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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

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    In the context of the entire conversation, however, (and we are still only hearing the abridged version that edits out the larger context) Trump clearly implies a way out for Raffensperger by pointing out there is only an 11,000 vote deficit (among the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent and illegal votes the Secretary illegally certified and subsequently proceeded to cover up the crime for)
    Thanks for showing the way over here for this explanation, I had missed it. I listened to the full, unabridged version last night, and the full context did not change anything. Trump is threatening him the whole way through, while promising him high praise and respect, were he to simply "do the right thing" and find the votes needed (+1) to put Trump over the top in Georgia.

    I don't know how to hear his words any other way. Raffensperger in no legal jeopardy that I can see, or apparently that he can see.
    Yes, but in any legal settlement negotiation (with lawyers present) there is always give and take and compromise. That's what's going on here. Also, the phone call was an hour conversation. We still don't hear the entire call which would better put these facts in context.

    Here is my translation of the call, rendered down:

    Sos: We already certified the election Mr. President, I can't change it now. If I decertify my lawyer advises me I would be admitting to wrongdoing
    Trump: Yes, but you have certified over 400,000 illegal votes, which we have direct evidence of
    Sos: Under advise of counsel, Mr. President, I have to insist those aren't the numbers the State of Georgia has, I don't know about any of the fraud you're talking about
    Trump: That's good, because if you did know, and certified, it would be crime. You could be in big trouble. However, I'm putting you on notice NOW that there over 400,000 fraudulent votes that we can prove, and we WILL prove beyond a reasonable doubt. If that investigation uncovers any involvement or knowledge of the facts on your part you could be in big trouble.
    Sos: I don't know about any of that
    Trump: Look Brad, just find me 12k fraudulent votes--we win the election, you stay out of jail. Win/win. I'm not asking you to stick your neck out and decertify all 400k if you feel that would implicate you in a crime or make you look incompetent
    Sos: No, Mr. President. On advise from counsel, I'm doubling down, f*$k you.

    It seems pretty clear to me, but that's just my perspective.

    Here's my question to you:

    Do you honestly think President Trump would pressure Raffensperger to do something illegal or shady with the attorneys present? What the media is accusing Trump of is something one would propose in a back alley in the middle of the night. Or through a thug proxy. Honestly??

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    In the context of the entire conversation, however, (and we are still only hearing the abridged version that edits out the larger context) Trump clearly implies a way out for Raffensperger by pointing out there is only an 11,000 vote deficit (among the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent and illegal votes the Secretary illegally certified and subsequently proceeded to cover up the crime for)
    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Thanks for showing the way over here for this explanation, I had missed it. I listened to the full, unabridged version last night, and the full context did not change anything. Trump is threatening him the whole way through, while promising him high praise and respect, were he to simply "do the right thing" and find the votes needed (+1) to put Trump over the top in Georgia.

    I don't know how to hear his words any other way. Raffensperger in no legal jeopardy that I can see, or apparently that he can see.

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    Yes, but in any legal settlement negotiation (with lawyers present) there is always give and take and compromise. That's what's going on here. Also, the phone call was an hour conversation. We still don't hear the entire call which would better put these facts in context.
    Well first off, here's the full phone call, I listened to most of it the other evening:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...555_story.html

    The whole conversation kind of went round and round IMO, and I think the stand alone clip is unaffected by any other further context. Of course mileage may vary.

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    Here's my question to you:

    Do you honestly think President Trump would pressure Raffensperger to do something illegal or shady with the attorneys present? What the media is accusing Trump of is something one would propose in a back alley in the middle of the night. Or through a thug proxy. Honestly??
    I don't really care all that much about this, but it did raise an eyebrow unlike the Ukraine phone call. I didn't see any of it as Trump thinking he had any kind of legal leverage over Raffensperger, he came off to me as sounding desperate, flipping rapidly back and forth between being good cop/bad cop, and shooting wildly from the hip trying to find an opening.

    The comment of concern? I think he was a little bit too loose with the rapid fire, and got sloppy. I also don't think he really cares, he's Teflon Don after all.

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    In the context of the entire conversation, however, (and we are still only hearing the abridged version that edits out the larger context) Trump clearly implies a way out for Raffensperger by pointing out there is only an 11,000 vote deficit (among the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent and illegal votes the Secretary illegally certified and subsequently proceeded to cover up the crime for)
    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Thanks for showing the way over here for this explanation, I had missed it. I listened to the full, unabridged version last night, and the full context did not change anything. Trump is threatening him the whole way through, while promising him high praise and respect, were he to simply "do the right thing" and find the votes needed (+1) to put Trump over the top in Georgia.

