knowledge, and if they are being used to make real contactee stories seem disreputable , it would be useful if we can determine why and by whom and shed some light on that.

(Of course, on the other hand, it might be a total waste of time and designed expressly to keep us from engaging in other, more useful tasks.
I waver between the two hypotheses quite a bit...)

Kerry expressed it nicely here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1061261

"So pay attention. Stop assuming that I agree with my witnesses number 1. And 2. stop assuming that ANYONE — regardless of which so-called lofty Angelic, ET, Channel, Elohim, Deity or Avatar they claim to speak for and be in contact with has the god almighty TRUTH. We all have a direct connection with Source / The Force or the Creator. As such be careful who you listen to. Because in spite of our birthright connection to source, many are deceived, mind controlled or simply being controlled and many don’t know it! Many sources of info are heavily infiltrated and purposely deceptive. Many are deluded. Some people have good sources and even their good sources may be misled on a higher level. Every whistleblower and source I deal with has both truth and falsity in their info. Some are extremely well intentioned. Sometimes the most well intentioned are the easiest ones to mislead. Because they see what they want to see and are blind to the rest. Many of the Camelot whistleblowers who worked or still work for the military or secret space program or Illuminati secret societies or others are also trained from a young age to view reality in a certain way. And they have assumed a belief structure (without questioning) without even knowing it."

"For example, some of the whistleblowers I have dealt with are brilliant in the truth they provide while at the same time firmly believing in nonsense"...etc.

and

"I suggest that people stop looking for the final word or truth to be given to them on a silver platter without questioning the source and their sources and the sources behind them! Stop believing in the lofty notion of the the sources behind sources and think for yourself. Use your direct channel to the highest source and your own higher self. Stand back and observe. Blindly follow no one and question everything. Stay alert and awake. It’s a grand experiment and you are here NOW."

And Araucaria's post gives a lot of food for thought as to how we can engage in this process most intelligently: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1059762


Can you tell us where you got the info that Parkes said he is the reincarnation of King Solomon?
I don't recall him ever saying that, in fact, I think he denied it, though I know he did claim that he was the original Adam hybrid genetically engineered by the Annunaki.
As for Meier, from what I have seen of his material, my own take is that he filmed UFOs, but they were such primitive UFOs that it seems likely they were German made.
And as for fantastic claims, didn't he actually claim he is the reincarnation of Jesus?

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
This is the discussion I mentioned in the preceding post:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ewp6uWhLk

In the post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1056711
I outlined what was discussed including this:

Here's a little breakdown on what was discussed in the round table. ( I still have an hour to listen to, but will have to finish this later.)
About 28 minutes in, some discussion ensues which may explain why the Billy Meier case has been a false flag event, why it's been debunked so much, even in UFO circles, how it may have been linked to the Nazis and the Vrill and how ET races sometimes pretend to be something other than what they are.

Just to clarify I didn't get my hypothesis from Parks or Collier.
And I certainly don't consider my hypothesis any more than an educated guess given the material we are all exposing ourselves too.
That being the case, if I can come up with this all by my little self, then I'm sure Parks and Collier can as well without having any information from off world sources.


And where as I try and keep a certain air of detachment from Meier, he has hands down the absolute best argument for an off world interaction.
Where as with Collier, I do not believe anything that comes out of his mouth. Nothing he has stated ever vetted as relevant, much less worthy of off worlders haven taken the time to travel here and speak to humanity. I'm of the opinion Collier has doctored the material of others (Meier included) and packaged it as his own.
Given my gut feeling for Collier lends me to believe he is an opportunist and of the lowest rung in the UFO field.


I gave Parks a fair shake and listened to his material, but he has nothing relevant either.
He may be an abductee, but I do not put him in the category of contactee. And don't even get me started on his take that he is the reincarnation of King Soloman. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.


All in all, it's almost never a good idea to use data from folks who consider themselves contactees in so far as it relates to Meier, because none of them can even come close to measuring up and as such there is almost always going to be jealousy and envy within and encapsulated in their messages.

