The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Thank you Ulli for your post 10413 above. You are a balanced and insightful person and have a wonderful way with words. A great mediator.

Your suggestion stated below seems to me would have been a nice compromise.

I think it might have been easier to just change the title of the thread.
Perhaps words that reflect the investigative spirit of Avalon.
Like “Impartial Analysis of US Party Politics”. Or even Trump’s Battle against the Deep State”.

Hoping that this latest move improves forum decorum and reduces inaccurate and unneeded member-insults is wonderful, BUT I don't believe any of those types of behavior were coming from anyone on this thread. . . . . so why not deal with those who are involved in that type of behavior? Is it because it is easier to "hide" what's bothering them, then having to deal with the complainers. If you don't like a thread, don't go on it. And Autumn, who are the mean spirited paranoids that you think are attracted to this thread? IMO every poster on this thread is considerate. Do you mean those who are non-members just grazing? And what are you doing on neoNazi blogs? You find what you look for. I'm sure there are many Avalon links on spiritual sites as well

I have watched as our world has been taken over by the bullies and the 2% who are loud and persistent. In our schools the teachers are afraid to deal with the bullies, so instead the tell the children being bullied to ignore them or turn the other cheek, or walk in groups so they won't be attacked. I have watched our laws lean towards those 2% who complain that they don't have any rights. This is exactly why Trump won. He understands that the core population has been ignored.

And Mike I don't believe for a minute that you had any ulterior motives. Just a nice guy trying to solve a problem. Perhaps admin needs to go back and look at how this thread became a problem and who has kept that problem stirred.

Sorry Folks, I don't get stirred up like this very often, but this thread has been under attack for a very long time. Enough is Enough!

[mgray]

I am greatly disappointed that thoughts, ideas and comment's "were wreaking havoc on the forum" so the answer was suppression.

Hardly seems to go with the tenets PA started with many years ago.

[ulli]

I’ve always said here that both the extreme left and extreme right are equally despicable. Mean spirited people would target any thread that they consider fringe, when in fact it is them that are way off. The way to move towards a balanced society means one has to be in balance onseself, first. Know how to live life, become one’s own person. People who are extreme idealists often don’t have their own lives sorted out.

I believe in absolute goodness, and although there is a lot of evidence that evil people exist, I see them not as an emanation of absolute evil. Evil is always lack of knowledge, especially the knowledge of consequences. Everything that starts with an idea, and the agenda to bring that idea to the attention of the public, is in my view a psi-op, because each side believes they are doing to best they can, even if it is purely self serving. In their ignorance they believe the world owes them a living, and so there is this sense of entitlement. It can affect poeple in all strata of society.

In my view Avalon exists to help people find true knowledge, and that includes all subject matter. While there are wars raging, politics becomes more of concern to all, not just US citizens, but people of all nations, simply because the US has the red button, and a huge stockpile of WMDs. So in that context I found a lot of the dialogues stating that the forum was veering off course because of the emphasis on American politics not quite correct.

Just for your info, I have dual citizenship, Germany and Barbados. My spiritual orientation is Bahai, which has the world headquarters in Israel. I believe in the value of numerology, astrology, democratic world goverment, the abolishment of the extremes of wealth and poverty, the abolishment of clergy, and the inclusion of indigenous tribes in the family of man. I have been attacked for those views by family friends and strangers for over forty years.

But I do NOT believe in abolishing the national identity of peoples.
It has to be reconciled with wholeness, and I know that it is difficult, but with an act of willingness it is quite possible.

I would have been just as shocked as you to find something like Stormfront linking to Avalon. Neo-Nazis will get their karma just like the far left. But the rabbit hole of humanity is pretty deep, and the Internet has given humans a taste of the tree of knowledge, so that each person can decide which utopian vision to put their energy into. It’s a free-will planet. Good legislation will sort it out.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
ulli,

With all due respect, just fwiw, I found a link to Project Avalon as suggested reading on a 'Patriot's' blog under a link to 'Stormfront,' Stormfront is a neo-Nazi forum. I doubt any member here, regardless of persuasion would think that's okay. It's highly likely the link ended up on that blog because of the pro-Q thread being on view to the general public.

