Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

[Chester]

Coronavirus hype, the biggest political hoax in history

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ax-in-history/

Frankly, I was surprised by so many "veterans of conspiracy" as to their commentary along the way... that they couldn't see the hype and instead, fanned the flames of fear.

[Eric J (Viking)]

This video is interesting.... The chap speaking doesn't hold back...

Austrian government... And he's supposed to be right wing... Lol

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TMseRgpj2Es

https://youtu.be/TMseRgpj2Es

[Eric J (Viking)]

Another here Italy....

https://fromrome.info/2020/04/25/ita...d-on-covid-19/



Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things.

He says false statistics are being use to terrorize the citizens of Italy and establish a dictatorship. He makes his statements on the vigil of April, 25, which celebrates the liberation of Italy by the Allied powers in World War II.

Viking

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you viking for those links. It seems our friends in Europe have greater restrictions on personal freedom, but a much more honest debate happening in the political arena.

[Dorjezigzag]

Posted by Chester (here)
We've all been scammed (as I said in delicate words on February 26th) -

CDC revises their numbers for "erroneous coding" -

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

As of April 25, 2020 - the US numbers were: IHME - 53,139 Johns Hopkins - 53,731 (at 10:30 PM Eastern Time)

CDC slashes their numbers to...

37,308

This "media projected" severity of this virus has been a massive scam on humanity. And we all (well, most of us), to varying degrees, fell for it.

No, The CDC Did Not Revise Down The Number Of COVID-19 Deaths
Several tweets went viral that falsely claimed the CDC had drastically revised down the number of deaths in the US from the coronavirus — but it seems some people didn't read to the end of the page.

As of Saturday, the CDC says more than 64,000 people have died in the US, but the false tweets accused them of quietly cutting that figure in half.

The most prominent tweet came from right-wing media personality Tim Young.

Young linked to a provisional count of COVID-19 deaths from the National Vital Statistics System, an inter-governmental system which tracks births and deaths in the US and which on Friday night put the figure close to 37,000.


But the table Young links to clearly states that data only covers the period from Feb. 1 to April 25.

Moreover, the National Vital Statistics System website makes clear that it has a significant lag in counting deaths because it relies on tabulating official death certificates it receives.



"It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated," reads a prominent disclaimer above the data. "Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods."

"Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes," reads another footnote.

In comparison, the CDC’s actual most up-to-date count of COVID-19 deaths is on a separate site and shows more than 64,000 people have died in the US.

As the CDC states, that tally is updated daily based on data received from state health bodies: "Case notifications were received by CDC from U.S. public health jurisdictions and the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS)."

Neither that CDC figure, nor the National Vital Statistics System page, have been revised down.

In its count, the CDC also includes cases where coronavirus was the probable cause of death, not simply the confirmed cause of death. As the CDC states, "A probable case or death is defined by one of the following: Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19; Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence; Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...misinformation

[shaberon]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
As far as I know there are only two theories being posited:

1. Virus from pigs in Wuhan wet market
2. Bio-weapon from lab in Wuhan

Most new tests (California, New York, and France) indicate this was widespread before it was discovered, and the Chinese variety is genetically younger. So those two theories are "least likely" of all possibilities. Of course, the best we can do here is the "on the ground" observations from Colorado or anywhere, which can only surmise that it had already been well at work.

Suing China over this appears, on the face of it, insane. Usually, when one attempts to play such a strong blame game, it is a cover-up. Certainly, the closest research towards this kind of virus was a joint project between China and UNC; Fort Detrick may have been close. So if there is a lab history to it, then it probably has at least some domestic assistance.

I don't know, but it seems to me that Wuhan was only the "discovery point", and is highly unlikely to be the ultimate origin.

[DaveToo]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)
As far as I know there are only two theories being posited:

1. Virus from pigs in Wuhan wet market
2. Bio-weapon from lab in Wuhan

Most new tests (California, New York, and France) indicate this was widespread before it was discovered, and the Chinese variety is genetically younger. So those two theories are "least likely" of all possibilities. Of course, the best we can do here is the "on the ground" observations from Colorado or anywhere, which can only surmise that it had already been well at work.

Suing China over this appears, on the face of it, insane. Usually, when one attempts to play such a strong blame game, it is a cover-up. Certainly, the closest research towards this kind of virus was a joint project between China and UNC; Fort Detrick may have been close. So if there is a lab history to it, then it probably has at least some domestic assistance.

I don't know, but it seems to me that Wuhan was only the "discovery point", and is highly unlikely to be the ultimate origin.

I'm willing to buy into any theory that makes sense.

Could you try to 'make sense' of your theory?

Let's look at this from the planned point of view.
So you tell the public the virus originated at a wet market in Wuhan...
But you actually release it in a variety of locations: California, New York, and France
Reasons for all of this, so that it makes sense?

[shaberon]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)

It is impossible that the reported deaths are more this year than previous years.

A telling stat would be one that shows deaths broken down according to the primary cause. That would show whether the stats are being manipulated. It would show the regular deaths expected by the major killers and the excess deaths related to covid. It would be impossible to refute. These partial stats mean nothing because they can hide the truth without directly lying.