[Shannon]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
This is the discussion I mentioned in the preceding post:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ewp6uWhLk

In the post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1056711
I outlined what was discussed including this:

Here's a little breakdown on what was discussed in the round table. ( I still have an hour to listen to, but will have to finish this later.)
About 28 minutes in, some discussion ensues which may explain why the Billy Meier case has been a false flag event, why it's been debunked so much, even in UFO circles, how it may have been linked to the Nazis and the Vrill and how ET races sometimes pretend to be something other than what they are.

Just to clarify I didn't get my hypothesis from Parks or Collier.
And I certainly don't consider my hypothesis any more than an educated guess given the material we are all exposing ourselves too.
That being the case, if I can come up with this all by my little self, then I'm sure Parks and Collier can as well without having any information from off world sources.


And where as I try and keep a certain air of detachment from Meier, he has hands down the absolute best argument for an off world interaction.
Where as with Collier, I do not believe anything that comes out of his mouth. Nothing he has stated ever vetted as relevant, much less worthy of off worlders haven taken the time to travel here and speak to humanity. I'm of the opinion Collier has doctored the material of others (Meier included) and packaged it as his own.
Given my gut feeling for Collier lends me to believe he is an opportunist and of the lowest rung in the UFO field.


I gave Parks a fair shake and listened to his material, but he has nothing relevant either.
He may be an abductee, but I do not put him in the category of contactee. And don't even get me started on his take that he is the reincarnation of King Soloman. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.


All in all, it's almost never a good idea to use data from folks who consider themselves contactees in so far as it relates to Meier, because none of them can even come close to measuring up and as such there is almost always going to be jealousy and envy within and encapsulated in their messages.

I really like your post. I have to agree on a lot of it. Let me ask this, did Simon really say he is King Solomon reincarnated?
*facepalm

Please can you post the source of where he said this. I need to hear it! Thank you in advance

Onawah, I posted before I read the thread and you asked the same question

[DNA]

Posted by Eram (here)
Now we are not dealing with an ET race that is hell bent on getting the truth out there about their existence, but more probably a "psy op" by nazi's from South America who are prepping Billy for who knows what.

Hi Eram

I love our pursuit here and our logical jumps we are making.

I might add this though.

Those Germans who were once Nazis may not be Nazis anymore.

For me being a Nazi is a philosophy. And I don't know if the folks we have seen appearing for Meier, if they are in fact Germans from the South Pole would in fact be Nazis anymore.

If the Admiral Byrd story is true, and he attacked those Germans within the Antarctic base and suffered a complete and utter defeat at the hands of those Germans doesn't that tell you something?

It tells me something.
It tells me that those same Germans only defended themselves, and they did not turn around and attack the United States to teach us a lesson for attacking them. They apparently let it go. As they did being defeated in the second world war.

Are the Germans in Antarctica contacting other space faring peoples? Have they learned things from those peoples?
Did the Germans in Antarctica begin archeological excavations of the facility they took over, only to find incredible secrets both historical and spiritual?
I think it possible.
The folks talking to Meier displayed a deep and benevolent personality. As if they were aware of certain truths the rest of the world is not privy to.

So as to summarize, if there are indeed Germans living on/in the South Pole I do not think or know that we should still refer to them as Nazis.

Also, if in fact they are the ones who visited Meier I do not know if we would refer to it as a psyop.
There is a lot of good information in the Meier material.
And by good I mean prophetic in terms of get our act together or else.
It could be that they indeed wished for the world to hear a message but that they did not wish to disclose or reveal their own situation in our world.

I for one to not feel as if I have been mislead in my readings of the Meier material.
And I still feel I would recommend the reading of it to others.

Just my 2 cents.

[onawah]

DNA, can you tell us where you got the info that Parkes said he is the reincarnation of King Solomon?
I don't recall him ever saying that, in fact, I think he denied it, though I know he did claim that he was the original Adam hybrid genetically engineered by the Annunaki.
As for Meier, from what I have seen of his material, my own take is that he filmed UFOs, but they were such primitive UFOs that it seems likely they were German made.
And as for fantastic claims, didn't Meiers actually claim he is the reincarnation of Jesus?

