WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Hermoor]

Kadlec. "I will say unequivocally and undeniably the US does not have a military biological weapons programme." Uh-huh.

This came as quite a surprise.

Verified within the UN's own records the two countries are named as.... the US and Ukraine!

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record...I0FaDk0vXHOcIc

[shaberon]

Posted by Spiral (here)
I bet it's going to be an info dump that will make wikileaks & the Panama papers look like an episode of Sesame street, in fact I think it might make what has so far seemed fiction with the "Q" stuff go live.

Possibly. Here is a bandwagon that I am surprised is not already a mile ahead of me.

There is a bit of difference between Rhetoric and Propaganda. A rhetoric is a persuasive argument, which has points to make and a value associated with it. And so if you want it to work, you need to base it in facts.

Propaganda is the same but only partially relies on facts, be they true or false. Once you read into it, then what is being argued is not really even these facts, it is Reputation.

Well, if there is just one good evidence given about the Pentagaon and biowarfare...if that cracks open the door...all someone has to do is say, hmm, isn't it rather odd that it looks like this is happening in a lot of countries, with things like Bird Flu, which then turn into some sudden new surprise for the human race and a new vaccine is made. There is some kind of cahoots here, intentional or otherwise. This has been visible for about twenty years.

If you had previously tried to convey that as fact, you had no reputation, and so your answer was invalid. Even worse you probably picked up a lot of silly things and packed it all together harming your facts. In the new scenario, that matters less.

If only a few small things can be "proven" by Russia, then, you can justifiably retaliate retro-actively since the target's reputation will be erased, all of the past sins easily become "more true", regardless of proofs or ensuing actions, etc.


If things go the way they are looking, those targets are going to wish they had been caught with anything else besides the germ. A thousand Davy Crockett portable nuclear missiles would be so much better to be actually guilty of. Anything but this.

[chrifri]

Interesting article from Christopher Black, an international criminal lawyer based in Toronto who is known for a number of high-profile war crimes cases.

The Legality of War
https://journal-neo.org/2022/03/08/the-legality-of-war/

In the first part of the short article, Black explains the basis of the international law. In the second part, copied below, he gives his legal opinion about the actual conflict.


In my opinion Russia acted in accordance with international law under Article 51 of the UN Charter for the following reasons;

First, the Kiev regime was mounting a major offensive with NATO’s help against the Donbass Republics with the intent of destroying them. Intensive shelling had already begun days before Russia acted, the shelling of civilian buildings and infrastructure, which resulted in scores of thousands of civilians fleeing into Russia. During that period the Kiev regime also attempted to assassinate a leader of the Republics with a car bomb. Russia had no choice but to protect the Donbass peoples and since the Security Council could do nothing, and the EU and NATO were supporting the Kiev offensive against the Donbass, Russia was the only nation that could act.

The request for military assistance from the Donbass Republics also compelled Russia to send in its forces to help push back the Kiev forces from the territories of the Republics.

Second, Russia itself had been attacked multiple times by Kiev regime forces. Saboteurs were sent into Crimea time and again to carry out raids, assassinate officials, to destroy infrastructure. They even cut Crimea’s water supply, a crime against humanity. Just a few days before Russia acted a Kiev reconnaissance unit invaded Russia but was detected and destroyed. Russia had every right under The Caroline Doctrine to go after the attackers and to prevent further attacks.

The Caroline Doctrine was established in 1837 when American forces invaded Canada, to assist Canadian rebels who had risen against the government. The Americans travelled to Canada by ship across Lake Ontario. The British then later invaded New York State to retaliate and burn the ship, named the Caroline. As a result of that incident, it was agreed by both the USA and Britain that the right of a nation to self-defence rested on two factors:

1. The use of force must be necessary because the threat is imminent and thus pursuing peaceful alternatives is not an option, and,

2. The response must be proportionate to the threat.


In this case the threat was more than imminent. It was on-going and increasing. The only effective and proportional defensive response was to destroy the offensive forces being deployed. These forces include not only Kiev regime government forces but also the nationalist, Nazi brigades supporting and spearheading the Kiev offensive and all the NATO equipment being supplied to them to conduct the Kiev offensive.

