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    What we're seeing, I think, right before our eyes in almost real time — and the conflict in Ukraine must be part of this, as one of the dominoes falling — is the radical reorganization of the power blocs in our world. I don't want to see this, and things can always change in unpredictable ways, but it's sure starting to look like by the end of the decade a Chinese-Russian alliance will be ruling the planet, and the 'west' will be obliged to follow their societal model.
    Does your prognosis imply that whoever were the puppet masters of all the shenanigans of Ukraine were "The West"s last hope ?
    No... if I understand your question! I'd more suspect that most of what's happening in the world right now is orchestrated by China (using a huge number of embedded or captured assets in the US), and that Russia, looking ahead strategically, is allying itself with China. (J.R. Nyquist would argue that Russia and China have actually been strong closet allies for the last several decades.)

    The Ukraine conflict is Russia's initiative (though they were goaded for years, and what's happening now was widely predicted by expert analysts). I think it's arguable that the US deliberately provoked the conflict, though Russia initiated the invasion themselves.

    But it has to be possible that what that really means is that China provoked the conflict (if China really controls US foreign policy) — itself strategically knowing that Russia will come out strongest (which I think it will) and that the entire western economic house of cards will fall, as will their food supply.

    If all that goes down (the collapse of the dollar, the collapse of western supply chains and food production, and the collapse of society in the US) — then that leaves Russia and China to pick up all the pieces when the dust has settled.

    From an even higher level, all that might be orchestrated by the globalists/WEF, if they favor a Chinese model for the NWO... as seems to be indicated in remarks from (e.g.) Justin Trudeau. China might well be happily planning all this on their own bat, but they might have been quietly encouraged and supported by the globalists/WEF all this time.

    All that is pretty complicated. (And I may be 100% wrong. ) But to summarize, the situation might be this:
    • The globalists/WEF have been running the world quietly for the last several decades.
    • They're using China to achieve their goals, which is a Chinese technocratic model of society to control all of humanity.
    • To make that easier, the global population would need to be significantly reduced. (And that may already have been set in motion.)
    • China has pretty much already taken over the US by stealth (and therefore much of the global media).
    • Russia probably knows all this fully, but is also doing its own thing and allying itself accordingly. My guess is that Xi has signaled to Putin that China will quietly support the reestablishment of something like the old Soviet Union, or an association of Eurasian countries in lockstep with Russia and politically and economically functioning that way.
    • Re the Ukraine situation, the US (steered by Chinese assets) has purposefully provoked Russia into the conflict, but that conflict has already been wargamed to result in the economic collapse of the west, combined with serious food supply issues that in turn will make everyone, everywhere, much easier to control.
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    Not sure if this has been posted here... here's a guy who 'died' last year in Afghanistan and then died again this year in Ukraine. There's a comment that 'Some say this is actually Jordie Jordan, a game streamer'.

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    Update - looking into this further, there are claims that it's fake from 'fact checkers'; nearly bedtime here so it's too late for me to do any detailed research!
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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    posted yet?

    Don't know how old this is, but this link was from yesterday. (21 minutes)

    as I watch, the narrator said Russia was mounting on the Ukraine border but had not gone in yet

    Quote VLADIMIR PUTIN TRAITOR TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER SAYS JACOB ROTHSCHILD

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    You're okay, definitely not posted Until now of course [COLOR="red"]
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    But here's something I was unaware of, that Lee states at 34:35. While something between 70%-90% of the US military have all been 'vaccinated', the Chinese and Russian militaries have not been.

    That's a data point of enormous magnitude and significance. And even more significant (it appears to me), US military intelligence, and hence the Biden administration, certainly must know this.

    Just something to think about here. If soccer players are dropping with heart attacks from exertion on the field, what's going to happen to equally fit, strong young men, all equally as vaxxed as the soccer teams, when they're in high-stress, high-stakes, high-exertion active conflict, maybe operating many millions of dollars of advanced weaponry at the time? ...
    re: the Chinese and Russian militaries have not been vaccinated...

    It's important to recognize that China and Russia are using TOTALLY different 'vaccines' than the west.
    So even if the military were to be/get vaccinated, it would be with non-mRNA jabs.

    That's hugely significant.

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    Can anyone lend explination to this? I've used this antivirus for 11 years, so the following photogragh is what comes up on my phone everytime while thumbing through this thread. This has never happened before and especially on P/A. I've tried about a dozen times thumbing through page 48 around post #952 only to get the same message. I havn't clicked on any posts or links.

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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Can anyone lend explination to this? I've used this antivirus for 11 years, so the following photogragh is what comes up on my phone everytime while thumbing through this thread. This has never happened before and especially on P/A. I've tried about a dozen times thumbing through page 48 around post #952 only to get the same message. I havn't clicked on any posts or links.