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Eram (here)
Now we are not dealing with an ET race that is hell bent on getting the truth out there about their existence, but more probably a "psy op" by nazi's from South America who are prepping Billy for who knows what.

Hi Eram

I love our pursuit here and our logical jumps we are making.

I might add this though.

Those Germans who were once Nazis may not be Nazis anymore.

For me being a Nazi is a philosophy. And I don't know if the folks we have seen appearing for Meier, if they are in fact Germans from the South Pole would in fact be Nazis anymore.

If the Admiral Byrd story is true, and he attacked those Germans within the Antarctic base and suffered a complete and utter defeat at the hands of those Germans doesn't that tell you something?

It tells me something.
It tells me that those same Germans only defended themselves, and they did not turn around and attack the United States to teach us a lesson for attacking them. They apparently let it go. As they did being defeated in the second world war.

Are the Germans in Antarctica contacting other space faring peoples? Have they learned things from those peoples?
Did the Germans in Antarctica begin archeological excavations of the facility they took over, only to find incredible secrets both historical and spiritual?
I think it possible.
The folks talking to Meier displayed a deep and benevolent personality. As if they were aware of certain truths the rest of the world is not privy to.

So as to summarize, if there are indeed Germans living on/in the South Pole I do not think or know that we should still refer to them as Nazis.

Also, if in fact they are the ones who visited Meier I do not know if we would refer to it as a psyop.
There is a lot of good information in the Meier material.
And by good I mean prophetic in terms of get our act together or else.
It could be that they indeed wished for the world to hear a message but that they did not wish to disclose or reveal their own situation in our world.

I for one to not feel as if I have been mislead in my readings of the Meier material.
And I still feel I would recommend the reading of it to others.

Just my 2 cents.

[DNA]

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)
I really like your post. I have to agree on a lot of it. Let me ask this, did Simon really say he is King Solomon reincarnated?
*facepalm

Please can you post the source of where he said this. I need to hear it! Thank you in advance

Onawah, I posted before I read the thread and you asked the same question

I chose to side step most of this hoopla, as such I'm not a great source for this, but given you have posted your question maybe some other folks will PM you and Onawah with a more complete version of the answer.

I will not implicate anyone or name names. But from what I've been told, and I absolutely believe these folks who have come forward, during therapy/counseling sessions that usually start over the phone I've been told that this individual will tell folks he is the reincarnated King Soloman and that they and I say they for there have been several, that they were one of King Soloman's wives and in order for their therapy/counseling to be complete they will need to see said councilor, in person.

This in itself wouldn't be so bad I suppose but the individual is then told that in order for their healing to be complete they need to take it to the next level. I'll leave it to your imagination in so far as what that entails, but being as they used to be married and all they are informed that this should be okay.

These people who have come forward to tell their stories have been attacked by said person verbally and threatened with a law suit should they continue to tell their story/stories. I've seen all of this transpire in real time in another forum (not Avalon) designed so as to try and be this forums sister. The forum is referred to as TOT or The One Truth.

[Biff]

Meier hoaxed too many photos for me to put any credence into his story. I don't understand how anyone could believe him beyond just the hoax photos.

"Billy Meier claims that he was a former Assassin, a hired paid murder and thug, yet these ETs chose him as the most spiritually evolved person on the planet to be Earth's sole ambassador to the stars??? It doesn't make a lot of sense. In fact, it doesn't make any sense and is completely contradictory and illogical."

http://alienscientist.com/meier.html

[onawah]

Thanks DNA. And as someone more familiar with the case than I , has Billy Meier claimed that he is the reincarnation of Jesus?

[Biff]

Posted by onawah (here)
Thanks DNA. And as someone more familiar with the case than I , has Billy Meier claimed that he is the reincarnation of Jesus?

http://theyflyblog.com/2011/07/22/re...-jesus-christ/

[DNA]

And as for fantastic claims, didn't Meiers actually claim he is the reincarnation of Jesus?