Thirdly, the deeper issue was the imminent threat to Russia from NATO posed by its continuous expansion to the east, its continuous build up of forces and offensive structure pointed at Russia and the completion this September of the American missile systems in Poland, Romania and Ukraine which could then be used to launch a nuclear attack against Russia.

We remember that in the past few months the NATO nations have conducted military exercises that included practicing launching nuclear attacks on Russia. We also remember that the USA has a first strike nuclear war policy, claiming the right to use nuclear weapons wherever and whenever they deem fit. It was evident that they were practising attacks because that was and is their intention.

Russia demanded the Americans withdraw those systems, and to withdraw NATO from Eastern Europe. They flatly refused. Ukraine talked of acquiring nuclear weapons and threatening Russia with them. It would take time for them to manufacture but there was nothing to stop the Americans from giving them nuclear weapons, under their control, as the Americans have done with Germany, for instance.

Russia could do nothing, keep the peace, and watch, as the weapons for its destruction were installed and made ready to fire; to commit suicide in other words, or it could defend itself. It warned the US that it would do so, and had the right to do so, the same right the Americans always claim to have, but again Russia was ignored. It had to act or face destruction and subjugation.

We remember that during the Cuban Missile Crisis, in 1962, the Americans threatened to invade Cuba and to attack the USSR because nuclear missiles had been placed in Cuba to protect it against American aggression. President Kennedy established the precedent principle that when a nation feels its existence is at stake from nuclear weapons it has the right to use force to protect itself pre-emptively. Russia is acting on the same principle.

Lastly, the NATO powers have lately relied on their bogus legal doctrine of “responsibility to protect” that they invented after the fact to try to justify their aggression against Yugoslavia. No such doctrine exists in international law but they claim the right to use it nevertheless. It applies, according to them, when a military action is justified, though illegal, “for legitimate humanitarian reasons.’ They were warned that this false doctrine could be turned against them. Russia has not referred to it at all, but if NATO can rely on it for their wars of aggression, then surely Russia can rely on it to justify their military action to defend the Donbass, and themselves.

When one takes account of all the factors that governed the Russian decision to send its forces into Ukraine it is clear that in law they had the legal right to do so whereas the United States continues its illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and Syria to this day and the NATO media powers and governments say nothing, because they are all complicit in those invasions.

If the United States and the NATO alliance had complied with international law in the first place as set out in the UN Charter, the world would not be in this mess. They caused this, not Russia. The responsibility is entirely theirs and they will be judged for it.

[Bill Ryan]

It seems that sanity is prevailing over the issue of implementing a Ukraine no-fly zone, but for anyone not totally familiar with all the factors involved, this 5-minute video summary of why this is NOT A GOOD IDEA is very detailed, well-presented and interesting.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aW8JHomRWyw

[Gwin Ru]

...

... US Admits to Funding Biological Laboratories in Ukraine, with Dilyana Gaytandzhieva 1:09:16

Mar 10, 2022

MintPressNews

State Department official Victoria Nuland admitted on Tuesday that the US government is funding biological laboratories in Ukraine. But what happens behind closed doors? Correspondent Dan Cohen interviews journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, who has investigated these facilities in Eastern Europe.

