WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Mashika]

Yes, and it yes, it's over, lay down and go to sleep, it's over for your time of fakery, we are done with it. Sleep tight

[Mashika]

I could show you things you don't want to see, and neither i want to show you, speculation when the entire thing has been around for the most part of 8 years is not suitable to our current time understanding of reality.

Please look into it. And i you want, i will share the information the UN had since 2015 and that they chose to ignore. It's very graphic so i be aware of that, there's images of kids blown up and people burned and such and such. So i would suggest to not look at it at all.

But it did happen, it's not like you can kill 13,000+ thousand people without leaving any evidence. It's more like the UN decided to no look into the evidence because they are unable to be "independent" anymore

So if the conflict expands it could turn Ukraine to battlefield

I'm very sorry but this is a thing that has already happened, years ago. You just did not knew about it at the time

This is how it feels

One day, you get dinner with your friends all sitting there in the floor and joking about dumb things, bullying each other and stuff

The next day in the morning, some of them are not back. We all know what happened to them. They're gone

But we pretend to still hope they will be back, and some of the younger kids do cry but also have to make themselves strong because they have to

We all feel like stupid idiots sitting there pretending the persons missing did not exist because we know they died through the night and we have to enforce our will and not let this take us down so we can fight tomorrow

That's how war is

So excuse me when i say that i know better than most people, but i do know better.

I'm sorry our life experiences are so different, i also wanted a nice life but i did not had it. Right now i know what the people there are going through because i went through the same already, as a kid. So yeah, i don't have much more to say. very sorry about this

Though I sincerely hope that it can be stopped from expanding and solved immediately by peaceful negotiations and insistence to withdraw Russian troops from the territory immediately.

There were way too many years that this was asked from the Donbass region, it went unheard. So unheard that the "president of Ukraine" said they would take it back by force.

It doesn't matter for them what the people of Donbass wants, there is no humanity at all in their treatment.

Please look more into this, it's just a crime against humanity, and a war crime as well. You are just not been told the facts

Posted by Agape (here)
Hi guys , just seeing so many people onboard this topic , saw the news on big screen, it’s making big news here in India, I just walked to pharmacy to have been told that Russia has declared war. So difficult to comment but poor Ukraine is in miserable state since the fall of Soviet Union is not all their fault,
they were vassal state of Russia for number of centuries , since the formation of Soviet Union they were used not only as largest wheat bank but also largest weaponry and missile silo of Russia, then SU, Donbas and Crimea hosting some of the most important naval and air bases and military western command was also situated in Ukraine,
their weapons and now even troops are hidden all over the place since WWII.

So if the conflict expands it could turn Ukraine to battlefield

Though I sincerely hope that it can be stopped from expanding and solved immediately by peaceful negotiations and insistence to withdraw Russian troops from the territory immediately.

It seems to me also that many blinkers will now fall from the eyes of my friends all over the world who claimed to be discrete russofiles and admirer of President Putin,
claiming him to be spiritual entity and peacemaker.
Russia has never acted differently from other power mongering nations on this planet, claiming peace it still acted territorially and invasively towards ethnic groups, religious groups differing from the state supported Orthodox Church of Russia - which is unsurprisingly split from all other Orthodox Churches on the globe ,
in short, Russians and their ruling class are big people with big hearts but no dove tails.

This “war” looks very big on TV now but they are sorting centuries old conflict, injustice and case of human exploitation of Ukrainian people.

I’ve met many Ukrainian people when still in Prague and they end up working in supermarkets and service jobs all over Europe as refugees despite holding diplomas in various subjects or regardless, they come to western parts of Europe in really poor state running away from what they’ve described as devastating and critical social and economical situation in Ukraine,
with wages not been payed to them for years , and everything , every little bit of politics in their country is run in respect to Russia and their decisions.
They are constantly on target from Russia for reasons not so obvious that is military bases , missile silos and advanced weaponry systems situated in their territory.

It’s not my place to say a word because I feel it’s too late and we all have failed to acknowledge the gravity of the situation.

Peace to All


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[Vangelo]

Here are the facts as I understand them.

Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

The build-up along the border was obviously very real and not fake as some have previously suggested.

Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

The Minsk accord was not agreed to by Ukraine.

The Donbass region (which is Ukraine territory) has been in civil war for 14 years or so. This appears to be one of the reasons Putin used to justify the invasion.

The photos, videos and news reports are unreliable because they can be faked and in some cases have proven to be sourced from past conflicts.

Commentary and questions:
I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.

What is Putin's larger objective? Here are a few possibilities..

• Demonstrate NATO & US impotence
• Frighten former USSR states to make it easier to bring them back under Russian control
• Take all of Ukraine
• Return everything back to Ukraine except for the land mass that includes Donbass and south to connect Crimea

I also wonder what China will do. This is exactly the time for them to make a move.

Finally, without a trustworthy press/news media, we wont know anything other than propaganda. This will wake up more people to the fact that much of what is reported in the MSM is fake and that will lead people to ask the question why.