He did.

But to Meier's credit he supports reincarnation and states that the current bible is a crude bastardization of the original document. And you want to know something crazy?

Meier collaborated with an archeologist to uncover the original book of Mathew.

The book is called "The Talmud of Emmanuel".

And just to say it to say it, it appears vested interests have worked to suppress the work. For instance the archeologist who worked with Meier to uncover it was killed.


Just saying. This causes you to wonder. Is Meier making this stuff up and if so not only is he the worlds best UFO model maker and photographer he is also a world class forger of ancient documents and he happens to be able to speak ancient Aramaic and he is a creative author capable of writing a plausible story about Jesus Christ.

[onawah]

Well, to put in a nutshell what Kerry has said about so many whistleblowers, it's often a case of six of one and half dozen of the other.

There have been private conversations conducted on Avalon about some of Simon's private sessions with women that I have been privy to, but none of the claims that were made against Simon have been substantiated with any material proof, to my knowledge.
If someone recorded a Skype session during which he made claims about being King Solomon reincarnated, or had recorded inappropriate interactions with counseling clients, that would certainly be different and should be aired, but I can certainly see why few if any would want to expose themselves in that way, too.

[DNA]

Posted by Biff (here)
Meier hoaxed too many photos for me to put any credence into his story. I don't understand how anyone could believe him beyond just the hoax photos.

Meier has been the subject of intense attention from the intelligence communities of atleast the United States and Switzerland.
A US intelligence operative came forward and wrote a letter to Wendelle Stevens in so far as how he and the intelligence community interfered with photos and negatives. This interference included by was not limited to the "taking" of the best photos and replacing them with "fakes". Wendelle Stevens being himself a retired Colonial from the airforce I could understand such a person taking the time to write him.

Here is the document in full as Wendelle Stevens placed it in the book "UFO CONTACT FROM THE PLIEADIES".

taken from-

Contact from the Pleiades



**********

LETTER FROM A SECURITY AGENT:



Wendelle C. Stevens

Lt. Col., USAF (Ret)

Care of:

GENESIS 3 Publishing Inc

P.O. Drawer JJ, Munds Park.AZ 89017

Dear Mr Stevens

A friend of mine, Tom Farr, dropped off a copy of MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES. I found it very Interesting. Tom had previously given me another book about Billy Meier, which was also interesting.

The following is information you might find interesting. The American Government did what could be called an extensive soft touch investigation of Billy, when he first attracted public attention to himself, to find out if the contact was in fact for real. The Decision was in his favor. It was extensive investigation, because of the unusual features in Billy´s case.

Billy, as an individual, and a citizen of another country, had an American intelligence gathering organization look him over from ass hole to appetite. He passed the inspection rather well, but has not gone off the deep end, as predicted by the personality profile done on him. It of course goes without saying that he had the intelligence gathering community of his own country look him over.

The American investigation was of the light touch vanity (forfenglighet), meaning use no force, make no scars, and leave no traces of the investigation. Which is to say play tourist, pack a camera, and take a lot of pictures, tell a lot of lies, and ask a lot of questions. Host countries(vertslandets-) intelligence systems get pissed(lei), if they catch you screwing off on their turf. So do not accuse us of any break-ins, and that type of thing, because it happened back in the days when Billy was in fact liberal with what he gave away. Your book indicates that he has up-graded his record keeping since the early days.

In the other book on Billy there was a big deal about the films, and having them tested. In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that. The way we got copies of Billy´s pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives, at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy´s name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

All intelligence communities are well aware that vast volumes of bull **** comes and goes in the UFO contactee game, as part of turf(dekke) but pictures make strong evidence, which is almost impossible to fake. Because pictures are the quickest way to find who in fact is telling the truth, they often get stolen. Or, why screw around with the bull ****, when the proof is in the film. The Intelligence gathering people are also aware of how to intercept mail, and bribe (bestikke) store owners. When the bribe was set up we did not know how agreeable Billy was going to be about passing out samples.

