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    Default Re: Charlotte Riots... NOT protests....WTF is going on with the brewing "Race war"?

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    What needs to be said can't be said.

    This is still a white dominated world. All other denominations have suffered under the white man's rule.
    And don't be fooled - even white has shades...depending on who is standing next to you

    This may slowly be changing. It may be more about who has the most money, nowadays.

    The American phenomena of race wars is a unique dynamic. In Canada we do not have , sorry, ghettos. And we don't have inner-city gangs. It is these that allow hate to spread and once the flashover point is reached a riot results with surprising ease. In America the inequality based on race is apparent, and is tolerated - for decades! Not much surprise the oppressed lash out from time to time as they have. And now as the economic levers are turned more pressure is placed on the least able to cope. The least able to cope are minorities, single mothers, and the elderly - as these make up the bulk of the "poor".

    Race riots may only be the leading edge of a much bigger storm as the financial crisis between the "haves" and "have nots" intensifies. Soon we might be looking at apocalyptic Food Wars.
    Totally agree with your last sentence. We are headed towards food shortage due to water crises, global drought. I am trying to arrange my life so that I can help as many have-nots as possible. I hope others who have the means are doing the same. I hope and prey that dignity and compassion overwhelms the divisive forces that social justice warriors are making worse.

    Even here, in Canada, so many young people are 'sleeping rough,'. They don't deserve this. It is NOT their fault

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    Perspective really matters here. You really dont KNOW what it is like to be a black person in America unless you are a black person and experience first hand all that it entails. Armchair judgement is totally inappropriate, period.
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    Target,

    I agree. I think this is the point Ernie Nemeth made so well. Race wars are the leading edge of the wedge. Someone is feeding this third wave feminist, safe space crapola, that focuses on white privilege while ignoring 'Money privilege.' I think much of it has to do with a campaign of deflection where traditional antagonisms are whipped up, scars ripped open, so we never let our anger really rip at the controllers.

    And who benefits? Martin Scorcese's movie, 'Gangs of New York,' speaks to this dynamic with stunning cinematography, to boot.

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    Default Re: Charlotte Riots... NOT protests....WTF is going on with the brewing "Race war"?

    Do you get the feeling this is being orchestrated to divide the races like Feminism divided Men and Women ?

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    Do you get the feeling this is being orchestrated to divide the races like Feminism divided Men and Women ?
    Yes.
    Among other things, there are lot of distractions out there right now when we should be most focused on government machinations.
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    Default Re: Charlotte Riots... NOT protests....WTF is going on with the brewing "Race war"?

    Who’s Behind the Charlotte Riots? Police Say 70% of Arrests are from Out of State Being Bussed In
    Matt Agorist September 23, 2016
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/beh...ice-criminals/

    Quote Under questionable circumstances still flaring factious public division, police stole the life Keith Lamont Scott this week. His death sparked peaceful protests, later turned so violent on the streets of Charlotte, one reporter from an albeit conservative outlet likened the scene to the military assault on the West Bank by Israel.
    What caused the Charlotte protests to go from peaceful to chaotic?
    On CNN Thursday night, Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told CNN’s Erin Burnett that the ‘protesters’ in Charlotte are ‘instigators’ being brought in from outside the state.
    “This is not Charlotte that’s out here. These are outside entities that are coming in and causing these problems. These are not protestors, these are criminals.”
    “We’ve got the instigators that are coming in from the outside. They were coming in on buses from out of state. If you go back and look at some of the arrests that were made last night. I can about say probably 70% of those had out-of-state IDs. They’re not coming from Charlotte.”
    While this may sound outrageous, this tactic appears to be the modus operandi for those who wish to turn peaceful protests into destructive riots.
    As Zero Hedge reports, as shocking as this statement is, it should not be a total surprise. 18 months ago, as the riots flared in Ferguson, there was one man pulling the strings of this ‘domestic false flag’… George Soros. In an apparent effort to “keep the media’s attention on the city and to widen the scope of the incident to focus on interrelated causes — not just the overpolicing and racial discrimination narratives that were highlighted by the news media in August,” liberal billionaire George Soros donated $33million to social justice organizations which helped turn events in Ferguson from a local protest into a national flashpoint.
    We know, this sounds outrageous. However, consider the following.
    As the Free Thought Project has continued to report, memos and documents published by DCLeaks continue shedding light on billionaire globalist George Soros and his progressive organization, Open Society Foundations (OSF). Due to their poor digital curation, however, the leaks are hard to comb through which is leading to the information slowly trickling out. The latest of the documents, however, reveals the billionaire’s attempt to organize a “national movement” to create a federalized police force.
    The document shows that OSF saw the killings of Mike Brown, Eric Garner, Walter Scott, and Freddie Gray as an opportunity to implement this mission of federal police guidelines. OSF, according to the documents, then held a meeting titled, “Police Reform: How to Take Advantage of the Crisis of the Moment and Drive Long-Term Institutional Change in Police-Community Practice.”

