Transition into Trump

[abmqa]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
The Donald shooting from the finger tips .......Tweeting has wrong footed the press and gives him direct access to the public , but it also can backfire and give instant ammo to his critics as well...

[...]

Trump’s frequent and inflammatory tweets and the role they play in driving the news cycle and bypassing traditional news services.

It's highly, highly unlikely this is really him sending those, even if it's from his authorized, genuine, account. Trump may not even be fully aware of what's being sent out in his name.

Many of the tweets read like they're being sent by someone relatively young and immature. Even if the news media knows that, they'll take the gift with open arms and gleefully use it to smear him.

He needs to close that down, fast — and make a statement that this is not him, but someone in his team.

Bill, sadly that is Trump, being himself. It's incredible to the point where one can find it unbelievable that the "President of the United States" feels compelled to conduct himself in such a manner. His narcissistic approach to nearly any issue typically centers around either praise for the "size of", "greatness of" or the "the success of" relative to his actions or his being.

I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications.

He surrounds himself with sycophants and has no issue with sending them out to offer up alternative facts aka lies...

Perhaps all are not lies to him, as he could actually believe that over 3 million illegals voted for Hillary, or there were 1.5 million present at his inauguration.

If that is the case then he most likely has mental issues.

Bill, I'll leave you with this quote from Maya Angelou - “When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time.”

[TargeT]

Posted by abmqa (here)

I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications.

Other view points see it as pattern based recognition, Illegal immigrants are illegal first, in violation of the law; seems as cut and dry to me as possible. Change the law or enforce it,...... or admit you are actively undermining this country and what it is based on (Rule of Law, a Republic).

Posted by abmqa (here)
Perhaps all are not lies to him, as he could actually believe that over 3 million illegals voted for Hillary,

Just a mear 800,000 according to this study+
+

though who can say for sure, eh? I will say this, it certainly fits the "M.O.".

[turiya]

Posted by abmqa (here)
Bill, sadly that is Trump, being himself.

From the text below:

"To those who have never read the book or understand generational theory, they are appalled I would declare Donald Trump as the Grey Champion. They interpret the word “champion” as having a positive connotation. It has nothing to do with whether the Grey Champion is a good person, moral person, or likeable person. It doesn’t even have to be one person. Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, both from the Prophet generation, are considered the Grey Champions of the American Revolution Fourth Turning. One was a diplomat who used his guile and cunning to propel the revolution forward. The other was a firebrand, in the mold of our current Donald Trump."

'Grey Champion'
Assumes Command,
Part 1
by Tyler Durden
Nov 20, 2016 5:30 PM

Submitted by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

At each of these great gates of history, eighty to a hundred years apart, a similar generational drama unfolded. Four archetypes, aligned in the same order – elder Prophet, midlife Nomad, young adult Hero, child Artist – together produced the most enduring legends in our history. Each time the Grey Champion appeared marked the arrival of a moment of “darkness, and adversity, and peril,” the climax of the Fourth Turning of the saeculum. – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

In September 2015, I wrote a five part article called Fourth Turning: Crisis of Trust. In Part 2 of that article I pondered who might emerge as the Grey Champion, leading the country during the second half of this Fourth Turning Crisis. I had the above pictures of Franklin, Lincoln, and FDR, along with a flaming question mark. The question has been answered. Donald J. Trump is the Grey Champion.

When I wrote that article, only one GOP debate had taken place. There were eleven more to go. Trump was viewed by the establishment as a joke, ridiculed by the propaganda media, and disdained by the GOP and Democrats. I was still skeptical of his seriousness and desire to go the distance, but I attempted to view his candidacy through the lens of the Fourth Turning. I was convinced the mood of the country turning against the establishment could lead to his elevation to the presidency. I was definitely in the minority at the time:

Until three months ago the 2016 presidential election was in control of the establishment. The Party was putting forth their chosen crony capitalist figureheads – Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. They are hand-picked known controllable entities who will not upset the existing corrupt system. They are equally acceptable to Goldman Sachs, the Federal Reserve, the military industrial complex, the sickcare industry, mega-corporate America, the moneyed interests, and the never changing government apparatchiks. The one party system is designed to give the appearance of choice, while in reality there is no difference between the policies of the two heads of one party and their candidate products. But now Donald Trump has stormed onto the scene from the reality TV world to tell the establishment – You’re Fired!!!