    I rarely use the desktop with the same antivirus installed and everything works fine.

    Thanks in advance for any help given.

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    I can't help you with what caused the problem. I just visited the link you gave and it worked for me.
    Here is the page:

    A Week Of War In Ukraine - Russell Bentley
    Update From Russian Operation Z Front Lines


    By Russell Bentley
    3-4-22

    The liberation and de-nazification of Ukraine continues apace. The resistance is strong, and the Russian and Republican Liberators face a desperate and ruthless enemy. The ukrop nazis' most effective tactic is the use of civilians as human shields in built up urban areas. Russia's extreme precautions and deliberate pace to avoid the kind of bloody "collateral damage" that is the trademark of every US and NATO invasion, has cost the Russians quite a lot in time, treasure and blood. But the advance continues, and will continue until all Russian strategic objectives are achieved.
    As of 3 March official military reports for the entire Russia/Ukraine operation are as follows -
    Ukrainian soldiers killed and missing - 8395 Russian & Republican soldiers - 498 dead, 1,600 wounded Civilian casualties throughout the area of military operations exceed 300

    1,612 targets were hit by Russian artillery and precision missiles including 62 command and control centers and communication centers,
    39 S-300, Buk M-1 and Osa anti-aircraft missile systems as well as 52 radar stations.
    49 military aircraft were destroyed on the ground and 13 in flight,
    606 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles were destroyed,
    67 Multiple Rocket Launchers destroyed,
    227 howitzers and mortars,
    53 drones.

    The fake news report about Russians shelling a Ukrainian nuclear site is completely false. On Thursday night, a fire broke out at a building near the six-reactor Zaporozhskaya nuclear power plant, with Ukrainian authorities accusing Russian troops of "shelling" the nuclear site. Moscow had informed the international nuclear authorities on Tuesday that Russian forces had secured the territory around the plant and it was operating normally.

    The Russians had already taken the plant under their control, when a Ukrainian sabotage unit fired on a Russian perimeter patrol with small arms. During the attack, a fire started in an office/storage building on the plant grounds but not connected to the actual reactor. The fire was extinguished and the Ukrainian sabotage unit was eliminated. There is currently no danger of radiation leakage or explosion at the plant.
    The fake news report about Russian forces shelling the Jewish Holocaust Memorial at Babi Yar near Kiev are also completely false. A Russian missile strike was carried out on a main Kiev TV broadcast antenna located about 500 meters from the memorial. The TV antenna was destroyed, the memorial was not hit.

    Below is a map of the military situation as of 3 March, courtesy of Erwan Castel


    ( https://alawata-rebellion. blogspot.com/ )

    The strategic city of Khersan has been liberated by Russian forces. Though sporadic fighting continues in the city, it has been liberated and will remain so. The three main areas of active combat operations are currently Kiev, Kharkov and Mariupol.
    Kiev is blocked by Russian troops on the north and west, and Russian troops are actually operating inside the north and west parts of the city. Russian troops continue their advance on Kiev from the east, and will soon begin encircling the city in a southern direction, in conjunction with Russian troops to the west. Strategic missile strikes continue to target Ukrainian command centers, troop and equipment concentrations. The Human Shield tactic is being used in Kiev, but to a lesser extent than elsewhere.

    The completely unregulated handing out over 18,000 AK assault rifles and ammunition on the street to anyone who walked up and wanted one has resulted in scores, if not hundreds, of murders, accidental and indiscriminate shootings in Kiev in the last few days. This criminally insane act on the part of the Kiev regime was done intentionally to cause chaos and anarchy among the civilians and to make the job of Russian liberators more dangerous and difficult.

    Kharkov, Ukraine's second largest city, has a significant percentage of Russian speakers in the population, but also a strong concentration of regular and nationalist troops who will use ethnic Russians as human shields. Russian troops are advancing on Kharkov from the north, northeast and northwest. They are operating in northern suburbs of the city, but the urban operations have met heavy resistance and difficult terrain. Russian casualties there have been significant.

    On the east and west outskirts of Kharkov, Russian units continue to move south to complete the encirclement, which should be complete in the next 48 hours or so. Once the city is surrounded, some Russian troops will be freed to advance towards Poltava to the southwest and Kramatorsk to the southeast. Once Kramatorsk and Zaparozhia are liberated, Russian troops will link up and the bulk of the Ukrainian military on the Donbass Front will be surrounded.

    Mariupol remains a heavily contested area. It has been surrounded by Russian and Republican troops, including my comrades in the VOSTOK Battalion. Mariupol, an industrial city on the coast of the AZOV Sea, has been the headquarters and main base of the nazi AZOV Battalion for many years. Other neo-nazi units as well as ISIS units are stationed there as well. These war criminals will fight to the death, because they know the justice that awaits them if they are captured will be harsh and last for the rest of their lives. These are terrorists and murderers who enjoy killing, and will make the most of innocent civilians as last minute victims and human shields. There are multiple videos of cars full of civilians, men, women and children, being murdered by nazis and other terrorists as they try to leave the city. However, as of today, March 4th, some civilians have successfully evacuated via humanitarian corridors.

