The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[Forest Denizen]

I’ve been trying to understand the viewpoints here and I’ve been having some serious issues doing so.

If there was a movement, an uprising, in Myanmar by the Rohingya people protesting their treatment by police and military forces, and using the term “Rohingya Lives Matter!” would you interject and complain that they were being used by TPTB to divert attention away from, say, the Babylonian Money Magic System under which we are all enslaved?

When the Palestinians are protesting their mistreatment and marginalization by the Israeli military, do you jump in waving your hands and shouting, say “Hey, many of these military folks are actually good people (which I’m sure they are) and what about the Uighur’s in China”?

Or if the Uighur’s were holding up signs “Uighur Lives Matter!” would you complain that, “Hey, many of the Han Chinese majority are good people, give them a break! This whole Uighur thing is just to distract you from the fact that there is a New World Order Agenda afoot”?

Yes, of course All Lives Matter. But do we insist on drowning out the narrative that Black Lives Matter and call it a psyop by TPTB, ignore their systematic oppression by the white majority in the U. S. because, admitting the Black Lives Matter movement is justified means you are bowing to TPTB? Where does that get us? Undermining the Black Lives Matter Movement will get us where exactly?

I’m honestly asking this because I’ve been distressed by this uprising against a movement which is in search of fairer treatment for Black people in the U.S. and world in general. And yes, of course I realize that the movement has been infiltrated by bad actors on the left and right, but so have all worthwhile efforts that are a potential threat to TPTB.

I believe that Black Lives Matter is an important step in a journey forward in recognition that Tibetan Lives Matter, Uighur Lives Matter, Rohingya Lives Matter, Palestinian Lives Matter, Native American Lives Matter, that ALL Lives Matter. But if you are insisting that this first step, Black Lives Matter, is just a psyop, well, what then?

[Dorjezigzag]

Posted by Ken (here)
I’ve been trying to understand the viewpoints here and I’ve been having some serious issues doing so.

If there was a movement, an uprising, in Myanmar by the Rohingya people protesting their treatment by police and military forces, and using the term “Rohingya Lives Matter!” would you interject and complain that they were being used by TPTB to divert attention away from, say, the Babylonian Money Magic System under which we are all enslaved?

When the Palestinians are protesting their mistreatment and marginalization by the Israeli military, do you jump in waving you’re hands and shouting, say “Hey, many of these military folks are actually good people (which I’m sure they are) and what about the Uighur’s in China”?

Or if the Uighur’s were holding up signs “Uighur Lives Matter!” would you complain that, “Hey, many of the Han Chinese majority are good people, give them a break! This whole Uighur thing is just to distract you from the fact that there is a New World Order Agenda afoot”?

Yes, of course All Lives Matter. But do we insist on drowning out the narrative that Black Lives Matter and call it a psyop by TPTB, ignore their systematic oppression by the white majority in the U. S. because, admitting the Black Lives Matter movement is justified means you are bowing to TPTB? Where does that get us? Attempting to castrate the Black Lives Movement will get us where exactly?

I’m honestly asking this because I’ve been distressed by this uprising against a movement which is in search of fairer treatment for Black people in the U.S. and world in general. And yes, of course I realize that the movement has been infiltrated by bad actors on the left and right, but so have all worthwhile efforts that are a potential threat to TPTB.

I believe that Black Lives Matter is an important step in a journey forward in recognition that Tibetan Lives Matter, Uighur Lives Matter, Rohingya Lives Matter, Palestinian Lives Matter, Native American Lives Matter, that ALL Lives Matter. But if you are insisting that this first step, Black Lives Matter, is just a psyop, well, what then?

These protests would not happen in most of the examples you have given because they are genuinely oppressed people and would not be allowed. Many of the arguments of the black lives matter movement are false and not based on a honest reflection of self-responsibility trying to project many of their own self created problems on the 'white' demon. The whole white privilege narrative is racist and is bringing back the spectre of identity politics which will eventually get very messy. Many White people are being excluded from the debate at the moment because they can highlight certain gaping holes in the narrative, this again is racist and against our western values of freedom of speech and open debate.