    I don't know how to hear his words any other way. Raffensperger in no legal jeopardy that I can see, or apparently that he can see.

    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    Yes, but in any legal settlement negotiation (with lawyers present) there is always give and take and compromise. That's what's going on here. Also, the phone call was an hour conversation. We still don't hear the entire call which would better put these facts in context.
    Well first off, here's the full phone call, I listened to most of it the other evening:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...555_story.html

    The whole conversation kind of went round and round IMO, and I think the stand alone clip is unaffected by any other further context. Of course mileage may vary.

    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    Here's my question to you:

    Do you honestly think President Trump would pressure Raffensperger to do something illegal or shady with the attorneys present? What the media is accusing Trump of is something one would propose in a back alley in the middle of the night. Or through a thug proxy. Honestly??
    I don't really care all that much about this, but it did raise an eyebrow unlike the Ukraine phone call. I didn't see any of it as Trump thinking he had any kind of legal leverage over Raffensperger, he came off to me as sounding desperate, flipping rapidly back and forth between being good cop/bad cop, and shooting wildly from the hip trying to find an opening.

    The comment of concern? I think he was a little bit too loose with the rapid fire, and got sloppy. I also don't think he really cares, he's Teflon Don after all.
    Perhaps a little loose. It was a private and confidential conversation, after all. Or was supposed to be.

    And yes, that's only 4 minutes of a 60 minute settlment negotiation. I'm sure if any part of the remaining 56 minutes were incriminating to Trump in a "stand-alone" context or otherwise, or supported the implication of the spin, the WaPo would have published it.

    The bottom line is the paradigm from which one understands the conversation taking place, in my view. If one doesn't believe there was any fraud, or if the Trump team is just blowing smoke and making wild accusations without substance (which is the MSM position), the call doesn't look good. If one believes there are 400,000 or more illegal votes--and there are, I would bet the farm on it--this is just another nothing burger.
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    (Natural News) Attorney Lin Wood has been peeling away the layers of evil, revealing the truth about how the entire world is controlled by a global cabal of extortionists who blackmail top leaders with video tapes that capture their acts of pedophilia and child murder.

    This has been covered by the independent media for years, but the corporate media, Big Tech and courts have covered it up (because they are all complicit).

    According to early morning tweets from Lin Wood (see below), “Chief Justice John Roberts & a multitude of powerful individuals worldwide are being blackmailed in a horrendous scheme involving rape & murder of children captured on videotape.”

    Lin Wood says he has a decryption key to the video files, and he explains that others do, too.

    He implies that this is why Chief Justice Roberts has consistently rendered SCOTUS decisions that appear to be traitorous to the United States of America. He is being controlled and blackmailed, it is alleged.

    But it isn’t just Roberts who has been caught up in this, explains Wood. There is a global cabal of enforcers who entrap leaders into these child rape, pedophilia and murder schemes, then use the video blackmail to control them throughout their entire political careers.

    Lin Wood is blowing the lid wide open on a persistent, global pedophilia crime syndicate that’s run by high-level globalists, Democrats and malicious actors in order to control the world. This is what Jeffrey Epstein was all about, of course, but it involves 10 intelligence agencies, according to Lin Wood’s tweets (below).

    Lin Wood also says Jeffrey Epstein is alive and has likely turned over everything he knows to Trump’s attorneys.

    Here’s the full text from a series of Lin Wood tweets about all this:

    Texts from Lin Woo on January 4th, 2021:

    The price for speaking TRUTH can be high. Ultimately, one’s life & the lives of his or her family members & friends can be at risk or lost.
    I ask for your prayers that Almighty God cover me, my family members & close friends with Psalms 91 protection.
    @realDonaldTrump

    I have shared with several individuals the TRUTH I will be speaking to you. Killing me will NOT prevent the TRUTH from being revealed – it will only trigger its release by many others. I ask @realDonaldTrump to immediately appoint an honest special prosecutor to pursue justice.

    I believe Chief Justice John Roberts & a multitude of powerful individuals worldwide are being blackmailed in a horrendous scheme involving rape & murder of children captured on videotape. I have the key to the files containing the videos. I have also shared this information.

    This blackmail scheme is conducted by members of 10 of world’s most well-known & “elite” intelligence agencies.
    One of those groups was hacked by a group known as Lizard Squad. The blackmail files of rape & murder were obtained by this group & copy was provided to Isaac Kappy.

    The blackmail targets are approached with a gun, a child, & a camera. The target is ordered to rape the child on video. The target is then ordered to shoot the child on video. The target is then owned & controlled by the blackmailers until blackmail evidence loses its value.