In the book you touched on one of the most important of all things about UFO´s, and may not have realized the true importance, to the history of UFOs, in what you said.

Page 219; "The visitor anticipated............and they immediately associated them with the Anti-Christ, of Christian literature and wanted nothing more to do with the situation."

The problem that Billy had with Karl Veit of Wiesbaden, is the key to understanding most of the American Government and Western Europe Government´s approach to UFO´s. In 1945, when it was first proven that UFO´s were real from space, operated by intelligent being, most of whom where human in form, the American Government did a soft touch check to see what the great unwashed public would say, and how the public would respond to UFO´s, and space people, if the President informed the public over National radio.

The results of the investigation would truly frost a thinking mans´ balls. The public´s response was all bad. 97% of the public took one of two approaches. Shoot first and ask questions later. Or call the UFO´S agents of the devil, the prince of the power of the air, the ant-Christ, and set up an even worse situation, where UFOs would became a real negative religious issue. What was surprising was the response of the Religious leadership, which was by far worse than the general public´s response. It could only be called grim news.

The science community showed no leadership at all, just a super case of stupidity, and prejudice.

As you might guess, the original investigations were by military men, under orders from General Marshal, under the direction of the President. And if you know your military men, finding one who wants to get into a fight with the preachers, over what is, or is not the Anti-Christ, when neither the military man, nor the preacher know a hell of a lot of factual information about either the Ant-Christ, or the UFOs, would be a lot like sending a blind person out to spot UFO´s. Just as soon as the blind man spots the first UFO, the military will get into the fight with the preachers over the Anti-Christ.

To say that the military seriously avoided the potential conflict with the religious community would be an understatement. To say that the military community successfully avoided a fight with the religious community over UFOs would be an accurate observation. To say that the military was real damned sneaky (fordømt lusket) about how they informed the public about UFOs, would also be an accurate observation.

The military mind will draw conclusions that the religious mind will not. The military mind quickly figured out that if the UFO´s wanted to take over the world, they had the speed, science, and fire power to do so. Hence, the military concluded UFO´s were working by other rules. The general nature of the rules the individuals in the UFOs would be working under, could be projected, based on previous contact records, however skimpy the records.

In other words, the military figured it was a safe assumption that the UFOs would not radically change their actions in modern times, but would stick with the casual and miss system of the past.

The military mind drew one conclusion. The single most important thing to do in the situation it was in, namely sitting on some hot, highly controversial information, was to keep the general public from a bad response by controlling the public´s response to UFOs. In other words keep that damned religious mentality out of the issues involved, as long as possible.

But, do not ever say that the military never did anything about informing the public about the existence of UFO´s. That will mean you have not figured out the methods used by the Government to spread the word about UFOs. You might say the military took the Bible´s advice about not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

The Military pulled the very same trick that Moses pulled, when he did not like the attitude of his troops, after crossing the Red Sea. He took the time to grow a new batch troops, who´s response and thinking was more to his liking. And that is what the military did about UFO´s.

The military also found a problem as bad, or worse, than the religious mind. Have you have ever noticed, Scientist are about as bad as the preachers, when it comes to UFO´s? Especially in the old days. What you missed is the little detail that Scientist, of the old pre-UFO school, got their basic concept of the Universe from an insane preacher: A Catholic Pope. That basic concept is the idea that man is alone in the Universe, and the only intelligent life in the universe.

Going into the dark ages all societies leaving records, in any amount, left some kind of UFO record. Those that left verbal histories left verbal records of UFOs. In effect it was known prior to the Dark Ages that man was not alone in the Universe, that other intelligent beings were out there screwing around. Even the damned cave and rock drawings show UFO activity.

The Greeks and the Romans also knew that the world was round. The Greeks had even tried to measure the size of the earth using wells and sun light.

The insane Catholic Pope decided that he was the most important thing in the Universe, and that the Universe revolved around him. The basic idea that the world was flat was imposed upon the world by an insane Pope, which in effect made the earth the Center of the universe.. That Pope also expanded on the powers of the Pope, in effect saying that he was not only at the center of the Universe, he was all that was good, smart, and holy at the center of the Universe.

