I agree, suffering is of course a necessary part of spiritual growth - the survival of the fittest, the conquering of personal challenges and fears, in rising above them all for forward progression to take place, and thus personal evolution - but it only has a certain degree of effectiveness. The lower astral realms are full of damaged and inert souls where negative, regressive activities, blown out of all proportion, has not progressed them one iota.Posted by Hawkwind (here)
As for suffering not being necessary for spiritual growth, it appears as though the universe disagrees. Again, to paraphrase Ram Dass- once we discover where we want to go (back to union with universal consciousness/God), all we want is to get rid of the things which keep us separate (greed, lust, hate, sloth, etc.). Well, what better motivation for ridding ourselves of such things than to incarnate into a world full of them and their consequences? ...
What I was getting at was, these 'suffering experiences', and the environment in which humanity works through these suffering experiences, needn't be so ignorant, dark, and brutal. War, abuse, torture, murder, rape, persecution and just general wanton violence is not, and never has been, a prerequisite for evolution - for any species. Ever. If it were, they would be vaunted and widely cherished tools across the Universe, through which everyone can benefit and eventually enjoy, knowing the rewards. The path of spiritual development is indeed about ridding ourselves of the things that keep us separate, as you say, but the way hence need not be so vicious, and so long.
I don't fault Universal Law, just Mankind - it's free will run amok. It inflicts all this crap on itself, and all it does, I repeat, is instil a hopeless, endless incarnation cycle of repeating karmic effects. History shows this. Mankind has been at war with itself since first he picked up a club or a rock to beat his neighbour on the head, thousands of years ago. What evolution has he made in all these millennia? He has learned to make bigger clubs, and find harder rocks, and still he beats his neighbour on the head. This is not progression, this is the wheel of karma that just keeps on spinning, and it leads nowhere except more and more needless suffering.
The action of violence in of itself is not progression or growth. It proves nothing, serves nothing, and solves nothing. The only jump in evolution it will and can ever serve to humanity is the realisation, one day, that it isn't necessary. When Man throws down his weapons, that will enact an evolutionary transition, ending the loop at long last. Then really big changes (and progression) can happen, and bigger and bigger evolutionary jumps! But as long as the human psyche remains wholly ignorant of spiritual reality, or even basic fundamental truths such as karma, he probably will never break out of the abused/abuser pattern.
I understand what you're saying and partly agree. But if God is dreaming up the Universe, and everything in it is a dream, then it's not just our 'physical reality' that is an illusion, is it. If there is another 'greater' layer of reality above us, then it must also be an illusion, because there must also be another 'even greater' layer of reality above it. And all the other dimensions must in fact also be illusions. The Spirit realm is therefore another type of illusion. Even the highest angelic spheres of reality are different facets of dream and illusion. Etc. Perhaps God himself/herself/itself is a dream, a dream of something greater, further, higher, than anything we can imagine: an over-God, a Super-God - which is itself just another dream/illusion of something beyond even that... and so it goes on. You really can go on forever, but you can never get very far with that idea. The truth as I personally see It? All that reality really is is dimensions (possibly an infinite number) each vibrating at a different rate. That's it. And we are each an individuated 'consciousness', sliding through these dimensions, from one grade to the next. But no one of these dimensions (even this slow, dark one) is any less 'real' than another.Posted by Hawkwind (here)
At least from my current level of understanding, the physical universe is a manifestation of a single consciousness. From the perspective of that consciousness, time and space (at least as they apply to the physical universe) are abstractions. They exist only from the perspective(s) of consciousness incarnate within that universe; more or less characters in a dream examining the nature of the dream they find themselves in. From the perspective of the dreamer, the world isn't making any progress and is, in fact, entirely illusory in nature. From the perspective of this particular character in this particular dream at this particular time and place, however, it seems as though the world is approaching some sort of cataclysmic end, (a dis-illusion as it were). From the perspective of the dreamer, this is merely an awakening. From the perspective of the characters in the dream, their world is literally coming apart. To the extent that we continue to identify with our individuated, egoic consciousness we suffer. To the extent that we identify with the unified consciousness underlying individuated consciousnesses as our true nature, we are free from suffering.
'Reality as an illusion' as an idea, is only useful when one comes to the realisation that there is something else beyond it, and above it.
This reality is a thick, dense, slowly vibrating physical incarnation matrix, and it is perhaps the lowest and deepest form of separation there is. But it's a dimension, therefore a slice of a great reality, a part of the greater whole. But it's still reality, one just as valid as any other - especially to us who are stuck here! Bottom line, metaphysics is great as a thought experiment. But we only have third dimensional tools (the ability to only think with a three dimensional brain, which itself only has three dimensional 'reality' as a frame of reference), so we can never really grasp the big picture. This is reality, because it's the only reality we know while we're here.
Exactly. This is why we're in the state we're in. The powers that be, the ultimate high-end of the power elite who pull all the strings, don't want things to change. They love the status quo.Posted by Hawkwind (here)
Read the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion. It lays out exactly how corrupt politicians are put into positions of power and how non-corrupt ones are removed. Basically, control the media and use it to control public opinion. Support politicians who are willing to tow the line, using blackmail and bribery as needed. Undermine politicians who aren't willing to kowtow.
I understand where you're coming from. But they could have kept us all on steam, gas lamps, and coal-burning stoves from 100+ years ago. But we were given electricity, a world-changing new technology. What's more, not long after that, we were given a potentially world-breaking super-technology: atomic power. Of course nuclear energy can be dangerous, a real threat to the Earth, and all of us, when mishandled. But even this terrible danger was not a concern to the elite. Their only concern was how do energy companies benefit? How much profit can be made? Tons of it, as it turns out. I do not believe they fear Free Energy due to any potential harm it might do to us or this planet. Not for a minute. They do not give a jacks**t about us, the Earth, nor anything...but profit. 'Unlimited Power' they would have a handle on if need be, by regulating it carefully (like nuclear) so it could not be abused, either commercially or privately. The only reason it hasn't been rolled out is simply, purely, down to the fact that Free Energy, by definition of it being free, cannot be monetarized. There is no profit in it, certainly none that would come anywhere close to toppling the huge revenues they currently enjoy from exploiting fossil fuels.Posted by Hawkwind (here)
Greed is a defining characteristic of people. Sociopaths exhibit this characteristic to a greater degree, but we all have it to one degree or another. People who are struggling to survive tend to only be concerned with basic survival needs. Once those needs are met, however, most people want more. Free energy would indeed alleviate the struggle to survive, but I'd have to agree with xeon, it would also carry with it risks. Free energy also implies unlimited energy, which in turn implies unlimited power. Tesla said he could split the Earth in two, and that was over 100 years ago. Personally, I'd rather that kind of power be kept out of irresponsible hands. Also, if free energy ever does get released to the general public, there would in very short order be no Power Elite. Something they aren't real keen on seeing happen.




