WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Mashika]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Hi Mashika
i read the articles.
have you even seen or heard of the movie Dr Strangelove?
should you get a chance to watch, I think it would be oddly amusing at this moment

i hope you are well
tp doug

Have not, but it is on my 'movies to watch some day in the hopefully not too far future"

Thanks! Hope you are doing well too

[Spiral]

This has been mentioned but this tg post has a bit more detail.



text, "Italian Newspaper La Repubblica reports (https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/202...sia-368180406/) that NATO has sent an intelligence warning to its allies which states the Russian K329 Belgorod nuclear submarine has been mobilized, located somewhere in the arctic sea, fearing the Submarine is looking to test the Status-6 “doomsday” nuclear superweapon.

The K329 is armed with the “superweapon” Status 6 - Poseidon oceanic multi-purpose system— also known as the “doomsday weapon”, The nuclear torpedos have an unlimited range and are impossible to track according to available information. The K329 also carries another “midget” submarine on its belly. "

[Rizotto]

Great piece by Caitlin Johnstone, who doesn't mince her words:

Fable of ‘Unprovoked’ War Blocks Peace
"As long as the fact this war was provoked remains unacknowledged by the side that provoked it, the sane path of detente will look like reckless appeasement and nuclear brinkmanship will look like sanity."

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/10/0...-blocks-peace/

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Hi Mashika
i read the articles.
have you even seen or heard of the movie Dr Strangelove?
should you get a chance to watch, I think it would be oddly amusing at this moment

i hope you are well
tp doug

Have not, but it is on my 'movies to watch some day in the hopefully not too far future"

OMG, how is that possible?

@everyone — I've just sent the movie to Mashika, with English, Russian and Spanish subtitles. It probably deserves a whole thread of its own, but it was one of Stanley Kubrick's greatest (and funniest) films, was probably how come he was asked to fake the Apollo moon landings (because of his pioneering use of front screen projection to show the B-52 flying over Siberia, which amazed everyone at the time), and has Peter Sellers, one of Britain's most celebrated comedians, playing 3 (three) roles.

https://we.tl/t-UZPKtiZjd9 (mp4, 604 Mb)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Heck yeh, you really must see this classic!

[mountain_jim]

well I posted this elsewhere recently but it seems to fit here now as well. (image from Dr Strangelove)

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/ReadovkaWorld/st...43811283910656

https://twitter.com/ReadovkaWorld/st...43817197907968

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.rt.com/russia/563960-dum...aties-donbass/

Russian State Duma ratifies accession treaties for Donbass, Kherson, and Zaporozhye

The State Duma has unanimously ratified the treaties on the accession of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, to the Russian Federation.

President Vladimir Putin submitted the documents regarding the four former Ukrainian territories to the lower house of parliament on Sunday. All four voted overwhelmingly in favor of joining Russia in referendums held between September 23 and 27.

Addressing legislators before the vote, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that accession will “serve the interests of all people of our multiethnic country.”

He added that Kiev had oppressed Russian-speaking people, which made the existence of certain territories within the Ukrainian state impossible.

State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin argued that accession to Russia is the only way to save the people living in the four former Ukrainian territories from shelling by Ukrainian troops. “The only way to end this is reunification [with Russia],” he said.

Long way home: How Ukraine lost control of regions that returned to Russia
Long way home: How Ukraine lost control of regions that returned to Russia
The accession treaties, which were signed by Putin on Friday, were then approved by the Russian Constitutional Court.

The next step in the accession process is ratification by the Federation Council, the upper house of Russia’s parliament.

The DPR and LPR broke off from Ukraine shortly after the 2014 coup in Kiev. Russia recognized them as independent states in February.

Ukraine’s southern Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions were seized by Russian troops during Moscow’s military operation in the neighboring country, which was launched on February 24. They declared independence in the wake of last week’s referendums and, along with the DPR and LPR, requested to be admitted into Russia.

Ukraine, along with Western countries, considers the vote illegal and refused to recognize the accession.


https://www.rt.com/business/563908-r...y-new-regions/

Ruble will become official currency in former Ukrainian regions

The Russian ruble is set to become the official currency for the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, the former Ukrainian territories that voted to join Russia in a referendum earlier this week.

According to the press service of Russia’s State Duma Committee on State Construction and Legislation, the Ukrainian hryvnia will be accepted for payments in the regions until December 31. However, starting January 1, the ruble will be the only currency accepted.

“The ruble will be the monetary unit on the territories of the new [Russian] regions. Until December 31, 2022, the Ukrainian hryvnia will be accepted for cash and non-cash payments. The Bank of Russia will be empowered to establish the specifics of credit and non-credit financial institutions operation,” the press service said in a statement on Sunday.

The DPR and LPR broke off from Kiev and had been de facto independent territories since 2014. Kherson and Zaporozhye declared independence from Ukraine earlier this year. All four territories voted in favor of joining Russia in referendums held between September 23 and 27.

READ MORE: Russia’s top court rules on accession of former Ukrainian regions
The Russian Constitutional Court ruled on Sunday that the treaties on the accession of the territories to Russia are in full accordance with the constitution, and the next step to make them part of Russia is for the documents to be ratified by both houses of the Russian parliament. The votes on this are expected to pass in the coming days.

[Ravenlocke]

[url]https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1576940484215377924

https://tass.com/politics/1517183?ut...m_social_share

State Duma passes laws on accepting DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions into Russia


According to the documents, the DPR and the LPR will retain their status as republics after joining Russia and Russian will be their official language

MOSCOW, October 3. /TASS/. The State Duma unanimously passed draft constitutional laws on accepting the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR, LPR), as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, into Russia in the first reading and in their entirety on Monday.

According to the laws, the residents of the new constituent entities are recognized as Russian citizens starting on September 30, the day the regions joined Russia, but they have a month to reject Russian citizenship. The documents specify that the residents of the new regions can acquire Russian citizenship by submitting applications and being sworn in as Russian citizens.

Territorial borders

According to the documents, the DPR and the LPR will retain their status as republics after joining Russia and Russian will be their official language. The Kherson and Zaporozhye regions will also join Russia as constituent entities and will continue to be called "regions." The borders of the republics and regions will be the same as those that "existed on the day of their creation and accession into Russia." International accords specify that their borders with other countries will be regarded as Russia’s state borders. At the same time, under the constitutional laws, the DPR and the LPR are joining Russia under the 2014 borders enshrined in their constitutions.

Transition period

A transition period will last between the day of the new regions’ accession to Russia until January 1, 2026. In particular, Russian citizens residing in the DPR, the LPR, the Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions will be guaranteed the right to work. In addition, documents on their education and civil status, as well as on their length of employment and the right to obtain pensions and social and medical aid, will be recognized. Branches of federal government agencies will be set up in the new republics and regions by June 1, 2023.

Currencies and budget

The Russian ruble will become the only currency used in the DPR, the LPR, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions on January 1, 2023, but the use of the Ukrainian hryvnia will be permitted until the end of 2022. Besides, the new constituent entities will implement Russia’s budget legislation on January 1, 2023, while their budgets will be approved by December 15, 2022.

On new Russian entities

On Sunday, Russian President Vladimir Putin submitted draft federal constitutional laws on accepting new entities into Russia to the State Duma. The Russian Constitutional Court later approved the documents.

Putin and the heads of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as well as of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, signed treaties on their accession to Russia at a Kremlin ceremony on September 30. The majority of their residents earlier voted to join Russia in referendums.

[Ravenlocke]

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/pol...357a6f4d0.html


Italy summons Russian ambassador, blasts 'sham' referenda
Rome considering more sanctions along with allies says Sequi

ANSA) - ROME, OCT 3 - Foreign Ministry Secretary General Ettore Sequi told a news conference on Monday that Italy condemns the "sham" referenda Russia held in areas of Ukraine occupied by its forces and will not recognize Moscow's declaration that it had annexed them after Russian Ambassador Sergey Razov was summoned to a meeting.
Sequi said the referenda were held "illegally and in violation of every international law.
"Italy does not recognize them nor the outcome," he added.
Sequi said Italy would remain in line with its allies and contemplate imposing more sanctions on Russia as a "peaceful instrument of pressure to put an end to the war of aggression".
(ANSA).

Some of the other European countries summoning Russia ambassadors over the referendums.

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...65303052849153

https://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/st...61026809151489

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...56954789457920

https://twitter.com/MFA_Austria/stat...91329606344704

https://twitter.com/Globalchange10/s...43034841681920

[Mike Gorman]

fake the moon landings? I will just ask you this one simple question: Do you think a man of the calibre, and integrity as Edgar Mitchell would be complicit in staging Apollo 14, and lying about going to the Moon, this man who did so much for breaking the NASA stranglehold on the UFO/alien narrative and who gave us such clarity and perspective? Even if you think the moon missions were dodgy, Edgar Mitchell would be incapable of deception, he spoke with the Roswell 'old timers'.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/stat...74394373783552

https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/stat...74399020728320

[Spiral]

[Spiral]

There has been talk of the US using a false flag tactical nuke in Ukraine, where they will claim the Russians used a nuke because they are losing to the Ukrainians, because the Ukrainians have thrown every thing they have inc a lot of NATO or ex NATO mercs in a last gasp attempt to make some inroads against the inevitable.

IMHO this is why we are now seeing this ;

Kremlin comments on Kadyrov’s call to use “low-yield nuclear weapons” in Ukraine

An article by the Russian state media TASS agency:

-> The heads of Russia’s regions have the right to express their own opinion, but even in the most dramatic moments emotions must not prevail, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.
He was speaking in response to a remark by Chechnya’s leader Ramzan Kadyrov to the effect that in the special operation in Ukraine "more drastic measures are needed, including the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons."
"The heads of Russia’s regions have the authority to express their point of view and to make assessments. After all, they are the heads of entire Russian regions, including Ramzan Kadyrov, who, as you know, has done a great deal from the very beginning of the special military operation and made a very big contribution to the campaign. And he continues doing so," Peskov said.
It is a totally different matter, he continued, that "even in the most difficult moments emotions should probably be excluded from any comments."

"We prefer to stick to very balanced and objective assessments," Peskov explained.
In response to the question whether the call for using nuclear weapons might be considered a manifestation of emotions, Peskov said: "We may use nuclear weapons on the basis of what is stated in the relevant doctrine."
"There can be no other considerations here," he stressed.
The Kremlin spokesman reiterated that Chechnya's merits in conducting the special military operation were "very great."
"The whole republic continues to make a very big contribution to the special military operation. Very heroically and effectively," he said.
According to the Russian nuclear doctrine (The Basic Principles of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence of 2020), the use of nuclear weapons by Russia is possible if the enemy uses this or other types of weapons of mass destruction against Russia and its allies, if reliable information is received about the launch of ballistic missiles for attacking Russia and its allies, in case of the enemy’s impact on facilities necessary for retaliatory measures by the nuclear forces, as well as in the event of aggression against Russia with conventional weapons that endanger the very existence of the state. <-

In a couple of days if we get past this danger there will be a huge influx of men & modern machinery after the regions that have declared independence gets ratified, or rather what has already got there will be deployed & there will be a huge turn around in the stalemate on the front.

[Mashika]

She's a liutenant on a motorized rifle division but handles a tank, she's probably on a mechanized subordinated tank regiment, i should have chosen one like that back then lol.

Always wanted to be tankista, handle the main gun and all that stuff Instead i ended up on a motorized rifle division only, handling mortar and kornet anti-tank launchers and doing recon ops. Dumb life choices.... lmao

But can't lie, feel a little envious when i see her on that tank

[Mashika]

WAR - AFTER THE LIMAN - BY Epoddubny - Sub by Eureka News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ElKJLGJnEc

He said about the defeat in Liman what he considered necessary to say. Both on the federal air and for the telegram. The program was recorded in Kremennaya. Take a look before bed.

I still consider it harmful to display emotions about failures in the public field. The constructive from this is zero, the enemy is a lollipop.

I am a war reporter for a country at war. And on this occasion, all I could, I wrote on February 24th.

And this applies specifically to failures and, specifically, emotions.

[TargeT]

Posted by Mashika (here)
She's a liutenant on a motorized rifle division but handles a tank, she's probably on a mechanized subordinated tank regiment, i should have chosen one like that back then lol.

Always wanted to be tankista, handle the main gun and all that stuff Instead i ended up on a motorized rifle division only, handling mortar and kornet anti-tank launchers and doing recon ops. Dumb life choices.... lmao

But can't lie, feel a little envious when i see her on that tank

Think you could handle the shells though? those things aren't small and in older tanks they don't have much in the way of an auto loader.

"feeling a little inadequate?" haha I always loved that scene

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mef757ZGUIU

I've been in a few tanks, but all US and UK (ours are so much better than the UK's, lol) and a few bradley's (cute marine "tanks"), but all of em but one were just parked, I did get to roll in an Abrams at a range... it was shocking how powerful those things are (and they are from the 80's!).

I mostly carried a laptop or radio, so you did better than me for the "fun" jobs. Did you just do the 2 years, what was your take on the moral / effort exerted from the mandatory service soldiers?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
fake the moon landings? I will just ask you this one simple question: Do you think a man of the calibre, and integrity as Edgar Mitchell would be complicit in staging Apollo 14, and lying about going to the Moon, this man who did so much for breaking the NASA stranglehold on the UFO/alien narrative and who gave us such clarity and perspective? Even if you think the moon missions were dodgy, Edgar Mitchell would be incapable of deception, he spoke with the Roswell 'old timers'.

My apologies. I was a little loose in my reference. I meant that Stanley Kubrick faked the published photos and videos of the moon landings. The Apollo missions did go to the moon, but something else happened there that was has never been made public.

Here's Jay Weidner, on Art Bell's radio show on 4 August 2015. He recounts how Edgar Mitchell consulted hypnotherapist Dr Robert Masters because he couldn't remember a thing about being on the moon.

This audio clip is highly recommended, concerning the Apollo astronauts' loss of memory. The person talking first is Stanton Friedman, who was also a guest on the show:

http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner...t_memories.mp3 (3 mins 20 seconds, 4 Mb)

Dr Masters was unable to help Mitchell, who passed away a few years ago still not remembering a thing about his Apollo mission.

This is as far off topic from Ukraine and Russia as one might imagine. The best thread to continue the discussion is Did we really go to the Moon? (And the briefest answer is yes, we did, but what really happened up there is still classified.)

[Mashika]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
She's a liutenant on a motorized rifle division but handles a tank, she's probably on a mechanized subordinated tank regiment, i should have chosen one like that back then lol.

Always wanted to be tankista, handle the main gun and all that stuff Instead i ended up on a motorized rifle division only, handling mortar and kornet anti-tank launchers and doing recon ops. Dumb life choices.... lmao

But can't lie, feel a little envious when i see her on that tank

Think you could handle the shells though? those things aren't small and in older tanks they don't have much in the way of an auto loader.

Sure i could, i handled 122 mortars and even a D30 for a couple months. And if you know about self propelled soviet cannons, those were not built with the safety of the gunner in mind, it throws the explosion back at you every single time, so you get hit 10, 20 times a day with a very powerful backlash, it drains your body and makes you sick and possibly even causes brain damage over time

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S6x3so6_rQA

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RtRR5ee3iSU

It is a monster, and when in close/hard combat, you don't get to be a snow flake and you don't get to use the cord to avoid the backlash, you stand there next to the gun as it shoots, receiving all the explosion back every single time so you can reach the max/minute rounds capacity. It hits your body hard

I heard that there are some places in teh US where you can go and shoot a D-30, like a fighting range. You should try it a few times

"feeling a little inadequate?" haha I always loved that scene

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mef757ZGUIU

In the US, i don't know how it works, but in Luhansk, or in Donbass in general, you fight or you die, and gender has nothing to do with the gun you handle, except for the high level howitzers like the pion and malka and so on, those are way too heavy to handle at max rate of fire for some random 16 year old kid, those require a full grown up with big arms just to reload a single shot, let's not even talk about reaching max fighting rate per minute lol

I've been in a few tanks, but all US and UK (ours are so much better than the UK's, lol) and a few bradley's (cute marine "tanks"), but all of em but one were just parked, I did get to roll in an Abrams at a range... it was shocking how powerful those things are (and they are from the 80's!).

I mostly carried a laptop or radio, so you did better than me for the "fun" jobs. Did you just do the 2 years, what was your take on the moral / effort exerted from the mandatory service soldiers?

For us it was very hard, there was mostly no sleeping, and the demand was way too high, like something you would expect from a 29 year old guy or something like that. But the situation didn't allow for less than that at that time

Mortars like 82mm and above, at full rate of fire, drain you badly in half an hour or so, but once you are there, you can't just ask for a timeout from the other side, you keep going or die. So it's crazy hard that way, no backup, no rotation at all sometimes for days, what to do? Day and night 'on call' is all we could do. That's why a lot deserted or died, or got injured because of lack of sleep and then lack of care or attention, it was kind of brutal to be honest, no modern official army would allow that. But we were not "official army", it was just "pro-russian separatists" and "rebels"

I was on the LPR army, not on the Russian army, we were not, never been part of Russia in any way, until now

Luhansk received little help from Russia, unlike Crimea and less than the DPR for sure, the close you go to the south, the more help they received, for the BGs in the north, help was received from the Donetsk side, so it kind of went like this

Russia Help -> Crimea -> Donetsk -> (whatever is left) Luhansk


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I've seen videos of US tanks in Syria and other places over there, looked very effective, for some reason i don't see many from the UK, i suppose, but don't want to say it straight out, that those are not very good in real combat... ups.. i said it... lmao

This is a very nice one, love how the tank stirs the nest with the machine gun, then the guys on the other side do the obvious thing (move around so they can be detected) and then they are gone lol

"Best Tank clip: M1A2 sep's firing 5 shots in iraq 1 of 2"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=b7F_Oif4SP8

[Mashika]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
She's a liutenant on a motorized rifle division but handles a tank, she's probably on a mechanized subordinated tank regiment, i should have chosen one like that back then lol.

Always wanted to be tankista, handle the main gun and all that stuff Instead i ended up on a motorized rifle division only, handling mortar and kornet anti-tank launchers and doing recon ops. Dumb life choices.... lmao

But can't lie, feel a little envious when i see her on that tank

Think you could handle the shells though? those things aren't small and in older tanks they don't have much in the way of an auto loader.

"feeling a little inadequate?" haha I always loved that scene

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mef757ZGUIU

I've been in a few tanks, but all US and UK (ours are so much better than the UK's, lol) and a few bradley's (cute marine "tanks"), but all of em but one were just parked, I did get to roll in an Abrams at a range... it was shocking how powerful those things are (and they are from the 80's!).

I mostly carried a laptop or radio, so you did better than me for the "fun" jobs. Did you just do the 2 years, what was your take on the moral / effort exerted from the mandatory service soldiers?

Here you go, it's fun and crazy, and you can't truly shoot it more than 20 or so times in a day or your brain will turn into jelly

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-dg1-7q6yzE