That pope also pitched the idea that man was alone in the Universe. That of course left the Pope the smartest man in the Universe. When the Science-Religion fight of the early science days started, science in general won out. The one idea that the Scientist took from an insane Pope, which they loved as an idea, and used as there very own idea, was the idea that man is alone in the Universe. The idea that man is alone in the Universe, if valid, would the make Scientist the smartest, and best educated beings in the Universe. The Science community´s response to the coming of UFOs, and the possible drop in status from the smartest thing in the Universe, was somewhat worse than the religious communities response to UFOs. UFOs rather obviously, put the modern scientist in the position of being a backward person in knowledge, on a backward world. And farther insulted the scientist, by not bothering to make any contact with him. Few, if any of the scientist involved gave up their status, as the smartest and best educated beings in the universe, willingly. Most of the older ones died with that idea in their head. The idea, man was the only intelligent life in the Universe.

The existence of UFOs - truly lowers the status of the religious and scientific leaders of the world. They resisted such a lowering in their status, particularly the scientist. And here I should clear something up. Mention the word intelligence gathering community, and most people go into some kind of potty training shock, and think they have gone back to messing their pants, and are about to be caught at it. Doing what is called spying on people is an expensive and time consuming operation, generally involving a lot of people. It is surprising how many people think that they have some kind of secret, that makes them worth spying on. Casual surveillance, or simple information gathering, can be done much cheaper. The total amount of information needed, to make a high degree of accuracy decision, about someone like Billy, is in fact not as much as a person would imagine.

In effect, in the early days, if you showed up at Billy´s place, knowing enough about good manners, to bring as much food as you eat, wash as many dishes as you get dirty, and just help around the house, or yard a bit. It was possible to get all the UFO information desired from Billy, and be treated as a respected guest.

Looking into Billy with a professional eye will quickly show that there are a couple of things, which are not "totally normal" for this type of contact. The screw ball hours, and the many changes in location, make it somewhat different from most contacts, which generally proceed on a casual, but regular bases, with some consideration for the contactee. Billy probably holds the record for more bad weather contacts than anyone else. His case has some screwball features, but it had some very good pictures.

In a shared UFO information pool with other Countries, including India, it was noticed that Billy got his contacts whenever a woman, the Indians were watching, was missing. It was speculated that Billy´s female contact could have been one of two women that the India authorities were watching. One was a tall dark haired woman with a very fair completion who, according to what the Indians could find out had been working an area for about 200 years. The other woman was a short, some what dumpy blond, with kind of a flat face. Every time the dumpy blond left India, Billy had a contact. Because the Indian surveillance was of the soft touch type, and far from complete, nothing was ever established. But, for a period of about 2 to 3 years there was a one-to-one relationship between the blond leaving India and Billy having a contact.

And there is something else you might figure out, or work on. It is Billy stumbling onto Military men looking at his contact sites. For all their science, the clowns in the UFO do not always work out every thing to perfection.

As a military officer you were exposed to a few classes in physics. As the book says about the rocks and the gold, the physics are the same, this world, or some other. That means that what is known, about physics here, will also apply up there.

The UFO is has a power source, which is obviously related to gravity, and electro magnetic properties of physics. That is all packed into a small space and effects the world around it. Add to that some cloaking device, and a few stray things, and you have a ship, which will give off a few things in the line of radiation. If the dogs can spot the UFOs, then use dogs, which we did around some military and science bases In the early days. If the TV flutters when one comes by, start from there for making a detection device.

It logically follows that about the time that the Governments got into the business of knowing about UFOs, they also got into learning how to detect the things, when they flew by. And it was a dog, who´s action told us that flying saucer had clocking devices. It did not turn out to be all that hard to make a detection device. The Swiss Government has such devices and obviously uses them.