Currently, in the USA and most European countries, a black student will have to achieve lower grades in order to attend university than its white and Asian counterparts, Most companies will guarantee a certain quota of black employees even if they are not the most suitable candidate. You could argue this is prejudice against non-black people, why should they have to work and study harder than their black counterparts. Tell me of any apartheid laws in the USA or Europe that discriminate against black people?

A country that has not been mentioned where actual oppression is happening is South Africa. and why is that, could it perhaps be because the opressed people there are white. White people are being banned from purchasing farms and are attacked on a regular basis, there are future plans for a ban on white ownership of property and businesses. In South Africa, there is again a quota on companies employing black people and again this is prejudiced against white people. There is no imperative to employ white people but a company needs to employ a certain amount of black people before they can employ any white people. High ranking politicians openly call for a white genocide and are not charged or reprimanded. There is no mainstream media outcry.

I have noticed that some of my South African friends have started putting up white lives matter on their Facebook and I can imagine that many people reading this now will be thinking how dare they, how racist. I would argue they are experiencing greater oppression than there black US counterparts so have just as much right.

ALL LIVES MATTER!

[Gwin Ru]

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From Jim Stone:

BLOCKBUSTER: DEMOCRAT CAMPAIGN FUNDING WEB SITE TIED DIRECTLY TO BLACK LIVES MATTER

Donations to Black Lives Matter go directly to the DNC, including international funding

I went through all of this and confirmed it 100 percent legit, I first learned about it HERE. Here it is, laid out in one of my graphics as clearly as it could possibly be. This is confirmed folks, BLM is the DNC's baby.

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[Sophocles]

Sad but fully understandable...

‘You won’t need to abolish us – we won’t be around for it’: Why I and many of my colleagues are quitting as US police officers

RT
10 Jun, 2020

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Travis Yates is a serving police commander in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He is a doctoral student in Strategic Leadership, a graduate of the FBI National Academy, and the author of "The Courageous Police Leader: A Survival Guide for Combating Cowards, Chaos & Lies”. This article was first published on lawofficer.com
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After more than 27 years in the force, I’ve had enough. These protests and riots are the final straw. The nasty words we get called all the time have now turned into rocks, bottles and gunfire. It’s over, America: we are leaving.

This is the hardest thing I have written.

I grew up in a law enforcement family. My father worked his way up to the rank of Captain at the Fort Smith, Arkansas, Police Department. As a kid I remember going with him on Friday to pick up his check and I was in awe of these super heroes he worked around.

My dad sacrificed a lot and so did my late mother. Whether it was the week-long surveillance or wiretap or chasing drug runners across the country, he gave it all for my family and worked plenty of extra details to never let our family be without. Some would call that privilege but where I grew up, it was called hard work.

The kids at school thought it was cool what my dad did and while he sometimes asked me if anyone gave me a hard time, they never did. There was respect among all… even the kids in shop class.

I didn’t grow up wanting to be a cop but one fateful night, as a freshman in college, that all changed.

I went on a ride along and my life’s journey would never be the same.

After four years of college my dad wanted me at an agency that respected that education so I moved to Tulsa (Oklahoma) at 21 years old and never looked back.

I didn’t know anyone and all I knew was what I saw my dad do, work hard and treat people with respect. I saw a lot of other cops working hard as well and doing all they could to keep the community safe.

27 years has passed and if you would have told me the condition of law enforcement today, I would have never believed you.

It’s not that law enforcement has changed for the worse but everything around it has.

The mentally ill used to get treatment and now they just send cops. Kids used to be taught respect and now it’s cool to be disrespectful.

Supervisors used to back you when you were right but now they accuse you of being wrong in order to appease crazy people.

Parents used to get mad at their kids for getting arrested and now they get mad at us.

The media used to highlight the positive contribution our profession gave to society and now they either ignore it or twist the truth for controversy to line their own pockets.

There used to be a common respect among criminals. If they got caught, they understood you had a job to do but now it’s our fault they sit in handcuffs rather than their own personal decisions.

