The Billy Meier case: what's the truth?

[KiwiElf]

@ mahigitam

Then I guess you may have missed my earlier post #83 before I'm taken out of context, mahigitam:

I stick to the original books and interviews which came out in the early 70's before the trolls and debunkers began interfering. The Japanese made several documentaries at the time. The whole Billy Meier case has been very muddied ever since... IMO. (And based on those earlier doco's, for what it's worth, I believe Billy is/was genuine)

To be specific, the info I refer to in your requoted response, was from the original 70's book, videos and Japanese investigations of that period. Anything after that, I agree with Bill... things got very "muddy" (and I frankly lost interest) .

That aside, I maintain my stance; that the original 70's material I believe to be authentic.

Thank you for your updates - I have some catching up to do!.

[mahigitam]

You guys should check out our recent article on Meier's homophobic teachings:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...hobic-part-12/

[KiwiElf]

You guys should check out our recent article on Meier's homophobic teachings:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...hobic-part-12/

Thanks mahigitam. Interesting. And somewhat sad. Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater,..

Advocating or teaching homophobic beliefs is really not very good evidence of an enlightened being or an advanced alien civilisation, is it? STAR TREK is more up with the times! . Sounds more like it's coming from Meier himself (it wouldn't be the first time a "self proclaimed prophet" begins to mix in their own distorted views regardless of how good their other teachings may be. (Look at Sai Baba!) - This Meier "preaching" nonsense really is becoming a "religion". Next it'll be the old meme that blue-eyed people are superior!)

Religious teachings of any kind have no right to dictate what is "right" or "wrong" regarding a person's sexuality. They are what they are. In any case, the breaking of those outdated homophobic "rules" occurs in every religion. It's a complete hypocrisy. No exceptions.

Any "evolved species" would recognise sexuality - amongst all animal life forms - is what it is. Sexual pleasure has little to do with procreation (otherwise we'd have a real population problem!)

If the truth is dealt with maturely & honestly on that subject (it isn't), it has long been proven (ie Kinsey etc) that bisexuality in varying degrees is actually the larger "norm" (I don't like that word used here... perhaps "most widely practised" is better ) with heterosexuality & homosexuality @ either end of the spectrum, clearly witnessed in anything from mice to monkeys & dolphins (& humans). Nobody preached to them what gender they should "do it" with!)

(Having now read through your informative posts and links, I'm kinda glad I lost interest in Meier after the 70's mahigitam. It doesn't change my opinion of what he provided at the time. (BTW, the metal sample I refer to was not a filing, it was the size of a small stone. That doesn't appear to be mentioned in the links you provided?).

Whatever he was, I certainly don't like what he has become since.

Beware of ANY self-proclaimed prophets - including Billy Meier!

(My rant for the day!! )

[ALLiTiZ]

Billy Meier is like a real life super hero. What I'd like to say is this... read the contact notes, watch the videos, hear the story. It's the most incredible story I've ever heard. Even if Mr. Meier himself, came out today and said it was a hoax, it would still be the most incredible story I've ever heard.

[DNA]

If Meier's contacts are true (and I lean in that direction) then I wish his contactees would have done a better job of allowing him to get the story out. I ran into the Meier material in 2005, living in AZ, I was able to find a copy of "UFO Contact From The Plieadies" by Wendelle Stevens in a used book shop. The rest of the books I found on line, but I think it helped actually running into the book in a used book store. I think the number 1 problem folks have with Meier is the deal where everything absolutely everthing goes through Meier.
I mean, why couldn't they do a fly by while Meier is giving an outdoors lecture or something?
Or pose in the air behind Meier and let other folks snap a picture of him.
Meier could still be the mouth piece as far as the information is concerned, but it would help if folks could count witnesses to the event other than Meier himself. Confirmation and other folks to correlate there is something going on.
Either those aliens wanted to make the information difficult to accept or they simply do not understand earth humans very well.