The last time I had anything to do with such devices, which was a long time ago, and the devices where physically very large because their radios had vacuum tubes, they could be rigged to do several different things, and the American Government was screwing with a model that would give the general direction the UFO was traveling. By now they could be the size of a pack of smokes, and give direction along with the make and model of the UFO. me In the late 50s we could define between about four types of UFOs based on how they effected our devices. If I remember some of the information coming out of Billy´s area, the DALs would normally send out a couple of other ships to scout the area, some time several days in advance, before the contact ship showed up. At that time the devices the Swiss had, could tell the difference between the two types of ships normally used. It could also tell the difference between several of the small ball-shaped probes that might be sent out.

I know it to be a fact that the Swiss Government has contact with Space people. But, like all such contacts, the restriction on who knows about it comes from space. The Swiss in fact probably have the best contact of any country in the world. But, that is speculation on my part.

And here I might should add something. Within the Governments of the world, how many I do not know, but based on the patterns, probably most of the reasonable governments, there has been contact from space. But, within any government there will exist two possible sets of information. Those who study UFOs, from the ground looking up, and trade some types of information some times, and those who are in the direct contact position. The two are not necessarily the same person, or department.

I know it to be a fact, having talked to a man who made the trip with him, that Ike had dinner on a space ship. I also know that the Queen of England has been on a space ship, once for medical treatment.

You mentioned something in passing that was interesting. It was your being "spied" on. I have no idea as to who is doing what to whom in your case. But, I do know that there was once a proposal put out to step on UFO investigators, and contactees a little bit, to keep the field from expanding too much, so the real contacts would not be lost in the pure bull ****.

As some one who has been in government, you can probably spot the conflicting, and over lapping authorities, that tend to keep showing up in cases like your self. You never out right ask the question, "what the hell´s Naval Intelligence doing in UFOs, but if you do, they were the "initiating authority" in the solution to the problem of the old FOO Fighters of WW2, and the boys who proved UFOs were from space. Once an Intelligence gathering community gets the initiating authority status in a field, especially if the job is dumped onto them, they are damned hard to pry out of that field.

Within the structure of the American UFO community there are a lot of stories running around. If you ever have the time and the chance, or inclination, you might look up the one piece of semi-hard evidence about a crashed UFO. It is the Brownsville, Texas saucer, which was a very old case. Dating back to right after WW2.

That ship came wobbling by Army Air Force base going about ten miles an hour. They first picked it up on radar, when It was about 40 miles away, which gave them vast amounts of time. Then with field glass as It approached, and finally as a visual. They had enough time that they were able to get a chase plane up in the air to follow the saucer to where it crashed, about ten miles deep in Mexico. Their first action was to get a parachute rigger into a plane, and jump him out over the crash site with a stencil and a can of Red Paint, to mark USAAF on the side of the saucer, so we could claim it was ours - in case the Mexicans showed up.

That ship was dragged back to the US by a cat. It left one hell of a skid trail. From the ground the skid trail can not be seen, because the government paid some Indians $5,000.0O0 to replant the ground. and hid all traces of that drag trail. But it can be seen from the air.

If seen from the air, it will be a very straight line that is almost due North and South. At the South end of the skid trail, there is an East-West gully, and just South of the gully is a small ridge, or very little hill. The small hill has a north south ridge on it. The saucer came to rest on the East side of that ridge up against the slope of the hill, or at the base of the very little hill.

Because the drag trail could be seen from the air the Indians were hired to make other trails on the ground, as a confusion factor. The true drag trail is the only straight one in the group.

This letter is long enough. Lots of luck with what you are doing.

Respectfully .....................(name deleted)

Posted by Biff (here)
"Billy Meier claims that he was a former Assassin, a hired paid murder and thug, yet these ETs chose him as the most spiritually evolved person on the planet to be Earth's sole ambassador to the stars??? It doesn't make a lot of sense. In fact, it doesn't make any sense and is completely contradictory and illogical."

http://alienscientist.com/meier.html

From what I've heard he only hunted down the worst kind of murders, rapists and serial killers.
I personally won't hold that against him.

