WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ravenlocke]

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[Michel Leclerc]

Referring to your post 5181, Tintin :

Thank you – but... I am probably bordering on idiotic, but I do not understand Maria Dubovikova’s point.. One of the queueing cars (the one we can see) has a Russian number plate... yes... and so... ?

[Bill Ryan]

An excellent short (3 minute) video published by Southfront yesterday. For anyone not closely following the recently announced referendums — and the intensified Ukrainian attacks on citizens — it's a detailed and at the same time very concise summary.

Kiev’s Bloody Attempts To Disrupt Referenda

https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-conten...MR_Ukraine.mp4

[shaberon]

Just to spit out some more devil in the details about today's voting process, this is what is brought to you by makers and users of Statues of Liberty:


Ukrainian militants used 155-caliber CESAR artillery systems supplied by France.

Over the past day, about 300 rounds of ammunition hit the territory of the DPR, in total, killing seven civilians.



In the LPR, over the past day, Novoaidar, Lisichansk and Gorskoe were hit by US-made HIMARS. 18 missiles hit the territory of the Republic.

As a result of the attack, a warehouse of the republican base of special medical supplies was destroyed, and the buildings of the city rescue city fire service were damaged.

On September 23, the town of Stakhanov was again shelled by the American-made MLRS M142 HIMARS. Just in the morning alone 6 rockets hit the town.



Another article on deceit explains simply enough America being taken over by the same autocrat of Europe:



This unseen mechanism of society that manipulates us through fear into compliance is what American theorist Edward L. Bernays referred to as “an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”

It was almost 100 years ago when Bernays wrote his seminal work Propaganda:

“We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of… In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

[ZenBaller]

Hey everyone, I made a similar question a few months ago in this thread. I watch a few videos from this thread every now and then, but it's hard to follow all the alternative media about what's really going on and pointless to follow anything mainstream.

Can anyone make a small recap about the state of the war? I have some general questions like: Is the operation still successful for Russia? Are most of the objectives completed like the current referendum/integration? Does it look like it will end soon or does Russia have extended goals outside Ukraine (are the recent mobilization news real?)? Are nuclear threats real?

Thank you

[Chester]

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Is this intentional???

This is a question I've been pondering. Is "The West" (i.e. U.S. and E.U. countries, G7 nations, etc.) intentionally trying to destroy itself??? It really does look like it! But what objective would that accomplish? Who benefits? Who is behind this?

The hyperdimensional Nordics and their Earthly minions, Die Spinne (ie. the 4th Reich). The goal is to set up China as world hegimon who will turn humanity over to the "savior" Nordics masquerading as "the good ETs" sometime around 2050.

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Posted by Kryztian
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Is this intentional???

This is a question I've been pondering. Is "The West" (i.e. U.S. and E.U. countries, G7 nations, etc.) intentionally trying to destroy itself??? It really does look like it! But what objective would that accomplish? Who benefits? Who is behind this?

The WEF (at least the out in the open part). I just had to add that, sorry, off topic and I'm jumping back to reading!

-z

Yes, the WEF is a major overt front for Die Spinne... but the rabbit hole goes deeper as I just mentioned above.

[Kryztian]

An American and a Russian are drinking at a bar.

The American turns to the Russian and says "the propaganda in your country is really bad."

The Russian says, "that's true, It's certainly not as good as the propaganda in your country."

The American says, "what propaganda?"

[Brigantia]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Referring to your post 5181, Tintin :

Thank you – but... I am probably bordering on idiotic, but I do not understand Maria Dubovikova’s point.. One of the queueing cars (the one we can see) has a Russian number plate... yes... and so... ?

I think that the point is that the Volvo has an EU plate from what I can make out, see the blue part on the left hand side of the plate, the same as you see on EU cars where the country code is displayed with a blue background. The insinuation is that the photo was not taken at a Russian border crossing.

Posted by Tintin (here)

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
An American and a Russian are drinking at a bar.

The American turns to the Russian and says "the propaganda in your country is really bad."

The Russian says, "that's true, It's certainly not as good as the propaganda in your country."

The American says, "what propaganda?"

“Look strong when you are weak. Look weak when you are strong.” I practice the latter in playing pool. I call it “inspiring overconfidence”.

If Sun Tzu’s thoughts about war had been translated a bit earlier, Clausewitz wouldn’t have spawned the awful heights of carnage in that “War to end all wars”.

I don’t think it’s been possible to read the moves of war mongers/makers, since then.

Pretty sure it was James Clavell who brought that to light, including in the business world, in his book set in 60’s Hong Kong. I forget the title, not gonna look it up. Cheers.

[norman]

England, September 23, 2022

https://rumble.com/v1leenx-england-s...r-23-2022.html



Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v1is8qp/?pub=4

[Tintin]

Posted by Brigantia (here)

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Referring to your post 5181, Tintin :

Thank you – but... I am probably bordering on idiotic, but I do not understand Maria Dubovikova’s point.. One of the queueing cars (the one we can see) has a Russian number plate... yes... and so... ?

I think that the point is that the Volvo has an EU plate from what I can make out, see the blue part on the left hand side of the plate, that same as you see on EU cars where the country code is displayed with a blue background. The insinuation is that the photo was not taken at a Russian border crossing.

Posted by Tintin (here)

Yes, Brigantia has identified the very likely issue here, which was my immediate thought too. It's not really a detail that has to be laboured over for too long necessarily but I'd offer this.