The thing about Q anon is there are well meaning curious individuals on that thread. They mean no harm and are positive in their intent. I have come to see that over the last couple of weeks, because I have been listening more and am trying to avoid stereotyping. I know you are a good, decent person, so that has helped me gain some clarity. Also Bill and the mods have been doing such a great job about this topic, they have helped me ratchet down my own feelings of contempt and hositility. (hooray mods and Bill!!!

Here is the problem. The Q thread was bound to attract people who are mean spirited paranoids, as well as those just curious -- People who think that those who don't agree with them are part of the same vast conspiracy of deep state machinations, communists, etc...It's a really unhealthy frame of mind.

Anyway that's my take.

[Constance]

Posted by crosby (here)
That's just ****ing great. You can block that word if you want to but I am pissed and I am going to blog this forum into the garbage can. Did you hear me all of you twats who sit on a bed or roses thinking you are so ****ing great? This leftist commi ****tank can **** off. I'm out. And, the biggest **** off goes to the ****head leader of this leftist tribe.

I'm out.

Dearest Kim,

I can see that you are very upset right now by the changes that have been made and I am so sorry to see this because you are a valuable member of Project Avalon.

I am really hoping that you eventually get to see this post.

You have made so many valuable and significant contributions here and on other threads and you can continue to do so.

When we made the decision to move the threads to the members section, we were very concerned that this may not be the ideal situation for all but the intention has never been to hurt or to harm anyone, if anything, it has been with the best and highest of intentions for a healthier and a more balanced forum.

Please reconsider. I'm humbly asking you to stay.

You are really loved by so many here and you would be so sorely missed.



Constance

[Constance]

Hi there Ba-ba-ra,

Thanks for your thoughts.

What I have observed now for a good one-and-a-half-years as both a moderator and a member is that the overall health of the forum has been affected in multifaceted ways and amongst those, it has been the role that partisan politics and all its influences have had to play on the forum.

I'd like to quote from a part of a book that a dear friend of mine wrote and which really gets to the heart of the matter.

When we live under a blanket of manipulation and control, we lose sight of any True Freedom. The political and social influences over the generations have made it that we are now so far removed from Nature and Spirit, that we can no longer see our relationship with them. We have become like a battery hen that has no concept of roaming free in nature, or a feedlot dairy cow that has no idea of what open green pastures are like.

If there is one thing that I could bring to humanity it would be that we need to reconnect with nature and spirit. It was my intention and reason for joining Avalon as a member.

It is more than just behaviours that we are having to deal with on this forum.

The moderators are striving to return to the entire forum to a place of balance and harmony and wellbeing.

When we lose sight of what is important in this life, when we lose the ability to connect with what sustains, nurtures and uplifts us, we lose our balance.

Bill has had a lot of foresight and wisdom in recently revisiting and returning to the roots of what Avalon represents. Every moderator stands behind him in this mission and vision.

We may have our differences with each other over many subjects and we may not agree with everything single decision that Bill makes but the common ground - which is everything that we want for ourselves and each other for humanity - collectively and individually, is the glue that binds us together strongly.

I don't expect to convince or convert anyone with what I think but what I will say here is that from where I stand, governments have not, and have never been in the best interests of people. There is not a government in existence that has served us throughout history. Had they been in our best interests, humanity would not be in the state that it is currently in and things would have changed. But they haven't. Things are only getting worse and not better.

We need to look beyond politics as a way of freeing humanity from its current plight.

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
Thank you Ulli for your post 10413 above. You are a balanced and insightful person and have a wonderful way with words. A great mediator.

Your suggestion stated below seems to me would have been a nice compromise.

I think it might have been easier to just change the title of the thread.
Perhaps words that reflect the investigative spirit of Avalon.
Like “Impartial Analysis of US Party Politics”. Or even Trump’s Battle against the Deep State”.

