Moral Reparations And The Activist Ethos

[Mike]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aNi21OFDmsY

I think it would be prudent for everyone to listen to Benjamin Boyce. He experienced, on a micro scale at Evergreen, what we're all experiencing today in the world.

He covers several things in this short video, but one thing stood out to me in particular: activists, in general - regardless of what they're protesting against - are often the same type of person. He doesn't mean they're often black, or trans, or whatever. He means something entirely different. What he means is they're often bitter, resentful, unsuccessful, humorless, lacking in wit, spark, and gamble. They're boring and predictable and nihilistic. And what they're aiming to do is reduce us all to that same set of characteristics. He uses the phrase "the least common denominator".

Have you ever seen a radical activist smile, joke, laugh? Ever? They use their cause as an excuse to maintain a bitterness and a resentfulness that was likely already present long before they adopted that cause

And they want you to be as miserable as them. They won't quit until you are.

We all know people like this. They may not be activists, but we know them. They won't quit until you're as bitter and resentful and miserable as they are. Your successes, to them, are only attributable to luck, or having a more supportive family, or this or that. Their failures are never their fault, they are all outsourced in some way or another. The blame is always with someone or something else.

And their activistism also allows them to feel an unearned sense of moral superiority. It's a convenient way for them to justify their failures and ridicule your successes.

And, actiivism is often a convenient excuse for these types to avoid getting their personal lives in order. That's hard work. Much easier to join a mob and blame everyone else for your shortcomings and failures

[shaberon]

It is a bit like a form of harassment I have experienced.

People are prejudiced against education!

I have had several people explain to me how great they are because they just went to high school and now we just work and go home and watch movies.

If you went to college they are racist against you!

This type does seem to enjoy wiping the smile off your face.

So yes, I agree there is a contingent out there whose role--organized or not--is to make you dumber and more miserable.

[Catsquotl]

Sounds like je hasn't been around activists very long then. I have many a fond memory of times spend with activists...

Does he realize most are just people?

With Love

[Mike]

Posted by Catsquotl (here)
Sounds like je hasn't been around activists very long then. I have many a fond memory of times spend with activists...

Does he realize most are just people?

With Love

That was mostly my observation.

Some activists appear happy and joyful, sure. Ever seen a gay pride parade? They seem downright euphoric! Lol

But what I'm talking about here are the more radical activists types, that loud but small minority attempting to pass their bitterness and insecurity and need for power and validation off as compassion and love

[Catsquotl]

Nope.. I think I got your meaning the first time. And if you call a gay pride parade activism. Well I guess we have to work on our definitions then.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mike (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aNi21OFDmsY

I'm just a couple of minutes in. What the holy hell does "declaring one's pronouns" mean??

[Franny]

The pronouns refer to one's alt gender identity.

Those that don't identify as their birth gender will inform others how they need to be addressed. Compliance with that request is required in some places such as Evergreen I expect.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Franny (here)
The pronouns refer to one's alt gender identity.

Those that don't identify as their birth gender will inform others how they need to be addressed. Compliance with that request is required in some places such as Evergreen I expect.

Jeez. That's so far beyond my reality, it sounds like something out of Monty Python.

So, let me try to understand. If I were asked in a group like that to "declare my pronouns", I'd say, with a straight face, that I wish to be addressed as "he" and "him"?

I can imagine the almost irresistible urge to add a bad joke like

"...and you can take my pants down and check, if you like."

[ClearWater]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Franny (here)
The pronouns refer to one's alt gender identity.

Those that don't identify as their birth gender will inform others how they need to be addressed. Compliance with that request is required in some places such as Evergreen I expect.

Jeez. That's so far beyond my reality, it sounds like something out of Monty Python.

So, let me try to understand. If I were asked in a group like that to "declare my pronouns", I'd say, with a straight face, that I wish to be addressed as "he" and "him"?

I can imagine the almost irresistible urge to add a bad joke like

"...and you can take my pants down and check, if you like."

Yes, you're understanding correctly. Sometimes it seems like half of the people on Twitter include 'their pronouns' in their profile. When I first started noticing it, I thought it was some kind of joke I wasn't in on. It's not.

[Catsquotl]

In the vid he makes a few points to think about.

During his explanation for moral wealth although he is trying to decouple it from monetary wealth he uses monetary reperations as an example.
Which is as insideous a goading of the mind into a certain direction as is the compelling of "correct" pronoun usage.

In the case of money I would argue that the growing of monetary wealth did diminish the possibility of creating wealth from loads and loads of people.
And even though Moral wealth may behave differently than money streams comparing the 2 in this instance is directing the mind into a certain way.

Now all of the activists remarks in previous posts describe exactly the kind of human being he is warning towards against the end. The people who were swallowed by the proverbial abyss.

I have seen it happen in many of my friends who started out as life loving, morally good people getting into activism and spend years working through the bitterness of said abyss..
So for whatever it's worth this conversation has taken a rather simplistic view of a group of people we call activists and forgot to remember that such a group is made up of individual people.

Also, when you find yourself in a setting where everyone is compelled to declaring their pronouns, no one is stopping you from asking the rest of the group to use whatever pronoun for you they feel like instead of fighting the compelled speech idea.
Those that can still think and be emathetic to what is happening will find ways to deal with it without being forces to oppose ideas that we are being goaded towards.

With Love
Eelco

[Franny]

Bill, you could get by with simply admitting you are a cisgender male. It will be understood but may make the person nervous.

For some examples of additional personal pronouns I took a look and here is what I found here:

https://bestlifeonline.com/guide-to-gender-pronouns/

In addition to the gender-neutral pronouns listed in the above chart (they, ze, and ve), a couple other common gender-neutral pronouns include xe/xem/xyr/xyrs/xemself and per/pers/perself.

Non-binary individuals also sometimes elect to replace pronouns with their name and then use the third person. For many gender-confirming individuals, this simple change can be easier to get the hang of.

There are many more. Last year I read that a state (or university?) allowed for 19 different gender identities and each had their pronouns that must be adhered to.

[Agape]

But he is also caught in his own analysis and so many people are.

For higher perspective on Life on this Planet, certain kind of consciousness leap -some would call it philosophical leap is required unless you were born and endowed with one, even then,
there is “no safe exit” from the logical loop people like him are caught in. Firstly, any “exit” towards a greater realisation of a greater whole feels extremely unsafe for little human minds.
It’s where groups but also religions and governmental policies become important medium between the feel of “simple individual” and the “universe”😋

There are many “rites of passage” and ways how do people attain higher insight but it’s a work of consciousness rather than intellectual process.
Strong intellect and education do play a role of course as long as you become satiated and desperate with your intellectual analysis at the end of the process.

Children -in essence- don’t or wouldn’t have to go through such despair if they were educated by “enlightened adults”. But mostly, these days it’s not the case.

If one can not come to terms with their own 2-3 D intellectual analysis that is running through closed logical circuits, there is no arrow shoot up to the “greater whole”.


Even scholars who have studied philosophies and religions for most of their life and had couple “revelatory insights” that satisfied their curiosity usually stay with their closed loop analysis because it’s what “works at schools” and teaching people even simple logic is still, extremely important.

It seems there’s a small amount of individuals compared to the vastness of human populace endowed with higher conscious insight to reality and often than not we and them hope to guide others who can “make the leap”

but there’s no panacea for brains in evolution :)

There has to be both the right condition and conscious willing.


About the rest, moral and purely intellectual analysis of the dichotomy and duality of human thought and behaviour looks good at the beginning but degrades by itself.

People engaging in it often forget to include the 100th monkey or understand about their thought process from 4D perspective even.
His thinking too is part of the same activism. If people fail to evolve vertically they can evolve only horizontally, towards social thinking and human collectives ,
at the end they’re bound to lose it to the “whole”.


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[Mashika]

Posted by Franny (here)
The pronouns refer to one's alt gender identity.

Those that don't identify as their birth gender will inform others how they need to be addressed. Compliance with that request is required in some places such as Evergreen I expect.

Personally, i think that's not something cool, who cares if i like girls or boys? Why should i need to tell them or that stuff be part of any conversation? I don't get it. I think that by forcing the topic and pointing out "i'm a boy, call me a boy, or girl or furry whatever" i'm just causing them to see something different in me and treat me different than everyone else

But i don't understand a lot of the stuff going on in the US, i would rather not try at this point

Another thing is this, at least on the groups of people i hang out with, we don't call anyone by he/she /him/her, it's more like if there's a guy named Shane and suddenly he's Sharon or whatever, it would go like this

Before the change:
- Hey, where's Shane?
+ Shane's at the bathroom, or just (at the bathroom)(In that room)(outside)
- Is Shane ok?
+ Yeah, Shane's fine

After the change:
- Hey, have you seen Sharon?
+ Sharon's at the bathroom, or just (at the bathroom) (In that room)(outside)
- Is Sharon ok?
+ Yeah, Sharon's fine

No need for he, she etc. so let's avoid the entire problem, if you know someone is very sure about how he/she feels, then you say 'he' or 'she' but there's not even a need

And all the groups or when talking to more than one person you can just say "hey guys" or "you guys" and such.

[Franny]

But i don't understand a lot of the stuff going on in the US, i would rather not try at this point

I expect most people don't understand what is going on here either

[shaberon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Those that don't identify as their birth gender will inform others how they need to be addressed. Compliance with that request is required in some places such as Evergreen I expect.[

Jeez. That's so far beyond my reality, it sounds like something out of Monty Python.

