Flat Earth Idea - Why so popular?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Nope, not checking gullibility, it's purpose is to discredit. You know those crazy conspiracy theorists all believe the earth is flat, what a laugh!

Everything they do has more than one purpose ... we've only touched on two.

[Cidersomerset]

I had a look back a couple pages and just noticed this vid
has been posted before , if you feel this post should be deleted
I will.......

The version below has got graphics to go with it....


This vid started playing after another I was listening to in the background
I was going to stop it after a few minutes , but Eric Dubay sounded so
passionate in his discussion with Mel I left it running I have not been
listening to it 100 % as I was doing something else. But thought I'd
post it in case anyone interested as Mel on Veritas is an experienced
alternate interviewer. Also I noticed this thread is still going

My personal view is the world is a sphere and I just posted
a thread on Kepler finding 104 new exo -planets so I'm in
the conventional camp......
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...mising-18-7-16
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Flat Earth is the Most Important Truth

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8Wznf3k57fA

Published on 18 Jul 2016


Eric Dubay says the greatest lie and most successful cover-up in history,
NASA and Freemasonry's biggest secret, is that we live on a plane, not a
planet; that Earth is the flat, stationary center of the universe. Eric is an
American living in Thailand where he teaches Yoga and Wing Chun part-
time while exposing the New World Order full-time. He is the author of five
books and is the president of the International Flat Earth Research Society.

From Mel Fabregas: Let me begin this interview by stating that I have no
attachment to the flat earth. I have no attachment to the oblate spheroid,
and even to the sphere. If our home is any of these, so be it. I wouldn't be
surprised of any. What I continue to be surprised and suspicious of are the
people who continue attacking those who simply ask questions. I recently
attended a conference that deals with the most open minded topics you
could possibly imagine. However, when it comes to the flat earth topic, it
was a no no. Look, I can't say I blame people for thinking this is the most
absurd topic under the sun, or the firmament, rather, but you, open minded
people who discuss aliens, UFOs, reptilians who rule the world, Bigfoot, and
the rest of it, why do you continue telling people to stop looking into the flat
earth? Those of you who study the pyramids and ancient civilizations, you
venerate these ancient ones, and rightfully so, and some of these very ancient
ones believed the earth was flat. Why do you then continue looking into their
achievements if the notion of a flat earth is so absurd? Shouldn't that discredit
them too? And those of you who continue writing to me saying the ancient ones
knew they lived on a sphere, how did they know? Perhaps they had advanced
technology that allowed seeing the skies above. Just because you see sphere
above you doesn't prove you are standing on one. You can still play pool on a
flat table and basketball on a flat court. Perhaps the psyop is questioning those
who question the true shape of our plane(t).

For more information about our Flat Earth, please visit:
http://www.AtlanteanConspiracy.com
http://www.IFERS.ace.st

[TODD & NORA]

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[Mike Gorman]

I have discovered that 'Black' is actually 'White' - the tyranny of established knowledge has decreed that black is an absence of light, anything black is not reflecting any of the frequencies from the electromagnetic spectrum, when in actual fact it is absorbing ALL frequencies and it is in fact 'White' but we cannot see it with our organic eyes, the human retina simply registers the colour as black. Now you might say I am deluded, a crackpot, but isn't this what every new discovery is labelled, every disruption of the paradigm is laughed at and derided by the 'authorities'.

Black is White, and the sooner you accept that you have been misled and conditioned to think it is 'black' all your life - school is used to dispense the lies and deception, we accept this as 'truth'. Black is white, and the tyranny of established science, the wittering of the chattering classes cannot change this fundamental truth - you have not researched this and you do not question what you receive, you passively consider Black as being 'black' and you will not even entertain that it could possibly be 'White'. I am appalled and disgusted with my peers, and the narrow minded apathy with which people simply accept these axioms of knowledge without question!
Black is white, and this is the liberating truth, join me and the enlightened numbers who have received this liberating insight and leave behind the sheep and somnambulist hordes who persist with the established ignorance-discover for yourself that knowledge is relative and flexible, there is no absolute truth, merely the deception of power brokers who seek to gain your belief and trust so they might put into motion their plans and schemes for their world domination -Black is White!
(Irony Alert - I know Americans often have difficulty with irony, it is a cultural thing, literal mindedness is heavily promoted)

[Cidersomerset]

David posted this on his headline page today and as he is on his world wide tour
he has been posted various vids I presume he feels appropriate that particular
day, this is a segment from one of his previous tours.