    It has now been officially confirmed by t he spokesman of the Donetsk People's Republic's Army, Eduard Basurin , that last night the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a Tochka-U attack on the AZOV headquarters in southwestern Mariupol. According to his information, the reason for the strike was between Azov's complete refusal to obey AFU command orders to coordinate their actions with the command of the Ukrainian forces. As a result of the strike, more than 20 fighters and 10 units of equipment were destroyed. There are some unconfirmed reports of AZOV terrorists murdering a Ukrainian Army General shortly prior to the missile strike.

    My Personal Experiences Of The Last Week

    I spent Feb 28th and March 1st on the Front lines deep into territory formerly controlled by ukrop army. Traveling with Russian war correspondent Alexander Sladkov, we made it as far as the village of Andon, almost 50 Km beyond the former front lines. Fighting is heavy, we saw many blown up ukrop block posts, and armored vehicles from both sides, but mostly ukrop. It was like something out of a World War 2 newsreel, with shell shocked civilians gathered in town squares, wary of us as we approached, then breaking into tears of joy when they understood who we were. Ukrops are randomly bombing the areas they retreat from as they retreat, apparently equally as willing to hit newly liberated civilians as they are to hit the Russian liberators.


    (Unexploded GRAD missile inside civilian house in the village of Andon)
    The Russian liberation forces are huge - multi-hundreds of tanks and armored infantry vehicles, very tough and ready soldiers, led by highly competent officers. The DPR Republican forces are still holding the line along the central Donetsk Front - Donetsk, Makeevka, Yasynuvata, Gorlovka. There are still extremely large and dangerous concentrations of ukrop soldiers on the Front, and while they have been mostly quiet and have not advanced, they are still shelling civilian areas of all our cities daily. One of the major ukrop strongpoints is the Mari'inka area, barely 5 miles from my house in Petrovsky District of Donetsk. There is also a high concentration of nazis and war criminals there, and it will not be taken without a hard fight. Nothing in this war will come easy.

    CONCLUSION - In the first week of February, I wrote an article predicting with 90% certainty that before the beginning of March, the Ukraine Army would attack Donbass, and Russia would be forced to react immediately to prevent genocide against the civilians and defenders of the Donbass Republics. With the single exception of Scott Ritter, virtually every other self-styled "expert" and "geopolitical analyst" on the subject of the Donbass War, in both the mainstream and "alt" media not only disagreed, but scoffed at my predictions and even at me personally. And just as in the lead up to the Iraq invasion, these "experts" simply ignored Scott Ritter.
    Well, nobody's right all the time, and I do understand that I have a huge advantage over all the pundits "covering" the war from thousands of miles away, since I am in Donetsk, on the ground, and have been here for the last 8 years. My sources include personal friends who are officers in the DPR Army, including in Spetsnaz units, and people, including myself, who have lived, and live (and die) under ukrop shelling on a daily basis.

    It is no surprise that I got it right. What is surprising is how so many so-called "experts" got it so wrong, and did so in such a pompous and condescending manner. And I mean, in particular, Andre Raevsky, Ray McGovern, and above all, the poseur, plagiarist and outright liar, Dean O'Brien . Here is one of his Tweets (from London, where he "covers" the Donbass War from 2,000 miles away) posted less than 2 weeks before the actual invasion, and more than a month after my specific predictions of it.


    "Those of us that know" didn't know ****, but were happy to insult me, the one who got it right.


    Funny Boy O'Brien, ridiculing the "imminent invasion" less than a month before the imminent invasion.
    { FEEL FREE TO EDIT OUT THE PRECEDING PARAGRAPH AND TWO IMAGES ABOVE FROM THIS ARTICLE BEFORE PUBLICATION. I WILL HAVE A FULL REPORT ON O'BRIEN COMING SOON. WITH SCREENSHOTS OF HIS EMAILS AND PM'S. IF I CALL SOMEONE A POSEUR AND A PLAGIARIST, A LIAR AND A QUISLING AND A WORTHLESS BASTARD, YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO BACK IT UP WITH PROOF. IT IS OBLIGATORY. AND SO I WILL. AND TO MY REAL COMRADES, YOU CAN LEAVE THEARAGRAPG AND IMAGES IN, WHEN YOU PUBLISH AND SHARE, AS A PRELUDE TO WHAT COMES NEXT FOR DEANO BEANO OBRIEN.}