If someone attacked a cop, they were seen as such. Now we martyr them and sue for millions.

We used to be able to testify in court and we were believed. Now, unless there is video from three different angles, no one cares what you have to say.

With all this talk about racism and racist cops, I’ve never seen people treated differently because of their race. And while I know that cowards that have never done this job will call me racist for saying it, all I’ve ever seen was criminal behavior and cops trying to stop it and they didn’t give a rip what their skin color was.

I’ve seen cops help and save any type of race, gender or ethnicity you can think of and while that used to mean something, no one cares anymore.

I’ve been called every name you can think of and many of them with racial overtones and it’s never come from cops. I’ve watched African American cops take the brunt of this and even talked one rookie out of quitting after he was berated by a lot of cowards that had the same skin color as him.

I’ve heard words I never heard before being a cop.

Uncle Tom, Cracker, Pig and the N Word just to name a few. I’ve heard them thousands of times and never once did I see a police officer retaliate.

They just took it.

Despite that, it’s been the greatest opportunity of my life to do this job. I would have recommended it to anyone and I secretly hoped one of my kids would do it one day.

They would have been a 4th Generation Cop.

But today, all of that is over. I wouldn’t wish this job on my worst enemy. I would never send anyone I cared about into the hell that this profession has become.

It’s the only job you can do everything right and lose everything.

It’s the only job where the same citizens you risk your life for hate you for it.

It’s the only segment left in society where it’s cool to discriminate and judge, just because of the uniform you wear.

You never get to explain.

You can never reason with them.

The nasty words have now turned into rocks and bottles and gunfire.

I’ve watched it happen to those around me and I have seen the total destruction of their life.

This job is a walking time bomb and you could get cancelled or prosecuted on the very next call, even if you do everything right.

No profession has to deal with that.

Doctors kill 250,000 people a year. They call them “medical mistakes” because society understands that they do a very difficult job under high stress and they must make the best possible decision in the moment.

Law enforcement is tasked with the same and we are highly successful. Despite the most violent society we have ever seen, less than 1,000 suspects are killed a year. 96% are attacking us with weapons and all but a few others are attacking us with their cars or their fists and more and more with simulated guns so Benjamin Crump (an American civil rights attorney) can help their family win the lottery.

I’ve seen cops risk their own lives when they shouldn’t have… just to keep from taking one.

They never get the credit that other professions get.

Cowards are all around us. From chiefs to sheriffs to politicians, no one has our back.

Now, the little we have, we are told they are going to defund us or even abolish us. Citizens with a political agenda will reign over us and all you have to do is wake up and put on a uniform to be a racist.

This weekend I received death threats for just doing my job. It would have been outrageous a decade ago and made national news.

Now, it’s just a Monday.

There will be more threats, more accusations of racism and more lies told about us.

I used to talk cops out of leaving the job. Now I’m encouraging them.

It’s over America. You finally did it.

You aren’t going to have to abolish the police, we won’t be around for it.

And while I know most Americans still appreciate us, it’s not enough and the risk is too high.

Those of you that say thank you or buy the occasional meal, it means everything.

But those of you that were silent while the slow turning of the knives in our backs happened by thugs and cowards, this is on you.

Your belief in hashtags and memes over the truth has and will create an environment in your community that you will never expect.

If you think Minneapolis will never turn into Mogadishu – it’s coming.

And when it does, remember what your complicity did.

This is the America that you made.

[Dorjezigzag]

The voice of Douglas Murray is very relevant in this discussion

On White Privilege. Only 10 mins

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WF7wIyD707w

On the George Floyd protests

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wcsmKTlo7w0

[DaveToo]

fixing the quotes...

[DaveToo]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is an extremely interesting conversation between Stefan Molyneux and Nick Dial, a former Deputy with a degree in Criminal Justice.

It lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, and a caveat may be needed: it's very very left-brained logical. Between them, they take apart and examine every aspect of what happened, or seems to have happened, prior to and during George Floyd's death.

