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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    War is an illness

    For those who fight it
    For those who live it
    For those who have to watch it

    We all eventually get sick of it, one way or another, it's sad and destructive. We all die in some ways after experiencing war, even if just watching videos about it, it's a thing that you never come back the same as before
    Dear Malisa!

    If you can, do listen to the 10 minutes of Scott Ritter talking to Gerald Celente (starting at 25:05) which I posted here:
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    The interview starts with a lengthy section in which Scott Ritter presents a summary of his career. At one point, he breezes past a quick moment when he describes how he was stationed as a weapons inspector in Russia for a two year period, which he said was "eye-opening". Then he quickly moved on, ending up talking about the history of the problems in Ukraine and the current military situation there. It was quite a monologue.

    At 25:05, Scott Ritter comes to a halt, and after joking with him that he's already answered all his questions, Gerald Celente — who is clearly a better interviewer than I'd thought — is inspired enough to ask him in what way his two years in Russia as a weapons inspector was "eye-opening".

    Wow. Folks, YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS PART if you possibly can.

    His answer is about 10 mins long and worth every gold-plated second. It's one of the strongest pro-human, anti-war polemics I've ever heard, straight from the heart. It's emotional, but at the same time totally grounded, coming from someone whose attitudes were forged by hard-ass Marine Corps training.

    It totally stopped me in my tracks and compelled me to make this post. I can't possibly recommend those 10 minutes too highly.


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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    War is an illness

    For those who fight it
    For those who live it
    For those who have to watch it

    We all eventually get sick of it, one way or another, it's sad and destructive. We all die in some ways after experiencing war, even if just watching videos about it, it's a thing that you never come back the same as before
    Dear Malisa!

    If you can, do listen to the 10 minutes of Scott Ritter talking to Gerald Celente (starting at 25:05) which I posted here:
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The interview starts with a lengthy section in which Scott Ritter presents a summary of his career. At one point, he breezes past a quick moment when he describes how he was stationed as a weapons inspector in Russia for a two year period, which he said was "eye-opening". Then he quickly moved on, ending up talking about the history of the problems in Ukraine and the current military situation there. It was quite a monologue.

    At 25:05, Scott Ritter comes to a halt, and after joking with him that he's already answered all his questions, Gerald Celente — who is clearly a better interviewer than I'd thought — is inspired enough to ask him in what way his two years in Russia as a weapons inspector was "eye-opening".

    Wow. Folks, YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS PART if you possibly can.

    His answer is about 10 mins long and worth every gold-plated second. It's one of the strongest pro-human, anti-war polemics I've ever heard, straight from the heart. It's emotional, but at the same time totally grounded, coming from someone whose attitudes were forged by hard-ass Marine Corps training.

    It totally stopped me in my tracks and compelled me to make this post. I can't possibly recommend those 10 minutes too highly.

    Thank you

    Totally understand how he feels, that's also why i stopped thinking of "Ukrainian blood, or xxx-country blood" and instead just think of it like "living being blood", it does not matter who the person is/was or where they were born, and that's something that made me just walk away one day, because it's unbereable to realise and think about it constantly until your head and heart is saddened in ways that can't be described easily, or at all

    It takes away the old/pure naive smile on your face and replaces it with a facade of a happy person, it can be seen in the mirror every morning, and in the eyes
    Tired

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    Malissa.

    What you stated sums up war so well. It would only blemish your heart-felt message to say more.

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    Illustrates how war is not our nature.
    -Mind control is used big time to get wars going
    -We're all human no matter where we live. We all want to just live and let live.


    Well, S. Ritter snapped out of the illusion.

    War or aggregate violence definitely is an everyday fact of human nature. It is rather that Empire, traceable to Sargon of Akkadia, is artificial, therefor illusionary.

    All of what is really western aggression that is going on here is artificial, illusory, a Big Lie.