Discussions about what US or NATO did or did not do are red herrings (irrelevant) and are designed to deflect the argument away from the fact that Putin invaded a sovereign country.

[muxfolder]

No wonder the plandemic is suddenly over. Throw your masks away, it's time for war now. And frankly I'm a bit worried how this is going to turn out. Both sides seem to be pushing this forward for whatever reasons (great reset maybe?) and all the fake news and old footage is too confusing.

[Mashika]

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Posted by Vangelo (here)
I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.

Even then you failed to say "why"

Do you know the "Why" game? want to play it?

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Posted by muxfolder (here)
No wonder the plandemic is suddenly over. Throw your masks away, it's time for war now. And frankly I'm a bit worried how this is going to turn out. Both sides seem to be pushing this forward for whatever reasons (great reset maybe?) and all the fake news and old footage is too confusing.

Thought the same, how odd they all kind of "agree" while disagreeing? It's like they knew beforehand, how 'odd' isn't it?

Perhaps this is the actual trigger for the big reset after all

[9ideon]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ew5_0zJYC3w

[Vangelo]

Posted by Malisa (here)
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Any good news we don't already knew?

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Posted by Vangelo (here)
I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.

Malisa, that was dismissive and offensive, you are better than that.

It seems you don't agree with any of these facts:

Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

The build-up along the border was obviously very real and not fake as some have previously suggested.

Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

The Minsk accord was not agreed to by Ukraine.

The Donbass region (which is Ukraine territory) has been in civil war for 14 years or so. This appears to be one of the reasons Putin used to justify the invasion.

The photos, videos and news reports are unreliable because they can be faked and in some cases have proven to be sourced from past conflicts.

What is your agenda?

Posted by Malisa (here)

Even then you failed to say "why"

Do you know the "Why" game? want to play it?[COLOR="red"]

This is a game for you, isn't it?

Posted by Malisa (here)
Perhaps this is the actual trigger for the big reset after all

I agree, this is a very real possibility...

[Mashika]

Posted by Vangelo (here)

Posted by Malisa (here)
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Posted by Vangelo (here)
I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.

Malisa, that was dismissive and offensive, you are better than that.

It seems you don't agree with any of these facts:

Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

The build-up along the border was obviously very real and not fake as some have previously suggested.

Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

The Minsk accord was not agreed to by Ukraine.

The Donbass region (which is Ukraine territory) has been in civil war for 14 years or so. This appears to be one of the reasons Putin used to justify the invasion.

The photos, videos and news reports are unreliable because they can be faked and in some cases have proven to be sourced from past conflicts.

What is your agenda?

Posted by Malisa (here)

Even then you failed to say "why"

Do you know the "Why" game? want to play it?[COLOR="red"]

This is a game for you, isn't it?

Posted by Malisa (here)
Perhaps this is the actual trigger for the big reset after all

I agree, this is a very real possibility...

I don't have a game, but at this time, seeing as you had plenty of years to figure out the real purpose of what is happening in Ukraine and you come post this as if it was something that "just happened yesterday" i have to truly wonder. Please don't turn things around this way

I have been very clear and transparent about myself, yet you skip about all of it?

It's actually a game for you, pretending you don't know the actual game the US is playing, and has been playing all along for decades now

That's why i asked that, to bring you up to the front. So do you know the "why game"? Because if you don't then you are being played, but if you do, then you are a player on it, see?

I don't ask stupid questions

[gord]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VBtxiBehhgc

[I am B]

You guys are really annoying with the personal attacks and the sassy rethoric.

Anyways.

I've been watching the msm since 4am when I somehow woke up middle of the night for the news.

I heard Putin, Borrell, Macron, Johnson, the german leader, Von der Leyen (or however is written) and the NATO spokesperson talk. And taking their words, and the general talk on MSM.... Europe is going to war at some point. Either Putin will go over Ukraine (because of sanctions or whatever) or Europe will go to Ukraine.

Remind that France pulled out of Mali.

None seem to have a limit on their actions, and the talk is about military Capabilities and, literally, an attack on "European soil". They are already marketing the great Spanish Leopard tanks and glorious army helping NATO.

The talk of everyone is on leaders asuming responsibility themselves (about going to/causing war?) and how Putin will be "held accountable". They are building this Hitler image around Putin.

This evening/tomorrow morning there will be the official assessments on the matters. I'll go to the supermarket before that

[Mashika]

Posted by I am B (here)
You guys are really annoying with the personal attacks and the sassy rethoric.

Anyways.

Rotten hell with you lol

I've been watching the msm since 4am when I somehow woke up middle of the night for the news.

That's why you get from watching that garbage

I heard Putin, Borrell, Macron, Johnson, the german leader, Von der Leyen (or however is written) and the NATO spokesperson talk. And taking their words, and the general talk on MSM.... Europe is going to war at some point. Either Putin will go over Ukraine (because of sanctions or whatever) or Europe will go to Ukraine.

Remind that France pulled out of Mali.

None seem to have a limit on their actions, and the talk is about military Capabilities and, literally, an attack on "European soil". They are already marketing the great Spanish Leopard tanks and glorious army helping NATO.