Those who feel very emotional about the incident might find it tough going. But if there are facts to be considered (and there appear to be many), then those may yet be important.

The key thing is this: it seems to be very possible that a jury, following a tight and well-conducted defense of Derek Chauvin, calling on all the evidence available, may well NOT be able to convict him or the other officers on the current charges.

Thanks Bill.
I couldn't bring myself to watch more than 15 minutes of it.

I got where the ex-cop was coming from. I got what Stefan was saying.

Yes, very technical as you said.
But here's the thing (and I'm going to assume that they never touched on this for the rest of the video),

Even if the knee-neck restraint was 'legal' for the police force in Minneapolis, this surely wasn't:

When four police officers and multiple bystander witnesses can clearly hear a person pleading for his life that they can't breathe, for more than 5 minutes, and the force is never relinquished, then you can throw all those other law book excuses out the window.

Nope, listen to the whole thing.

Bill I went against my better judgment and watched a little more of the interview.

Are you referring to the part where they discuss that it wasn't the neck hold that caused the death, but rather a heart attack?

Or maybe you are thinking of something else?

[AuCo]

I pulled this letter writen by an anonymous history professor at U.C. Berkeley, from a Zero Hedge page. It is some what lengthy but a rather good read:

UC Berkeley History Professor's Open Letter Against BLM, Police Brutality and Cultural Orthodoxy

Dear profs X, Y, Z

I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.

In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.




In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.

Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or 'Uncle Toms'. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.

The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.

A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email. Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates' undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black.

Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries.

And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department's apparent desire to shoulder the 'white man's burden' and to promote a narrative of white guilt.

If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it's fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. "Those are racist dogwhistles". "The model minority myth is white supremacist". "Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime", ad nauseam.

These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.

Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM's problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.

I personally don't dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.

The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.

No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald's and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.

The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn't led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices - as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.

Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden's 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the 'systemic racism' there was built by successive Democrat administrations.

The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you.

The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.

There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called 'race hustlers': hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.

Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist.

MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?

As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.

And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species.

I'm ashamed of my department. I would say that I'm ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It's hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.

It shouldn't affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.

The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites.

No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.

I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party's uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd's death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.

I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.

[AutumnW]

AuCo,

The protests are about extreme police brutality. The professor may be perfectly correct but it is an apple and oranges 'debate.' Please read the thread I just created called, "Confessions of a Bastard Cop," It is more germaine to the issue and why people are protesting.

The protesting is not about how inequality is arrayed on a spectrum starting in impoverished neighbourhoods and then pulling a kind of u-turn in academia. It is almost purely about murder and violence. It is this conflating of apples and oranges that is confusing to people trying to understand what is going on. I read Zero Hedge a few times a week, and have to discount for their alt right bias, all.the.time.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Sophocles (here)
Sad but fully understandable...

‘You won’t need to abolish us – we won’t be around for it’: Why I and many of my colleagues are quitting as US police officers

RT
10 Jun, 2020

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Travis Yates is a serving police commander in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He is a doctoral student in Strategic Leadership, a graduate of the FBI National Academy, and the author of "The Courageous Police Leader: A Survival Guide for Combating Cowards, Chaos & Lies”. This article was first published on lawofficer.com
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After more than 27 years in the force, I’ve had enough. These protests and riots are the final straw. The nasty words we get called all the time have now turned into rocks, bottles and gunfire. It’s over, America: we are leaving.

This is the hardest thing I have written.

I grew up in a law enforcement family. My father worked his way up to the rank of Captain at the Fort Smith, Arkansas, Police Department. As a kid I remember going with him on Friday to pick up his check and I was in awe of these super heroes he worked around.

My dad sacrificed a lot and so did my late mother. Whether it was the week-long surveillance or wiretap or chasing drug runners across the country, he gave it all for my family and worked plenty of extra details to never let our family be without. Some would call that privilege but where I grew up, it was called hard work.

The kids at school thought it was cool what my dad did and while he sometimes asked me if anyone gave me a hard time, they never did. There was respect among all… even the kids in shop class.