The linear thinking supporters of the status quo are flabbergasted and outraged by Trump’s popularity. The ruling classes never anticipate the mood shift of the peasants as they look down on the masses from their gated estates and penthouse suites. The country is looking for someone who can tear down the entire fetid, corrupt, rotting structure. The onset of phase two of this Crisis in 2016 will produce a populace more desperate, less trusting of the establishment and likely to turn towards someone like Trump, in despair. – Fourth Turning – Crisis of Trust (Part Two)

Strauss and Howe wrote their prophetic tome two decades ago. Their prognostications have played out exactly as they prophesied. They did not know which events or which people would catalyze this Fourth Turning. But they knew the mood change in the country would be driven by the predictable generational alignment which occurs every eighty years. Our regeneracy is now solidly under way.

“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

Linear thinking pundits, politicians, businessmen, bankers, bureaucrats, and citizens fail to grasp the cyclical nature of history. They think themselves progressives, falsely believing humanity and history move forward in a straight line. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is why they throw hissy fits when their predictions and beliefs are thrown into disarray by events and mood changes in the country.

The linear thinking establishment is losing their proverbial minds over Trump’s landslide electoral victory, they never saw coming. They’re flabbergasted, angry, and living in denial as history tracks a path it travels every eighty years or so. As the Greatest Generation departs this earth, there are few left who lived through the last Fourth Turning. That’s why the living generations are always surprised when another predictable crisis arrives. We never seem to learn the lessons of history.

Perpetual progress is a myth. Average American households haven’t seen economic progress in decades. Education continues to deteriorate, as the young become progressively dumber. Well-paying goods producing jobs have been shipped overseas, replaced by low paying, no benefits service jobs. Government is corrupt, inept, and discredited. Our culture is degraded, decadent, depraved, and despoiled.

Progress has devolved into regression. We’ve entered our saecular Winter and there is no turning back. It arrived with ferocious blizzard like conditions in 2008, and had been in a debt induced lull until this election. A bitter fierce wind has begun to whip across the plains and black swirling clouds portend a tempestuous future. As the gathering storm looms, the Grey Champion appears on the mountaintop.

“Americans have always been blind to the next turning until after it fully arrives.

Most of today’s adult Americans grew up in a society whose citizens dreamed of perpetually improving outcomes: better jobs, fatter wallets, stronger government, finer culture, nicer families, smarter kids, all the usual fruits of progress. Today, deep into the Third Turning, these goals feel like they are slipping away. Many of us wish we could rewind time, but we know we can’t – and we fear for our children and grandchildren.

Many Americans wish that, somehow, they could bring back a saecular spring now. But seasons don’t work that way. As in nature, a saecular autumn can be warm or cool, long or short, but the leaves will surely fall. The saecular winter can hurry or wait, but history warns that it will surely be upon us.

We may not wish the Grey Champion to come again – but come he must, and come he will!” – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

To those who have never read the book or understand generational theory, they are appalled I would declare Donald Trump as the Grey Champion. They interpret the word “champion” as having a positive connotation. It has nothing to do with whether the Grey Champion is a good person, moral person, or likeable person. It doesn’t even have to be one person. Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, both from the Prophet generation, are considered the Grey Champions of the American Revolution Fourth Turning. One was a diplomat who used his guile and cunning to propel the revolution forward. The other was a firebrand, in the mold of our current Donald Trump.

In most cases the Grey Champions are not revered or glorified until decades after the Crisis is resolved. Lincoln was and still is despised by just about everyone living south of the Mason Dixon line. Outraged businessmen attempted to convince Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR. Large swaths of Americans believe he is responsible for creating our welfare state and the unfunded liabilities which are playing a large part in this current Fourth Turning. The unintended consequences of decisions made in previous Fourth Turnings often become the catalysts for the next crisis.

The Grey Champion or Champions are Prophet Generation leaders who command respect due to their age, attitude and warlike demeanor. They were born shortly after the previous Great War Crisis and became the narcissistic young crusaders during the Awakening, driven achievers during the midlife Unraveling, and principled moralists summoning great deeds during the next Crisis.

They tend to inspire through their words and rhetoric, rather than through grand deeds. They are human beings, and as with all humans, they exhibit both positive and negative traits. Prominent positive traits include being principled, resolute and creative. Detrimental traits include being narcissistic, presumptuous, and ruthless. The Grey Champion arrives when the situation looks grim and the people need a jolt of courage to meet the frightful challenges ahead.