The talk of everyone is on leaders asuming responsibility themselves (about going to/causing war?) and how Putin will be "held accountable". They are building this Hitler image around Putin.

Let's go sleep now, we should not be affected by those idiots in general, so let's go sleep for a bit, it will be over soon

[I am B]

Don't get me wrong, I don't watch msm, EVER. And as I said posts before I took this whole matter rather lightly.

My claims are made after watching msm with deconstructing purposes, and try to read on what they want the people to believe. If you think I buy on any of either's side narrative, youre wrong.

[Mashika]

Posted by I am B (here)
Don't get me wrong, I don't watch msm, EVER. And as I said posts before I took this whole matter rather lightly.

My claims are made after watching msm with deconstructing purposes, and try to read on what they want the people to believe. If you think I buy on any of either's side narrative, youre wrong.

I don't think anything about anything, i know the realitity of what's going on there. Why would i care about media stupidity? When i have been there?
Think about that, you are looking at this the wrong way

I.Don't.Care.About.Media.In.Any.Possible.Way

I know better, i did not look at it from far away or was paid to lie

[Mashika]

It does look like people are unable to realise that i was there, and plenty other kids were, no matter what. You fail to understand that what is happening right now was already a reality back in 2013 and until 2015 or so, but it's reality

You have not seen the things i've seen, or what we saw in general, it's just like a "far away thing" for you guys. You just don't get it

I'm so frustrated by this lack of understanding of reality

Jesus F. It does seem that no one around is able to truly grasp this. Hope it never reaches your country or city, but if it does, hope also you won't be crying about it. FFS

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Malisa (here)

I.Don't.Care.About.Media.In.Any.Possible.Way

I know better, i did not look at it from far away or was paid to lie

Hey, thanks for all your posts on this.

I asked you this a few days ago, but things seems to be changing pretty fast — in many ways. What's your best guess right now about what may happen during the next few days, or the next week?

[I am B]

I don't think anything about anything. I know the reality of whats going on here, in my house. And that reality is TV halfway promoting war, so that I'm sharing. You can believe it as part of your genuine reality, take it into account, or completely dump it.

For all I know, or care, you could be a virgin 40 year old man with adventurous issues from North Grafton Massachussets. And Ukraine couldn't even exist as a country, nor Its people, nor Putin, nor the whole entire Avalon comunity.

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Malisa (here)

I.Don't.Care.About.Media.In.Any.Possible.Way

I know better, i did not look at it from far away or was paid to lie

Hey, thanks for all your posts on this.

I asked you this a few days ago, but things seems to be changing pretty fast — in many ways. What's your best guess right now about what may happen during the next few days, or the next week?

Hi Sr,

I supposed i can say now, that all assumptions are off

Ukraine is done for

As of right now:

- Air force has deflected or given up
- The army is resigning their positions and surrendering to Russian army
- The navy has been "terminated"
- The radar systems are destroyed entirely
- All the drones are grounded, there is no personal able to drive them anymore

This took around 2 hours tops across the entire country

I supposed this says all about the current status of Ukraine

Later today we will see another page, or step, or side of the war, but it won't be what most people expect. Let's wait and see

There is such thing as bluffing in the great scope of international matters. The US gave to the Ukraine government the wrong assumption that they would be protected and the false promise they would be part of NATO. Things developed very quickly and now all those promises are just air. It already happened, so now NATO will have to figure out how to proceed from here, while trying to not look bad in the eyes of the entire planet, because of those false promises they have been exposed around

It's the usual problem "the boy that cried wolf too many times"

[Mashika]

I bet realising Ukraine fell without any effort in less than 2 hours is now making all the countries around Europe double check their posibilities if they keep lying and supporting the US on this false "freedom" crusade

Let's see how fast they act, today and tomorrow. And if they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the US. This is the real thing, not like the game the US thought they were playing, where everything ends in a game of diplomacy words.

[Agape]

Even if all the above is practically true, kindly realise that Ukraine is sovereign nation who won’t submit their legacy and government overnight and under threat of power.
I don’t see this would happen any soon and this being subversive and technological war of 21st century , they will fight back by all and any means.

They’re on their last leg , for sure. Now that they’ve been shot to it, they will fight to the last man.


Pray everyone stopped fighting right now or we all may also end up in another staged nuclear disaster.

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YuRp2zoKd2s

Peace Bells on 🙏🛎🙏

[muxfolder]

Posted by Malisa (here)
I bet realising Ukraine fell without any effort in less than 2 hours is now making all the countries around Europe double check their posibilities if they keep lying and supporting the US on this false "freedom" crusade

Let's see how fast they act, today and tomorrow. And if they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the US. This is the real thing, not like the game the US thought they were playing, where everything ends in a game of diplomacy words.

Here our prime minister and president have already sided with US. Didn't take long so that's why I'm worried this will escalate very very quickly. It really is strange they didn't fight back so does this mean that the NATO-countries are already planning something with Ukraine?