Hoping that this latest move improves forum decorum and reduces inaccurate and unneeded member-insults is wonderful, BUT I don't believe any of those types of behavior were coming from anyone on this thread. . . . . so why not deal with those who are involved in that type of behavior? Is it because it is easier to "hide" what's bothering them, then having to deal with the complainers. If you don't like a thread, don't go on it. And Autumn, who are the mean spirited paranoids that you think are attracted to this thread? IMO every poster on this thread is considerate. Do you mean those who are non-members just grazing? And what are you doing on neoNazi blogs? You find what you look for. I'm sure there are many Avalon links on spiritual sites as well

I have watched as our world has been taken over by the bullies and the 2% who are loud and persistent. In our schools the teachers are afraid to deal with the bullies, so instead the tell the children being bullied to ignore them or turn the other cheek, or walk in groups so they won't be attacked. I have watched our laws lean towards those 2% who complain that they don't have any rights. This is exactly why Trump won. He understands that the core population has been ignored.

And Mike I don't believe for a minute that you had any ulterior motives. Just a nice guy trying to solve a problem. Perhaps admin needs to go back and look at how this thread became a problem and who has kept that problem stirred.

Sorry Folks, I don't get stirred up like this very often, but this thread has been under attack for a very long time. Enough is Enough!

[samildamach]

I follow this thread and at the same time wouldn't call myself a q follower.
What brings me here is the shear wealth of information and possible research topics.
I certainly don't take any of q posts as gospel even though many have been reavealing and led to there own thread off shoots.
And that's not changed for me moving this thread to members only.
we are still free to post uncensored ,to learn and discard as needed,perhaps Now in a safer environment for it's posters?

[Hervé]

... thoughts, ideas and comment's "were wreaking havoc on the forum" so the answer was suppression.

Interesting strawman here because the most obvious is missing.

The obvious that's missing is the vast amount of polarized, manipulated emotional charge attached to these "thoughts, ideas, comments..." which did the actual wreaking.

Now, some readers maybe able to correlate the whole thing with Bezmenov's apathetic state of a whole population and/or a serious cognitive dissonance affecting quite a large swath of the US population.

[mgray]

Posted by Hervé (here)

... thoughts, ideas and comment's "were wreaking havoc on the forum" so the answer was suppression.

Interesting strawman here because the most obvious is missing.

The obvious that's missing is the vast amount of polarized, manipulated emotional charge attached to these "thoughts, ideas, comments..." which did the actual wreaking.

Now, some readers maybe able to correlate the whole thing with Bezmenov's apathetic state of a whole population and/or a serious cognitive dissonance affecting quite a large swath of the US population.

Not a strawman Herve. It's the baggage that the offended reader brings to the table.

[ulli]

There is a general anti-government, anti-political call coming from the mods. Yet they actually ARE playing the role of governors.
So I don’t get it. Maybe we need a thread that examines how a world without government would operate. Oh, Wade Frazier has already called for input on that topic. Crickets.

Yet I dont’t see us getting there (ideal world) from here (messy world) without some intermediary stages, one of which would have to be similar to what is happening with the DC swamp draining effort.
But with which even the pro Trumpers are having a problem, due to their lack of understanding how enormously complex and slow-moving such a world changing event would have to be.

And then those who are pure spiritual idealists: I would like to ask them whatever happened to Tibet, once the Chinese had their eye on it?
Wasn’t Tibet the apex of spirituality?
And once the Dalai Lama managed to get away to safety, what happened to him? Oh, he fell into the clutches of the CIA.

So, please explain to me how can one then even live without touching on politics, unless one lives as a hermit?

In the world there are only two domains, that of individuals, and that of the collective.
Two states of being.
Politics is nothing but an orderly way of addressing the needs of the collective. It fails because of the deceptive selfishness of individuals who are attracted to the political path, AKA the Gravy Train, and because the rest of the populus, who are capable of making good decisions on behalf of the general public have been growled away from entering what they see as a swamp.
Too many contradictions here.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Mike (here)
The Q topic has wreaked havoc on Avalon, resulting in many casualties. Something had to be done.

Mike, the Q topic has caused no problems at all. Everyone interested in this thread, actively studying this Q material, were all ticking along just fine. The only havoc we've seen was caused was by those speaking out against Q, attacking Q, and wanting nothing to do with Q.

In fact they've been actively trying to destroy it every which way. But it's the Q researchers, not the trolls (and that's the only word for them) were the ones banished and penalized...?