    The memo further documents that Soros-financed groups and personalities influenced a Task Force on 21st Century Policing, created by President Obama. Last may, the task force released a final report consisting of 60 recommendations recommending protocol to local departments on how to modify policing practices.
    The information is from a 61-page report of an Open Society U.S. Programs Board Meeting that took place in New York City in May of last year.
    States the board meeting document:
    The federal government is seeking philanthropic support for a number of its initiatives. In addition to seeking support to advance the implementation of the recommendations of the Presidential Taskforce, the White House recently launched the Policing Data Initiative to explore how best to use data and technology to build trust, voice, and solutions to improve community policing. The Department of Justice recently selected the first six cities to host pilot sites for the National Initiative for Building Community Trust and Justice, which was launched last fall to help repair and strengthen the relationship between law enforcement and the communities they serve by exploring strategies intended to enhance procedural justice, reduce implicit bias, and support racial reconciliation.
    We are gaining a better understanding of these efforts in order to determine how best USP can use this moment to create a national movement. We have already had a set of preliminary conversations with about a dozen key stakeholders and will undertake a field scan to map the areas of work currently underway to advance police reform, including an assessment of the redundancies and gaps in work, and opportunities for collaboration. As we proceed, we will engage the funder network we helped to establish, the Executive Alliance on Men and Boys of Color, which now includes forty foundations.
    U.S. Programs (USP) is a part of OSF with the stated mission of working to further a vibrant democratic society in which all people can meaningfully participate in its civic, economic, and political life.
    According to the above excerpt, USP was thinking of ways to capitalize on police killings to ‘create a national movement’ to implement their agenda — and Charlotte fits the description.
    The think tank also raises the question of how to properly steer the ostensible ‘grassroots’ organizations, such as Black Lives Matter, to achieve USP goals.
    The events of the past several months have understandably led to a wide range of activities, including a variety of advocacy efforts, to respond to the significant challenges in policing that have been exposed and the opportunity to promote meaningful and lasting change. For example, organized under the banner of the Civil Rights Coalition on Police Reform, organizations like the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under the Law, LCCHR, and LDF are advocating for federal reform efforts with a particular emphasis on data collection and transparency and, as noted above, 35 effecting federal funding streams. A variety of other national advocacy organizations, including grantees Advancement Project, PolicyLink, the Center for Popular Democracy and the ACLU are working to provide advocates with toolkits and resources to help their organizing efforts. Locally based groups such as the Ohio Student Association, the Organization for Black Struggle, the Asian Law Caucus, and the ACLU of New Jersey, to name a few, are advocating for specific reforms at the city and state levels. Another layer of grassroots and youth-oriented groups like Freedom Side, Ferguson Action, Black Lives Matter and Million Hoodies Movement for Justice are also advocating for specific reforms. The range of efforts underway raises a number of questions and concerns about capacity, the need for coordination and the appropriate prioritization of policy objectives, among others, which we will discuss in the policing portion of the meeting.
    While the intentions of reforming police in America seem noble, the very idea of a Soros-led initiative is chilling.
    Another memo, leaked last month, showed the billionaire was potentially funding the Black Lives Matter movement, to the tune of $650,000. We now know why.

    Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/beh...U3ioRhgWxKx.99
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    Default Re: Charlotte Riots... NOT protests....WTF is going on with the brewing "Race war"?

    Well that Soros BLM money had to go somewhere right?

    Sounds exactly like what I was talking about.





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    How many hundreds of millions of dollars have been shoved onto BLM (Ford, Soros and so on)???

    What might we expect those dollars to do??:

    Rather simple there Avalonians.

    This is of course true Calzy, but its not enough to sort of pithily make that statement and then slide out the back door as if thats all there is to say on the matter. I think we need to be a little more responsible than that.

    We all know any kind of "movement" of significance is gonna be filled with agent provocateurs. But let's not judge the entire BLM based on those provocateurs and their sponsors. I'm imagining a group of generally kind but slightly apathetic aliens discussing earth's future...would they casually dismiss us based on the relatively few sick lunatics running the planet, or would they see the bigger picture?

    ..and thats the important thing here: the big picture. Its TOO EASY to pick at the parts in an attempt to distract from that. And that big picture involves many, many well meaning people with good intentions who feel scared and marginalized and f#cked over by this thing called racism and all its ramifications..which includes but is not limited to things like police brutality. Soros may be financing it all, and busloads of outsiders may be coming in to stir the pot, but that doesnt just conveniently render the humanity of thousands of sincere well meaning people irrelevant. I'm of the belief that most people are inherently good. i'm quite certain there are many more good, well meaning people involved in BLM than bad. And thats where this thread misses the mark. It collates all the negative bits and throws them in your face all in an attempt to magnify a very specific part of the picture while ignoring all the rest of it,..while ignoring MOST of it..the bigger, more important picture (fox news)

    DNA is right. The police force is an "old boys" network..and like the church, they will fiercely protect their own, no matter how sick and egregious an act is committed. And they resist any form of criticism, no matter how obvious, and instead lapse into this silly for or against us attitude reminiscent of bush jr. If you constructively criticise, youre "anti police". Theres absolutely no room for common sense there. Even as they and their supporters ask you to understand that "not all police are bad" they still won't extend the same understanding to BLM (all protesters are "anti cop"!) which is often ridiculously demonized and labelled a "terrorist group". Theyre accusing the other side of playing the game that they themselves are playing...and theyre very aware of it.

    So to blame Soros or agent provacateurs or behind the scene agendas for our current siituation is to enitirely miss the point...and it also neglects to recognize the humanity and the very real and obvious fears and emotions and experiences of an entire race of people. Sure, those things are part of it, but to focus exclusively on them is,.imo, insensitive and irresponsible and intellectually and emotionally and spiritually lazy.
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    i'm quite certain there are many more good, well meaning people involved in BLM than bad. And thats where this thread misses the mark. It collates all the negative bits and throws them in your face all in an attempt to magnify a very specific part of the picture while ignoring all the rest of it,..while ignoring MOST of it..the bigger, more important picture
    there is nothing good about BLM, it's very name is divisive and leads to false premises.

    There is no race issue here (it's purely a game of numbers) FAR MORE whites are killed by police than blacks every year.. but BLM? This problem has nothing to do with race and everything to do with a State that is out of control; race is the distraction.
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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    i'm quite certain there are many more good, well meaning people involved in BLM than bad. And thats where this thread misses the mark. It collates all the negative bits and throws them in your face all in an attempt to magnify a very specific part of the picture while ignoring all the rest of it,..while ignoring MOST of it..the bigger, more important picture
    there is nothing good about BLM, it's very name is divisive and leads to false premises.

    There is no race issue here (it's purely a game of numbers) FAR MORE whites are killed by police than blacks every year.. but BLM? This problem has nothing to do with race and everything to do with a State that is out of control; race is the distraction.

    Nonsense.