    It is a different thing than a hammer still being the most common murder weapon here in the U. S. It is different from small wars contesting local territories that are a matter of survival. Money, trade, and politics makes possible a new level of vice that is not really part of the basic everyday person.

    Mind control, thought control, information control, etc., is a major part of the way this is done, but I would suggest that there are a great many who simply are of violent nature apart from this. So for example, next year, maybe we can snap the illusion of some guy so that he stops hating or seeking war with Russians, and even so he might turn around and abuse his own family.

    For the most part, the whole Cold War mentality is wrong as in it is incorrect. It is ludicrous to think of Russia as some kind of territorial threat--which is actually posed by my neighbors and government. If there is a real threat, I become defensive, and so at some level, war or violence is fairly normal. In my lifetime this immediate threat has become far worse. No one used to lock their doors. You were, sort of, "free", I think, certainly compared to now. I am just different because I do not hide behind locked doors, if something happens, I will put a stop to it.

    Welcome to Phase Two.

    I am not sure what to make about the flight of African Nazis. It sounds like French Foreign Legion. I suppose a lot of death squads have been run in these countries, but, exactly why they would want to visit Mauriopol at this time is beyond me. Oh well. Final Destination. This itinerary's over. Poltava airfield and its helicopters are not even there any more. Greek and Italian train workers refused to load new weapons shipments. What else could go wrong next? Anything made of Lies probably will.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Illustrates how war is not our nature.
    -Mind control is used big time to get wars going
    -We're all human no matter where we live. We all want to just live and let live.


    Well, S. Ritter snapped out of the illusion.

    War or aggregate violence definitely is an everyday fact of human nature. It is rather that Empire, traceable to Sargon of Akkadia, is artificial, therefor illusionary.

    All of what is really western aggression that is going on here is artificial, illusory, a Big Lie.

    It is a different thing than a hammer still being the most common murder weapon here in the U. S. It is different from small wars contesting local territories that are a matter of survival. Money, trade, and politics makes possible a new level of vice that is not really part of the basic everyday person.

    Mind control, thought control, information control, etc., is a major part of the way this is done, but I would suggest that there are a great many who simply are of violent nature apart from this. So for example, next year, maybe we can snap the illusion of some guy so that he stops hating or seeking war with Russians, and even so he might turn around and abuse his own family.

    For the most part, the whole Cold War mentality is wrong as in it is incorrect. It is ludicrous to think of Russia as some kind of territorial threat--which is actually posed by my neighbors and government. If there is a real threat, I become defensive, and so at some level, war or violence is fairly normal. In my lifetime this immediate threat has become far worse. No one used to lock their doors. You were, sort of, "free", I think, certainly compared to now. I am just different because I do not hide behind locked doors, if something happens, I will put a stop to it.

    Welcome to Phase Two.

    I am not sure what to make about the flight of African Nazis. It sounds like French Foreign Legion. I suppose a lot of death squads have been run in these countries, but, exactly why they would want to visit Mauriopol at this time is beyond me. Oh well. Final Destination. This itinerary's over. Poltava airfield and its helicopters are not even there any more. Greek and Italian train workers refused to load new weapons shipments. What else could go wrong next? Anything made of Lies probably will.
    There's such a conviction with people that have served in the military and now are against war of any kind. Ken O'keefe, Tulsi Gabbard, Oliver Stone, Jesse Ventura come to mind.

    I'm of the belief that we're born innocent into a corrupted world. And that no human's nature is war like. But people can be corrupted to become this way.
    "Without the human request, nothing will happen."

    "This must never be forgotten, that the human has the power to prevail."

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    Many many thanks to all of you for your stunning contributions here. Really

    Of the many correspondents and commentators out there I have just the most enormous admiration for Patrick Lancaster. Without his indisputable bravery we really may not know, at all, what the situation looks like for the citizens in Donbass. Following his extraordinary footage on the ground is as close to being there as one could possibly imagine.