I didn’t grow up wanting to be a cop but one fateful night, as a freshman in college, that all changed.

I went on a ride along and my life’s journey would never be the same.

After four years of college my dad wanted me at an agency that respected that education so I moved to Tulsa (Oklahoma) at 21 years old and never looked back.

I didn’t know anyone and all I knew was what I saw my dad do, work hard and treat people with respect. I saw a lot of other cops working hard as well and doing all they could to keep the community safe.

27 years has passed and if you would have told me the condition of law enforcement today, I would have never believed you.

It’s not that law enforcement has changed for the worse but everything around it has.

The mentally ill used to get treatment and now they just send cops. Kids used to be taught respect and now it’s cool to be disrespectful.

Supervisors used to back you when you were right but now they accuse you of being wrong in order to appease crazy people.

Parents used to get mad at their kids for getting arrested and now they get mad at us.

The media used to highlight the positive contribution our profession gave to society and now they either ignore it or twist the truth for controversy to line their own pockets.

There used to be a common respect among criminals. If they got caught, they understood you had a job to do but now it’s our fault they sit in handcuffs rather than their own personal decisions.

If someone attacked a cop, they were seen as such. Now we martyr them and sue for millions.

We used to be able to testify in court and we were believed. Now, unless there is video from three different angles, no one cares what you have to say.

With all this talk about racism and racist cops, I’ve never seen people treated differently because of their race. And while I know that cowards that have never done this job will call me racist for saying it, all I’ve ever seen was criminal behavior and cops trying to stop it and they didn’t give a rip what their skin color was.

I’ve seen cops help and save any type of race, gender or ethnicity you can think of and while that used to mean something, no one cares anymore.

I’ve been called every name you can think of and many of them with racial overtones and it’s never come from cops. I’ve watched African American cops take the brunt of this and even talked one rookie out of quitting after he was berated by a lot of cowards that had the same skin color as him.

I’ve heard words I never heard before being a cop.

Uncle Tom, Cracker, Pig and the N Word just to name a few. I’ve heard them thousands of times and never once did I see a police officer retaliate.

They just took it.

Despite that, it’s been the greatest opportunity of my life to do this job. I would have recommended it to anyone and I secretly hoped one of my kids would do it one day.

They would have been a 4th Generation Cop.

But today, all of that is over. I wouldn’t wish this job on my worst enemy. I would never send anyone I cared about into the hell that this profession has become.

It’s the only job you can do everything right and lose everything.

It’s the only job where the same citizens you risk your life for hate you for it.

It’s the only segment left in society where it’s cool to discriminate and judge, just because of the uniform you wear.

You never get to explain.

You can never reason with them.

The nasty words have now turned into rocks and bottles and gunfire.

I’ve watched it happen to those around me and I have seen the total destruction of their life.

This job is a walking time bomb and you could get cancelled or prosecuted on the very next call, even if you do everything right.

No profession has to deal with that.

Doctors kill 250,000 people a year. They call them “medical mistakes” because society understands that they do a very difficult job under high stress and they must make the best possible decision in the moment.

Law enforcement is tasked with the same and we are highly successful. Despite the most violent society we have ever seen, less than 1,000 suspects are killed a year. 96% are attacking us with weapons and all but a few others are attacking us with their cars or their fists and more and more with simulated guns so Benjamin Crump (an American civil rights attorney) can help their family win the lottery.

I’ve seen cops risk their own lives when they shouldn’t have… just to keep from taking one.

They never get the credit that other professions get.

Cowards are all around us. From chiefs to sheriffs to politicians, no one has our back.

Now, the little we have, we are told they are going to defund us or even abolish us. Citizens with a political agenda will reign over us and all you have to do is wake up and put on a uniform to be a racist.

This weekend I received death threats for just doing my job. It would have been outrageous a decade ago and made national news.

Now, it’s just a Monday.

There will be more threats, more accusations of racism and more lies told about us.

I used to talk cops out of leaving the job. Now I’m encouraging them.

It’s over America. You finally did it.