    I was also the only one to correctly predict the exact plan for the ukrop attack, which I said would involve a massive assault directly into the major cities of the Republics. As confirmed by Russian GRU Military Intelligence and Russian State Duma, (and Pepe Escobar, who also got it wrong until after it happened) The Ukrainian Army, under US/NATO orders, were to attack the Republics on February 23rd (which is a BIG Russian national holiday, The Day of the Defenders of the Fatherland, commemorating the Heroes of the Red Army who smashed the nazi armies in WW2). The attack was planned to include a massive artillery and rocket bombardment of military and civilian targets in the major Donbass cities, followed by a no-holds-barred combined arms assault directly into the densely populated city centers, where the human shields tactic now being used in all other Ukrainian cities would have been used on a massive scale, not as just a tactic, but as one of the strategic elements of the overall attack , while simultaneously carrying out world war 2 style genocidal "cleansing" of the Russian population by the very nazi battalions that Western media now denies even exist.

    As more of Ukraine is liberated and de-nazified, just as in the aftermath of WW2, the genuine scpoe and depths of the nazi depravities and atrocities will become more obvious and undeniable, as will US and NATO complicity in these abominable crimes. It must never be forgotten that it was determined at Nuremberg that those who give the orders for war crimes are even more guilty than those who commit those crimes themselves.

    The criminal overthrow of the legitimate government of Ukraine and the installation of a genuine nazi regime in Kiev will soon reach its denoement, thanks to God and Russia, and to the long suffering Russian people in Donbass and Ukraine. Thus the latest of a seemingly interminable list of US and NATO criminal wars of aggression (the supreme war crime) will again end in defeat and shame for the criminals themselves. God grant, along with the help of the Russian military, that justice will be done, and this will be their last.

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    https://tass.com/emergencies/1417687...rer=google.com
    Quote Three intelligence officers, staffers of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s Main Intelligence Directorate, were killed while performing special assignments. These are Dolya Alexey Ivanovich, Chibineyev Valery Viktorovich, Kireyev Denis Borisovich," the directorate said in a statement.

    "They died while defending Ukraine," it said.

    Meanwhile, Ukrainian parliament member Alexander Dubinsky said on Saturday that Kireyev was killed while being detained by officers of the Ukrainian Security Service on suspicion of state treason. The Strana portal published a photograph of a male body, which it claims was made at the scene of Kireyev’s murder.
    It was immediately published on several Telegram channels yesterday, that he had been killed because he was too Russian friendly and was accused of treason, everybody around here knows that he had been acting very friendly towards Russia since long ago

    This is not the first person to die under the Nazi regime, majors of some cities were killed or detained as well in the past days, because they were also too Russian friendly and did not allow their people to be put at risk of death under the battle, they were also posted as examples of what happens if you don't follow the mandate of putting civilians on the front as a human shield

    In front of the entire world, a peace negotiator in a very dangerous war has been executed because he was 'too friendly' with the enemy. Is this "Democrazy and Freedom" western style?

    In other news, people in Mariupol and other cities had been told that the Z sign on the Russian tanks and trucks is a version of the Nazi swastika and that they were being invaded by Nazi army so they should kill all of the soldiers they can. Young kids are being brainwashed this way.

    People go pick up the free AKs distributed by the army and then walk into the Russian army and surrender the weapon in exchange for food and a safe way out of the zone

    Relevant telegram posts
    https://t.me/grey_zone/12892
    https://t.me/grey_zone/12893

    I can't access a lot of western sites now, and twitter is down for me, but i still can use a vpn to see them, very slow but it works so far

    Wanted to post a video of something i got shared but the connection is so slow that it never gets uploaded to my youtube channel, so i gave up, sorry guys
    https://t.me/vicktop55/756


    That's all i have, thanks for reading
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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    https://tass.com/emergencies/1417687...rer=google.com
    Quote Three intelligence officers, staffers of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s Main Intelligence Directorate, were killed while performing special assignments. These are Dolya Alexey Ivanovich, Chibineyev Valery Viktorovich, Kireyev Denis Borisovich," the directorate said in a statement.

    "They died while defending Ukraine," it said.

    Meanwhile, Ukrainian parliament member Alexander Dubinsky said on Saturday that Kireyev was killed while being detained by officers of the Ukrainian Security Service on suspicion of state treason. The Strana portal published a photograph of a male body, which it claims was made at the scene of Kireyev’s murder.
    This was also published on RT:
    Ukraine-Russia negotiator killed – reports

    A participant in the first round of peace talks was reportedly killed during an arrest in Kiev

    Sources in Ukraine have claimed that a member of the delegation Kiev sent to engage in talks with Moscow earlier this week was killed on Saturday.

    The first claim about the death of Denis Kireev came from Aleksandr Dubinsky, a controversial MP and journalist. In a post on social media, he claimed Kireev had been killed by agents of the SBU, the Ukrainian security service, during an attempt to arrest him.