    Here is some very emotional footage, from Mariupol, where he and his team have been for quite some time now.

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    What Russia Is Saying about the ‘Laptop from Hell’

    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/vwumy7

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    On March 31, the chief of Russia’s radiation, chemical and biological protection force, Igor Kirillov, gave a news briefing about documents that had been seized by Russian forces in eastern Ukraine, including correspondences between Hunter Biden and figures involved in biological research in Ukraine, who were financed by his investment firm, Rosemont Seneca.

    The documents revealed an intent to create a “Central Depository of Especially Dangerous Microorganisms in Kyiv,” according to Russian MoD spokesperson Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, as well as ways to distribute biological agents via drone.





    By TASS NEWS AGENCY
    March 31, 2022

    The Russian Defense Ministry has made public a list of persons involved in creating components of biological weapons in Ukraine.

    The chief of Russia’s radiation, chemical and biological protection force, Igor Kirillov, told a news briefing that one of the key figures was Robert Pope, the Director of the US Defense Department’s Cooperative Threat Reduction Program at the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (also known as the Nunn-Lugar program – TASS).



    “Pope authored the idea of creating a central depository of high-threat pathogens in Kiev,” Kirillov said.

    He pointed out that “in his letter to Health Minister Ulana Suprun (a US citizen – TASS) Pope spoke highly of her activities. “In particular he emphasized her role in providing US specialists with access to Ukrainian biological facilities and the beginning of efforts to form a depository of microorganisms.”

    “Let me remind you what this kind of activity led to: according to the available evidence all pathogenic biomaterials were removed from the depository at the beginning of February 2022 and taken by a US military transport plane to the United States via Odessa,” Kirillov said.

    LIST OF OFFICIALS
    Kirillov said that Joanna Wintrol, the head of the DTRA office in Ukraine, was responsible for coordination of military biological projects in the country and for personnel selection.

    “Under her guidance several projects (UP-4, UP-6 and UP-8) were implemented. They envisaged research into deadly pathogens, such as anthrax, Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever and leptospirosis,” he said.

    Kirillov drew attention to the Ukrainian branch of the Black & Veatch company and its chief Lance Lippencott, the main contact person for Ukraine’s defense and health ministry officials. “The company has worked for the Pentagon since 2008 under projects for studying potentially hazardous bioagents, including project UP-1 for studying rickettsia and tick-borne encephalitis virus in arthropods in northwestern Ukraine. For the purpose of global control of the biological situation in the course of the UP-2 project the company introduced a system of remote monitoring of tularemia and anthrax at Ukrainian bio-facilities,” Kirillov said.



    He stressed that “Black and Veatch activities aroused many questions even from Ukrainian special services.” In particular, the Kherson office of the Ukrainian security service SBU back in 2017 noted growing potential risks of a worsening in the epidemiological situation due to the DTRA’s intention to use the Black and Veatch company to establish control of Ukrainian laboratories studying the pathogens of particularly dangerous infections.

    The supervisor of biomonitoring and information transfer, David Mustra, acted in close coordination with Metabiota – another contractor working for the Pentagon.

    “Earlier, Mustra coordinated military-biological projects in Ukraine and Eastern Europe under the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program,” Kirillov said.



    He stressed that Metabiota was well-known for its research into forecasting outbreaks of infectious diseases. Also, the Pentagon used its services for modeling the epidemiological situation in the post-Soviet space.

    “Metabiota’s representative in Ukraine was Mary Gutierrez – its vice-president and Hunter Biden’s confidant, which is confirmed by their correspondence,” Kirillov said.
    Lastly, Scott Thornton was responsible for the laboratories’ upgrade.





    Russia’s MoD releases info on US involvement in Ukraine’s bioweapons research. © Photo : Russian Ministry of Defence.



    “Also, he (Thornton) provided advice to local personnel regarding the handling of high-threat pathogens under the DTRA’s Ukrainian projects. The obtained evidence indicates the direct involvement of the US Department of Defense and of its contractors in planning and implementing the Pentagon’s projects in Ukraine. We believe that the aforesaid executives are obliged to answer questions concerning the real purpose of these works,” Kirillov said.

    TRANSCRIPT OF KIRILLOV VIDEO
    The incoming materials make it possible to trace the interaction pattern between US government agencies and Ukrainian biological objects.

    It’s remarkable that structures close to the current US leadership, in particular the investment fund, Rosemont Seneca, headed by Hunter Biden are involved in the financing of these activities.

    The fund has significant financial resources in the amount of $2.4 billion.

    At the same time, the fund is closely connected to the main contractors of the US Department of Defense, including Metabiota, which, along with Black & Veatch is the main supplier of equipment for Pentagon biological laboratories around the world.

    The scale of the program is impressive. In addition to the DoD, the US Agency for International Development (USAID), the George Soros Foundation, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) are directly involved in its implementation.

    Scientific supervision is carried out by leading research organizations, including the US National Laboratory in Los Alamos, which develops nuclear weapons as part of the Manhattan Project.

    All this activity is carried out under the full control of the Pentagon.

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    A very comprehensive, balanced and detailed update on the current military, economic, political and negotiation situations from Alexander Mercouris (half of The Duran), posted 21 hours ago. It's long (55 mins) but he speaks very slowly and clearly and for many listeners it could easily be played at 1.25x-1.5x speed.

    Battle For Donbass Looms, German Industry Warns Gas Cut Off, China & India Hold Firm on Russia


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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    I'm of the belief that we're born innocent into a corrupted world. And that no human's nature is war like. But people can be corrupted to become this way.


    Well, there are a lot of factors at play. Ritter and those others were exposed to modern warfare, which is an unusual beast based on the conquest of property.

    I was a non-violent kid. But I was entranced by symbols of wealth such as mansions, limousines, and yachts, and by extension, war machines. And so I would have mindlessly supported any U. S. and "Allied" war efforts because of this materialism.

    The "snapping out of it" that I did by means of revulsion leads me more to "conflict is the enemy" which is the Russian strategy.

    And so what would it mean to be "against war" or "unwarlike" when you can watch your neighbor swell up with personnel and weapons intended to be used against you?

    "Prevent or avoid" this conflict was 1991 which Joe Biden agreed to.

    The issue of self-defense is about as violent and warlike as anything else, but it works differently. Whereas total pacification of a populace is a means of militarily dominating it. The main issues that were discussed in the conversation about distorted political and racist animosity, yes, of course, it is exactly that we are trying to defend against or remove. It may be unnatural and undesirable but most emphatically it responds to nothing but force.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Many many thanks to all of you for your stunning contributions here. Really

    Of the many correspondents and commentators out there I have just the most enormous admiration for Patrick Lancaster. Without his indisputable bravery we really may not know, at all, what the situation looks like for the citizens in Donbass. Following his extraordinary footage on the ground is as close to being there as one could possibly imagine.

    Here is some very emotional footage, from Mariupol, where he and his team have been for quite some time now.

    Mr Lancaster either knows what he got himself in, or he will realize many years later.
    I pray for this man and everyone I see in the videos.
    He has this PTSD look in his eyes, it's either that or he has a slight autism spectrum.
    Whatever the case, not many people could keep it up as he does, I thank him deeply for what he is doing.

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    Quote Posted by JackMcThorn (here)
    Gonzalo Lira just went live a couple minutes ago...

    https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1510760135953690653


    https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1510635534321860611


    https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/statu...59660268802051


    https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/statu...48066403143683


    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/statu...94180720459781
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    https://twitter.com/PSFAERO/status/1510585928858935301

    https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/st...38385941164040
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    https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/sta...24723477852160

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/st...95717520928772

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/st...95722570805249

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/st...95725150347268

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/st...95727662772226
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    The use of simple national identities in conversations about this ( and other ) situations is misleading.