You aren’t going to have to abolish the police, we won’t be around for it.

And while I know most Americans still appreciate us, it’s not enough and the risk is too high.

Those of you that say thank you or buy the occasional meal, it means everything.

But those of you that were silent while the slow turning of the knives in our backs happened by thugs and cowards, this is on you.

Your belief in hashtags and memes over the truth has and will create an environment in your community that you will never expect.

If you think Minneapolis will never turn into Mogadishu – it’s coming.

And when it does, remember what your complicity did.

This is the America that you made.

As a VERY appropriate counter balance to this, please read, "Confessions of a Bastard Cop" thread I started. I find it hard to believe this is a genuine bit of writing from a cop. If it is, he might be policing in a smaller community, where they aren't militarized. Kind of like Andy of Mayberry.

[AuCo]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
AuCo,

The protests are about extreme police brutality. The professor may be perfectly correct but it is an apple and oranges 'debate.' Please read the thread I just created called, "Confessions of a Bastard Cop," It is more germaine to the issue and why people are protesting.

The protesting is not about how inequality is arrayed on a spectrum starting in impoverished neighbourhoods and then pulling a kind of u-turn in academia. It is almost purely about murder and violence. It is this conflating of apples and oranges that is confusing to people trying to understand what is going on. I read Zero Hedge a few times a week, and have to discount for their alt right bias, all.the.time.

I supposed you are right, AW. I thought looking at a bigger picture might give a better understanding of how important a small part of it can be emphasized upon.

Btw, I did read the thread you mentioned.

Also, I realized ZH is rather rightly biased. Their articles sometimes rattle the ears but don't stink so bad most of the time.

[Luke Holiday]

LOTS of puzzling Questions about the George Floyd Incident:

1. Why does one photo from behind show the man on the road is not handcuffed and the video from the front that he is handcuffed?

. Why is the cop car in the restaurant surveillance video different than the one Floyd was lying behind (different car numbers)?

3. Why were the cops in the surveillance footage that arrested him different than the police in the actual incident?

4. Why does the video show the diesel fuel price as 99 cents instead of the regular price in the area of $2.49?

5. Why does the Police Car have a non-Municipal license plate with “Police” on it?

6. Why does Derek have a completely different police badge on top of a second police badge matching his partner’s if they work for the same precinct?

7. Why is it not odd that both Officers Tou Thao and Derek Chauvin have both previously been investigated for excessive use of force and not charged by State AG Amy Klobuchar? Additionally, Officer Derek Chauvin is married to his partner’s sister Kelli.

8. Is there any cop dumb enough to continue kneeling on someone’s neck for 8 minutes when surrounded by people and being video recorded?

9. Is it possible for the deceased’s cousins and fiancé to be completely tearless during interviews?

10. Why does the main cop have one hand in his pocket most of the time he’s kneeling?

11. Why did the kneeling officer appear completely cool and calm, as if he was posing for the camera?

12. Doesn’t it seem strange that Floyd and the officer that kneeled on his neck worked security together on the same shift at the El Nuevo Rodeo Club, the officer for 17 years (both were laid off because of the Covid Virus)?

13. Why do the neighbors of this officer say they didn’t know he was a cop and never saw him in uniform?

14. Why has the same attorney been hired as with all the other big supposed police killings of blacks? Attorney Benjamin Crump. The same attorney that worked on previous cases that resulted in busses bringing in rioters from outside the city?

15. Why does store surveillance video show Floyd calmly and submissively walking with the officer and not resisting arrest while the officer gently allowed him to sit down on the side walk, and multiple officers calmly chatting with him? Is this the kind of suspect that a police officer would feel the need to put on the ground and place his knee on his neck

16. Why did the EMT workers (wearing Police Uniforms including bullet proof vests) roughly handle and dump the unconscious George on the stretcher? This is not how trained emergency workers lift a person with a possible neck injury. Why did they not attempt triage or try CPR?

17. Can someone really not breath when someone kneels on his neck and is the victim really able to speak for considerable periods of time if he can’t breathe?