More deaths than other years would mean that this covid thing is far more virulent than it is.

Why would it be impossible? We can have death spikes or gluts any time.

The CDC does break down deaths by cause. If we cannot figure out whether the flu-like ones are influenza or coronavirus, then, you just get a debatable sphere of pulmonary death. Doesn't change the definite count of corpses.

West Virginia: 40 confirmed covid deaths, but, well over 2,000 more than their seasonal average.

If we say that covid numbers are "inflated", maybe there were only 20, or even if we assume West Virginia was too indifferent to even try to identify it, and it killed many, many more, like 80, that is still a big gap to cover, in terms of an unusual amount of death in a small area in a short period of time.

I wouldn't trust a death certificate to begin with, for any kind of explanation, but it is believable for the body count. However you slice it, these are higher than average in badly-affected areas, and somewhat below, in others, except whatever happened to West Virginia.

I don't really like statistical averages, like giving me mortality per 100,000 in an area where there are only half that many people. Everything is very localized. I think the real stories from specific places will tell us a lot more than mathematical modeling.

[Elainie]

A man here with stage 4 lung cancer in a nursing home my daughter works at died, he DID NOT have covid, YET what do you think his cause of death was labeled? Yes, you guessed it covid. My daughter called me earlier to tell me, one of the reasons she went back to work in healthcare was to see it from the inside as an insider.

[shaberon]

Posted by DaveToo (here)

I'm willing to buy into any theory that makes sense.

Could you try to 'make sense' of your theory?

Let's look at this from the planned point of view.
So you tell the public the virus originated at a wet market in Wuhan...
But you actually release it in a variety of locations: California, New York, and France
Reasons for all of this, so that it makes sense?

Me too, and yes, it was my theory or suspicion at first, which has only been confirmed by everything, viz.:

Massachusetts sewage test. Showed the presence was on orders of magnitude beyond the previous detections--a few hundred known cases at the time vanished in the detection of levels that indicate something more than 50,000.

Stanford, Cali: came up on only a "small percentage", but, given the numbers, again would be something like 50,000 people.

France, Pasteur institute: same findings, plus it is neither from China nor Italy.

I know nothing of a "planned release", that would be insane, on the part of any faction. I suppose it could be, or a lab-made accident, but so far I would say the "planning" is all in the story. The role of planned stories is to disconnect from objective reality and replace it with false views.

The plan is, tell the public it started in Wuhan. Tell the public it started in Wuhan. Tell the public it started in Wuhan.

Was there a contingency plan for an epidemic, yes...it just didn't have much to do with medical supplies, which are being stolen.

Overall, since there appears to be a long-running plan to jettison the U. S. when it is no longer useful, I think we are there. It has reached the point of looking like a violent idiot to almost everyone else in the world, not any kind of leader or someone you even want around, and its international arm or petro-dollar has taken an incredible beating, which means it is no longer relevant (at least for the long-term future). People used to speculate that Trump came to manage the disassembly of the country; on purpose or not, he may have to do it.

Like vultures, what is happening was...waiting around to happen, and this disease is just the trigger or opportunity, whether it is a natural or man-made cause.

If we don't know the origin, we do more or less know the reaction timeline:

November 2019--U. S. intel shared with NATO and Israel about likelihood of outbreak. Virus not identified yet, so it should have been impossible to say it was new.

Months of nothing except senators and ceo's dumping their business concerns while the public message is "nothing".

March 2020--emergency from out of nowhere followed by outrageous money going mostly to rich republicans and the never-before loading of the Fed with toxic assets and so forth.

April 2020: get back to work, meat packers and Mexicans. Don't, but do.

This picture--to me at least--looks more like someone intentionally pulling the plug on the country. What the virus "did"--in terms of killing the workforce, or making people too sick to work for extended periods of time--is marginal at best. Everything appears to be maintenance of oligarchy, nothing new.

[greybeard]

German virologist: Covid-19 is less deadly than we thought

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vrL9QKGQrWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrL9QKGQrWk

[witchy1]

https://londonreal.tv/robert-f-kenne...qP9BhOLEi3yjaU



This will help us all understand

[greybeard]

Posted by witchy1 (here)
https://londonreal.tv/robert-f-kenne...qP9BhOLEi3yjaU



This will help us all understand

I have a difficulty making out what he is saying and am aware he has a speech impediment.
A brief summary would be helpful.
Chris

[Eric J (Viking)]

Bumped into this on my travels... I really do wonder.

Official figures state 40.9 per cent of acute beds unoccupied — about four times the normal number.
Follow major efforts to discharge patients, and sharp drop in admissions.
Critical care in hotspots at more than normal total capacity, especially in Birmingham and the Black Country, and thousands on oxygen.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/nhs...ZPd08.facebook

Viking

[norman]

Miles Johnston, during a crazy ramble conversation with Kerry Cassidy said a couple of things that made sense, out of 2 hours that didn't, to me.

One was that he's realised, due to a cancellation of a trade show he regularly attends each year, that the XL centre, where the temp Nightingale Hospital is, cancelled it's 2020 bookings in August 2019.