Another problem I think folks have with Meier is he is rather doom and gloom.
His prophecies do not read off like a romance novel.
It goes from dark and gloomy to f*cking terrifying.
There is also the message of personal responsibility for one's actions. People do not like hearing that at all. Folks want to hear that the space brothers are going to come down and slap a cosmic band aid on all of our problems. Even I want to hear that.
People do not want to hear problems with over population and the need to keep our numbers in check in so far as the human breeding campaign is concerned.
People want to hear that the princess Samjase is going to kiss us with technology and free energy will solve the problems associated with people, like our pollution of the planet.
No
We do not get the kiss that will turn our frog like society into a prince.
I wish we did though.
For all of the lack of Disney esque feel good themes, I still find myself believing Meier though.
Meier is original in his not offering a quick fix for all of our problems.
And this is probably the number one reason why his material feels genuine to me.

[KiwiElf]

Agreed DNA - Oh, I think his contacts were real too (as part of the 1970's stuff). I just think a lot of what he's saying more recently & now is not coming from them - it's coming from him! (including mahigitam's post above @ #122).

You know,.. "God said... blah blah" - I don't buy it . I get better "advice" from Bashar... or Gene Roddenberry! (or my inner self???)

Either that, or perhaps the Pleiadians aren't very good role models?

[Cidersomerset]

I was looking for a recent Billy Meier vid , but cannot find one he did say he was
stepping out of the public eye several years ago and has only done the odd
interview since.

Michael Horne has been talking publically about the case since 1988 , almost 3
decades. He is passionate which can put people off ( including me ). In this one he
is more relaxed talking to Kevin Moore of the Moore show , who is quite
knowledgeable in alternate topics ,and he goes thru what he knows about what is
going on now with Billy and goes over some of the background information over
the years. Some of his interpretations resonates with me other I disagree with but
overall interesting.


I'm not sure of the date of the interview it says to 2016 but maybe late 2015 ?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=97czD77ghbg

Published on 25 May 2016

[marique3652]

Posted by mahigitam (here)
Meier case has been and still is nothing other than a grand hoax. Our recent investigation, at BMUFOR, has conclusively proved that point.

http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...ual-teachings/
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...d-predictions/

And here are our earlier investigations:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...ravel_pictures
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...s/#Conclusions

The smoking gun for me as far as concluding that he faked a lot of things whether an authentic contactee or not is the photos he presented of his "alien female friends" Asket and Nera. The fuzzy picture that he provided saying it is fuzzy because of alien radiation looks exactly like a press photo of a couple of Golddigger Dancers from the Dean Martin show. Here is the link with the side by side photos...very suspicious if you ask me...It appears that he photographed the tv screen and that is why it is fuzzy, lol. http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/asket-and-nera/

[marique3652]

Here is another link that is interesting. I find that the excuses he makes are really unique, and it makes me chuckle. I am not passing judgment, I am more poking fun at he ridiculousness of some of the things he claimed. http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/the...x-photographs/

[DNA]

Posted by marique3652 (here)

Posted by mahigitam (here)
Meier case has been and still is nothing other than a grand hoax. Our recent investigation, at BMUFOR, has conclusively proved that point.

http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...ual-teachings/
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...d-predictions/

And here are our earlier investigations:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...ravel_pictures
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...s/#Conclusions

The smoking gun for me as far as concluding that he faked a lot of things whether an authentic contactee or not is the photos he presented of his "alien female friends" Asket and Nera. The fuzzy picture that he provided saying it is fuzzy because of alien radiation looks exactly like a press photo of a couple of Golddigger Dancers from the Dean Martin show. Here is the link with the side by side photos...very suspicious if you ask me...It appears that he photographed the tv screen and that is why it is fuzzy, lol. http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/asket-and-nera/

Posted by marique3652 (here)
Here is another link that is interesting. I find that the excuses he makes are really unique, and it makes me chuckle. I am not passing judgment, I am more poking fun at he ridiculousness of some of the things he claimed. http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/the...x-photographs/

I'm with KiwiElf in so far as I believe he had contact with space faring human types in the seventies, but I believe the contacts were ceased, partly due to Meier being a disappointment. It's obvious Meier got a bit of a God complex, but, I will state this, if any of you have had any kind of UFO contact, it is kind of easy to start thinking you are the chosen one and all. And Meier's contacts were pretty hard core.
Also, and folks really for some reason have a hard time believing this, it appears there were intelligence agencies involved in intercepting film and replacing it with their own. For all the talk of Meier being a master forger, he never developed his own film he always sent it to get developed at a local commercial processor.
Due to this, Meier would get pictures that looked like what he took, but in fact they were staged reprodutions done by intelligence agencies that could be later proved to be fakes when certain things were pointed out, like the Dean Martin Dance Girls.