If you truly understood the Q material, you'd know by now it was 100% bipartisan. By taking this action you're taking sides, which is precisely what Avalon shouldn't be doing. Q is not about left versus right. Republican against Democrat. People versus people. It's about fighting the darkness and the corruption, bringing truth to light, and people together. It has done that, and IS doing that. Or at least trying to. Taking this action will have the exact opposite effect.

This is quite possibly the most unfortunate decision ever taken on this forum. It should be reversed and quickly. Even if Q proves to be fake, this thread and this research should be allowed to play out in the open for all to see. Let it stand or fall by its own merit. That's always been my take on any subject matter. The alternative is CENSORSHIP. And this is what this is. It's potentially a HUGE mistake.

[ulli]

Posted by mgray (here)

Posted by Hervé (here)

... thoughts, ideas and comment's "were wreaking havoc on the forum" so the answer was suppression.

Interesting strawman here because the most obvious is missing.

The obvious that's missing is the vast amount of polarized, manipulated emotional charge attached to these "thoughts, ideas, comments..." which did the actual wreaking.

Now, some readers maybe able to correlate the whole thing with Bezmenov's apathetic state of a whole population and/or a serious cognitive dissonance affecting quite a large swath of the US population.

Not a strawman Herve. It's the baggage that the offended reader brings to the table.

And that baggage is nothing other than a desire for a position of power, which they wish to receive due to an illusion of entitlement, without any merit.
Gurdjieff once said, “people want the fried chickens to fly into their mouths”.

[gini]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
The Q topic has wreaked havoc on Avalon, resulting in many casualties. Something had to be done.

Mike, the Q topic has caused no problems at all. Everyone interested in this thread, actively studying this Q material, were all ticking along just fine. The only havoc we've seen was caused was by those speaking out against Q, attacking Q, and wanting nothing to do with Q.

In fact they've been actively trying to destroy it every which way. But it's the Q researchers, not the trolls (and that's the only word for them) were the ones banished and penalized...?

If you truly understood the Q material, you'd know by now it was 100% bipartisan. By taking this action you're taking sides, which is precisely what Avalon shouldn't be doing. Q is not about left versus right. Republican against Democrat. People versus people. It's about fighting the darkness and the corruption, bringing truth to light, and people together. It has done that, and IS doing that. Or at least trying to. Taking this action will have the exact opposite effect.

This is quite possibly the most unfortunate decision ever taken on this forum. It should be reversed and quickly. Even if Q proves to be fake, this thread and this research should be allowed to play out in the open for all to see. Let it stand or fall by its own merit. That's always been my take on any subject matter. The alternative is CENSORSHIP. And this is what this is. It's potentially a HUGE mistake.

Well said! and is exactly what i feel of this thread wich i follow since day 1,even though im still sitting on the fence,i learned a lot!
Have no fear ,let it play out!

[mountain_jim]

Back to one of the subjects at hand....

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...the-11th-hour/

DEVELOPING: Reluctant Witnesses in FISA Abuse Investigation Agree to Talk to Inspector General Horowitz at the 11th Hour



Key witnesses sought by DOJ IG Horowitz early on in the investigation into FISA abuses have agreed to come forward at the 11th hour.
Horowitz’s report on the FISA abuses by Obama’s DOJ and FBI has been delayed and according to reports the delays are due to more witnesses coming forward since Barr appointed US Attorney John Durham to lead a separate investigation into the origins of Spygate.

Fox News previously confirmed that John Durham is working directly with Inspector General Michael Horowitz on looking at the FISA abuses.
Fox News’ Catherine Herridge reported Friday that according to sources, at least one witness outside of the DOJ and FBI has just begun cooperating.
Sources familiar with the matter said at least one witness outside the Justice Department and FBI started cooperating — a breakthrough that came after Attorney General William Barr ordered U.S. Attorney John Durham to lead a separate investigation into the origins of the bureau’s 2016 Russia case that laid the foundation for Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.
While the investigative phase of the inspector general’s long-running probe is said to be complete, the sources said recent developments required some witnesses to be reinterviewed. And while Barr testified that he expected the report into alleged Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) abuse to be ready in May or last month, multiple sources said the timeline has slipped.
“The wheels of inspector general investigations move very, very slowly,” former senior DOJ official Tom Dupree told Fox News.
Inspector General Michael Horowitz does not have the authority to impanel a grand jury so the real work will be done by Barr and Durham.
The media was stunned in May after it was revealed AG Bill Barr appointed top special prosecutor John Durham to investigate the origins of the Russia probe.