    Youre seeing an "only" where it doesnt exist (only black lives matter). As backwards as youve been up till now, I refuse to believe that you dont understand the true intent in that title

    I'd respect you much more if youd simply say what youre *really* thinking, instead of cloaking it all in this gobbledygook. Please put down your "white mans guide to openly and acceptably expressing racism in a politically correct way" and just spill it

    Of course its not just a numbers game. That's absurd. Sigh, must I really explain why? (Christ, I feel like ashton kutcher is going to arrive any minute to announce that i'm being "punked") Besides, its *how* blacks are being killed as much as anything else

    Please, less energy trying be clever and more actually being clever.
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    Default Re: Charlotte Riots... NOT protests....WTF is going on with the brewing "Race war"?

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    What needs to be said can't be said.

    This is still a white dominated world. All other denominations have suffered under the white man's rule.
    And don't be fooled - even white has shades...depending on who is standing next to you

    This may slowly be changing. It may be more about who has the most money, nowadays.

    The American phenomena of race wars is a unique dynamic. In Canada we do not have , sorry, ghettos. And we don't have inner-city gangs. It is these that allow hate to spread and once the flashover point is reached a riot results with surprising ease. In America the inequality based on race is apparent, and is tolerated - for decades! Not much surprise the oppressed lash out from time to time as they have. And now as the economic levers are turned more pressure is placed on the least able to cope. The least able to cope are minorities, single mothers, and the elderly - as these make up the bulk of the "poor".

    Race riots may only be the leading edge of a much bigger storm as the financial crisis between the "haves" and "have nots" intensifies. Soon we might be looking at apocalyptic Food Wars.
    Totally agree with your last sentence. We are headed towards food shortage due to water crises, global drought. I am trying to arrange my life so that I can help as many have-nots as possible. I hope others who have the means are doing the same. I hope and prey that dignity and compassion overwhelms the divisive forces that social justice warriors are making worse.

    Even here, in Canada, so many young people are 'sleeping rough,'. They don't deserve this. It is NOT their fault
    AutumnW,

    If we get past the riots, refugee crisis, asteroids, superwave, Nibiru, Poleshift, Yellowstone, crust displacement, Killshot, sinkholes, tsunamis, etc

    My ancestors warned me that they are very sad because the earth is drying and has been for a long, long time. The food crisis could be the REAL ELE that humans will need to face.

    Just curious about your statement 'I am trying to arrange my life so that I can help as many have-nots as possible'. Could you elaborate on this?

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    The US is fibar'd.

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    Quote Posted by Spellbound (here)
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    Hi Dave,

    What the hell does that mean?

    And more importantly, what are you looking at in that picture?

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    Default Re: Charlotte Riots... NOT protests....WTF is going on with the brewing "Race war"?

    While we’re all being played with behind-the-scenes “divide and conquer” tactics, what exactly is dividing and conquering us? It’s easy to believe that Black people or protestors are the problem, but I think it’s important to distinguish between the crime and reactions to the crime.

    It’s also necessary to acknowledge there are groups of people who generally suffer uniquely or more than others within human divisions like classism and ableism. And even though privileges and oppressions intersect, people of color such as Black people, Hispanics and Native Peoples statistically and daily face a very real problem: racism.

    But I’m talking about system discriminations which permeate public education curriculum, mainstream media, wage gaps, laws, law enforcements, judicial systems, etc. (This is why racism tends to hide behind nationalism or patriotism.)

    It doesn’t even require official stats to see this. All we have to do is look at common characteristics of people in power. The vast majority of political leaders and decision-makers, corporate CEO’s, business owners, science and tech panels, medical groups, religious clergy, lawyers, bankers and financiers… are white males - at least in the U.S., although racism is a global issue.

    Are there more Black people in prison because they’re criminals? Or because they’re more likely to live in poverty, be turned down for work and get paid less? Or because ghettos are deliberately infiltrated with drug trade while Blacks are imprisoned for years for smoking weed or stealing a backpack? Are they racially profiled and targeted to meet police quotas? Even police members have revealed that their pressure to perform causes them to go after the most vulnerable, and they’re rewarded for it. Black slavery never ended; it was only rerouted to the prison system.