    After Kappy received the hacked files from member of Lizard Squad, he gave files to one friend and the encryption key to another friend. He provided this information to his friends shortly before he was murdered in May 13, 2019. Members of Lizard Squad were jailed for hacking.

    Jeffrey Epstein used this same blackmail scheme of child rape & child murder to either further his own interests or those of any intelligence agency with whom he worked. ALL who flew on his private jet or visited his island must be IMMEDIATELY interrogated & brought to justice.

    I have concerns that information from Kappy was not delivered to @realDonaldTrump & his effort to get it to President may have caused his death. I am aware that my life is now at great risk. But I put my faith in God. I prayed before I made the decision. I had to reveal TRUTH.

    Now you have greater context for the message I tweeted below on January 1. I had hoped that this revelation would trigger resignations & confessions. Unsure of that result, I had to reveal full extent of my knowledge. I am doing so now.

    This tweet was an insurance policy. The evil forces behind this blackmail scheme of child rape & murder need to know that others have encryption key. I have procedure in place if I die in near term or any member of my family is harmed or threatened, key will be released by many.

    I would never make an accusation without having reliable source for it. Stakes are too high. So I did due diligence to validate the accuracy of the shocking information I am revealing tonight. I am entirely comfortable that you are learning the truth. A truth that explains much.

    The 10 intelligence agencies who have members employing this blackmail scheme include CCP, CIA, Mossad, FBI, MI6. The others are easily identifiable. The agencies do not which of them was hacked by Lizard Squad.

    I have no idea extent of blackmail scheme of raping & killing children but given the number of agencies involved, the hundreds of thousands of missing children, & the otherwise inexplicable actions of many powerful officials, celebrities, & business leaders, I fear the worst.

    The number of missing children worldwide & in United States is staggering.

    So I have now conveyed the truth as I know it. There has been a rising chorus of people questioning my sanity in recent days. Now you can understand why. I have no idea what will be done to me or said about me in coming days, but I will rest well tonight for having spoken truth.

    Many issues in our world may be tied to blackmail scheme I described tonight, including bizarre behavior of officials & judges in recent election. @realDonaldTrump must appoint special prosecutor to thoroughly investigate. We need answers. We must investigate. For the children.

    If asked to turn over the encryption key & other information I have to law enforcement, I will only agree to provide it directly to @realDonaldTrump @GenFlynn or @SidneyPowell1 I trust them. Again, please pray for my family. Thank you. – Lin

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    In the following video from Isaac Kappy, who is specifically named in the Lin Wood tweets, he claims that many high-level Hollywood actors and directors are pedophiles:

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-...blackmail.html

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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

    Context is everything.
    Without the understanding of and belief in massive voter fraud the phone call makes no sense.
    Why bother?
    I believe Trump does actually care about the constitution.
    His life is threatened Presidents do get assassinated.
    He could have said "Stuff this for a lark" and retired to play golf

    I respect others opinions based on logic, fact preferred though.
    We may see that presented tomorrow.
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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Well first off, here's the full phone call, I listened to most of it the other evening:
    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    And yes, that's only 4 minutes of a 60 minute settlment negotiation. I'm sure if any part of the remaining 56 minutes were incriminating to Trump in a "stand-alone" context or otherwise, or supported the implication of the spin, the WaPo would have published it.
    I probably should have added, the full version is the second audio scrolling down.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...555_story.html

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    "The moment you take up a position, know that you are identifying with an illusion" ACIM (A course in miracles)
    A belief is fine as long as no set in concrete.
    The problem is where a position is taken up before investigating.
    Then the ego filters according to mind set -- contrary opinions have no weight, no validity.
    I dont mind being wrong -- my greatest learning is through the mistakes.
    Humility is where you can accept a mistake has been made and apologise if thats appropriate.

    If evidence shows that there is no voter fraud then I will accept that.
    Currently the weight of evidence supports the belief that there has been voter fraud.
    I have not seen evidence that the votes were conducted according to correct protocol.
    Perhaps someone can show me that I am in error.
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    • Live Coverage: Alex Jones and Owen Shroyer Speak at Rally to Save America
    Rep. Hice: No Question on Election Fraud, Including in Georgia

    There is "no question" there was widespread fraud involved in the November election, Rep. Jody Hice said Tuesday, pointing a finger at his own home state of Georgia.
    "I can speak specifically for the state of Georgia," the Republican lawmaker told Fox News' "America's Newsroom." "I joined many state senators who have reached out to us and to the administration in a letter urging them not to certify the electoral votes from Georgia. We have to get to the bottom of this. This is the sacred trust of the American people and it must be defended at all costs."