One afternoon in April 1689, as the American colonies boiled with rumors that King James II was about to strip them of their liberties, the King’s hand-picked governor of New England, Sir Edmund Andros, marched his troops menacingly through Boston. His purpose was to crush any thought of colonial self-rule. To everyone present, the future looked grim.

Just at that moment, seemingly from nowhere, there appeared on the streets “the figure of an ancient man” with “the eye, the face, the attitude of command.” His manner “combining the leader and the saint,” the old man planted himself directly in the path of the approaching British soldiers and demanded that they stop. “The solemn, yet warlike peal of that voice, fit either to rule a host in the battlefield or be raised to God in prayer, were irresistible. At the old man’s word and outstretched arm, the roll of the drum was hushed at once, and the advancing line stood still.” Inspired by this single act of defiance, the people of Boston roused their courage and acted. Within the day, Andros was deposed and jailed, the liberty of Boston saved, and the corner turned on the colonial Glorious Revolution.

“Who was this Gray Champion?” Nathaniel Hawthorne asked near the end of this story in his Twice-Told Tales. No one knew, except that he had once been among the fire-hearted young Puritans who had first settled New England more than a half century earlier. Later that evening, just before the old priest-warrior disappeared, the townspeople saw him embracing the 85-year-old Simon Bradstreet, a kindred spirit and one of the few original Puritans still alive. Would the Gray Champion ever return? “I have heard,” added Hawthorne, “that whenever the descendants of the Puritans are to show the spirit of their sires, the old man appears again.” – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

The old man has appeared again. Just as he appeared eighty years after the glorious revolution behind the breastworks on Bunker Hill, providing spiritual inspiration to the farmer militia. The greying peer of Samuel Adams and Ben Franklin was just playing his role in the generational alignment which occurs every eighty years like clockwork. As the hour of darkness, adversity and peril arrives, the virtuous, fiery and unrepentant Gray Champion(s) appear through the fog of history like an apparition.

As the clock counted down to 1860, seventy-nine years after the climax of the previous Crisis, ideologues, warriors and righteous politician Grey Champions like John Brown, William Tecumseh Sherman, Robert E. Lee and Abraham Lincoln stepped into the breach, as the terrible swift sword felled over 700,000 citizens.

Seven decades later as financial markets collapsed, the world sank into a global depression, with world war just over the horizon, a moralistic no-nonsense prophet generation leader arose to lead his nation towards their rendezvous with destiny. As ancestral generations entered the constellation that reoccurs every eighty years, elder warriors FDR, Douglas MacArthur, and Winston Churchill appeared to revive the spirits of their countrymen and fight the scourge of fascism.

No one can make the argument these three Crisis leaders were likeable. In fact, their personalities were grating and they were detested by friends and foes alike. What they did was ignore protocol, feelings, and minutia, to focus on the only thing that mattered – prevailing at all costs.

The previous two Grey Champion leaders – Lincoln and Roosevelt – are still reviled by many Americans, as they were by millions during their time. Unconstitutional policies and executive actions during the gloomy ambiguous days of the Civil War, Great Depression, and World War II left a long lasting impression on the country and play a major role in our current crisis. Both centralized power with the Federal government, drastically weakening the power of the states. Both set the country on a path towards increased taxation, spending and waging war.

Lincoln and FDR were elected Grey Champions, but Lincoln only received 39.9% of the popular vote in a four way race, while FDR won in a landslide with 57% of the vote over Hoover. It was clear Lincoln didn’t have a mandate, as Southern states began seceding after his election. Lincoln’s support in the North was halfhearted at best.

Lincoln captured only 55% of the vote in the 1864 election, with only northern states voting. His cabinet of rivals despised him. They plotted against him, actively opposed his policies, and gloried in his failures. After four grim years of slaughter and failure, he was assassinated just as his armies’ attained victory. To this day he is still despised by liberty minded states’ rights proponents.

Even though FDR won landslide popular vote victories in 1932 and 1936, his detractors and adversaries were numerous. FDR’s confiscation of gold, antagonism toward big business, and dictatorial style, convinced a number of wealthy businessmen to approach General Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR and install a fascist regime to run the country. His New Deal “make work” projects and socialist policies were widely scorned by free market capitalists, as they prolonged the Great Depression.

No one can assert Lincoln or FDR united all Americans in a common cause. Grey Champions are not universally adored or defended. They aggravated societal pressures that had been ignored or deferred by their predecessors. Compromise was not an alternative for these men. They were going to lead in a confrontational style suited to the times, using unyielding principles to vanquish their enemies. Grey Champions have a particular set of personality traits making them well suited to lead during a Crisis. They have the facility to overlook the complexities of life and focus on one simple imperative: society must prevail.