Why have I posted here ? well it is very interesting presentation with plenty of
content and research , but he touches on the electric universe and if the Solar
system is not what we think it is , does make you think imo. Something to watch if
you feel in the mood. If not ignore this post , its only a suggestion and something
I just watched, as Leonardo said everything is connected and I see it everywhere.


The Saturn Matrix - David Icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YVpZMh1PaeA

Published on 23 Jul 2016

All David's Books Now Available Here http://www.DavidIckeStore.com
Saturn, It's Symbols & How It Creates This Fake Reality
The Saturn Matrix & Saturn Symbolism

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...31#post1084131

[TargeT]

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
I have discovered that 'Black' is actually 'White' - the tyranny of established knowledge has decreed that black is an absence of light, anything black is not reflecting any of the frequencies from the electromagnetic spectrum, when in actual fact it is absorbing ALL frequencies and it is in fact 'White' but we cannot see it with our organic eyes, the human retina simply registers the colour as black. Now you might say I am deluded, a crackpot, but isn't this what every new discovery is labelled, every disruption of the paradigm is laughed at and derided by the 'authorities'.

Black is White, and the sooner you accept that you have been misled and conditioned to think it is 'black' all your life - school is used to dispense the lies and deception, we accept this as 'truth'. Black is white, and the tyranny of established science, the wittering of the chattering classes cannot change this fundamental truth - you have not researched this and you do not question what you receive, you passively consider Black as being 'black' and you will not even entertain that it could possibly be 'White'. I am appalled and disgusted with my peers, and the narrow minded apathy with which people simply accept these axioms of knowledge without question!
Black is white, and this is the liberating truth, join me and the enlightened numbers who have received this liberating insight and leave behind the sheep and somnambulist hordes who persist with the established ignorance-discover for yourself that knowledge is relative and flexible, there is no absolute truth, merely the deception of power brokers who seek to gain your belief and trust so they might put into motion their plans and schemes for their world domination -Black is White!
(Irony Alert - I know Americans often have difficulty with irony, it is a cultural thing, literal mindedness is heavily promoted)

literal mindedness is a bad thing?

so you are saying that white absorbs all light, and black reflects it.. that white is the taker and black is the "giver" ?

Label it how you will, but in my mind white is alpha, the one, the singularity.. it contains all so it reflects anything projected on it, as it already contains all. Black however is the entropic, the taker, it contains nothing, so it takes anything that comes its way.

I reject your conclusions based on this.

I agree with the over all premise however, that much is not as we have been told.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
I have discovered that 'Black' is actually 'White' - the tyranny of established knowledge has decreed that black is an absence of light, anything black is not reflecting any of the frequencies from the electromagnetic spectrum, when in actual fact it is absorbing ALL frequencies and it is in fact 'White' but we cannot see it with our organic eyes, the human retina simply registers the colour as black. Now you might say I am deluded, a crackpot, but isn't this what every new discovery is labelled, every disruption of the paradigm is laughed at and derided by the 'authorities'.

Black is White, and the sooner you accept that you have been misled and conditioned to think it is 'black' all your life - school is used to dispense the lies and deception, we accept this as 'truth'. Black is white, and the tyranny of established science, the wittering of the chattering classes cannot change this fundamental truth - you have not researched this and you do not question what you receive, you passively consider Black as being 'black' and you will not even entertain that it could possibly be 'White'. I am appalled and disgusted with my peers, and the narrow minded apathy with which people simply accept these axioms of knowledge without question!
Black is white, and this is the liberating truth, join me and the enlightened numbers who have received this liberating insight and leave behind the sheep and somnambulist hordes who persist with the established ignorance-discover for yourself that knowledge is relative and flexible, there is no absolute truth, merely the deception of power brokers who seek to gain your belief and trust so they might put into motion their plans and schemes for their world domination -Black is White!
(Irony Alert - I know Americans often have difficulty with irony, it is a cultural thing, literal mindedness is heavily promoted)

I reject your conclusions based on this.

Psst! I think GalaxyHorse's post was heavy, deadpan, satire.

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
I have discovered that 'Black' is actually 'White' - the tyranny of established knowledge has decreed that black is an absence of light, anything black is not reflecting any of the frequencies from the electromagnetic spectrum, when in actual fact it is absorbing ALL frequencies and it is in fact 'White' but we cannot see it with our organic eyes, the human retina simply registers the colour as black. Now you might say I am deluded, a crackpot, but isn't this what every new discovery is labelled, every disruption of the paradigm is laughed at and derided by the 'authorities'.