It was revealed that Barr is working closely with CIA Director Gina Haspel, Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats and FBI Director Christopher Wray on surveillance issues related to Trump’s 2016 campaign, suggesting a broader inter-agency effort is underway.
Obama’s corrupt FBI/DOJ used Hillary’s phony Russia dossier to obtain a FISA warrant and three subsequent renewals on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page.
The first FISA warrant on Carter Page was granted in October of 2016, just weeks before Election Day and the 4th and final warrant was granted in June of 2017 — then-DAG Rosenstein and FBI Deputy McCabe both signed the June 2017 FISA warrant on Page, one month after Mueller was appointed as special counsel.
It is widely believed that there were also FISA warrants on General Mike Flynn, Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and Trump camp foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos, however that has not been publicly confirmed.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
The alternative is CENSORSHIP. And this is what this is. It's potentially a HUGE mistake.

Many thanks, and just stepping in here (again!) to share that we really have been thinking carefully about all this — from all sides. Here's one thought I shared yesterday with the mods:

The message is mixed. That's the problem.

1. For some, we're responsibly taking some kind of action against way too much BS that's been unchecked for too long.
2. For others, we've joined the ranks of the global controllers, suppressing freedom of expression and de-platforming not people, but ideas. It's not obvious or straightforward, at all. It really isn't.

If Google can't find our Q threads any more (because they will no longer show up in their search results), aren't we just the same as Google now... in a way?

I wrote above "we're responsibly taking some kind of action against way too much BS that's been unchecked for too long." That's what Wikipedia says about 9/11.

But I also noted:

We have TWO problems that have been proposed for solution.

1. Animosity on the forum that really upsets a lot of good people, and has caused extreme feelings to be triggered.
2. The perception (and it's a misperception) that Avalon is providing a platform for 'Deep State' propaganda.

Those two are only indirectly connected. We really have to see them as separate in order to deal with them both, if they need to be dealt with.

But for those who are firm in their view that this as some kind of censorship, do please also note that the two threads that have strongly questioned 'Q's veracity, legitimacy, and claimed provenance have also been moved to members-only.

NOT just this one.

~~~

And here's a statistic. I'll be happy to update this later this weekend if needed, should the numbers increase.

We've had 3 (three) e-mails from non-members who asked where the 'Q' threads had gone. I wrote back to each of them personally to explain, and invited them to join the forum as members.

Two of them have already done so, and have already been welcomed in by us. The third will be applying today, and will also be welcomed. We're not excluding anyone here.

The other issue here, besides the kind of animosity and extreme views that are EXACTLY what have been showcased here in the last 24 hours (not cool!) is partisan politics and the public image of Avalon.

The threads were moved to members-only because we don't want to give the disproportionate impression that American politics is what Avalon's all about — which it's really not.

[The Moss Trooper]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
The alternative is CENSORSHIP. And this is what this is. It's potentially a HUGE mistake.

Many thanks, and just stepping in here (again!) to share that we really have been thinking carefully about all this — from all sides. Here's one thought I shared yesterday with the mods:

The message is mixed. That's the problem.

1. For some, we're responsibly taking some kind of action against way too much BS that's been unchecked for too long.
2. For others, we've joined the ranks of the global controllers, suppressing freedom of expression and de-platforming not people, but ideas. It's not obvious or straightforward, at all. It really isn't.

If Google can't find our Q threads any more (because they will no longer show up in their search results), aren't we just the same as Google now... in a way?

I wrote above "we're responsibly taking some kind of action against way too much BS that's been unchecked for too long." That's what Wikipedia says about 9/11.

But I also noted:

We have TWO problems that have been proposed for solution.

1. Animosity on the forum that really upsets a lot of good people, and has caused extreme feelings to be triggered.
2. The perception (and it's a misperception) that Avalon is providing a platform for 'Deep State' propaganda.

Those two are only indirectly connected. We really have to see them as separate in order to deal with them both, if they need to be dealt with.

But for those who are firm in their view that this as some kind of censorship, do please also note that the two threads that have strongly questioned 'Q's veracity, legitimacy, and claimed provenance have also been moved to members-only.

NOT just this one.