Why ?

[greybeard]

Posted by viking (here)
Bumped into this on my travels... I really do wonder.

Official figures state 40.9 per cent of acute beds unoccupied — about four times the normal number.
Follow major efforts to discharge patients, and sharp drop in admissions.
Critical care in hotspots at more than normal total capacity, especially in Birmingham and the Black Country, and thousands on oxygen.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/nhs...ZPd08.facebook

Viking

I wonder if these hotspots have a lot of 5G masts.
Do they not at the very least require planning permission for them?

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)

It is impossible that the reported deaths are more this year than previous years.

A telling stat would be one that shows deaths broken down according to the primary cause. That would show whether the stats are being manipulated. It would show the regular deaths expected by the major killers and the excess deaths related to covid. It would be impossible to refute. These partial stats mean nothing because they can hide the truth without directly lying.

More deaths than other years would mean that this covid thing is far more virulent than it is.

Why would it be impossible? We can have death spikes or gluts any time.

The CDC does break down deaths by cause. If we cannot figure out whether the flu-like ones are influenza or coronavirus, then, you just get a debatable sphere of pulmonary death. Doesn't change the definite count of corpses.

West Virginia: 40 confirmed covid deaths, but, well over 2,000 more than their seasonal average.

If we say that covid numbers are "inflated", maybe there were only 20, or even if we assume West Virginia was too indifferent to even try to identify it, and it killed many, many more, like 80, that is still a big gap to cover, in terms of an unusual amount of death in a small area in a short period of time.

I wouldn't trust a death certificate to begin with, for any kind of explanation, but it is believable for the body count. However you slice it, these are higher than average in badly-affected areas, and somewhat below, in others, except whatever happened to West Virginia.

I don't really like statistical averages, like giving me mortality per 100,000 in an area where there are only half that many people. Everything is very localized. I think the real stories from specific places will tell us a lot more than mathematical modeling.

What I mean by impossible is that life has become quite a lot different these last few months, and, according to my working understanding of the cause of almost any death, the cause has been much mitigated in this same time period.

People are getting their rest.

Add to this the fewer cars on the road with less industry active equals cleaner air, and the leading causes of deaths - heart and lung disease and car accidents must be way down. This along with other causes of death related to our modern way of life being also reduced.

If one takes into account all these areas, the death toll should be lower regardless of a 15% infection rate and .05% death rate from a novel flu strain.

That was my thinking then anyway.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

This girl explains the current situation in the UK. Awareness is rising.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FpQyoHPNfZo

[shaberon]

[QUOTE=Ernie Nemeth;1354961]

Posted by shaberon (here)

What I mean by impossible is that life has become quite a lot different these last few months, and, according to my working understanding of the cause of almost any death, the cause has been much mitigated in this same time period.

Yes, many causes are reduced, and it slows other communicable diseases; in some places, mortality is below average.

It has been mentioned before but suicide is accelerating at a factor perhaps ten times the virus deaths.

That one is tricky, how do we "take responsibility" for suicide? It's not much but a mirror of the actual state of affairs.

No "War on Suicide"? When was the last time somebody really went around to fix this place so people didn't feel like killing themselves? Not an issue we're mature enough to discuss? It just keeps getting worse, our rate is up something like 35% since 1999.

Australia has 97 virus deaths and expects to "add 750 to 1,500 suicides to the annual average of 3,000 deaths from suicide". Presumably it will go like that until the economy is "fixed", years.

Overdoses continue and there is no lack of murder around here, they found a chick in a trunk, another guy was doing 109 mph in a construction zone on I-95 and while ramming some troopers, got up to 140 before it was over and they guy is seventy-five years old. Some people did at least fifty-seven car break-ins during this time.

Just near here are cases in twenty-two meat packing plants, people are terrified, and there, it is about risking your life for work. So they say. The main ones the government wants to work, are the main ones who don't want to to it.

[DaveToo]

It doesn't seem many people are reading the "Exosome" thread so I'll re-post my question here in this thread.
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I would like to run this by both those who do accept the 'exosome theory' for this pandemic and those who don't, who could offer explanations for my questions.

Let's assume for the sake of this discussion that the 'exosome theory' is correct.
That is, there is no Covid-19 virus, and no viruses of any kind.

If this is the case,

How do we explain:

1. Disease that grows then subsides in around 60 days everywhere in the world (as per the Covid-19 case charts)?

2. What is causing these diseases? This is really troublesome because there would need to be multiple causes AND they would all need to present the SAME symptoms.

3. If the cause in some areas are the 5G towers, wouldn't the disease (number of cases) just continue to grow?

4. How did TPTB get 'enemies' such as Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and North Korea etc. to play along and use the SAME tests?
If they didn't use these tests the illnesses and deaths could simply be attributed as flu illnesses/deaths, on par with the numbers collated each year for seasonal flu.

Why are these 'rogue' countries so anxious to play along with this game, if there is no virus?
Or even if they believe there is a virus, why are they using their "enemies" testing kits and locking down their countries to their own country's demise?