    Socioeconomic privilege of the “Master Race” or “pure genetics” in order to preserve said “race” results in the suppression of everyone else. This means that it’s more challenging and difficult for the “have nots” to get an education, find work, stay out of jail, get paid enough to survive, have access to resources, find love and be accepted as a valuable member of society.

    I think we all suffer under this matrix to a degree and in our own ways. But add extrajudicial killings to centuries of racial crimes; and protesting, organizing, starting discussions, or just trying to live with it simply doesn’t change anything. I’m really not sure how anyone can blame members of the Black community for trying to get public attention. At least they’re doing something to dismantle the hierarchical systems.

    I hear daily from friends of color about their experiences of being harassed just for say, walking into a grocery store. It’s traumatizing and heartbreaking just to hear their stories. I don’t blame them for having feelings. How does victim-blaming, macho-criticizing emotions or even staying silent resolve anything?

    Microagressions might not seem like a big deal (especially if you enjoy certain privileges) until you’re forced to deal with them every day. They add up and take a mental and emotional toll which affects a person’s work, relationships, ability to be an active member in society… which affects the entire world. I would think that persons who challenge the status quo would understand that. There’s a real struggle when your environment is afraid of you, or hostile or prejudiced against you.

    Thankfully, I see the tide changing even with current events like the exposure of police brutality, Nazism, “white genociders” or constructing pipelines through indigenous sacred lands….

    I think racism has always been there, but it was buried, not just under a KKK mask but within our own belief systems that says people of color (or people who are “different”) are dangerous. But the buried issues are now surfacing. Followers of Donald Trump for example, feel more bold in expressing how they’ve always felt which comes across as hate, but I think is ultimately fear. It’s almost a trend but certainly a relief to be able to ramble off racist remarks that haven’t seen the light of day because it was a faux pas to do so.

    But we seem to have reached some kind of tipping point as a planet. The world is trying to evolve and diversity seems to be a primary pathway of this process. More oppressed people are standing up for themselves even if it costs them their career or their life. More POC’s are in positions of influence. The U.S. elected its first Black president…. More information, more awareness, activism, protests, challenging the lobbyists and laws, films, books and blogs, social media projects… enlightening us to systemic, internalized racism and other discriminations of ignorance which continues to fuel human division and profiteering warfare.

    Of course this is going to feel terrifying for minds programmed to resist uprisings to the system. Suppressed people standing up for themselves really freaks people out because they’re not supposed to do that. They’re supposed to suffer quietly and obey The Man. When they don’t, they’re perceived as a threat. It appears as though they’re creating the conflict that has always been there. So that’s why we currently see something like a “race war” although I’d say that’s a misnomer.

    About being politically correct, people seem to hide behind this phrase when they want to express their bigotry without being called out on it. Yes, it’s hard to be sensitive to people with different experiences than ours. Yes, it takes work to change the way we speak and be careful and genuine with our words and language. It’s not easy to give up our cultural appropriation and privileged platforms to the voiceless to express their experiences…. But if we really wanted unity, wouldn’t we naturally end hostile and legal discrimination which divides us, and support people in their struggle for liberation? How can we expect to end our own enslavement while others suffer under theirs? That seems like a no-brainer to me.

    I’m wondering how anyone can watch Black executions caught on at-risk bystander videos (which prove police routinely plant guns and drugs on their victims) and not feel a strong inclination to do something/anything about the legalized injustice.

    Black Lives Matter has made a tremendous amount of progress especially considering they’re targeted by Homeland Security with surveillance ops, at least partly blacklisted on media and undergo a daily influx of hate mail. They’re partly why protests and police brutality make any news at all. They’ve laid out a clear and detailed vision for their movement, as well a map to get there. They take on various issues such as access to clean water, failing schools and the exploitation of Black labor.

    White guilt. Unresolved guilt makes us do all kinds of whacky things such as believe we live in a post-racial society, claim “reverse racism” or think that people being torn from their families and homeland to become plantation slaves “wasn’t that bad.” If it wasn’t that bad, why did they risk and lose their lives escaping to the North or defecting to Britain - the subject of the racist U.S. national anthem?

    We’ll believe anything to distract us from the very painful reality that horrible things are happening to certain groups of people and the fact we contribute to it just by existing in this society because it’s inherent to it. We also seek out “evidence” to affirm internalized fear and guilt. I’ve been trying to deprogram from racism for years and still catch myself thinking racist thoughts.

    I don’t think it’s beneficial to criticize racists, white supremacists or the person who has no idea how racist they really are. Nor is it helpful to preach peace and unity when peace and unity ignores and therefore continues the oppression of POC’s. But it is important and I think helpful to bring information, stats, and awareness to the issue.

    Oh and by the way, hi everybody! I’m Elizabeth. I’m new to the forum. I have a feeling I’m going to lose friends with this post before I have a chance to make any! But I’m grateful that people are willing to talk about this subject. I think it’s more important than most of us realize and maybe even a hill worth dying on.

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    Hi Elizabeth! Great post!

    You said everything I was clumsily trying to say, only 100 times better. Thank you for that.

    And welcome to the forum! Pleased to have you here!

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    The US is fibar'd.

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    Hi Dave,

    What the hell does that mean?

    And more importantly, what are you looking at in that picture?
    My take on the US is that there is a lot of racial tension...there is a lot of gun violence....there seems to be a constant power struggle of one form or another...and it's just F*cked Up Beyond All Recognition (or Repair...take you're pick). The US may be a so called free country in the so called western world....but I'm so happy to be Canadian. Apologies if that offends anyone...but I look at stuff like this here in Charlotte (and the other recent events)...and I just shake my head.

    As for the picture, that was taken by the shore of Lake Ontario (a buddy and I had just enjoyed a vape session).

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    Apologies if that offends anyone...but I look at stuff like this here in Charlotte (and the other recent events)...and I just shake my head.

    Seems like a little money goes a long ways.

    Social engineering 101.

    Don't lose sight on what is really going on.

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    Oh and by the way, hi everybody! I’m Elizabeth. I’m new to the forum. I have a feeling I’m going to lose friends with this post before I have a chance to make any! But I’m grateful that people are willing to talk about this subject. I think it’s more important than most of us realize and maybe even a hill worth dying on.
    First of all, welcome to the forum Elizabeth, it is a pleasure to have you here. Second of all, your post was fantastic and applaud worthy. You just cut through all the BS like butter and went straight to the heart of the issue, and for that I thank you.

    I have been trying to de-program myself from not just racism, but a whole host of prejudices. It is SO daunting and often feels like an impossible undertaking. A lot of it seems so deeply entrenched, not just socially, but biologically, that I often ask myself whether fruit can be borne from trying to undo these things. I seem to oscillate between that and attempting to "seek out “evidence” to affirm internalized fear and guilt". It's like, why can't I just accept that I have ideas and beliefs which prevent me from seeing the full humanity of other people, and then go from there. I instead try to justify these beliefs through all sorts of ways. The first step is acknowledgement, although it is often the hardest.

    I acknowledge the fact that I have prejudicial views towards others based on things like race, appearance, gender, ethnicity, ability and probably a whole host of other things as well. Not my proudest moment.

    If you don't mind me asking Elizabeth, what kind of things have you done to help in deprogramming yourself?
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    Hi Elizabeth, welcome to the forum. Your post is very thoughtful and thought provoking.

    Quote Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
    While we’re all being played with behind-the-scenes “divide and conquer” tactics, what exactly is dividing and conquering us?
    It's really very simple. Who is conquering us? Social engineers erecting a fascist neo-feudalism-sociopolitical global order, which includes a eugenics agenda and a multitude of social programs designed to dumb down, impoverish, and equalize the masses (regardless of color) and render them manageable and subservient on a macro scale. This is a program of equalized slavery. And one very easy to sell to a social order structured by stratified classes and a tarnished history of racial inequality.

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    But I’m talking about system discriminations which permeate public education curriculum, mainstream media, wage gaps, laws, law enforcements, judicial systems, etc. (This is why racism tends to hide behind nationalism or patriotism.)
    Can you elaborate? There is a meme (mostly instilled synthetically by social engineers I think) that tends to equate nationalism and patriotism with racism. Is this really true? Or just a conveniently conditioned belief? If it is the latter, it is certainly motivated by a very simple and obvious formula: 1. aggravate/ stir-up racial divisions, 2. attribute said divisions and bigotry to the national values, and 3. disavow the (backward) national values in favor of (more enlightened) aforementioned neo-feudalism global fascist sociopolitical order.

    Sorry, unless you can convince me otherwise, I'm not takin' the bait...

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    Are there more Black people in prison because they’re criminals? Or because they’re more likely to live in poverty, be turned down for work and get paid less? Or because ghettos are deliberately infiltrated with drug trade while Blacks are imprisoned for years for smoking weed or stealing a backpack? Are they racially profiled and targeted to meet police quotas? Even police members have revealed that their pressure to perform causes them to go after the most vulnerable, and they’re rewarded for it. Black slavery never ended; it was only rerouted to the prison system.
    This is all quite true. But I would submit it's true probably not in the way you think it's true. It's true because it was engineered this way. Yes, there is systemic unconsciousness, but not necessarily systemic racism. There is, however, very specific racism (directed at all we human plebs en masse, really), applied by social engineering programs (see Margaret Sanger et. al), which has propagated the racial tensions and social conditions you describe, and which has resulted in moving the plantations of the deep south to the inner cities.

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    I think racism has always been there, but it was buried, not just under a KKK mask but within our own belief systems that says people of color (or people who are “different”) are dangerous. But the buried issues are now surfacing. Followers of Donald Trump for example, feel more bold in expressing how they’ve always felt which comes across as hate, but I think is ultimately fear. It’s almost a trend but certainly a relief to be able to ramble off racist remarks that haven’t seen the light of day because it was a faux pas to do so.
    Yes, it is and likely always will be there as long as we are humans... but more aptly called tribalism. Racism is a contrived concept. As humans, we are one race of many tribes and colors.

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    About being politically correct, people seem to hide behind this phrase when they want to express their bigotry without being called out on it. Yes, it’s hard to be sensitive to people with different experiences than ours. Yes, it takes work to change the way we speak and be careful and genuine with our words and language. It’s not easy to give up our cultural appropriation and privileged platforms to the voiceless to express their experiences…. But if we really wanted unity, wouldn’t we naturally end hostile and legal discrimination which divides us, and support people in their struggle for liberation? How can we expect to end our own enslavement while others suffer under theirs? That seems like a no-brainer to me.
    If we want to end our enslavement we need to recognize what is happening to us -- to all of us -- and what is being done to all of us. We are being played, and we are talking past each other. Tower of Babel, indeed.

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    White guilt. Unresolved guilt makes us do all kinds of whacky things such as believe we live in a post-racial society, claim “reverse racism” or think that people being torn from their families and homeland to become plantation slaves “wasn’t that bad.” If it wasn’t that bad, why did they risk and lose their lives escaping to the North or defecting to Britain - the subject of the racist U.S. national anthem?
    I would ask you to try to look at this from a more broad and thought-provoking perspective. You have been taught the national anthem is racist, but I am suggesting (as my entire post implies) that you have been taught this for a specific reason. The truth is, at the height of the nation's tarnished history, only 8% of its population owned slaves in the United States. Is it fair to condemn the values of the entire country based on this 8% number? Isn't this kind of like throwing the baby out with the bath water? Slavery was also a global institution, existent everywhere on earth, when the United States was founded. My point is not to condone this 8%, nor suggest that the bath water shouldn't be changed, only to point out memes like this are being used to sell and dismantle national values (which so happen be founded on human freedom, and which likely precipitated the end of slavey as a legal institution) in place of (much more sinister) global values.

    Food for thought... and welcome again to the forum!
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