Read Dilyana Gaytandzhieva's reporting on Pentagon-funded biological laboratories here:

http://dilyana.bg/documents-expose-us...
http://dilyana.bg/us-diplomats-involv...
https://youtu.be/_8hQi2Zv1L0

@Behind The Headlines with Dan Cohen

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=z8VIp1tbzWw

Related:

• Ethnic-Specific Weapons: Leaked Documents Reveal US Diplomats in Georgia Trafficking Human Blood And Pathogens For Pentagon Biowarfare Laboratory

[Tintin]

Scott Ritter reaffirming here that these are "..literal bio-warfare labs" and with his typical perspicacity. He also relates a story from family in Ukraine saying that the Russians have been very polite. He's always very well worth a listen - please do:

Source: George Galloway twitter account

[mountain_jim]

probably unrelated and possibly a psyop or Fake News?...

https://twitter.com/janninereid1/sta...71474248957956





https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/s...dvhjRyGqmVfT8A

[mountain_jim]

Jen Psaki in 2014 when she was a spokesperson for Hillary Clinton's State Department gets confronted by journalists about US officials caught discussing the coup d'etat in Ukraine being worked from the shadows

[Tintin]

Confirmation of a staged event at Mariupol Maternity Hospital:

Source: https://twitter.com/vladimputin/stat...67188245368837

"We went through this over and over with the US war against Syria. Blatant lies to demonize Syria, now used to demonize Russia."

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Scott Ritter reaffirming here that these are "..literal bio-warfare labs" and with his typical perspicacity. He also relates a story from family in Ukraine saying that the Russians have been very polite. He's always very well worth a listen - please do:

Source: George Galloway twitter account

Excellent, as always, from Scott Ritter. Recommended. This is a veteran analyst who (as best I know) has never been wrong about anything yet

[kfm27917]

Malisa:
I fo not have knowlege of Russian literature as you have - my assumption was he was trying to obscure his identity !

[norman]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Confirmation of a staged event at Mariupol Maternity Hospital:

https://twitter.com/vladimputin/stat...67188245368837

"We went through this over and over with the US war against Syria. Blatant lies to demonize Syria, now used to demonize Russia."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hJBCKI3-loI

As it says, make up your own mind. I've made up mine


Even my oldest brother who has no internet, computer or smart phone, and relies entirely on my weekly Sunday night phone calls for any perspective other than the MSM, said:

"Yea, all the filming seems to be close up with only a few people in the frame at one time"

[Hermoor]

[Gwin Ru]

...

... sitrep from the Saker:

The Russian military intervention in the Ukraine – a macro view

57235 Views March 09, 2022 310 Comments

Today, rather than comment on the latest developments on the ground, I want to step back and revisit a few basic, but I believe absolutely fundamental aspects of the Russian military operation in not only the Donbass, but the entire Ukraine. In fact, lets’ begin here:

What was the generally expected scope of operations?

Okay, there is A LOT of nonsense written about this, so I need to clarify a few basic points.

First, absolutely NOBODY had ANY idea of the actual plan until that plan was decided upon. Let me clarify what I mean. Putin, the Kremlin or the Russian General Staff do not have “a plan”, that is not how things work. The Russian GS in particular is tasked with preparing plans for pretty much ANY contingency. So, let’s imagine that for the case of the Ukraine, they have a choice of 12 possible plans. What then happened is this, after being fully briefed on the situation, Putin, as commander in chief, would select one of these plans and give the order to execute it. At which point a number of coded messages will be sent out to various subunits, units, and formations ordering a specific set of instructions to be opened. These instructions would give their first orders for all subunits, units, and formations involved.

What did the vast majority of analysts expect? Here are a few options:

• Russia would wait for the Ukies to attack the LDNR and then assist the LDNR in ways ranging from indirect, deniable, support to a full-scale Russian move into the LDNR.

• Opinions were split on how far the Russians would go. Personally, I believed that they would probably liberate the Donetsk and Lugansk region, free Mariupol, and then dig in. I was very wrong, to put it mildly.

That operation to “free the LDNR from constant attacks” never happened. Putin never gave that order. That is absolutely crucial to understand.

==>>Again, that order never came.<<==

UNPAs in Croatia, now “Serb free”, thanks to NATO

Instead, and in his own words, Putin came to the conclusion that if the LDNR (possibly assisted by Russia) just moved to the administrative borders that would open a long front in which Western assistance would be poured in. He also knew that the Ukie forces in the Donbass were highly concentrated, heavily armed and “motivated”, if needed, by many hardcore Nazi groups inside them. In fact, about 60-75% of all Ukrainian forces were poised for a Blitzkrieg attack à la “Operation Storm” which NATO executed against the UN-protected areas (UNPAs) of Serbian civilians in Croatia. According to at least one well-informed analyst, the operation was planned for the 25th of February. If true, that means that Russia merely preempted a Ukrainian attack.

But what is really crucial is not this, what is crucial is the actual order Putin gave to the Russian armed forces. It was NOT “support the LDNR and push back the Ukie lines”. The order Putin gave was totally different:

• Disarm the Ukraine

• Denazify the Ukraine

The first thing to understand is that an operation to deblock the LDNR would have been a mainly tactical level operation, possibly with subsequent operational level development (such as the closing off the Ukie forces in the Donbass cauldron). But both orders say “the Ukraine” not “the Donbass”.

That means, by definition, that the order Putin gave was for a strategic operation, covering the entire territory of the Ukraine.

In other words, all the opinions, expert or not, which were given about what everybody thought would be a tactical-operational Russian intervention on the Donbass were totally wrong (very much including my own!), at the very least wrong in the scope of operations they assumed.

Okay, what about the predicted timelines?

Let’s look at what most observers agreed upon. The general consensus was something along these lines: it will take Russia about 24 hours to turn the Ukrainian Armed Forces into smaller, isolated units and subunits which would not be able to coordinate attacks and force movements. Okay, IN SPITE OF THE FACT that most analysts expected a tactical to operational attack to deblock the LDNR, this part of the “special operation” was fully successful and achieved on time.

Why?

Because that initial standoff strike was a feature common to both plans! Either way, the FIRST thing Russia had to do is to break up the Ukrainian Armed Forces into discrete and separate “chunks”. Again, BOTH plans assumed that, so it is hardly surprising that this is what actually happened.

However,

While a plan aimed solely at unblocking the LDNR could have been crudely summed up as “kill as many Urkonazis as you can, as quick as you can”, that was NOT an option for the strategic level plan chosen by Putin. There are many reasons for that including:

• Russians do not hate Ukrainians and see them as brothers (the LDNR forces not so much)

• Focusing on the destruction of the Ukie forces in the Donbass would leave their lines of supply open

• Focusing on the destruction of the Ukie forces in the Donbass would have left much of the Ukrainian airspace unchallenged, thereby slowing down Russian air and anti-air operations

• While it is pretty clear that Russia wants as many dead Nazis as possible, there are three things which the folks in the Kremlin do NOT want, and wisely so:

1. Staying in the Ukraine forever (or for a long time)
2. Having to police this huge country and restore law and order everywhere
3. Pay for all the destruction

For this reason, what the Russians did is make maximal use of their air superiority and mobility, but did not storm all the cities or Ukrainian fortifications.

While there is no doubt in my mind that the Nazis and the bosses in the USA had correctly predicted that the Russian operation to dismember and disorganize the Ukie units would affect the entire Ukraine, including long range strikes deep in the Ukie rear.

What I think they missed is the Russians achieved strategic surprise by immediately launching a full-scale strategic assault. Now let’s revisit the timelines:

• Dismembering and disorganizing the Ukrainian military achieved in the estimated 24 hours

• Closing the operational cauldron behind the Ukie forces in the Donbass: achieved in 2 weeks (in fact, it is even better, the Russians are now cutting the Ukie forces in the Donbass into two smaller cauldrons, see map here: (you see TWO blue circles, not one anymore!)

• Within the same two weeks, Russia liberated the entire Sea of Azov coast and much of the Black Sea Coast, which is now either under Russian control, or under direct Black Sea Fleet blockage.

• Also within those two weeks, Russia basically encircled Kiev. This map shows you the situation around Kiev as it was today. While the situation on the south side is still unstable, combat operations are taking place, what is certain is this: only small, secondary, roads and open terrain are left to escape the city. Like everywhere else (see below), the Russians have offered humanitarian corridors and promised safety and good treatment to all Ukrainian POWs (Nazis are excluded, as are foreign mercenaries, they will be interrogated and shot). But to no avail, the Nazi delegation cannot agree to anything because their bosses in DC tell them to fight down to the last Ukrainian (as for the Anglos, Polaks & Co. they announce Russian defeats everywhere and every day, but for some unfathomable reason, they all are safely tucked away in Lvov or even Warsaw. How surprising!)

And, again, all that was achieved in TWO WEEKS and WITHOUT numerical superiority!

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Full article: http://thesaker.is/the-russian-milit...-a-macro-view/

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[mountain_jim]

YouTube stream is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olHRu_Ou4WI
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Security Council on Russia allegations of military biological activities in Ukraine (11 March 2022)
Threats to international peace and security - Security Council, 8991st meeting

11:30am est Russia speaking now, English translation and text

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=olHRu_Ou4WI

Brian Cates is live blogging this here
https://t.me/s/drawandstrikechannel

Russian ambassador to the UN has begun making his opening statement.

Russian ambassador directly states he is accusing the US Dept. of Defense of having done experiments on pathogens in Ukraine that are in direct violation of the BWC both Russia and the US signed in 1972.

Breaking: Russia reports to UN Security Council that US was funding GAIN OF FUNCTION bio experiments in Ukraine labs.

Color me shocked that the Russians claim they have evidence that the same people funding gain of function research on pathogens in Wuhan were also funding gain of function research on pathogens in Ukraine.

Russian ambassador now alleging there is evidence much of this illegal research being done in direct violation of the BWC in Ukraine by the United States involved targeting of specific ETHNICITIES and DNA groups.



)
Russian Federation: we found that they were taking blood samples of Slavics which can be used to create pathologics that can specifically target certain ethnic groups.


)
Russian Federation: we received the information of Kiev biolabs that they were studying H5N1 which has a mortality rate of 50%. We also found they were studying Plague, leptosporiosis, being able to pass from bats to humans. These studies were conducted in the heart of eastern europe right next to the russian border.

Fox News is not covering any of this at the UN.

Fox News right now: "Putin Widens Brutal Assault Into Wester Ukraine".

Russian Ambassador now detailing the claim that there was way too much of these kinds of biological pathogens in these labs seized by Russia for just mere benign research and claims it must have been a military biological weapons program.

Russian Federation: 320 containers of biopathogens were destroyed in connection with a military program

Russian Federation: Kiev decided to use these pathologic diseases on their Ukranian citizens

Russian Federation: Kiev is working with US to coverup their violations of the biological weapons convention so as to prevent Russia from discovering this evidence

Russian ambassador ends by saying Russia could invoke Articles 5 and 6 of the Biological Weapons Convention.

Representative of Albania: any mentions of weapons of mass destruction is worth our time. The UN is unaware of any biological weapons with US and Ukraine. Everything Russia is saying is false and part of disinformation campaign and is not worth our time.

Representative of Albania: Russia is the one's using chemical and biological weapons in Ukraine and blaming it on Ukraine.

(BC: The UN is clearly against Russia. Now they're claiming that there are no biolabs in Ukraine supported by the US. Well, decide for yourself. Here are all of the Russian documents, translated in English for you...)

US Ambassador now up. As expected: Russia in engaged in a brutal conquest of Ukraine, killing citizens with indiscriminate carpet bombing, shelling, etc. All this biolab talk is propaganda.

Now France is up. "Nobody is fooled by Russia's lies."

<BC: Now, when the Russian ambassador spoke, he said a report containing all the documentary evidence will be provided to the council members. That's coming. But from what they're all saying so far, I don't expect they're going to take the report seriously. But it will be publicly released, I'm sure so we'll all get to see it ourselves.>

(US)
Wow.
She just said that the United States was working with the research facilities "proudly, clearly, and out in the open" after they tried to scrub their involvement off the internet!
You can't make this stuff up!

Notice how no country is able to disprove Russian claims. They simply quote US media outlets 😂😂😂 as their source for Russia pushing “disinformation”.

Allow the rats to expose themselves. Let them all have their statements. Once they are done spewing their bull****, and exposing their positions, then Russia drops the incontrovertible evidence and they can’t walk back the fact that they all disregarded Russia’s claims before they saw the evidence.

Be patient.

Think of this like a Project Veritas drip-drip-drip scenario. You release the first video /drop the first evidence claims, get all the denials on record, then drop the more damning stuff and watch them all scramble to walk back.

That's how James O'Keefe destroyed Acorn. He'd release a video, they'd all RUSH to deny what the video showed...then he'd release the next video...and they'd scramble to walk back and 'clarify' their denials. We could be watching the same strategy here. Russia is getting all the denials on the record.

This council has got one thing right.
The world is watching.
And we see right through their BS

Representative of China: the situation in Ukraine is rapidly evolving. It is full of complexities. Recently Russia and Ukraine have held many negotiations and high level peace talks. China attaches great importance with Biological weapons and WMD's. We condemn any country participating in these programs and encourage any country to destroy these weapons should there be any. To uphold Biological Weapons Convention should be upheld and Russia's evidence should be taken seriously with multilateral verification

Representative of China: The US has 336 laboratories around the world. This comes directly from the US. If they deny these allegations they need to present relevant evidence to conclude these allegations are false for all the nations at the council

Represenative of Brazil: any accusations of violations of the BWC are very serious and as such must be thoroughly substantiated and investigated by an independent investigation. Brazil believes, that research should be kept distinct of the development of biological weapons should the BWC be kept intact. We believe a Multilateral verifaction, as described by the BWC, be used to investigate these allegations.

Somebody tell the Ukraine guy, next time don't hire a professional model for the crisis actor at the "maternity hospital" when Russia blows up the Azov battalion's HQ.

Russian Federation: We hear on the media of attacking civilians, hospitals, and using cluster ammunitions and have already denied these allegations with our Ministry of Defense. Did we hear on march 7th, when we said the radicals (AZOV) moved to that maternity ward. Apparently you don't listen. What you can see there is a building without windows but the maternity hospital is not destroyed. Here are the photos. If the building was destroyed by shelling it wouldn't look like this. There's only overturned furniture and still intact chairs.

Russian Federation: We have found out a great deal of what you think of Freedom of Speech when you cut off Russian sources as part of this war. We did not start this war. This war was started 8 years ago by Ukranians (2014).

And it's over.

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Patel Patriot
So Russia makes their case and the almost all of the UN Security Council comes out in opposition saying they have not presented any evidence. So now the UN, the Biden admin, the MSM, basically the entirety of the political establishment is on record denying that the US was doing anything nefarious with biological research in Ukraine.

Hypothetically speaking, what happens when the devolution team comes out with hard evidence to the contrary?

NOW - US at UN Security Council: "Ukraine does not have a biological weapons program. There are no Ukrainian biological weapons laboratories supported by the United States."

Denial now incontrovertibly on the record.

my note: The France speaker just said that the Russian point that the injured pregnant women was propaganda was a LIE. We know from earlier in this thread that it was faked propaganda using a pregnant actress/model, so the French person is the one lying. So much BS being said by the west in my view

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/maui_oi/status/1502039590852435968

The above video got the below censored and dropped from twitter

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/s...44627440173060

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/stat...36784892645377

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/stat...53965265752065

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/stat...98461649813504