The number plate shown on the vehicle clearly isn't a Russian number plate. Maria used an example of one to make that point. That doesn't mean to say that there aren't any EU plated vehicles in Russia but without being able to see any of the other car number plates in the picture - and there are a preponderence of black motor vehicles (intelligence services; rental stock for staged events?) in shot here as well - may suggest that this shot doesn't prove in any way that this is at a Russian border crossing; doesn't show at all conclusively that the individual, and other individuals shown, are of 'call up' age (between 16 and 37 with previous training/reservist); would more likely be stock footage used to promote the idea of a mass exodus in the public mind, and that vehicle number plate would usually I think be blurred - why do we see it at all?

In short, I'm not buying this, any more than I am any of the other pernicious flim flam promoted by western media.

Sure, there will be some younger men and women reluctant to want to leave the relative comfort and normality of their lives as ordinary citizens and will attempt to dodge the call-up, but the picture used to support that narrative ain't cutting it.

And where may they be headed anyway? Perhaps if you're an anti-Russian citizen attempting to flee then maybe you'll head to Finland (bad idea), but, apart from that I can't for the life of me fathom where you'd go.

Simply put, if this is an issue at all, it isn't anywhere near as bad as the western media are portraying it.

[Spiral]

Posted by Brigantia (here)

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Referring to your post 5181, Tintin :

Thank you – but... I am probably bordering on idiotic, but I do not understand Maria Dubovikova’s point.. One of the queueing cars (the one we can see) has a Russian number plate... yes... and so... ?

I think that the point is that the Volvo has an EU plate from what I can make out, see the blue part on the left hand side of the plate, that same as you see on EU cars where the country code is displayed with a blue background. The insinuation is that the photo was not taken at a Russian border crossing.

Posted by Tintin (here)

I saw that too, it's a German plate, I think the post was supposed to be ironic or sarcastic at least but should have captioned the Russian plate "A Russian plate" not "The Russian plate"

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[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ZenBaller (here)
Hey everyone, I made a similar question a few months ago in this thread. I watch a few videos from this thread every now and then, but it's hard to follow all the alternative media about what's really going on and pointless to follow anything mainstream.

Can anyone make a small recap about the state of the war? I have some general questions like: Is the operation still successful for Russia? Are most of the objectives completed like the current referendum/integration? Does it look like it will end soon or does Russia have extended goals outside Ukraine (are the recent mobilization news real?)? Are nuclear threats real?

Thank you

I'll do my best!

• The western media in every single example I know of (many, over 7 months!!) is flat-out lying about everything connected with the Ukraine situation.

• Since February, the Russian military has been going slowly and carefully, constrained by the Russian legal system which defines exactly what the SMO (Special Military Operation) can and can't do. (That includes NOT harming Ukrainian civilians or civilian infrastructure for its own sake.)

• Putin, contrary to every western media account you may read, is intelligent, very well-informed, measured, careful, patient, very legalistic, and methodical in all his thinking and actions. He's probably the most capable and sane leader of any major nation on the planet.

• Precisely because of his approach, he's come under some criticism in Russia for not 'taking the gloves off' and finishing this quickly, which Russia certainly could do. They've not used many of their soldiers, and barely any of their air force or missile capacity. Almost al the infantry fighting on the ground has been carried out by Donbass militia, NOT Russian professionals.

• A couple of weeks ago there was a tipping point, when Ukraine launched two arguably desperate, all-out offensives. (These have been compared to the German Ardennes offensive in June 1944, Hitler's last throw of the dice, which failed.)

• One offensive (Kherson) failed immediately. The other (Kharkiv) captured the town of Izyium, and gained 2,000 sq km of territory. (Note: this is an area of just 27 miles x 27 miles.) The Russians pulled back their very thin force of 2,000 soldiers with almost no casualties, and allowed the Ukrainians to gain ground. However, Russian artillery, some distance away, inflicted many thousands of Ukrainian military deaths, 6,000 or more.

• But this left Izyum undefended, and the Ukrainians took brutal, sadistic revenge on the civilians there. This (maybe justifiably) triggered a firestorm of criticism in Russia, as it was the first time the Russian military had (a) 'lost a battle', and (b) betrayed the Ukrainian civilians who had trusted Russia to protect them.

• So something had to change. Putin (of course, having consulted everyone, including the Chinese and Indians, whose support is extremely valuable to Russia in global terms), ordered referendums to be held in 4 regions of Ukraine which bordered Russia. These are taking place right now (this is Day 3 of 5).

• Simultaneously, he ordered 300,000 reservists to be called up for military duty. These are very unlikely to go to the front lines, but will perform essential support duties in logistics and other matters. But that frees up professional serving military to move to the front lines where they are arguably needed.

• The key thing that this changes is this. The sure result of the referendums (for all 4 regions to become a part of the Russian Federation) will be formally and legally actioned on 30 September. That means that the Ukrainian military is no longer attacking Donbass, but is attacking and occupying Russia itself.

• That changes the legal framework of the SMO, as Russia will use any and all necessary means to protect their nation. It seems this move (though it must have been quietly prepared as a contingency some time ago) was not anticipated by NATO or the US, and of course the referendums have been decried throughout the western world as 'shams'. (And Zelensky, the 'protector of democracy' that he claims to be, has promised to imprison all Ukrainian citizens who dare to vote in the referendums.)

• How NATO will respond to this is unknown. And, of course, the situation may potentially escalate dangerously. But the gloves are fully off at last, and now Putin will be legally free to deploy (e.g.) the entire Russian air force, which is considerable — and maybe much more — to defend what will formally be Russian territory.

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