If you go down the Meier rabbit hole, it will become quite evident there is profound genius there, and if any contact were to be real and continuous, then intelligence agency disinfo would have to enter the equation, because that is what they do. If you do not realize this, you are naïve beyond measure.


No truth will ever be allowed to drip without the taint of Government interference.

[mahigitam]

I notice some here seem to be arguing that the evidence Meier presented in mid to late 1970's was legit but the evidence presented later was fabricated either by Meier himself or by others. We must not forget that the dozens and dozens of damning fake space photos, fabricated prophecies, etc. were there since the beginning of the case i.e. from 1975 onwards. And not to mention the homophobic teachings that were published since 1975.

[Cidersomerset]

Interesting little item do not know when originally aired ?

Jim Dilettoso on Billy Meier's UFO sounds: FOX 10 News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7RBHtJJBqfM

Published on 16 Feb 2015

[Cidersomerset]

Jim Dilettoso Open Minds Radio2009 the Billy Meier parts (1) the other two parts
should run after each other.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gz4sA1_1YHQ

Jim Dilettoso Open Minds Radio2009 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uz1z5OEIm8

Jim Dilettoso Open Minds Radio2009 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtEpxs8rCI

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2009 Jim Dilettoso on Open Minds Radio full interview aprox 58 mins they discuss
the Phoenix lights and other topics...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=z-eGGkYA33k

[Cidersomerset]

UFOS Robert Dean Billy Meier he did not hoax watch this Ed Walters

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8Ab4zwlB9cw

Sound slightly out of cinque
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This one came on after the above vid ,I have watched this before and
it started as I came back to change it ( I listen to a lot of these vids in the
background while doing other chores around the house )

In the first couple mins Michael is at a radio station and talks about the 1958 letter
Meier sent to world leaders. About WW111 and it talked about the father and son
Presidents that invade Iraq , but goes on to predict what seems to be happening now.
I have heard this before but it seems even more relevant after the posts I put
on the WW111 thread yesterday and current events . This neither confirms or
denies Billies claims , nor that it may play out this way, but I thought it interesting

Speculation about WW111 has been peaking on and off more or less since the
end of WW11 in various wars and flashpoints around the world and conflict
between the US led NATO west and either the USSR now Russia , China
or Iran is also not new, but the current situation in Syria and developments
over the past year does bring conflict between the US and allies with an alliance
of Russia , China ,Iran and possible others feasible. Hopefully this will not happen

This is a good documentary talking about all aspects of Billies life and interviews
with locals giving their views , experiences and UFO sightings related to the case
over the years and much more.

I don't agree with all that is discussed and there are elements to be argued about,
but for all this to be a hoax is hard to believe and much of it seems genuine as far
as I can see. I am not talking about all the teachings and prophecies only that
he and others are telling their 'truths' to what they are talking about and it seems
very plausible to me. I have not met an ET to my knowledge so I do not know
how I would try to tell a story like this if I had.....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=D4x0DfgZ1RA

Published on 11 Dec 2014 Though this was made earlier ?

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PoaehzGgh7c

[Agape]

Posted by mahigitam (here)
Regarding the CIA claims, none other than Lee Elders has debunked Wendelle Steven's claims on CIA and other intelligence agencies stalking them, as Wendelle's own imaginations.
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...a-involvement/

During the Stanton Friedman (SF) and Michael Horn's interview, SF cited the research made by the "Indian guy" while pointing out to Michael Horn that Meier case is far from authentic. Well that Indian Guy is me. I have corresponded with SF and presented by research analyzing - Meier's "genuine" space pictures which EVEN TODAY are being published in contact notes and sold by FIGU, and also the so-called scientifically accurate prophecies and predictions. I presented my research on my website - www.billymeieruforesearch.com.

The verdict is clear - the so-called authentic space photos are crude hoaxes taken from illustrations, spacecraft imagery, NASA documentaries, etc. And also there is not one prophecy/prediction that has been published before the events took place. In fact there is so much of evidence showing that the prophecies/predictions have been inserted or edited, to fit the events.