    The assertion was later confirmed by two media outlets, Ukraina.ua and Obozrevatel, which both cited their own anonymous sources. The former published a partially blurred photo of what it claimed to be the body of the man. The image showed someone lying on the sidewalk face-up with what appeared to be blood on his face and pooling under the head. No comments by Ukrainian officials were available as of 4 pm local time on Saturday.

    An even more dramatic description of what had allegedly happened was published by Anatoly Sharij, a Ukrainian politician and journalist. He claimed Kireev “was executed by a shot in the head” near a courthouse in Kiev.

    Kireev, who had a background in banking, was photographed sitting at the far right of the negotiating table alongside other Ukrainian officials during the first round of peace talks with Russia on Monday. For some reason, the official list of six representatives that Kiev released to the media did not include his name, so his status during the talks remains unclear.

    Last month, Ukrainian TV’s Channel 5 claimed Kireev had been investigated by the SBU for purported connections with Russian intelligence services since at least 2020. It alleged the investigation had been called off because he had personal connections in the agency.

    It remains unclear if the report about Kireev aired on the channel, which is owned by former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, was part of a negative publicity campaign conducted against him, however.

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    In war, if you lose the capability of having fun, or start acting so serious you forget how to laugh or be childish, then you become the monster you wanted to defeat.

    That's why it's important to always be free and to have dumb fun, it keeps your soul human and healthy, even in the worst times and no matter what you have seen

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    Not sure if this was posted or is on the west media, but this happened so wanted to share

    https://t.me/russia/2830
    Quote It is reported that in Kiev, nationalists caught and began to torture the famous MMA fighter Maxim Ryndovsky. They shoot the result on camera.

    The three-time world and European medalist and three-time champion of Ukraine in combat sambo was guilty of training with the Chechen club "Akhmat".
    Warning: Graphic content


    He's Ukrainian by the way

    Were is the cry from the west? There will be no cancelling of the Ukraine Nazi government over this, i'm almost 100% sure. The world will remain silent about it and follow the narrative, this is just one example of how easy the masses of people globally are manipulated
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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    Not sure if this was posted or is on the west media, but this happened so wanted to share

    https://t.me/russia/2830
    Quote It is reported that in Kiev, nationalists caught and began to torture the famous MMA fighter Maxim Ryndovsky. They shoot the result on camera.

    The three-time world and European medalist and three-time champion of Ukraine in combat sambo was guilty of training with the Chechen club "Akhmat".
    Warning: Graphic content


    He's Ukrainian by the way

    Were is the cry from the west? There will be no cancelling of the Ukraine Nazi government over this, i'm almost 100% sure. The world will remain silent about it and follow the narrative, this is just one example of how easy the masses of people globally are manipulated
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    This picture was on twitter to show the Flags together but check out the blond bearded guy 3rd from the right. If you don't know the ISIS finger sign I can try to upload another picture to show you. Ukraine seems to be the new killing arena.
    See also Malisa's thread Ukraine is a Nazi state, don't fall for the lie — where she posted this back in September:

    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    Long live the Führer! Wait.. I mean Ukraine! Wait... i mean NATO

    Wait... no no, that's not right, i mean "long live democrazy!"


    What is not to love about those beautiful Ukranian flag colors?, and all that Nazi symbolism that goes with it? Honestly, what is wrong with people that think there's something wrong with this picture? And what is wrong with people who question why the US is giving hundreds of millions of dollars every year, to enable and support this? How can this be wrong? Just look at how proud they are!!

    * Image links not working somehow, can't embed but check the links directly *
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    Quote How prevalent are far right nationalists in Ukraine?
    https://medium.com/@mattflorence/how...e-c04b9fb5b3d9
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    Here's a detailed and interesting article, published in India on 28 February:
    Winning hearts and PR war, but Ukraine has a Nazi problem that NATO and USA do not talk about

    Ukraine's neo-Nazi group Azov Battalion

    After failing to stop Russia from invading Ukraine, the western countries and their media outlets have unleashed a propaganda war that involves sharing old pictures from past conflicts to demonise Russia and lavishing praises on Ukrainian leadership for standing its ground against the invasion, seemingly to paper over their own inadequacies.

    The Russian invasion of Ukraine came amidst heightened tensions between Moscow and NATO countries, with the former concerned about their precarious security apparatus as the latter mulled over its expansion in eastern Europe.

    Even as NATO and the US mount a propaganda blitz to counter Russia’s invasion, they have turned a blind eye to a festering problem that seemed to have played a pivotal role in Putin’s calculus to wage an armed conflict in Ukraine.