I know a "They".

"Identify with"? is the subject that stalls me.

[Agape]

Posted by Franny (here)
Bill, you could get by with simply admitting you are a cisgender male. It will be understood but may make the person nervous.

For some examples of additional personal pronouns I took a look and here is what I found here:

https://bestlifeonline.com/guide-to-gender-pronouns/

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In addition to the gender-neutral pronouns listed in the above chart (they, ze, and ve), a couple other common gender-neutral pronouns include xe/xem/xyr/xyrs/xemself and per/pers/perself.

Non-binary individuals also sometimes elect to replace pronouns with their name and then use the third person. For many gender-confirming individuals, this simple change can be easier to get the hang of.

There are many more. Last year I read that a state (or university?) allowed for 19 different gender identities and each had their pronouns that must be adhered to.

I have also heard about it but somehow, don’t think that such classifications have a future other than within the fringe communities themselves
some of whom are obsessed with body culture and fetishising their needs( quite like some of todays “regular community”, I see no difference).

I do think that human and general biology books will have to be rewritten yet many times, in favour of biodiversity and unique genetic expression.
It is what’s for real and centuries of demagogy from one or another church or hiding people in labs and institutions is not the answer.

Anyone with even one leg footing in medicine could acknowledge and disclose the “truth” about how much diversity and uniqueness there is among “humans” in reality,
how many differences.
In countries where people lived half naked because warm climates in past, their uniqueness was embraced and respected more easily than in the post-modernist Europe and America with generations of people ashamed of their bodies,
passing aged guilt of birth of Judeo-Christian church paradigm,
shaming those with differences.

The whole perspective needs to change before “we get there” and it’s through education and bigger insights to the versatility of adaptation and biology of this planet.

It’s not quite appropriate with me forcing anyone to “define themselves” or create classification system that would enforce such categories.

It does not mean anything to me personally, the part I perceive as “risky” transformation period is today’s obsession with “body culture” and paying so much attention to how everyone looks.

It isn’t new either, it’s said that Old Rome was quite like that, the “sin city” before its fallen, so was the aristocratic Old Egypt, Imperial China and so forth.
Body culture in its extreme leading to body mutilations of all sorts and cultivation of supermen.

It’s something we can never “control” fully because nature is the freak

If you think nature on this planet is anything less than freaky give it a closer look.



Inventing new linguistic categories is kind of nonsense.

Here in India for example, transgender community with its countless variations existed since ever, they too have to “fight for their rights” nowadays
but I’ve met groups of them travelling years ago, full of colours,
they were happy together and regular society would treat them as “Divine gift”.

Rhetorically but you won’t find this in your dictionaries, most old languages have fluid space for assigning genders,
such as female can be addressed as “him” purely out of respect and vice versa and it has nothing to do with their biological gender.
In the “transgender community” I presume there are people who prefer to be “he” one day and “she” another day.

I understand how this breaks some peoples stereotypes but it’s better to take it easy.
It’s easier for me to relate to those people than some who dump on definitions of themselves pressing themselves to certain form and suit and conviction they can’t put off.

Apologies to Bill for responding here anyway.


The thing of concern from my perspective is that all the “body culture” fetishism no matter how elaborate it gets attracts sexual predators and their followers, in large numbers.
To those individuals any scientific or spiritual perspective is unworthy and they hate intellectuals with education( quite like Shaberon said ),
as anything that matches their “reality” has to do with Male-Female energies and balancing their unfulfilled sex issues.

To those people even reading here is exciting as long as it contains certain “triggers” that excite them.



Closing my post with risky label . What about my ET identity ?

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PS: For anyone with those unfulfilled human problems of that kind, please don’t lurk here, the debate is not for you and I’m most certainly not for you or part of your dichotomy. Agape btw is Greek for “selfless love” as in ascended love,
it does not mean a-gape.

[Catsquotl]

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[Gracy]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Catsquotl (here)
Sounds like je hasn't been around activists very long then. I have many a fond memory of times spend with activists...

Does he realize most are just people?

With Love

That was mostly my observation.

Some activists appear happy and joyful, sure. Ever seen a gay pride parade? They seem downright euphoric! Lol

But what I'm talking about here are the more radical activists types, that loud but small minority attempting to pass their bitterness and insecurity and need for power and validation off as compassion and love

I'm glad you cleared that up Mike, as "activists" and "protesters" are kind of being turned into dirty words these days. Activists are being blurred with the ever ridiculous woke crowd and social justice warriors, while legitimate protesters are being blurred with looters and Antifa.

Whether on the streets or in Twitter world, the ones that seem to get the most attention truly are the small minority radicals. Just like those guys protesting the lockdowns while donning their rifles at the Wisconsin capitol building, wtf is that!!??