Black is White, and the sooner you accept that you have been misled and conditioned to think it is 'black' all your life - school is used to dispense the lies and deception, we accept this as 'truth'. Black is white, and the tyranny of established science, the wittering of the chattering classes cannot change this fundamental truth - you have not researched this and you do not question what you receive, you passively consider Black as being 'black' and you will not even entertain that it could possibly be 'White'. I am appalled and disgusted with my peers, and the narrow minded apathy with which people simply accept these axioms of knowledge without question!
Black is white, and this is the liberating truth, join me and the enlightened numbers who have received this liberating insight and leave behind the sheep and somnambulist hordes who persist with the established ignorance-discover for yourself that knowledge is relative and flexible, there is no absolute truth, merely the deception of power brokers who seek to gain your belief and trust so they might put into motion their plans and schemes for their world domination -Black is White!
(Irony Alert - I know Americans often have difficulty with irony, it is a cultural thing, literal mindedness is heavily promoted)

I reject your conclusions based on this.

Psst! I think GalaxyHorse's post was heavy, deadpan, satire.

Thanks Bill - you will have to forgive my indulgent little exercise, it occurs to me that we have arrived at a time where knowledge has become so individualistic and 'relative' that people have lost their sense of position and have lost faith in deterministic reality, which leaves them open to deception and manipulation. But determinism is still 'real', it is simply that it should not force us into accepting the Dogma of science, science is undergoing a shift of massive proportions.

[HaveBlue]

Which CIA director said in the 60s or early 70s 'We will know we have succeeded when everything the public believes is wrong'?

Richard Helms, Bill Colby or Bill Casey? Without me going back to search it escapes me this minute, but it did happen and was said by one of them. I'll bet my house on that!

Mod reply from Bill (you get to keep your house ): it was Bill Casey. The detailed source is here:
http://quora.com/Did-William-Casey-CIA-Director-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false

[TargeT]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Psst! I think GalaxyHorse's post was heavy, deadpan, satire.

yep, that went WAY over my head.. haha

[ThePythonicCow]

Miles Mathis, in his latest paper analyzing Eustace Mullins, proposes that the Flat Earth hype is an intelligence operation, designed to discredit those who criticize NASA. Eustace Mullins was author of The Secrets of the Federal Reserve.

Here's how it works, quoting Miles:

Again, here is the progression: first, tell the truth; second, publish a book and obtain a following; third, do something totally asinine like promote Hitler in the US. This will make everyone with any sense think you are crazy. They will revisit those truths you told them to start with, dismissing them as the rantings of a crazy person. That it what it is to be an Anti.

There are many Antis working right now, literally hundreds of them on Youtube alone. That is what the whole Flat Earth thing is about. Have you noticed you can't research anything on Youtube without being assaulted with the Flat Earth promotion? Well, they are doing exactly the same thing Mullins did. One, tell you the truth about NASA, which is that it has faked a large amount of its publicity in the past. Two, they list all the lies of NASA. Three, they start talking about the Flat Earth, saying that is the main thing NASA is hiding from you. So they have just blackwashed themselves in plain sight.

The Flat Earth promotion is just like the Hitler promotion: they know no one with any sense will buy it. But they are hoping you will link Flat Earth promotion to criticism of NASA. They want you to think that anyone who criticizes NASA or the mainstream story in any way is a Flat Earth nut. They are hoping you wash both babies out with the same bathwater, and that is what many people are doing. NASA itself dismisses many good questions as coming from Flat Earthers. It is a great way to slander the opposition without having to address its points.

[KiwiElf]

Makes me wonder if any flat-earthers have ever climbed a high mountain (doesn't need to be too high), or been in an airplane... (off the ground, that is)?

Then, there's GPS... how do they account for that working??? (Last time I checked, GPS requires satellites - in orbit - to provide the information (The "G" bit stands for Global, as in, shaped like a globe

(Prior to GPS being invented, sophisticated aircraft of the time, ie Concorde, ships, submarines and spacecraft, used (and still do) an INS (Inertial Navigation System),

An inertial navigation system (INS) is a navigation aid that uses a computer, motion sensors (accelerometers) and rotation sensors (gyroscopes) to continuously calculate via dead reckoning the position, orientation, and velocity (direction and speed of movement) of a moving object without the need for external references.[1] It is used on vehicles such as ships, aircraft, submarines, guided missiles, and spacecraft. Other terms used to refer to inertial navigation systems or closely related devices include inertial guidance system, inertial instrument, inertial measurement units (IMU) and many other variations. Older INS systems generally used an inertial platform as their mounting point to the vehicle, and the terms are sometimes considered synonymous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inerti...igation_system