    And that is Ukraine’s lingering “Nazi” problem. Over the years, neo-Nazism ideology has not only taken root in the Ukrainian conscience but has also gained the Ukrainian government’s imprimatur. This has naturally raised concerns in Moscow that was evident in the speech made by Putin days before Russia’s military offence in Ukraine.

    In his address to the Russian people on February 24, Putin justified his country’s aggression against Ukraine as a peacekeeping mission and couched the forthcoming military operation by Russian forces as “denazification” of Ukraine. “We will seek to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine and put to justice those that committed numerous bloody crimes against peaceful people, including Russian nationals,” Putin said while justifying a military incursion in neighbouring Ukraine.

    But, the west, in their eagerness to wash off their hands from the current crisis in Ukraine, have sought to understate these Russian concerns and pin the blame entirely on the authoritarian and revisionist impulses of President Vladimir Putin.

    They argue that Putin is driven by his desire to correct the “historical wrongs”, which they attribute to his refusal to accept the dismemberment of the USSR and the corresponding loss of Russian prestige and power.

    Putin, they contend, is filled with a single-minded zeal to remedy what he considers as unjust and historical wrong wrought upon his country by the western powers. However, that is a one-dimensional and somewhat prejudiced take on the ongoing crisis.

    What the NATO and the United States fail to highlight, either wittingly or unwittingly, is the creeping emergence of the neo-Nazi supporters in Ukraine, who do not baulk at using intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the implicit approval of government agencies.

    One such neo-Nazi group that enjoys Ukrainian state patronage is the Azov Movement, one of the 30-odd privately-funded “volunteer battalions”, that does much of the frontline fighting with Ukraine’s army against the pro-Russian separatists in the country’s restive eastern region.

    The Azov is not just known for their reputation of being ruthless on the battlefield but also for espousing a militant ideology that wreaked havoc in Germany in the second world war.

    Ukraine’s dalliance with anti-semitic and bigoted forces

    Azov Special Operations Department or Azov Battalion, as it is commonly known, is a right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine. Formed in 2014 as a volunteer militia during the Odesa clashes, the Azov Battalion was soon incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, serving in the state capacity despite having allegiance to and drawing inspiration from the supremacist Nazi beliefs.

    In fact, the Azov Battalion is a source of inspiration for white supremacists around the world. At the time of its formation in 2014, Andriy Biletsky, a veteran fascist and the founder of the volunteer group, stated that the mission of the group is to empower Ukraine to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival … against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”

    Azov Batallion soldiers holding the flag of their neo-Nazi organisation

    The logo of the Azov Battalion had Nazi undertones, comprising of two emblems — the Wolfsangel and the Sonnenrad — characterised as neo-Nazi symbols by the Anti-Defamation League. Both these symbols—Wolfsangel and Sonnebrad—have been used extensively by hate groups in different parts of the United States, signifying the Ukrainian group’s impact in motivating supremacist and bigoted organisations around the world.

    The bigotry harboured by the neo-Nazi group was in full glory recently when the National Guard of Ukraine’s Twitter account published a video tweet claiming that its Azov fighters coated their bullets with pig fat to be used against Chechen forces fighting from the Russian side. The actual tweet read “Azov fighters of the National Guard greased the bullets with lard against the Kadyrov orcs.”

    Chechnya is a Russian republic located north of Georgia. Chechen forces are the military force in charge of Chechenya’s defence. The republic is not an independent entity and is subject to Russian laws and regulations.

    However, the use of lard was deliberate, aimed at hurting the religious sentiments of the people of Chechnya, the majority of whom are Muslims. Pig is considered taboo in Islam and Muslims are religiously ordained to not touch swine in any form.

    Azov Batallion and anti-semitic groups in Ukraine: A menace for European neighbours

    While the Ukrainian government nurtures extremist organisations like Azov Batallion, it is their European neighbours who have to bear the brunt of this neo-Nazi ideology that is rapidly spreading its claws across the globe.

    According to Lower Class Magazine, a leftist German publication, Azov has a semi-underground corps called the “Misanthropic Division” that draws fresh blood among the ranks of neo-Nazi youth in France, Germany and Scandinavia. The new recruits are promised training with heavy and modern weaponry, including tanks, at Ukrainian camps alongside fascist fellow inductees.

    Volunteers of far-right group Azov Batallion

    Reportedly, foreign Azov volunteers are motivated by the call of the “Reconquista”—a pursuit to place the eastern European nations under the rule of a white supremacist dictatorship, drawing inspiration from the Nazi Reichskommissariat rule that controlled Ukraine at the time of World War II. A raft of Azov volunteers in Ukraine harbour this dream of reestablishing Ukraine as a white supremacist nation that has under its control large tracts of land from neighbouring European nations.

    White supremacist organisations such as Azov Batallion blossomed under the aegis of the US, Canada military

    Even so, the United States government is partly to be blamed for the ominous rise of the neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. Over the years, the cooperation between the Azov Battalion and the American Military has only grown deeper.

    In 2018, it was reported that Azov Battalion had received teams of American military advisors and high powered US-made weapons. In November 2017, a US military inspection team had also visited the Azov Battalion on the frontlines to deliberate on strengthening cooperation and providing logistical support in their military operations.

    Recently, Democrat Senate member in the United States, Bob Menendez, introduced legislation that sought to grant Ukraine $500 million for the purchase of arms and impose what he called “mother of all sanctions” on Russia should it dare to attack.

    However, what was striking was the absence of any mechanism to oversee if the weapons bought from the US aid would be used by white supremacist organisations like the Azov Battalion. The US legislators had no qualms with the arms they donated to Kyiv going into the hands of anti-semitic outfits like the Azov Battalion so long as they helped them in discouraging Russia from launching an attack into eastern Ukraine.

    Nazi Hakenkreuz flag waved by a team of Ukraine’s Azov Batallion fighters

    Another North American country, Canada, is too being accused of fostering neo-Nazis and war criminals in Ukraine. Earlier last year, many Jewish groups raised concerns regarding the involvement of Canadian troops in training neo-Nazis and war criminals from Ukraine.

    They pointed to a video that highlighted Ukrainian paratroopers singing a song to praise Stepan Bandera, an anti-Semite and Nazi collaborator whose organisation was linked to the murder of more than 100,000 Jews and Poles during the second world war.

    A litany of human rights abuses has been listed against Azov and other neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. Even the United Nations and the Human Rights Watch have accused Azov and similar other groups of committing atrocities in the pursuit of fulfilling their bigoted objectives.

    They are also known for sympathising with the Nazi collaborators, regularly staging torchlight marches for Nazis who wrecked unspeakable atrocities against Jews during World War II. Many of these neo-Nazis are also Holocaust deniers, alleging that the Holocaust was a construct fabricated by the Jews to keep in check white supremacy.

    Several Jewish groups, including the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the National Coalition Supporting Eurasian Jewry, Yad Vashem, and the World Jewish Congress, are among prominent organisations that have condemned Kyiv for rehabilitating Nazi collaborators—a distinct characteristic of the far-right movements in Europe.

    The US and NATO papers over Ukraine’s ‘Nazi’ problem to hide their own moral decadence

    But partisans from around the world, who fall over themselves to denounce countries that do not align with their ideology, conveniently choose to gloss over evil on their own side. The western nations, who are otherwise swift and prompt in condemning anti-Semitism, look the other way, nay, they openly arm and encourage such fascist groups with neo-Nazi leanings, whom they treat as a proxy force to fight the threat posed to their hegemony.

    For the west, white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups such as Azov Battalion are noble outfits, currently involved in buttressing their efforts to keep Russia under check. They do not consider Azov Batallion and groups similar to them as a global threat to democracy, peace and racial equity. They instead treat them as a stick to beat their opponents with, without dragging themselves into the ugly quagmire.

    The lofty moral principles that the west often lays claim to, in its sanctimonious bid to project themselves as morally superior to their opponents, are after all not sacrosanct. They are extremely malleable, contingent upon the current aims and objectives of the west as witnessed in the current case of their support to neo-Nazi forces.

    The Russian invasion of Ukraine, however, threatened to expose the west for its moral decadence. It is to avoid this predicament that the United States and NATO glossed over Ukraine’s dalliance with the neo-Nazis while simultaneously rustling up a propaganda blitzkrieg, flooding the internet with poignant images of conflict and aggrandising Ukrainian leadership’s response to the unfolding crisis.

    The Russian invasion of Ukraine, without a doubt, is worthy of strongest condemnation, but that doesn’t absolve the west from nurturing and fostering an ideology that was responsible for plunging the world into a war over 8 decades ago.
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    Yet, what I noticed is that something's off about the entire attack. Russia could have had way more territory conquered than it has have now, this is however not due to Ukrainian resistance, look at casualties, it is due to gear and weaponry used, Russia is withholding (it strongly looks that way) very modern gear and weaponry for some reason.

    Probably so. Message to the world: this is not what we can do.


    They don't need to commit four times as much manpower or pull in unnecessary equipment. That is an ongoing backstory to the Israeli Air Force in Syria, that it is always a provocation against new radars and weapons systems so they can try to crack it.

    They can just capture warehouses packed with U. S. made Stingers. This is not Russia's whole hog, more like the flick of a finger.