Don't let these boneheads looking to extend their manhood by donning a long gun and running around acting stupid, get confused with the average person who's just sick and tired of being ordered to stay in their homes.

I don't know about y'all, but I don't encounter "cancel culture" in my daily life, and I don't know anyone else who does either, it's mostly just a small, but extremely angry and vocal Twitter mob.

The average person going about their routine daily business, still thinks all the extremes are ridiculous. Until it gets politicized that is, and to me that's where the real trouble starts, because people here in the
states are really getting hyper partisan these days. I swear it's almost like a disease.

Each side minimizes and dismisses it's own radicals, while highlighting and vastly inflating the danger of the other side's radicals.

[Mike]

Posted by Gracy May (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Catsquotl (here)
Sounds like je hasn't been around activists very long then. I have many a fond memory of times spend with activists...

Does he realize most are just people?

With Love

That was mostly my observation.

Some activists appear happy and joyful, sure. Ever seen a gay pride parade? They seem downright euphoric! Lol

But what I'm talking about here are the more radical activists types, that loud but small minority attempting to pass their bitterness and insecurity and need for power and validation off as compassion and love

I'm glad you cleared that up Mike, as "activists" and "protesters" are kind of being turned into dirty words these days. Activists are being blurred with the ever ridiculous woke crowd and social justice warriors, while legitimate protesters are being blurred with looters and Antifa.

Whether on the streets or in Twitter world, the ones that seem to get the most attention truly are the small minority radicals. Just like those guys protesting the lockdowns while donning their rifles at the Wisconsin capitol building, wtf is that!!??

Don't let these boneheads looking to extend their manhood by donning a long gun and running around acting stupid, get confused with the average person who's just sick and tired of being ordered to stay in their homes.

I don't know about y'all, but I don't encounter "cancel culture" in my daily life, and I don't know anyone else who does either, it's mostly just a small, but extremely angry and vocal Twitter mob.

The average person going about their routine daily business, still thinks all the extremes are ridiculous. Until it gets politicized that is, and to me that's where the real trouble starts, because people here in the
states are really getting hyper partisan these days. I swear it's almost like a disease.

Each side minimizes and dismisses it's own radicals, while highlighting and vastly inflating the danger of the other side's radicals.

Hi Gracy, I'd say protesting is a form of activism. Ergo, protesters = activists.

There are some well-intentioned, sound, morally grounded protesters. But trying to parse them out from the rest of the crowd is becoming increasingly difficult. Defenders of BLM for example keep insisting the movement has been hijacked, but they never distinguish who the true protesters are and who the hijackers are. The people toppling statues, are they the hijackers? What about the ones banning movies and books? The ones blackmailing and extorting? Cancelling? Emotionally bullying? Are they BLM? Or is BLM just the first 5 original founders, the ones who genuinely wanted nothing more than some attention on what they felt was racial injustice?

Universities aren't creating professionals anymore - they're creating activists. It's due to all the wonky, postmodern deconstructionist crap being spoon fed the kids these days. Women's studies, Critical race theory, so forth. They are completely and utterly unscientific and baseless, and perpetuate the notion that the world is nothing but the oppressed and the oppressor, and that notions of hard work and competence are an illusion being put upon everyone by patriarchal, straight white men. Marxism. Focus has been on rights and privileges, not personal responsibility.

So we have entire generations of kids who are moored shallowly.. intellectually, morally, spiritually and emotionally.

Those kids, 18 and 19 and 20 years old, don't know anything yet. They're still in diapers practically. They have no idea what the real world is or how it operates. They have no experience. Most of them are hopelessly naive. I was at that age! People have been taking care of them their whole lives. How can they offer up solutions to highly complex social and economic issues when they've never had a job, when they can't even clean their room, or make a meal for themselves?

The problem as I see it, these days, is that those kids never evolve or grow up. The very idea of maturing and adopting personal responsibility is often ridiculed even(i.e. "adulting"). We have entire generations of Peter Pans who are now dogmatically telling us how we should live our lives, all based on their Marxist brainwashing. Many of them are 25, 27, even 30, and still don't have jobs. They're being supported by family, spouse or boy/girlfriend, or even the very state they claim to detest.

The most entitled are almost always the most pathological and narcissistic and dangerous.

Entitlement + Marxist education + refusal to grow up and take personal responsibility = activist.

Not all protesters are dedicated activists; not all are radical; not all are bitter and mean-spirited; not all are narcissistic; not all are entitled brats. But increasingly they are.

If you have the time and the inclination, please check out my thread on Evergreen University. There's a great 3 part documentary there which demonstrates everything I've written here much more clearly and devastatingly.https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ersity-Madness