18. Post killing: Why is a white man that looks like an undercover (St Paul) cop in black and a riot gear mask carrying a black umbrella walking around breaking windows (and others dressed similarly starting fires) and instigating a riot? Is this reminiscent of “umbrella man” during the JFK shooting?

19. Why were almost all the rioters leading the destruction of the neighborhood at the beginning of the riots “white” and not from Minneapolis…
in a black neighborhood after a police killed a black man?

20. Why did the Chief of Police make it a point that those Inciting the Riots and Arsonists were not from Minnesota?

21. Why was a CNN News Crew not only detained but also Arrested?

Edward E. Hueske
Consulting Forensic Scientist
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Palestine, TX 75803
Here are a few more:

1. The first autopsy concluded he did not die of asphyxiation. Then the family hired another coroner (the same one who lied to the public about Epstein dying) to do a second autopsy who then came to the conclusion they wanted that he died of asphyxia)?

2. Why is George Floyd whose shoulders are massively larger than the cop poised for the camera not struggle when supposedly gasping for breath… He should have been thrashing around struggling for breath it’s an involuntary response….

3. In order to breath, why didn’t the massive Floyd just flick the cop off his back by turning to the side? He has the strength.

4. Why did they have to hold him down at all if he was handcuffed? Why didn’t they just let him stand…where was he gonna go?

5. Why were cops with knees on necks shown in copycat incidents in Paris and Madrid and protests resulted.

6. Post photos of GF looking photoshopped in front of Corona signs.

7. Obama's tweet page

[AutumnW]

Posted by AuCo (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
AuCo,

The protests are about extreme police brutality. The professor may be perfectly correct but it is an apple and oranges 'debate.' Please read the thread I just created called, "Confessions of a Bastard Cop," It is more germaine to the issue and why people are protesting.

The protesting is not about how inequality is arrayed on a spectrum starting in impoverished neighbourhoods and then pulling a kind of u-turn in academia. It is almost purely about murder and violence. It is this conflating of apples and oranges that is confusing to people trying to understand what is going on. I read Zero Hedge a few times a week, and have to discount for their alt right bias, all.the.time.

I supposed you are right, AW. I thought looking at a bigger picture might give a better understanding of how important a small part of it can be emphasized upon.

Btw, I did read the thread you mentioned.

Also, I realized ZH is rather rightly biased. Their articles sometimes rattle the ears but don't stink so bad most of the time.

Thanks for reading it, AuCo. You have an open mind! I was horrified by it...but it has that ring of truth about it, so not easily dismissed!

[AutumnW]

Is it possible for the deceased’s cousins and fiancé to be completely tearless during interviews?

Luke

Absolutely. If they are still in shock, it's how many respond. Also..people who have trauma in their past, particularly about death, will respond by shutting down emotionally subsequent to tragic events.

[Luke Holiday]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Is it possible for the deceased’s cousins and fiancé to be completely tearless during interviews?

Luke

Absolutely. If they are still in shock, it's how many respond. Also..people who have trauma in their past, particularly about death, will respond by shutting down emotionally subsequent to tragic events.

Yep and you are 1/28 …. with a batting average of .035

Peace

[kfm27917]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-...ors-psyop.html

a few videos ( still working at 4:49 PST)
too long to copy.

if U want to see it just goto the link above.

[Catsquotl]

I've been very quiet the last couple of weeks regarding the death of George Floyd and the subsequent unfolding of events.
Still not sure if I should type anything at all. I did hear a few good ideas to keep in mind.
Regardless of the spin this story is getting there is racism. White people do have privileges making life ever so slightly easier in most western countries. Maybe it is time to stop trying to analyse this particular event and to think, listen, educate ourselves and take a step back for a while to let the people who are affected by systemic racism every day have their say and our support.

With Love

[Gwin Ru]

Paris, France... today:

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
Paris, France... today:

Also in London. There are a number of YouTube livestreams, easily found. This page below is one of many containing live text updates.

• https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06...cism-churchill

[Gemma13]

10,000 in Perth Western Australia today.