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    But what's
    ISIS/Al Qaeda doing there? Did Kissinger get mixed up when he sent out the memo?
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    ...
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    Russia has banned the export of agricultural fertilizers and from what I have seen said but not directly looked up, Russia provides over 80 percent of America's fertilizer. That could lead to big problems.
    ..
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    I had a chat with someone from Brazil and he said the sanctions does not apply to south America (including Brazil of course), mostly in Europe and US.
    Also it is very important to notice that fertilizer can be synthetic or natural (composting huh?), for the agriculture standards they use the synthetic ones, which Russia basically controls the supply.. well I guess it is time to either each country start manufacturing their own or shift into natural organic fertilizer.. like making their own composting solution (what is wrong with that?).

    This is a typical freak out situation that I compare with toilet paper frenzy, geez people should get a grip in their lives, the entire situation is ridiculous. Let the industry starve to death, plant your food, make your own compost and middle finger to the globalist cabal.
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    (Has this been posted? I don't believe so.) Here's British comedian Russell Brand questioning the mainstream narrative. 1.7 million views in 3 days.

    We’re Not Allowed To Discuss This

    With his outspokenness, only at the very end of Russell Brand's video did I get a hint of why YouTube still lets him spout forth on its channel. He said something along the lines of we need a new form of global governance! Well, that fits right into the elite's agenda, does it not?
    Doesn't mean he is wrong, but yes, although he quacks like one, I still do not trust him completely (33 on left wrist under) since he is apparently also married into the Rotshlds I believe, like that Cocos Macroon from Frankia.

    Spiral, it be interesting if you would go to one of his shows, he's doing a tour coming weeks, take one for the team eh, lol.
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    Another one bites the dust

    Look at that ridiculous positioning, all those words, the stance, i know all of that very well. How they mighty have fallen. This all comes from a position of ignorance and detrimental lack of awareness of the reality lived through most of a decade in Donbass. He didn't bother to look into it, just felt the need to talk

    He forgot this "Engage brain before engaging mouth"

    What a disappointment he turned out to be. I used to say "He speaks my language" but now i can see he was a fool all this time

    30 minutes online searching for the root of this crisis would have avoided this embarrassing situation, yet he did not find the time and just followed the narrative and chose to run along with the zombie masses. What a dumb thing to do

    I thought he was a leader, turns out he's just another brick in the wall

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    I wonder what all the people who now follow the narrative like rabid zombies will do once the 'fad' goes out. Will they go and quietly delete all their idiotic posts and videos? The internet doesn't forget. I suppose a lot of people will have to go silent and crawl below a rock if things turn out not to favor the US and Ukraine

    That's going to be a lot of crawling
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    From an even higher level, all that might be orchestrated by the globalists/WEF, if they favor a Chinese model for the NWO... as seems to be indicated in remarks from (e.g.) Justin Trudeau. China might well be happily planning all this on their own bat, but they might have been quietly encouraged and supported by the globalists/WEF all this time.

    [*]The globalists/WEF have been running the world quietly for the last several decades.[*]They're using China to achieve their goals, which is a Chinese technocratic model of society to control all of humanity.

    It may just be China:

    In 1984, for example, Deng Xiaoping argued for Chinese reunification saying "Taiwan is rooted in the hearts of the descendants of the Yellow Emperor," whereas in 1986 the PRC acclaimed the Chinese-American astronaut Taylor Wang as the first of the Yellow Emperor's descendants to travel in space.


    Europe was told about this during the Ming Empire.

    True, this "globalist" faction emerged from them afterwards, but, there is some strong grit in Chinese nationalism that says:


    We don't like foreigners holding positions of importance here.


    That being said, there may be intra-Chinese factions who are interested in such assistance. What is strange? We have nothing to do with it. Our opinions are irrelevant. All the Malthusian economics sprawled out of Peak Oil and so forth may have been an attempt to thwart this, but it just doesn't work. I do not think it would be all that hard to live with a not--WEF--Monopolar--power, and that whatever China is, is bigger and more real than, whatever that was. There isn't a way we can throw a theory, something artificial, or politics that can overcome the sheer numbers of that culture.

    I am just trying to hold out the option that, at some level, a nationalist Chinaman does not do what a European says.

    First Syria and then the Ukraine should be showing us that western autocratic statements, opinions, and everything else is irrelevant.

    Sidelined.

    None of those "programs" worked. They are unnatural. Most of it can be exposed. Maybe something weird is in those Ukraine labs, I don't know. If "WEF" is a well-known enough modern tag to summarize it all, then, it is not just unacceptable, it just doesn't work. It is a very waste of time to sit around with "democracy" so we can "vote" about "things to do about China".

    With a snowball of research, we could probably find the things that do show how influence works from any western requests into any branches of power there. I think you could show some specific things. It would be really difficult.

    It only takes a small amount of research to show that Russia has warned the U. S. about this "globalist endeavor" since before it was a country and we were friends, but, the U. S. voluntarily surrendered to it, and now here we are. If Russia with China's assent is still hammering the same thing, I am skeptical of the influence it is alleged to have.

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