WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting new 17-minute piece by Tucker Carlson. He pretty much tells it exactly as it is, maybe the only mainstream news presenter anywhere in the US (or European!) media that's doing so.

What he says is so much counter to the scripted establishment position that one suspects he's pushing the line as far as he can, dropping only a few very mild Russian criticisms to ensure he keeps his job.

But I'd bet that in private and entirely off-record (with no Fox News producers listening) he'd state a personal view exactly in line with Scott Ritter, Eva Bartlett, Alexander Mercouris, or Col. Doug Macgregor.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1MJDvr-1Z-A

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1573315028400410624

Hoorah!

https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1572928325022289920

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...05987188101120

https://www.politico.eu/article/ital...von-der-leyen/

Von der Leyen’s warning message to Italy irks election candidates

‘What is this, a threat?’, Italy’s Salvini asked von der Leyen

Italian politicians asked European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen not to intervene in domestic politics after she warned that Europe has “the tools” to deal with Italy if things go in a “difficult direction.”

During a conference on Thursday at Princeton University, an attendant pointed out to von der Leyen that “figures close to Putin” were among candidates for the upcoming legislative election on Sunday. “We’ll see,” she replied. “If things go in a difficult direction — and I’ve spoken about Hungary and Poland — we have the tools.”

This is a clear reference to the ability of the European Commission to cut funds allocated to member countries when they are deemed to be violating the rule of law. Last week, the Commission proposed to cut €7.5 billion of funds allocated to Hungary.

Von der Leyen’s remark came just a day before Italy’s campaign goes quiet for the weekend, and has provoked the ire of multiple candidates during their final stretch.

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“What is this, a threat? This is shameful arrogance,” tweeted Matteo Salvini, the leader of Italy’s far-right League party. He asked von der Leyen to “respect the free, democratic and sovereign vote of the Italian people.”

He also said on Italian TV that “if anyone in Brussels thinks of cutting the funds that belong to Italy, because the League wins the elections, then we have to rethink this Europe,” adding that “this is institutional bullying.”

Italy is the biggest beneficiary of the Next Generation EU fund, a package of grants and loans to tackle the economic challenges after the COVID-19 pandemic.

Even Matteo Renzi, the EU-friendly, liberal leader of the Italia Viva party, asked von der Leyen “not to enter into Italian affairs in the slightest.”

“I’m sure she will clarify her sentence,” said a more lenient Enrico Letta, who leads the center-left democratic party. He assured Italian voters that “there is no blackmail from the EU.”

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status...36130816278529

[thepainterdoug]

Bill

Its incredible how much Tucker is allowed to say and have fly on MSM. He must be the entire $$ value to Fox and shareholders. Should he leave and do his own Joe Rogan type thing, Fox would go to the dust bin.
God bless Tucker. Thanks for posting.

[Bill Ryan]

Very very interesting, from TASS. It's another indicator of the major global topping point, that we're all right in the middle of, that the arbiters of proper referendum administration and conduct are from nations apart from the US.

• https://tass.com/politics/1512423

Observers from Africa, Europe, South America on hand at Zaporozhye referendum — official

According to Galina Katyushchenko, "observers are carefully keeping an eye on strict compliance with the voting procedure on the ground, asking questions to members of the commissions, reading documents, quizzing local observers about details and talking to referendum participants"

Observers from Africa, Europe and South America are present at the referendum in the Zaporozhye Region, Galina Katyushchenko, chairwoman of the region’s election commission, told reporters on Friday.

"The referendum in the Zaporozhye Region is generating a strong interest among the media and observers. To date, 823 observers from a variety of public organizations from the Zaporozhye Region have been registered. In addition, delegations of international observers, which include representatives from a wide range of European, African and South American countries, are already working within the region," she noted.

According to the official, "observers are carefully keeping an eye on strict compliance with the voting procedure on the ground, asking questions to members of the commissions, reading documents, quizzing local observers about details and talking to referendum participants."

"International observers’ accreditation applications are still coming in. All electoral procedures are open and public, but at the same time protecting personal data along with the security of voters and members of election commissions must be ensured," Katyushchenko pointed out.

In addition, she said that 55 journalists from 18 media outlets were accredited for the referendum.

The vote on joining Russia is taking place in the Zaporozhye Region on September 23-27. The Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics as well as the liberated Kherson Region are holding similar referendums. For security reasons, voters will cast their ballots next to their homes and in door-to-door voting during the first four days of the referendum in the four regions. Voting is also organized in Russia.