    There are at least 2 "Americas" involved in the Ukraine situation right now, for example. There were at least 3 "Americas" involved in the heat of the Iraq situation a decade ago. They were even competing, fighting and killing each other.

    It sounds complicated, I know, and it IS, but it's the real state of things when you drill down into it.
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    ‘Facts are not the friends of Ukraine and its allies right now’ – Scott Ritter on Bucha allegations 05:36

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    Russia has called for a UN Security Council meeting as shocking images emerged yesterday from the Ukrainian town of Bucha. Moscow has dismissed allegations as a provocation by Kiev. We discussed the disturbing events with Scott Ritter, a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    Statement in full issued here: https://t.me/s/MFARussia/12230
    Statement by the Russian Defence Ministry ⚡️

    The Russian Defence Ministry denies accusations of Kiev regime of allegedly killing civilians in Bucha, Kiev Region

    Facts 👇

    ❗️All the photos and videos published by the Kiev regime allegedly testifying to some "crimes" committed by Russian servicemen in Bucha, Kiev region are just another provocation.

    During the time that the town has been under the control of the Russian armed forces, not a single local resident has suffered from any violent action. Russian servicemen have delivered and distributed 452 tonnes of humanitarian aid to civilians in Kiev Region.

    For as long as the town was under the control of the Russian armed forces and even then, up to now, locals in Bucha were moving freely around the town and using cellular phones.

    The exits from Bucha were not blocked. All local residents were free to leave the town in northern direction, including to the Republic of Belarus. At the same time, the southern outskirts of the city, including residential areas, were shelled round the clock by Ukrainian troops with large-calibre artillery, tanks and multiple launch rocket systems.

    ❗️We would like to emphasise that all Russian units withdrew completely from Bucha as early as March 30, the day after the Russia-Ukraine face-to-face round of talks in Turkey.

    Moreover, on March 31, the mayor of Bucha, Anatoliy Fedoruk, confirmed in a video message that there were no Russian servicemen in the town, but he did not even mention any locals shot in the streets with their hands tied.

    👉 It is not surprising, therefore, that all the so-called "evidence of crimes" in Bucha did not emerge until the fourth day, when the Security Service of Ukraine and representatives of Ukrainian media arrived in the town.

    It is of particular worry that all the bodies of the people whose images have been published by the Kiev regime are not stiffened after at least four days, have no typical cadaver stains, and the wounds contain unconsumed blood.

    ❗️All this confirms conclusively that the photos and video footage from Bucha are another hoax, a staged production and provocation by the Kiev regime for the Western media, as was the case in Mariupol with the maternity hospital, as well as in other cities
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    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/st...95727662772226
    [related] - here's a particularly good historical conversation which I watched this weekend just passed featuring Stephen F. Cohen, another very knowledgeable source on international policy and Russia. Many of his insights dovetail with other more recent commentators.

    Just over an hour, lucid, and sometimes amusing I'd recommend him as another trusted authority.

    Stephen F. Cohen: The Ukrainian Crisis - It's not All Putin's Fault (Recorded in 2015)

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    Stephen F. Cohen, Professor Emeritus, Russian Studies and Politics, New York University and Princeton University; Contributing Editor, The Nation

    In conversation with Dr. Gloria Duffy, President and CEO, The Commonwealth Club

    The consensus view in Washington and in the U.S. mainstream media is that the Ukrainian crisis, which some have called the worst international crisis of our time, is due solely to Russian aggression under President Vladimir Putin. Stephen F. Cohen’s view, on the other hand, is that U.S. policy since the 1990s is largely responsible, and that unless this is acknowledged at least in part by Washington, no successful negotiated end to the crisis will be possible.

    Professor Cohen’s Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives: From Stalinism to the New Cold War and his The Victims Return: Survivors of the Gulag after Stalin are now in paperback. Come hear the provocative views of this influential and noted Russian scholar.
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