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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Reading more carefully, you should find that The Daily Beast, as a news aggregator, was only re-posting other sources, all of which I consider truthful.

    The Beast of course has never, to my knowledge, ever agreed with the Russian media's propaganda, so I understand your position completely, Bill.

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    https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/...46166223052800


    https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/...48465892868100
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    More Humanitarian aid mostly elderly recipients


    https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1580228273274900481
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    About Justin Turdeau sending millions $$$ to Ukraine and WEF (yes, he's done that too), I would like to say that as a Canadian I personally don't know anyone here in Canada who supports him. On the contrary, there is widespread anger and hatred against him. Turdeau's covax mandates, oppression of peaceful protesters, and obedience to other WEF edicts is the most disgusting thing that ever happened to Canada.

    Apparently, NATO is just another WEF/cabal tool. It's encouraging to see that there is a growing number of people in the west calling for the dismantling of NATO. It should have happened a few years ago when even Manuel Macron himself labelled NATO as 'brain dead', possibly the only time he ever said the truth.

    Too many countries in the 'west', including Canada, do not have representative democracy. We have been lured into voting for individuals who make promises, but once elected follow an agenda that the people never even knew about and don't agree with. We're stuck here in Canada, I've asked many times isn't there a process to remove the fraudster Turdeau from office asap. Apparently not.

    Okay, end of rant, but here's the real question: how do we restore democracy, is it even possible at this point? If there was real democracy in the west, there wouldn't even be a war in Europe right now.

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    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
    Certainly possible, given the Buk System's unreliability, as in this incident when the Russians fired on a target in Ukraine and the missile promptly turned back and destroyed its own launch system:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggnLvF6nDbQ

    It's also more likely that the missile was fired by Russian forces.

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    Last week, the empire's THAAD/Patriot missile system-thingy sold to South Korea had a massive mishap


    Mistaken to believe/insinuate only imperial regime-change targets like Russia have the faulty complex machinery. But understandable considering the goofy torrential propaganda from the empire of lies
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    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
    Reading more carefully, you should find that The Daily Beast, as a news aggregator, was only re-posting other sources, all of which I consider truthful.
    Much much better sources of accurate information! (This is only a very partial list)

    Websites with 24/7 updates:
    YouTube channels:
    NOT
    • The Daily Beast
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/s...89101426028546
    Yes, this is excellent and Scott is really angry here, justifiably so. He covers the same ground in his interview with Ania K,below.

    If anyone is interested in the history of Able Archer there's a well written piece here: https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...able-archer-83

    [Extracted]
    Beginning in the late 1960s, NATO ran annual military exercises in Europe designed to train its forces and test combat readiness. Under the auspices of NATO’s Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE), the exercises typically ran from September to November, and were thus known as Autumn Forge. In the year of the Able Archer war scare, Autumn Forge 83 was made up of six exercises involving approximately 100,000 troops. The largest was Reforger 83 (“REturn of U.S. FORces to GERmany”), in which NATO forces had to defend against the “Orange Pact” (the Warsaw Pact). The Reformer exercise alone involved the airlift of over 16,000 American troops to Europe.

    Autumn Forge always culminated with Able Archer, an exercise which tested the command and control procedures for both conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. SHAPE historian Gregory Pedlow described Able Archer as follows: “It was an annual Command Post Exercise (thus involving only headquarters, not troops on the ground) of NATO's Allied Command Europe (ACE), and it was designed to practise command and staff procedures, with particular emphasis on the transition from conventional to non-conventional operations, including the use of nuclear weapons.”
    -----------------

    The Russian Dead Hand AI outlined here:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...14-9?r=US&IR=T

    And another, here: https://www.quora.com/How-does-Russi...perimeter-work
    The people who know how it works in details have a top security clearance, and won’t share here for sure.

    From open sources it is known as a 15Э601 network, connecting the RVSN infrastructure and responsible for the automated counterstrike in the event of WWIII, in case if the national and military leadership responsible for the decision are AWOL or respond inadequately.

    The system is a set of algorythms vaguely close to that is called artifical intelligence nowadays.

    It is connected with thousands of sensors nationwide relaying multiple parameters.

    First would be the early warning radars, then satellites measuring the changing intensity of the electronic transmissions on frequencies used by the NATO militaries, other telemetry from the RVSN observation posts, electromagnetic and ionizing pulses in the population centers in combination with seismic pulses, even the presence of live people in the streets in various locations and personnel on military installations.

    Once the system based on the sequence of the above signals is assured that the strike took place, and there is no one in charge to retaliate, it takes over, evaluates the condition of the remaining assets and launches the remaining missiles in the way to inflict the maximal possible damage.

    It is not entirely ‘doomsday’. If the President leaves office for quite some time, he activates it manually, skipping certain signals required for the automatic activation.
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    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    About Justin Turdeau sending millions $$$ to Ukraine and WEF (yes, he's done that too), I would like to say that as a Canadian I personally don't know anyone here in Canada who supports him. On the contrary, there is widespread anger and hatred against him. Turdeau's covax mandates, oppression of peaceful protesters, and obedience to other WEF edicts is the most disgusting thing that ever happened to Canada.

    Apparently, NATO is just another WEF/cabal tool. It's encouraging to see that there is a growing number of people in the west calling for the dismantling of NATO. It should have happened a few years ago when even Manuel Macron himself labelled NATO as 'brain dead', possibly the only time he ever said the truth.

    Too many countries in the 'west', including Canada, do not have representative democracy. We have been lured into voting for individuals who make promises, but once elected follow an agenda that the people never even knew about and don't agree with. We're stuck here in Canada, I've asked many times isn't there a process to remove the fraudster Turdeau from office asap. Apparently not.

    Okay, end of rant, but here's the real question: how do we restore democracy, is it even possible at this point? If there was real democracy in the west, there wouldn't even be a war in Europe right now.
    It was an articulate rant, actually; no problem with that

    The same issue - we could call it gaslighting - befell Ukraine in 2019 with the run-off between Poroshenko and Zelensky, where Zelensky secured a 73% share of that vote to secure the Presidency, on the ticket to secure a peaceful solution to the situation in the Donbass.

    Well, we all know what happened next......

    When, in a heightened state of irritation, I describe Zelensky as a whining carpetbagger, I'd suggest that that is reasonably accurate and perhaps the kindest thing I could say about him:

    Carpetbagger (can mean): [An individual who runs for political office] perceived to be exploiting the local populace for their own financial, political, and/or social gain

    It seems to be endemic now in western (so-called) democracies.

    As to the solution? I'm still trying to figure that one out
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    15 seconds of Tucker Carlson vs Zelensky's endless demands.

    https://t.me/intelslava/39208



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    This is really VERY funny.

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    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)

    Okay, end of rant, but here's the real question: how do we restore democracy, is it even possible at this point? If there was real democracy in the west, there wouldn't even be a war in Europe right now.
    How do we restore Democracy? We all need to get as angry as these two men at the recent AOC town all meeting:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...-hall-n2614462
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    If anyone is interested in the history of Able Archer there's a well written piece here: https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...able-archer-83

    [Extracted]
    Beginning in the late 1960s, NATO ran annual military exercises in Europe designed to train its forces and test combat readiness. Under the auspices of NATO’s Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE), the exercises typically ran from September to November, and were thus known as Autumn Forge. In the year of the Able Archer war scare, Autumn Forge 83 was made up of six exercises involving approximately 100,000 troops. The largest was Reforger 83 (“REturn of U.S. FORces to GERmany”), in which NATO forces had to defend against the “Orange Pact” (the Warsaw Pact). The Reformer exercise alone involved the airlift of over 16,000 American troops to Europe.

    Autumn Forge always culminated with Able Archer, an exercise which tested the command and control procedures for both conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. SHAPE historian Gregory Pedlow described Able Archer as follows: “It was an annual Command Post Exercise (thus involving only headquarters, not troops on the ground) of NATO's Allied Command Europe (ACE), and it was designed to practise command and staff procedures, with particular emphasis on the transition from conventional to non-conventional operations, including the use of nuclear weapons.”
    -----------------
    QUICK UPDATE: From https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault...port-Released/ the NSA archives, linked below, the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) report -

    Washington D.C., October 24, 2015 – The newly released Soviet "War Scare" report - previously classified "TOP SECRET UMBRA GAMMA WNINTEL NOFORN NOCONTRACT ORCON" and published today after a 12-year fight by the National Security Archive – reveals that the 1983 War Scare was real. According to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), the United States "may have inadvertently placed our relations with the Soviet Union on a hair trigger" during the 1983 NATO nuclear release exercise, Able Archer 83.

    Policymakers, and now historians have had vehement disagreements about the War Scare, leading some to describe the debate as "an echo chamber of inadequate research and misguided analysis," and the CIA itself to downplay the danger in its 1984 review. This newly declassified PFIAB document, however, provides the strongest evidence to date that the danger of the War Scare was real, as the only study written with access to all US intelligence files on US/NATO actions and the Soviet response in the fall of 1983.

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault...12-0238-MR.pdf
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    https://tass.com/politics/1522897

    Russian army holds back Ukrainian army’s attacks in Kherson — United Russia

    As Andrey Turchak said, it is important for the population to leave the Kherson Region for a while
    MOSCOW, October 14. /TASS/. Russian troops continue to hold back attempts by Ukraine’s armed forces to break through the defenses on the right bank in Kherson. There is a risk the territory may be flooded, the first deputy speaker of the Federation Council, secretary of the United Russia party’s General Council Andrey Turchak, said on Friday.

    "Evacuation from the Kherson Region to our other regions is necessary in order to ensure maximum safety for our people. Our forces on the right bank in Kherson continue to hold back attempts by Ukraine’s armed forces to break through the defenses. There is also a risk the territory may be flooded," Turchak wrote in his Telegram channel.

    "It is important for the population to leave the Kherson Region for a while. So that our troops can fight the Ukrainian neo-Nazis at full strength and eliminate them while avoiding civilian casualties," he added.

    Turchak stressed that the United Russia’s humanitarian mission volunteers in the Kherson Region would help the local residents move to other regions of Russia, where they will be provided with temporary housing and jobs.

    "At the moment, a group of our State Duma members has already arrived in the region. They have been operating in Donbass since the very first days of the special military operation. They will help the residents with logistics and address other technical issues," Turchak wrote.

    Earlier, the Kherson Region’s deputy governor, Kirill Stremousov, said that Kiev had plans for damaging the Kakhovka dam in order to flood part of the Kherson Region. Should the dam be blown up, the Ukrainian forces would try to cross the Dnieper and approach Kherson. Stremousov said the region’s authorities were recommending the local population to agree to move to other regions of Russia to give the army more room for maneuver while cleaning up the territory of Ukrainian forces.

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    This is really VERY funny.

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    Astonishing.

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    Putin explains why there are no peace talks with Ukraine

    Ukraine is refusing to engage in peace talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin told journalists on Friday, when asked about possible negotiations to end the conflict between the two countries.

    The Kiev government “had been saying that they wanted talks and ostensibly asked for them, but now they issued a formal decision that prohibits them,” he said during a press conference in Astana, Kazakhstan.

    Putin recalled that Russia and Ukraine reached a preliminary agreement which could have the halted hostilities, during Turkey-mediated talks in late March.

    “Those agreements were almost initialled. But as soon as the troops were pulled back from Kiev, the leadership in Kiev lost all desire to have talks,” he remarked.

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced a withdrawal of troops from the Ukrainian capital after news broke that the negotiators in Istanbul had agreed on a draft treaty. Under its terms, Ukraine would have pledged to maintain a neutral status and not allow foreign troops and military installations on its soil, in exchange for security guarantees from foreign nations, including Russia.

    Türkiye comments on Ukraine peace prospects
    Türkiye comments on Ukraine peace prospects
    Days later, President Vladimir Zelensky accused Russian troops of committing war crimes, claiming that evidence was discovered in Bucha, one of the towns near Kiev that the Russian army had left. He declared that the Ukrainian people would not allow him to negotiate with Russia after the discovery. Moscow claimed that the evidence was fabricated to justify breaking off the talks.

    According to Russian diplomats, Moscow wrote up a formal peace agreement based on Ukrainian proposals and sent it to Kiev, but never heard anything back.

    According to Ukrainian media reports in May, Zelensky was pressured into breaking off negotiations with Russia by Boris Johnson, then-prime minister of Britain. Johnson arrived in Kiev, “almost without warning” on April 9. He allegedly told the Ukrainian leader that Western nations would refuse to sign up to the security guarantees that Kiev wanted to receive under the proposed peace treaty.
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