    It is up to elected officials, he added, to do all within their power to ensure that elections are fair and protected, and if they don't do that, it's "un-American."
    "It's our duty to protect the voice of the people," Hice said. "The allegations in this past election are enormous."

    Georgia's Senate runoff race, which is underway, is huge, said Hice, but he thinks that many people are staying away from voting because their elected officials aren't standing up for their rights to cast a ballot fairly.

    The applause at Monday night's rally with President Donald Trump was "enormous" when Sen. Kelly Loeffler came out and said she'd back the push against the Electoral College votes for Joe Biden.

    "It is that type of thing that energizes people and gives trust back to the people to get out and vote because they know that they have representatives who will defend that right at all costs," said Hice. "I think the lack of willingness from individuals both within our state and otherwise to take a stand for free and fair elections, that has been the cause that has caused many people to say I'll stay home."

    However, Hice said he thinks Georgians won't be discouraged from voting for Loeffler or Sen. David Perdue because they want candidates who stand for their votes to count.

    "A lot of people have opinions one way or the other, but we have a constitutional duty to defend the right of the people to express their opinions at the voting booth," he said. "That is a sacred trust and it must be defended at all costs and everyone who has stood for that principle has been enormously received."



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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

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    I haven't vetted this so I can't vouch for it, but if true, this is case-closed smoking gun stuff that's going to change the entire game:
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    BREAKING! Pennsylvania Senate DEMANDS DELAY of Electoral College CERTIFICATION!:

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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

    TSMITH, Thanks. hope this is examined and vetted. as for Pence, an awful lot of responsibility on this man. No win for him either way . wow historic days we are living

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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    I haven't vetted this so I can't vouch for it, but if true, this is case-closed smoking gun stuff that's going to change the entire game:
    Wow. Still listening. Praying this comes off. Perhaps this 2019 article provides a clue to this being real.

    Quote https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/w...ump-obama.html

    EXCERPT: Renzi was taking orders from someone and he was very happy to obey,” Mr. Papadopoulos told La Verita, adding, “I think Matteo Renzi was used by Barack Obama to make this low blow against Trump.”
    Will have to listen to Rudy's latest podcast for clues also - he has apparently been informed and is working with the "team" working on bringing out the Italian whistleblower who can apparently prove Renzi was working with Obama to steal the election from Trump.

    Sidney Powell and Flynn (and Trump of course) are all briefed. This will rock the world if true and executed successfully without too much counter interference. Obama should hopefully go down for treason.

    UPDATE: No mention from Rudy that I picked up. Talks mostly about 6 Jan.
    Last edited by Gemma13; 6th January 2021 at 04:41.

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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

    Update from election wizard... honestly cannot call this...


    The Election Wizard
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    Warnock (D) will win Georgia Special Senate Runoff Election against Loeffler (R).

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    The polls are now closed. Stay with the Wiz for the latest. https://electionwiz.com/2021/01/05/s...senate-races/…
    4:19 AM · Jan 6, 2021

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    Default Re: MASSIVE FRAUD: Major Lawsuits (update: all foiled so far)

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    "The moment you take up a position, know that you are identifying with an illusion" ACIM (A course in miracles)
    A belief is fine as long as no set in concrete.
    The problem is where a position is taken up before investigating.
    Then the ego filters according to mind set -- contrary opinions have no weight, no validity.
    I dont mind being wrong -- my greatest learning is through the mistakes.
    Humility is where you can accept a mistake has been made and apologise if thats appropriate.

    If evidence shows that there is no voter fraud then I will accept that.
    Currently the weight of evidence supports the belief that there has been voter fraud.
    I have not seen evidence that the votes were conducted according to correct protocol.
    Perhaps someone can show me that I am in error.
    Chris
    me too Chris ...

    and since i've given away every copy of ACIM i've ever bought through the years? went out last week and bought a new one ...

    lesson 5 today

    "i am never upset for the reason i think"

    that brought everything back to perspective today ... sigh ...



    ps a link for online version here
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    "The moment you take up a position, know that you are identifying with an illusion" ACIM (A course in miracles)
    A belief is fine as long as no set in concrete.
    The problem is where a position is taken up before investigating.
    Then the ego filters according to mind set -- contrary opinions have no weight, no validity.
    I dont mind being wrong -- my greatest learning is through the mistakes.
    Humility is where you can accept a mistake has been made and apologise if thats appropriate.

    If evidence shows that there is no voter fraud then I will accept that.
    Currently the weight of evidence supports the belief that there has been voter fraud.
    I have not seen evidence that the votes were conducted according to correct protocol.
    Perhaps someone can show me that I am in error.
    Chris
    Well said. I fully agree.

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