...in either case, they are both designed to work on a globe/sphere for navigation around the Earth: (in space is a different matter)

[bluestflame]

yes is about the two for one special , discrediting valid info cos of the nutter tag

[Cartomancer]

Many tenets of the Muslim faith state that the earth is a globe. Many "Flat Earther's" i notice are conservative Christians. Muslims pray towards Mecca in the correct direction using a model of the earth that is a sphere. The Mihrab or altar in each Mosque is oriented towards Mecca at the correct angle on the globe. There are "directions to Mecca" calculators on the internet one can look up for the correct direction to pray. So the "flat earth" theory is kind of an insult to Muslims among its many other purposes and misdirection. I have watched the "best" flat earth argument videos and all of them show a great degree of ignorance and distortion of facts and reality.

Astronomers collect data using a horizontal plane. This alone is one of the things that is misunderstood and twisted to match a model that shows the flat earth. I have debated many flat earth proponents and they usually resort to the overuse of insulting and ignorant meme's as their main weapon or response. They are also personally abusive. The conspiracy would just involve too many people and resources to maintain through time. I like that they are thinking outside of the box but I think there is a reason they are promoting this idea that goes beyond any real belief. There are very few people who have studied maps and globes enough to really understand how they are properly used or work. If you believe in the flat earth you should support your beliefs by understanding how a globe works so you can criticize it. None of them I have spoken to can explain any of that yet they will tell you that you are wrong based on watching videos on youtube that are grossly inaccurate and distorted regurgitation of other people's bad ideas.

[Baby Steps]

i was listening to a long video rant about a totally unconnected subject, all material that i would be prepared to defend, and 3/4 through, she just throws in a statement about how we all know that the earth is flat, then returns to to her subject. so beware of this, important to listen to the whole video before sharing.

[Agape]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Makes me wonder if any flat-earthers have ever climbed a high mountain (doesn't need to be too high), or been in an airplane... (off the ground, that is)?

No matter what you do , it keeps looking round but it's still a pancake of timespace rolling eternally out and like every pancake it has two FLIP sides .
There are people living on the other side of our dimensional pancake we can't see and who can't see us, theoretically at least .
What some try to describe as inner earth is essentially but a feature of my new pancake theory

It's where the cheese had gone when the cat did not eat it .


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...s-nothing.html

[crosby]

Perhaps some people accept their lives as being part of an experiment - as though they may be part of something being examined in a petri dish. The flat earth theory would fit well with this. When I was in 7th grade (a long time ago) my science teacher pulled a jar [filled with water and sediment] from one of his scientific cupboards, shook it up and asked the class, " ......what if we are sitting in a jar in a closet and every now and then someone pulls us out and shakes us up?" This was back in the mid-seventies, so this particular teacher was pretty progressive for that time frame - he was fired for his interpretations.

There is really no true way to determine who is right and who is wrong with this theory. I am of the impression that we are an experiment in a petri dish. So, the thought that the earth is flat would not come as any big surprise to me what-so-ever. However, I do believe that there is also more involved with that theory.....I do believe that there is much more involved with this particular distraction......
warmest,
crosby

[Alberto e Daniela]

The objective is that people start thinking that there is no way to get to the truth, because convincing (ok, for the non experts) evidence is produced from all sides.

The Truth can no longer be hidden, so they must try to obfuscate it, with smoke and mirrors.

People get confused and divided, and waste their time arguing, and ultimately get blocked in their development of Consciousness.

[Atlas]

Posted by aviators (here)
Flat Earth threads here on Avalon seem to get escorted to the back room to die. [...] Pay close attention to the words Leonardo uses.
Food for thought. Gods speed...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KLnNa5KwkJo

Aviators, I miss you, come back soon!

[abmqa]

I rejected the Flat Earth theory without much thought when I first viewed a video putting forth such a ludicrous idea. Although the video was well made and the presenter articulate. I know from experience as I tracked foreign satellites from launch to orbit, to subsequent orbits when the satellite, through the science of orbital dynamics, came back into view of the site as determined by the characteristics of its orbit. This is hard science, that can and will predict where and when, within seconds the satellite is at any given time.

Sooo good for me right? Not really... I failed to see the bigger picture...I just shrugged it off, but failed to question why put forth such an easily disproved conspiracy theory? what is the bigger picture? what community are they targeting... NASA conspiracy theorists come to mind. NASA is extremely shady imho, however Flat Earth?? I don't get it!