[Biff]

Posted by DNA (here)

And as for fantastic claims, didn't Meiers actually claim he is the reincarnation of Jesus?

He did.

But to Meier's credit he supports reincarnation and states that the current bible is a crude bastardization of the original document. And you want to know something crazy?

Meier collaborated with an archeologist to uncover the original book of Mathew.

The book is called "The Talmud of Emmanuel".

And just to say it to say it, it appears vested interests have worked to suppress the work. For instance the archeologist who worked with Meier to uncover it was killed.


Just saying. This causes you to wonder. Is Meier making this stuff up and if so not only is he the worlds best UFO model maker and photographer he is also a world class forger of ancient documents and he happens to be able to speak ancient Aramaic and he is a creative author capable of writing a plausible story about Jesus Christ.

We're supposed to to take billy meier's word about finding the scrolls, where this man hoaxed photos and proved his dishonesty...

"Some questions are pertinent to this find story:

The location of the cave is not given. Why?

Why are there no records of the alleged excavation, and no information about what finds were made and how (in what scientific way) they supported the genuineness of the alleged scrolls?

Why are we not given any information about Rashid? What was his full name? Where was he ordained? Under which bishop did he serve as a priest? The churches keep records which should verify at least that he existed.

The letter from Rashid speaks of him travelling with his family. Where are they today? They ought to be able to verify some of the information about him.

At which university did Rashid learn Aramaic? Universities keep records, so we should be able to verify not only that Rashid existed but also what subjects he studied.

How did Rashid get to know Eduard Meier? Why did he select Meier and no-one else as his coworker in the manuscript publishing?

Since he had the scrolls for 11 years, why did he not make a single photograph or xerox copy of them?

How did “the church” and the Jews find out about his manuscript find?

How could the “church” or the Jews know that the scrolls contained material that would be damaging to their religions, when not an iota of the material had been published and the only two people who had seen the scrolls were Rashid and Meier?

Is it consistent with what we know of church and Israeli behaviour in other cases when faced with other manuscript finds, that they try to suppress them or murder the finders?

The answer to all these questions is simple and obvious. The cave, Rashid and the scrolls never existed."

https://questionyourreality.wordpres...uel-is-a-hoax/

http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.c...r_jmmanuel.htm

[Biff]

I look at Billy Meier like a Blavatsky figure. Geniuses, but pathological liars. Anyway, I didn't know about the Talmud until today, so I find this thread interesting.

[Cidersomerset]

Billy Meier, born February 3, 1937, is a citizen of Switzerland where they speak ,
German,French and Italian in the different cantons that make up the Swiss federation.

A farmer born in the town of Bulach in the Swiss Lowlands, Eduard "Billy" Meier's
claimed his first extraterrestrial contacts occurred in 1942 at the age of five with an
elderly extraterrestrial human man named Sfath. Contacts with Sfath lasted until
1953.

http://www.crystalinks.com/billy_meier.html


Askets ship 1964

http://www.meiersaken.info/UFO_case.html

If the German NAZIS had this tech in 1942 the war would have been over before
the US war machine was able to turn the tide , which became the Mil ind complex
Eisenhower warned about.

Billy also said when they researched the German language to speak to him they
were using a 'high German' dialect .But most communication came from telepathic
or information downloads.

I don't know all the ins and outs of Billys story but the early material and
investigation seems genuine to me. Of course it could be hoax , but I don't get that
vibe. Billy will be probably leaving this plane in the next decade or so and
it will be interesting if we get real undisputable disclosure about the Plejaren
before he goes. Many others say disclosure has already happened unofficially and
ET has always been here and probably had a hand in creating homo sapien sapien,
( us ) from earlier indigenous hominoid mixing with their DNA.

There are many directions you can go as there are now many researchers on
the various themes that we are not alone in the universe and never have been.
I have contradicting views on this subject depending on whose material you
read/watch and quote. But I am pretty sure we are not alone and never have been,
Can I prove that ? no but I cannot prove a lot of things but I 'believe' they are
probably true given the amount of witness and research coming to light......