~~~

And here's a statistic. I'll be happy to update this later this weekend if needed, should the numbers increase.

We've had 3 (three) e-mails from non-members who asked where the 'Q' threads had gone. I wrote back to each of them personally to explain, and invited them to join the forum as members.

Two of them have already done so, and have already been welcomed in by us. The third will be applying today, and will also be welcomed. We're not excluding anyone here.

The other issue here, besides the kind of animosity and extreme views that are EXACTLY what have been showcased here in the last 24 hours (not cool!) is partisan politics and the public image of Avalon.

The threads were moved to members-only because we don't want to give the disproportionate impression that American politics is what Avalon's all about — which it's really not.

Is this 'public image of Avalon' near the top of the concern list?

Should it not be Avalon's image? Public or not.

It seems to me that it's all too little, too late.......... Akin to arguing about the wallpaper in the dining room of the Titanic, as the ship is sinking.

Globally, internet forums are sliding. Maybe it's attention span, maybe it's user preference........ What was hip yesterday, isn't so tomorrow. I think a conversation about the long-term preservation of this particular site and it's S.O.P. maybe of greater importance than the public perception thereof.

Regards.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
Is this 'public image of Avalon' near the top of the concern list?

No it's not. My own prime concern is the strength of hostility and animosity that political partisan expression generates. Some of that has been expressed here, pretty violently, in the last 24 hours.

And of course, moving the threads to members-only doesn't address that. Providing a means to ignore personally chosen threads might have, but it's a moot point because we couldn't implement it.

But here's a question in return... for anyone to respond to.

Do you really think that Avalon is performing a valuable public service by making this material publicly visible? That seems to be the issue here. And it's a genuine question.

Again, the number of people who've written to us still stands at 3 (three).
(And, again, all three are welcomed as new members.)

[Bluegreen]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
We're not excluding anyone here.

Couldn't disagree more

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bluegreen (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
We're not excluding anyone here.

Couldn't disagree more

But who's being excluded?

[Kryztian]

Mod note from Bill: I copied this over from where it was first posted, here. I edited it down to these two paragraphs.

DO READ.

~~~

Part of the problem is that the Q-anon material is related to political ideology (pro-Trump, pro-conservative) and the problem at Avalon is that so many people are evaluating this matter based on the ideological hopes and desires. Shortly after Q-anon appeared I watched an Infowars commentator discuss how the Q materials have to be believed as an article of faith, just like fundamentalists Christians believe the Bible without any questioning or criticism.

And that same fundamentalist attitude has carried over on to Avalon. On the "elite swamp critters" thread one sees unintelligent trust and worship of certain politicians (Trump admin supporters) and the absolute lambasting of others (usually Democrats). Also, there is often hostility towards any Avalon member that comes on this thread and is critical of Q. And there is also blind, unjustifiable rudeness and hostility that come from some of the critics of Q. This is not to say that all of those who support or deny the Q-materials are unkind and unintelligent, but many of the unkind and unintelligent often exhibit their worst behaviors on these threads. These behaviors make some of us embarrassed to be associated with Avalon.

~~~

From Bill: Amen to that.

[gini]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
Is this 'public image of Avalon' near the top of the concern list?

No it's not. My own prime concern is the strength of hostility and animosity that political partisan expression generates. Some of that has been expressed here, pretty violently, in the last 24 hours.

And of course, moving the threads to members-only doesn't address that. Providing a means to ignore personally chosen threads might have, but it's a moot point because we couldn't implement it.

But here's a question in return... for anyone to respond to.

Do you really think that Avalon is performing a valuable public service by making this material publicly visible? That seems to be the issue here. And it's a genuine question.

Again, the number of people who've written to us still stands at 3 (three).
(And, again, all three are welcomed as new members.)

I think that Avalon is absolutely doing an important public service by making this -and many more threads-publicly visible! But i really dont think thats the only issue here,its seriously touching a painful spot of being again pushed in the corner,shadowbanned,hidden.
That unjust feeling like why we but not them? The feeling Avalon is choosing side..