[Bill Ryan]

Meanwhile, from the Washington Post:

• https://washingtonpost.com/world/202...ine-annexation

Kremlin proxies stage referendums as Russia aims to seize Ukrainian land

[extract only: the entire article is very long, but well worth reading in its stinging entirety.]

The so-called votes, which are being orchestrated in parts of the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of eastern and southeastern Ukraine controlled by the Russian military, are illegal under Ukrainian and international law and, in any case, would not remotely meet basic democratic standards for free and fair elections.

Western leaders, including President Biden, have denounced the process as a “sham” preparing the ground for Russia’s theft of Ukrainian land. The Kremlin’s puppet leaders, however, exulted in the process, which they tried to portray as a long path from self-determination to unification with Russia.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Putin Prepares To END IT ALL - Ukraine War ESCALATION:

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Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Bill

Its incredible how much Tucker is allowed to say and have fly on MSM. He must be the entire $$ value to Fox and shareholders. Should he leave and do his own Joe Rogan type thing, Fox would go to the dust bin.
God bless Tucker. Thanks for posting.

Tucker is powerful enough to start his own project preferable with Rumble! ... Heck Rumble may offer him lots of money if he gave Rumble some of his daily exclusivity!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Bill Ryan]

Just published, a 50-minute interview of Scott Ritter by Ania K, who I really like listening to. I've not heard this yet, but it's likely to be interesting to those readers who are following the current fast-changing Russia-Ukraine events closely.

Mobilization in Russia; Annexation Referendum in Ukraine; True Side of the UN; with Scott Ritter

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qTZ4ZR5xK3Q

[Bill Ryan]

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https://t.me/intelslava/37835

[norman]

Please pardon me for dropping this speech in here.

On the subject of World War 3, I feel this does belong here, primarily for assistance with the reduction of our own mental and energetic participation in the madness of this evil genius plot that has captured and weaponized the cerebral habits of everyone of us.

ARCHBISHOP CARLO MARIA VIGANO WE MUST UNITE TO STOP THE NEW WORLD ORDER/GREAT RESET


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/2kekiIQ6o2gi/

[Kryztian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
An interesting new 17-minute piece by Tucker Carlson. He pretty much tells it exactly as it is, maybe the only mainstream news presenter anywhere in the US (or European!) media that's doing so.

What he says is so much counter to the scripted establishment position that one suspects he's pushing the line as far as he can, dropping only a few very mild Russian criticisms to ensure he keeps his job.

But I'd bet that in private and entirely off-record (with no Fox News producers listening) he'd state a personal view exactly in line with Scott Ritter, Eva Bartlett, Alexander Mercouris, or Col. Doug Macgregor.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1MJDvr-1Z-A

Tucker's very last words on this clip:

This is a strategy that could very easily bring the total destruction of the West, and soon ... and maybe that's the point.

Is this intentional???

This is a question I've been pondering. Is "The West" (i.e. U.S. and E.U. countries, G7 nations, etc.) intentionally trying to destroy itself??? It really does look like it! But what objective would that accomplish? Who benefits? Who is behind this?

[zebowho]

Posted by Kryztian
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Is this intentional???

This is a question I've been pondering. Is "The West" (i.e. U.S. and E.U. countries, G7 nations, etc.) intentionally trying to destroy itself??? It really does look like it! But what objective would that accomplish? Who benefits? Who is behind this?

The WEF (at least the out in the open part). I just had to add that, sorry, off topic and I'm jumping back to reading!

-z

[ExomatrixTV]

• 😱🔥BREAKING. Warning in Russia 😨:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iN2MG1Z6BAs

[ExomatrixTV]

• A World Conflict Of Epic Proportions Is Here And Putin Knows It! Part 2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7pgpdqX98sY

[jaybee]

Posted by zebowho (here)

Posted by Kryztian
.....

Is this intentional???

This is a question I've been pondering. Is "The West" (i.e. U.S. and E.U. countries, G7 nations, etc.) intentionally trying to destroy itself??? It really does look like it! But what objective would that accomplish? Who benefits? Who is behind this?

The WEF (at least the out in the open part). I just had to add that, sorry, off topic and I'm jumping back to reading!

-z

Just to add a bit more...

Yes the Globalists (WEF etc) - with an army of accomplices are intentionally destroying the West, as we know it - but most of the citizens have no idea what's going on... these are the same Globalists who are trying to regime change in Russia, using Zelensky + the Ukraine, with a view to destroying Russia, as we know it, and taking over the natural resources...

It's a big subject - the army of accomplices are involved for a variety of reasons... coercion, blackmail, money, ideology to name four...