In Part Two of this article I will assess the prospects of success for our new Grey Champion – Donald J. Trump and why this Fourth Turning is about to turn nasty.

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[abmqa]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)

I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications.

Other view points see it as pattern based recognition, Illegal immigrants are illegal first, in violation of the law; seems as cut and dry to me as possible. Change the law or enforce it,...... or admit you are actively undermining this country and what it is based on (Rule of Law, a Republic).

Posted by abmqa (here)
Perhaps all are not lies to him, as he could actually believe that over 3 million illegals voted for Hillary,

Just a mear 800,000 according to this study+
+

though who can say for sure, eh? I will say this, it certainly fits the "M.O.".

Well that number is not good enough. Trump as he actually believes that he lost the popular vote by more than 2 million illegals voting and thus the main reason for his concern. Is based on his own narcissistic tendencies otherwise he would not apply energy to address it.

"Other view points" Alternative Facts? Illegals immigrants violated the law. That is a fact. We agree. Truth be told, I am ambivalent towards "persons" that have entered our country "illegally" and have made a life for themselves and their families by subsequently obeying U.S laws and being good citizens. However, that is not my point.

If you noticed my statement included the term "religious bigot" So I assume you agree with trump that all Muslims should be banned from entering the US?

Did you see 1.5 million at his inaugural?

You support trumps behavior? smh

[abmqa]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)
Bill, sadly that is Trump, being himself.

From the text below:

"To those who have never read the book or understand generational theory, they are appalled I would declare Donald Trump as the Grey Champion. They interpret the word “champion” as having a positive connotation. It has nothing to do with whether the Grey Champion is a good person, moral person, or likeable person. It doesn’t even have to be one person. Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, both from the Prophet generation, are considered the Grey Champions of the American Revolution Fourth Turning. One was a diplomat who used his guile and cunning to propel the revolution forward. The other was a firebrand, in the mold of our current Donald Trump."

ummm ....... I have no words for you...... only Wow....

[Helene West]

Looks like these riots are going to be our life day in, day out, week in, week out, for years....
what a drag....

government is going to have to catch up it's law enforcement teams with the new type of twitter alarm riots... they need to be more johnny on the spot just like the twitter zombies... they have to be ready for the New Young American A-holes who you can't even say, 'they'll miss america when it's gone', they're far too stupid and brainwashing has removed their natural survival instincts...

but then again, gov waits until they have thousands of muslims dominating industries like taxi's, then they want to do something about it....closing the proverbial barn door after the horses have escaped....

[turiya]

Posted by abmqa (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by abmqa (here)

I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications.

Other view points see it as pattern based recognition, Illegal immigrants are illegal first, in violation of the law; seems as cut and dry to me as possible. Change the law or enforce it,...... or admit you are actively undermining this country and what it is based on (Rule of Law, a Republic).

Posted by abmqa (here)
Perhaps all are not lies to him, as he could actually believe that over 3 million illegals voted for Hillary,

Just a mear 800,000 according to this study+
+

though who can say for sure, eh? I will say this, it certainly fits the "M.O.".

Well that number is not good enough. Trump as he actually believes that he lost the popular vote by more than 2 million illegals voting and thus the main reason for his concern. Is based on his own narcissistic tendencies otherwise he would not apply energy to address it.

"Other view points" Alternative Facts? Illegals immigrants violated the law. That is a fact. We agree. Truth be told, I am ambivalent towards "persons" that have entered our country "illegally" and have made a life for themselves and their families by subsequently obeying U.S laws and being good citizens. However, that is not my point.

If you noticed my statement included the term "religious bigot" So I assume you agree with trump that all Muslims should be banned from entering the US?

Did you see 1.5 million at his inaugural?

You support trumps behavior? smh

abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Okay, I see you disappeared - so, I will do it for you...

Head of FBI James Comey says adequate
vetting of so-called "Syrian refugees" is NOT possible
(Published on Mar 3, 2016)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s2CcVsnGaMA

_____________________________

Rep. Bishop asks FBI Director Comey
about vetting of Syrian refugees
(10/22/15)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H-1ovgAwHFo

_____________________________


James Clapper warns of ISIL among the refugees
(Published on Sep 11, 2015)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ppuYKF5x8PY

_____________Late Add_____________

[At 4:00] CIA's John Brennan:

Since at least 2014, ISIL has been working to build an aparatus to direct & inspire its attacks against its foreign enemies resulting in hundreds of casualties. The most prominent attacks are the ones in Paris & Brussels, which we assess were directed by ISIL's leadership. We judge that ISIL is training & attempting to deploy operatives for further attacks. ISIL has a large cadre of Western fighters who could potentially serve as operatives for attacks in the West. And the group is probably exploring a varitey of means of Infilrating operatives into the West, including in refugee flows, smuggling routes, and legitimate methods of travel.

Sound like fake passports to me.

Intelligence Committee: CIA Director
Brennan's opening remarks
(Published on Jun 16, 2016)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J_z-USgleH8

[abmqa]

Posted by turiya (here)
abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Wow...see this video ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...g-the-us-video i believe that is trump speaking in that video..my eyes and ears still work ...what does he say in it? ball in your court .... WOW!! pathetic really...

were supposed to pretend that he never said that...double wow!!

[BMJ]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Swearing-in of the Sec. of Defense, General Mattis

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ndquiZgeU6Y

Published on 27 Jan 2017
Pentagon

James Mattis has chosen these two admirals to be his top advisers at the Pentagon

Defense Secretary James Mattis on Monday filled two key positions on the Pentagon staff, choosing a two-star Navy admiral to be his senior military adviser and a retired Navy two-star to serve as chief of staff.

Rear Adm. Craig S. Faller will become Mattis' top uniformed adviser, said Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman. Retired Rear Adm. Kevin M. Sweeney will become Mattis' chief of staff. Additional staff announcements are expected in the coming days and weeks, Davis added.

Mattis has known Faller and Sweeney for several years. Each worked for the retired Marine Corps general during his tenure as head of U.S. Central Command.

Link: http://www.militarytimes.com/article...-kevin-sweeney

[turiya]

Posted by abmqa (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Wow...see this video ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...g-the-us-video i believe that is trump speaking in that video..my eyes and ears still work ...what does he say in it? ball in your court .... WOW!! pathetic really...

were supposed to pretend that he never said that...double wow!!

abmqa
Okay, I now see you are back... I did the research that you don't want to do... its posted below.
In that clip you gave the link: Trump states that he wants a complete & total shut down of Muslims entering the United States UNTIL our country's representatives can figure out "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!"

That sounds, to me, like a temporary ban until a proper vetting process can be put in place!

You don't see it that way? Triple Wow!!!

Head of FBI James Comey says adequate
vetting of so-called "Syrian refugees" is NOT possible
(Published on Mar 3, 2016)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s2CcVsnGaMA

_____________________________

Rep. Bishop asks FBI Director Comey
about vetting of Syrian refugees
(10/22/15)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H-1ovgAwHFo

_____________________________


James Clapper warns of ISIL among the refugees
(Published on Sep 11, 2015)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ppuYKF5x8PY

_____________Late Add_____________

[At 4:00] CIA's John Brennan:

"Since at least 2014, ISIL has been working to build an aparatus to direct & inspire its attacks against its foreign enemies resulting in hundreds of casualties. The most prominent attacks are the ones in Paris & Brussels, which we assess were directed by ISIL's leadership. We judge that ISIL is training & attempting to deploy operatives for further attacks. ISIL has a large cadre of Western fighters who could potentially serve as operatives for attacks in the West. And the group is probably exploring a varitey of means of Infilrating operatives into the West, including in refugee flows, smuggling routes, and legitimate methods of travel."

Sound like fake passports to me.

Intelligence Committee: CIA Director
Brennan's opening remarks
(Published on Jun 16, 2016)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J_z-USgleH8

[abmqa]

Posted by turiya (here)
abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Also I quote you here "I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine."

I will remind you of what I stated so as not to get confused with alternative facts. ... "I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications."

It appears to me that you assumed I made that statement because of his position on illegals? Wrong!!

I have firsthand knowledge of his behavior that includes racist comments.

I was born and grew up in South Jersey, New Jersey..30 minutes from Atlantic City (AC).

As you may be aware Trump ran and built casinos in AC.

My father started a custom kitchen and bath business which I grew up working in. The business is still active and flourishing see here:

http://www.millerfabricators.com/gallery.php

Anyway, when the casinos were first built in AC my father was fortunate to get some work made an impression on some of the casino owners due to the quality of his work. When trump built his casinos years later my father was a recommended contractor and he met with trump. Trump thought that my father was white or to be specific Jewish. My father allowed him to believe that. (My father is actually native american) During the meeting my father asked him why he didn't hire another contractor that was a friend of my father's (this person was a black man) and trump looked at him and said, "would you give 150k to a *N**g**r?" Needless to say my father did not do business with him. He had another friend who did work for trump and got cheated out of over 180k ..his business could not recover and went bankrupt...

That is part of the reason for my contempt for the man. My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

[turiya]

Posted by abmqa (here)
Anyway, when the casinos were first built in AC my father was fortunate to get some work made an impression on some of the casino owners due to the quality of his work. When trump built his casinos years later my father was a recommended contractor and he met with trump. Trump thought that my father was white or to be specific Jewish. My father allowed him to believe that. (My father is actually native american) During the meeting my father asked him why he didn't hire another contractor that was a friend of my father's (this person was a black man) and trump looked at him and said, "would you give 150k to a *N**g**r?" Needless to say my father did not do business with him. He had another friend who did work for trump and got cheated out of over 180k ..his business could not recover and went bankrupt...

That is part of the reason for my contempt for the man. My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

Now, I see we're drifting away from the Muslim immigration issue. We must, then, be done with it. And so you must see, that all the protestiing going on about the Muslim ban protesting going on in various airports are being done by people that don't understand that its basically a systemic vetting issue regarding "Radical Islamic" terrorists that may be infiltrating into the masses of people wanting to exit the M.E & come to America, and elsewhere.

Moving into Religious bigotry... Now, religion is a personal thing to me. My take on what a 'true' religion is that it only can be on an individual basis. What I mean by this is that you can't get to heaven by hopping on a bus, train with a mass of other people... There is no "mass transit system" that can take you to heaven. Real religion is entirely an "individual" affair. I don't consider any so-called "established" religion as having a true religious quality to it. Rather, it is simply an established 'belief' system that is accepted by the masses of people to do a variety of rituals. In other words, all established religions are nothing more than cults. The Roman Catholic cult, the Judaic cult, the Jesuit cult, Hindu cult, the Islamic cult. Its freedom to choose one's religious cult.

Established religions have been created by priesthoods, working similarly as CEOs for that particular establishment - it runs like a business. Priests, Clerics, Pastors, Ministers, Imams are the control mechanism, acting as politicians. Government politicians want to lead people in this worldly life, of living in a community, county, States, nations. Similarly, Priests, Clerics, Pastors, Ministers, Imams - they also want to lead people, except its to lead people into an otherly world - the afterlife. They are both leaders of the people. And they run like a big business. They are an internal functioning arm of the external political system. Priests & politicians - they are working together - to control people, to exploit the masses of people. Nothing more, nothing less. So, you can call Trump a religious bigot if you want, but I don't really think it has any real basis.

My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

No, I would not say you are wrong in the way you feel. You have a right to feel any which way you want to feel.

I don't have a direct experience in dealing with Trump.
And I see, from what you've said, neither do you... Neither do you have a direct experience in dealing with Trump.
Not to say anything against your father, but what you have heard your father say, it still remains - for you, it is not a direct, first hand, experience. I am sure you trust your father, from what you've stated. But its still not your personal, first hand experience dealing with Trump.

I'm not defending Trump for what went on between your father & Trump.
Just saying that if the experience is not personally yours, then it remains second hand information.

Feel or think the way you want to - nothing wrong... just be aware of where some of these notions are coming from.
Are they out of your own experience? Or are you hearing it from some outside source.... some news source of some kind...

[7alon]

Can somebody help my explain why Pres. Trump would withdraw funding for abortion? Most of the things he has followed through with so far, I agree with. I'm just confused about this particular subject. Many of my friends say it is bad and women have the right to free assistance regarding abortion, but I'm not very educated on the topic.

[turiya]

Posted by 7alon (here)
Can somebody help my explain why Pres. Trump would withdraw funding for abortion? Most of the things he has followed through with so far, I agree with. I'm just confused about this particular subject. Many of my friends say it is bad and women have the right to free assistance regarding abortion, but I'm not very educated on the topic.

I am not so much fully informed on this particular subject. But my sense is that it regards federal funding. In the past, abortion was a State issue. But now we have federally funded Planned Parenthood Centers that also provide abortions. My opinion is that it should be an indiividual choice, but the federal government needs to be removed from the equation. Hence, no federal funding of abortions is the issue.

[7alon]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by 7alon (here)
Can somebody help my explain why Pres. Trump would withdraw funding for abortion? Most of the things he has followed through with so far, I agree with. I'm just confused about this particular subject. Many of my friends say it is bad and women have the right to free assistance regarding abortion, but I'm not very educated on the topic.

I am not so much fully informed on this particular subject. But my sense is that it regards federal funding. In the past, abortion was a State issue. But now we have federally funded Planned Parenthood Centers that also provide abortions. My opinion is that it should be an indiividual choice, but the federal government needs to be removed from the equation. Hence, no federal funding of abortions is the issue.

Hmm I have looked into it since I posted, and I can see both the for and against point of views. I feel stuck in the middle regarding my opinion on this.

[abmqa]

Posted by turiya (here)
That sounds, to me, like a temporary ban until a proper vetting process can be put in place!

You don't see it that way? Triple Wow!!!

No I don't see it that way. I call it for what it is when someone shows intolerance towards a Group based on religious or racial prejudice I Call It Bigotry...for some its not so hard to understand...for others.......SMH

Also please note.. I wont be replying any further to you since it appears the huge difference in our moral values is too vast for us to ever agree on this matter and perhaps any other matter...wish you well in your moral and ethical growth ...

[thunder24]

Posted by turiya (here)



Now, I see we're drifting away from the Muslim immigration issue. We must, then, be done with it. And so you must see, that all the protestiing going on about the Muslim ban protesting going on in various airports are being done by people that don't understand that its basically a systemic vetting issue regarding "Radical Islamic" terrorists that may be infiltrating into the masses of people wanting to exit the M.E & come to America, and elsewhere.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...t-of-interest/

His proposed list doesn’t include Muslim-majority countries where his Trump Organization has done business or pursued potential deals. Properties include golf courses in the United Arab Emirates and two luxury towers operating in Turkey.

bulls.h.i.t. if he thinks these people are bad then he needs to disclose who he thinks made nine 11 happen....

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...n-saudi-arabia

President-elect Donald Trump registered eight companies during his presidential campaign that appear to be tied to hotel interests in Saudi Arabia, according to a report in The Washington Post.

Trump registered the companies in August 2015, shortly after launching his presidential bid, according to The Post.


The companies were registered under names such as THC Jeddah Hotel and DT Jeddah Technical Services, according to financial disclosure filings.
The names of the companies registered appeared similar in pattern to how Trump named other companies connected to hotel deals registered in foreign cities, according to the Post. Trump names companies after cities in the state in which he is dealing with. Jiddah, also spelled Jeddah, is the second-largest city in Saudi Arabia, located on the Red Sea coast about 60 miles west of Mecca.

so Wahhabi Sunnis are not radical....OK...i must admit i have never been there or met a Wahhabi that i am aware of, so my opinion is going off of the internet and books from years ago...

[Chester]

Posted by abmqa (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Wow...see this video ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...g-the-us-video i believe that is trump speaking in that video..my eyes and ears still work ...what does he say in it? ball in your court .... WOW!! pathetic really...

were supposed to pretend that he never said that...double wow!!

There are words and then there are actions. I form my opinions about a person based on historical data. Trump "shoots from the hip" and sometimes "puts his foot in his mouth." I have gotten over that. Why? Because actions speak far louder than words. And in his case, 1000 times louder.

Example (honesty too... how refreshing) - Trump says he's "for torture" but what Trump does is he empowers his professionals to make those calls. I also recall that call for a (paraphrased) "ban on all new Muslims" immigrating to the US. Yet what appears to me to be what Trump (and team) are actually trying to do is to get a hold of the entire system as to who gets allowed into the US, what is the vetting process, what type of status will be provided (anywhere from a visitor visa to a work visa to an education visa to a residency visa), how will folks be tracked in case of overstays and what can be done with the worst criminal illegal aliens and how.

And in this process Trump still talks. He says things I now know he won't follow through on because I have recognized the pattern - talk tough then act in a more reasoned way.

I also recall he said he would deport all illegal aliens. But I know that will not happen because I have observed the pattern I described above. My bet is that when the border is far more secure, when local governments start to work with the Feds (or lose funding which will effect their police force which will lead to higher crime rates in those local communities which will eventually lead to those still living their either descending into self destruction (like a few neighborhoods in Chicago for example) or... decide to get on board with cooperation), when a serious and successful vetting process is implemented (a process which weeds out those with criminal intent, those who have no documentation to even do vetting) AND there is the follow through in building and supplying reasonable safe zones in the very countries where sadly there are many refugee status folks without the ability to be vetted because their country has been ravaged and there's little or no documentation... when all that is in place, my bet is that there will be another Reagan style amnesty opportunity and Trump will work to achieve that.