Debunking Meier's space photos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-wISYli9DU

Debunking Meier's prophecies and predictions:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...s/#Conclusions

Thank you for coming over and your contribution here , I was about to ask if someone based in India ever investigated Billy Meiers claims and contact . India certainly is an important part to the mystery and has also the longest possible record with both genuine spirituality and miracles and 'fake gurus' and staged evidence of all kinds,

India right after ancient Egypt inherited the core and golden knowledge of both spiritual and material 'alchemy' , knowledge of 'true things' and 'magic arts' so also at all times there were people ( and I'm not referring to the bunch of crude skeptics and debunkers of 20th century ) equipped with diamond like discernment there who were able to see the 'fine line' between 'truth' and 'half-truth'.



I don't want to repeat what's been said in this thread many times yet but from delving to some of his materials and having had close ET encounters myself ( and lived in India for many years ) , it makes sense to me that Billy Meiers ET contacts are/were genuine but quite like most other ET-human contacts fall to the 'human category' of unprovable phenomena ,
the photos do not look real at all to me .

As someone else , right after Bill Ryan commented on this thread , what comes through is that 'Billy' is also human and suffering from 'ufo disease' .

If you ask why an 'ufo disease' and what are its causes I'd say it's because the type of society we commonly find ourself involved with , society who bargains and devaluates anything based on mind and spiritual values alone , society to whom .. at the deep end.. tons of 'fake evidence' represent 'proof of genius' of a man who would be seen as rather disabled nutcase otherwise and never heard and appreciated for his wisdom and knowledge .


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[KiwiElf]

Its always going to be a paradox, particularly when weighing up one set of expert evidence which seems to contradict another.

Then you have the debunkers "debunking" the debunkers. (Let's face it, every conspiracy theory has gone through this from Meier, the TITANIC sinking, JFK, Roswell, global warming, the Moon landings, & 9-11, etc, only adding to the confusion). It becomes more difficult to know who or what to believe.

Next, you have the "one bad potato in the whole bag which makes all the others rotten", too. (Or, "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" = absolutist thinking; it's "this" or it's "that"). We often think it's fake for all the wrong reasons, ie "Meier's photos remain some of the clearest UFO photos ever consistently produced, therefore, they must be fake!"

And sometimes, a pencil is just a pencil (as opposed to a dangerous weapon) - both can be true).

[Cidersomerset]

As someone else , right after Bill Ryan commented on this thread , what comes through is that 'Billy' is also human and suffering from 'ufo disease' .

That was said of Bill Cooper , John Lear and many others especially with
the UFO book and presentation circuits . Everyone always wants more info,
disclosure and proof we are all guilty of that at times. I listened to Randy
Cramer on F 2 B yesterday and that could have come out of a Scy -fy
book, TV or movie.

Capt Randy Cramer
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1090794

There are many witness's and researchers we can take apart , and trolls,
disinfo and current agents present like Nick Pope and others who are still
openly bound by there security oaths that Nick Freely admits to .

Best UFO cases : Kerry Cassidy interviews Gary Heseltine / Bentwaters 1980 UFO
case. (Nick Pope post].
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1087420


Then there are many others with contradictory views of ET's intensions and info
from Dr.Jacobs ( abductions ) to Steven Greer ( spiritual ). Stanton Freidman
( the kids have found the matches ) to John Lear life is on every planet in
our solar system. Georgio on Ancient Aliens to Graham Hancock's its previous
forgotten human civilisations and all views and theories in between. Then we have
the mainstream view , move along nothing to see here history is how the academics
says it is.....Gobekli Tepi ? ' cough cough ' we will explain that away as well .

Cataclysmic event 12,800-11,600 yrs ago
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-presentations

We all want to know if UFO's are real ? and everyone on the forum
must tend to believe they are or they would not be here , unless they
are learning or up to mischief. Billy will not be here much longer so
give him some respect for his contribution whether you believe his
experiances or not. He has certainly made most of us ask questions
on our own journeys......

I don't think its all fake at all , but everyone to there own.

Lee says at the start of the interview says that they gained a lot of enemy's
from the get go , because they were at odds with the UFO community
which has been infiltrated by double agents from the start. Remember
many had or were still serving in the military or intelligence agencies
from WW11 thru the cold war which was still at its height when this case
became world wide news. This worked both ways as there were ex military
intelligence member who were genuinely trying to find out and expose the
phenomenon.


Lee Elders - The Billy Meier Contacts interviewed by Bill Jenkins 1985/6 ?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uNwrXL3nhbw

Things have not changed much , Lee was coming at it from a critical
point of view trying to debunk the story and after spending several
years 'toing and froing' to Switzerland they could not. This is a good
discussion though there are some odd calls coming in from the public
as they go along....

[DNA]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Its always going to be a paradox, particularly when weighing up one set of expert evidence which seems to contradict another.

Then you have the debunkers "debunking" the debunkers. (Let's face it, every conspiracy theory has gone through this from Meier, the TITANIC sinking, JFK, Roswell, global warming, the Moon landings, & 9-11, etc, only adding to the confusion). It becomes more difficult to know who or what to believe.

Next, you have have the "one bad potato in the whole bag which makes all the others rotten", too. (Or, "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" = absolutist thinking; it's "this" or it's "that"). We often think it's fake for all the wrong reasons, ie "Meier's photos remain some of the clearest UFO photos ever consistently produced, therefore, they must be fake!"

And sometimes, a pencil is just a pencil (as opposed to a dangerous weapon) - both can be true).

This is the first video from Cider's post 134 above. Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8Ab4zwlB9cw
The one with Bob Dean, the video is only like five minutes long, and you can skip like the first two minutes, anyway if you watch it they talk about how the Americans who went to Switzerland to visit Billy, and that being Lee Elders and Wendelle Stevens, that they built some really good models and took them to where Meier had photographed real saucers. They wanted a comparison and to see if they could get the fake models to look like the real thing, all with Billy's blessings, and Billy even took pictures of the models with the same camera he used to take pictures of the UFO's to help contribute.
The video is quick to point out how later debunkers would get a hold of some of these faked photos and state that they are evidence that Billy faked the whole thing, the man interviewed stating all of this even states something profound in relation to this he states "folks want to find the one picture they can prove is a fake so they can throw the whole lot out and be done with it, this is wrong thinking, what folks should be doing is looking for a one genuine picture of a UFO and then realize the implications".
I just wanted to mention this in response to your "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" statement.

Oh, and mahigitam, you have like 20 posts in the past four years, and ALL of them are anti Meier statements.
Have an agenda much?

[Cidersomerset]

This is the Japanese Nipon TV documentary......

Apart from Wendelle and his team Nipon was also deceived ?

FULL Billy Meier-1985 Beamship - The Movie Footage

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=K58MjoKSMPo

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Other credible witness deceived ?

I met an ET woman -- Asket

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iRm-X6UVjGg

Published on 22 Sep 2013

Phobol Cheng, ex diplomat of the United Nations claims she met Asket, and
extraterrestrial woman that was with Billy Meier, when she was a girl. Naciones
Unidas que cuando era pequeña conoció a Asket, una mujer extraterrestre que
acompañaba a Billy Meier.

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There are others who gave testament in the vids that they saw the beam ships
and some even took photos. Again I'm not saying everything that has come
out is true but much seems plausible and possible that I have seen. In the vid
in # 134 above and link below , Atlantis explains how hard it was for his mother
who has denounced Billies work and the three children who suffered ridicule from
their peers at school and growing up on the small holding was difficult. Atlantis has
now come to terms with his fathers work and gets involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4x0DfgZ1RA


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Son of Billy Meier "Methi" Exposes FIGU - 2012

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=19qYgUhkM5M

Neil Gould, Exopolitics Hong Kong interviews "Methi Meier", he has scars from
his childhood and talks about his experiences , he is critical of FIGU and some
of the information and how he was treated. Though he does not disagree with
all the information . He does support the authenticity of some of the spiritual
teachings and early contacts, and saw no signs of faking . Neil concentrates
on the wedding cake photo and ray gun but Methi does not think they were
hoax's as far as he knew. The contacts were real as far as Methi was concerned.
He also thinks his father was manipulated by some FIGU members towards
him ( methi ).

Remember Billy was a 'tear away' child so its not unusual for children to
have the same characteristics of his father. Methi has suffered and has
issues so should be taken in that context , but is telling his truth as he
saw it. This is a strong interview and should be taken in that context imo.

[Cidersomerset]

Amusing comparison for me .....

They must be in for fame and fortune not the ridicule and seeking the truth...


UFO Billy Meier's working room

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sCf6pzE8ASo

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David Icke takes us on a tour of his house on the Isle of Wight

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H0P38WEHaWU