Looks like the Globalists have brought us to the brink of a world war and there is no saying what will happen next -

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by zebowho (here)

Posted by Kryztian
.....

Is this intentional???

This is a question I've been pondering. Is "The West" (i.e. U.S. and E.U. countries, G7 nations, etc.) intentionally trying to destroy itself??? It really does look like it! But what objective would that accomplish? Who benefits? Who is behind this?

The WEF (at least the out in the open part). I just had to add that, sorry, off topic and I'm jumping back to reading!

-z

Just to add a bit more...

Yes the Globalists (WEF etc) - with an army of accomplices are intentionally destroying the West, as we know it - but most of the citizens have no idea what's going on... these are the same Globalists who are trying to regime change in Russia, using Zelensky + the Ukraine, with a view to destroying Russia, as we know it, and taking over the natural resources...

This is pretty much the same question I have, except that "Globalist" is not exactly a faction.

I tend to call them Capitalists.

That honestly is quite possibly the most accurate term, since if I say "Nazi" then we debate if it is really German and so forth, but I think it can mostly be historically traced to a western form of "Bad government" from ca. the 8th century, which is close to the origin of the word "slave", i. e., a Slav. These days mostly being Capitalists of the London School.

Contra this I am going to say that Chinese law and culture is highly against FIRE: Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate dictating policy to the government.

I really cannot figure out the cui bono here. I do not see which western programs gain any substantial benefit from being exposed and attacked in Ukraine.

It is almost more like a long episode of Batman or Scooby Doo, "And they would have gotten away with it, except for..."

I don't dispute for a second that intentional vampirism especially against the U. S. and Germany has been a long-running strategy, but it just does not seem to be working. Meant in the British MI6 sense. Show me which British aristocrats are becoming more aristocratic, and, that might be something, but otherwise what I hear coming from The City was horror stories about the failures of Covid vaccines. The self-destructiveness is obvious to anyone. But I see no gains along ancient party lines.



Here is a little reminder that it is not really feasible to sue for personal damages:


But, as of today, India this month replaced the UK as the world’s fifth-biggest economy. We must note that the Indian economy’s size is $3 trillion, much less than the value of what the British extracted from here.

In fact, going by present global economic trends, the nucleus of global economic growth is again shifting to India, China and other developing countries.

On the other hand, Britain and most of the other erstwhile European colonizer countries are, to an extent, in a state of economic decline. Britain is well on its way to becoming just a remote island in the Atlantic - just as it was before the Industrial Revolution kicked in in the 18th century.



So, I guess, they will never be held completely responsible; but I am not sure how that affects the approximately negative four quadrillion of unsecured derivatives that Deutsche Bank is nested on.

It seems to me the collective west has too much identity crisis to realize it is an isolated 15%, my guess is that the "superiority" will never diminish.

[s7e6e]

Sometimes I think an all out war, with proper war declarations and everything, would be somewhat preferable to yet another theatrical played by actors such as Zelenskyy, meant to distract us while they continue eroding our remaining liberties in closed sessions. Sadly though, most folks are too consumed by the nuclear scare to calmly analyze what has been put before their eyes to see.

Not a nuclear war obviously, nuclear weapons do not exist.

[Tintin]

I've been busy downloading the historic footage from the first days of the referenda in the independent states ready for inclusion in our library here, but wanted to break off and contribute this older article written by John Pilger back in 2014.

In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia

Source: The Guardian

Washington's role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime's neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world

Why do we tolerate the threat of another world war in our name? Why do we allow lies that justify this risk? The scale of our indoctrination, wrote Harold Pinter, is a "brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis", as if the truth "never happened even while it was happening".

Every year the American historian William Blum publishes his "updated summary of the record of US foreign policy" which shows that, since 1945, the US has tried to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democratically elected; grossly interfered in elections in 30 countries; bombed the civilian populations of 30 countries; used chemical and biological weapons; and attempted to assassinate foreign leaders.

In many cases Britain has been a collaborator. The degree of human suffering, let alone criminality, is little acknowledged in the west, despite the presence of the world's most advanced communications and nominally most free journalism. That the most numerous victims of terrorism – "our" terrorism – are Muslims, is unsayable. That extreme jihadism, which led to 9/11, was nurtured as a weapon of Anglo-American policy (Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan) is suppressed. In April the US state department noted that, following Nato's campaign in 2011, "Libya has become a terrorist safe haven".