So again, words (especially out of the mouths of folks who take on the political world) are words. Trump has proven over and over his reactive words are often just words.

Again, actions speak louder.

Yet what speaks most loudly of all is... results from those actions.

It is my opinion that the 'unhingement syndrome' is so severe all and only because enough of the unhinged know deep in their heart, the results will be "Winning... so much winning they will be so sick of all the winning, so much winning they will beg him to stop"... and that one by one... folks with a brain cell or two left to actually critically think, folks that have just enough control over their own ego that perhaps they called it wrong... just enough folks will experience a better life and even if they maintain a false public position (ala HRC stated she does), they will be pulling the lever for conservatives in 2018 and be pulling the lever for Trump in 2020.

We shall see.

[Chester]

Posted by abmqa (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Also I quote you here "I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine."

I will remind you of what I stated so as not to get confused with alternative facts. ... "I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications."

It appears to me that you assumed I made that statement because of his position on illegals? Wrong!!

I have firsthand knowledge of his behavior that includes racist comments.

I was born and grew up in South Jersey, New Jersey..30 minutes from Atlantic City (AC).

As you may be aware Trump ran and built casinos in AC.

My father started a custom kitchen and bath business which I grew up working in. The business is still active and flourishing see here:

http://www.millerfabricators.com/gallery.php

Anyway, when the casinos were first built in AC my father was fortunate to get some work made an impression on some of the casino owners due to the quality of his work. When trump built his casinos years later my father was a recommended contractor and he met with trump. Trump thought that my father was white or to be specific Jewish. My father allowed him to believe that. (My father is actually native american) During the meeting my father asked him why he didn't hire another contractor that was a friend of my father's (this person was a black man) and trump looked at him and said, "would you give 150k to a *N**g**r?" Needless to say my father did not do business with him. He had another friend who did work for trump and got cheated out of over 180k ..his business could not recover and went bankrupt...

That is part of the reason for my contempt for the man. My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

If this is true (that your father shared this story in this way with you), and I want to believe you (because I strive to be truthful and I operate assuming others are until they prove they sometimes aren't) and I see no reason for you to lie, than that is an example of despicable behavior. If this is true and the way you wrote it gives me the feeling there may be truth to what you experienced in hearing this story from your father, then I can understand your sentiment completely. Only you know if your father's story should be trusted but I would have belived my father if he had shared such a story as my Dad was honest with me.

If this is true, when did this happen? I would imagine this very well may have happened in the 80s or at the latest, the 90s. If I have this right, is it at all possible that Trump might have grown, changed, done so from his heart? That's what I hope. That's also what I have heard from some of my own contacts.

Again... let's see the actions and then see the results.

[Chester]

Posted by 7alon (here)
Can somebody help my explain why Pres. Trump would withdraw funding for abortion? Most of the things he has followed through with so far, I agree with. I'm just confused about this particular subject. Many of my friends say it is bad and women have the right to free assistance regarding abortion, but I'm not very educated on the topic.

Hi, 7alon. I may read your post wrong, but it seems you are suggesting Trump stopped all federal funding for all abortions.

The actual action did the following -

President Trump on Monday reignited the war over abortion by signing an executive order blocking foreign aid or federal funding for international nongovernmental organizations that provide or "promote" abortions.

The so-called Mexico City policy, established by Republican President Ronald Reagan in 1984, blocks federal funding for international family planning charities that provide abortions or actively promote the procedure.

Referred to by critics as the "global gag rule," the policy has been subjected to a game of political football over the years, with Democratic presidents rescinding the policy upon taking office, as President Obama did in 2009, and Republican presidents reinstating it.

SOURCE

If you are able to read the article and observe the quote from Nancy Pelosi, her words presume that the United States is inherently required to fund foreign abortions.

Now, If you thought that he had stopped funding abortion across the board, this is an example how someone along the way may have been subjected to the cabal controlled media spin machine. But it is also possible that someone you spoke with (or someone they spoke with) engaged in "creative interpretation" of real news.

I fall victim to both all too often. I strive never to "creatively interpret," the latter.