The name of "our" enemy has changed over the years, from communism to Islamism, but generally it is any society independent of western power and occupying strategically useful or resource-rich territory, or merely offering an alternative to US domination. The leaders of these obstructive nations are usually violently shoved aside, such as the democrats Muhammad Mossedeq in Iran, Arbenz in Guatemala and Salvador Allende in Chile, or they are murdered like Patrice Lumumba in the Democratic Republic of Congo. All are subjected to a western media campaign of vilification – think Fidel Castro, Hugo Chávez, now Vladimir Putin.

Washington's role in Ukraine is different only in its implications for the rest of us. For the first time since the Reagan years, the US is threatening to take the world to war. With eastern Europe and the Balkans now military outposts of Nato, the last "buffer state" bordering Russia – Ukraine – is being torn apart by fascist forces unleashed by the US and the EU. We in the west are now backing neo-Nazis in a country where Ukrainian Nazis backed Hitler.

Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev, Washington's planned seizure of Russia's historic, legitimate warm-water naval base in Crimea failed. The Russians defended themselves, as they have done against every threat and invasion from the west for almost a century.

But Nato's military encirclement has accelerated, along with US-orchestrated attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine. If Putin can be provoked into coming to their aid, his pre-ordained "pariah" role will justify a Nato-run guerrilla war that is likely to spill into Russia itself.

Instead, Putin has confounded the war party by seeking an accommodation with Washington and the EU, by withdrawing Russian troops from the Ukrainian border and urging ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine to abandon the weekend's provocative referendum. These Russian-speaking and bilingual people – a third of Ukraine's population – have long sought a democratic federation that reflects the country's ethnic diversity and is both autonomous of Kiev and independent of Moscow. Most are neither "separatists" nor "rebels", as the western media calls them, but citizens who want to live securely in their homeland.

Like the ruins of Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine has been turned into a CIA theme park – run personally by CIA director John Brennan in Kiev, with dozens of "special units" from the CIA and FBI setting up a "security structure" that oversees savage attacks on those who opposed the February coup. Watch the videos, read the eye-witness reports from the massacre in Odessa this month. Bussed fascist thugs burned the trade union headquarters, killing 41 people trapped inside. Watch the police standing by.

A doctor described trying to rescue people, "but I was stopped by pro-Ukrainian Nazi radicals. One of them pushed me away rudely, promising that soon me and other Jews of Odessa are going to meet the same fate. What occurred yesterday didn't even take place during the fascist occupation in my town in world war two. I wonder, why the whole world is keeping silent." [see footnote]

Russian-speaking Ukrainians are fighting for survival. When Putin announced the withdrawal of Russian troops from the border, the Kiev junta's defence secretary, Andriy Parubiy – a founding member of the fascist Svoboda party – boasted that attacks on "insurgents" would continue. In Orwellian style, propaganda in the west has inverted this to Moscow "trying to orchestrate conflict and provocation", according to William Hague. His cynicism is matched by Obama's grotesque congratulations to the coup junta on its "remarkable restraint" after the Odessa massacre. The junta, says Obama, is "duly elected". As Henry Kissinger once said: "It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but what is perceived to be true."

In the US media the Odessa atrocity has been played down as "murky" and a "tragedy" in which "nationalists" (neo-Nazis) attacked "separatists" (people collecting signatures for a referendum on a federal Ukraine). Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal damned the victims – "Deadly Ukraine Fire Likely Sparked by Rebels, Government Says". Propaganda in Germany has been pure cold war, with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung warning its readers of Russia's "undeclared war". For the Germans, it is a poignant irony that Putin is the only leader to condemn the rise of fascism in 21st-century Europe.

A popular truism is that "the world changed" following 9/11. But what has changed? According to the great whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules. The Pentagon currently runs "special operations" – secret wars – in 124 countries. At home, rising poverty and a loss of liberty are the historic corollary of a perpetual war state. Add the risk of nuclear war, and the question is: why do we tolerate this?

www.johnpilger.com

[Journeyman]

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Is this intentional???

This is a question I've been pondering. Is "The West" (i.e. U.S. and E.U. countries, G7 nations, etc.) intentionally trying to destroy itself??? It really does look like it! But what objective would that accomplish? Who benefits? Who is behind this?

A power beyond nation states, that simply views them as a tool to employ and then discard, with the interactions between them serving to distract the masses. They're not about re-building the British Empire or renewing Pax Americana. They cross borders, from Phoenicia, Rome, Venice, to the Netherlands, Britain, America and on to Eurasia. By the time an Empire falls they've already moved ahead to feast on the leftovers and build their power anew, just like the Phoenix emerging reborn from the ashes of destruction: