WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)
I remember posting some time ago on this same thread, about how we had to sleep back to back and under a single shirt so that our bare skins would touch and keep the heat among us, because otherwise we would freeze to death through the night out there in the fields. So we would remove our shirts, then back to back to ensure all body heat was shared and then put on bigger shirt to cover both persons and then above that all other stuff i we could manage an if there was one available do this inside a sleeping bag, otherwise you die, so yes, no complaining about it, it's the only option

It is no joke, that's very real and the suffering is beyond what i wish most people to go through

Masha shared this story in her post #2768, back on 13 May. I'll copy the entire thing here, and I'd very much appreciate it if everyone might spend a couple of minutes reading it all.

It's worth it.

~~~

And you know, when i was out there, we were deep in the fields and it made it impossible to go get food, so we had to hunt or find something to eat every day, and the only point where we new to get rations was kilometers away, and we could not make it at all because being very tired or possibly getting killed on the way. when you carry a rifle it hurts your shoulder after a while, it also makes your hand very tired, and you also need to carry lots of stuff and you are a kid, you can't handle a big pack meant for an adult in the same way, but you have to, so it kills you minute by minute until you can't walk anymore and fall back

And then you have to eat something, and finding a few apples or anything like a potato garden or carrots so becomes a treasure, and you have hope and eat it slowly so to make it last for long, because you don't know when the next time will be. Then you try to sleep very hidden away, behind a tree and you don't put fire to heat yourself because then you'll be found, so you better be used to the dark and the cold, and sleep with one eye open, listen for any out of place noise, and only rest for 2/3 hours or you may be captured

It works best if you sleep back to back with someone else, and then use a shirt to cover both of you, so that your skin touched on the back and heats you through sharing body heat through the night. That's a good tip to survive out there like that, otherwise if you sleep apart and alone from the others you may not make it because the cold will freeze you to death through the night, but if you do sleep sharing a sleeping bag and back to back like that, then you may be able to make it through

And like an idiot you dream that you are home and sometimes we did cry while sleeping, it was easy to notice, you cry because as a kid you dream you are home and your mom or dad is there and you are eating nice things or sitting there with them and imaginary things like that, and you feel protected and warm, but it's a fantasy. It's just you trying to keep yourself alive and with hope, that's all that means

One odd thing about those dreams is, that you dream you are home and eating nice stuff and you pick the stuff up and eating, but there is no flavor at all It's not real, but you don't care, because the thing that you care about is that you are home and safe, and warm

That's how war is in the end, honestly, just a bunch of dumb people longing to be home and feel safe, and becoming little kids inside while seeing their friends go missing day by day and only thinking "maybe i'll be the one missing tomorrow" and remembering the good things we had back home just not long ago

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
I remember posting some time ago on this same thread, about how we had to sleep back to back and under a single shirt so that our bare skins would touch and keep the heat among us, because otherwise we would freeze to death through the night out there in the fields. So we would remove our shirts, then back to back to ensure all body heat was shared and then put on bigger shirt to cover both persons and then above that all other stuff i we could manage an if there was one available do this inside a sleeping bag, otherwise you die, so yes, no complaining about it, it's the only option

It is no joke, that's very real and the suffering is beyond what i wish most people to go through

Masha shared this story in her post #2768, back on 13 May. I'll copy the entire thing here, and I'd very much appreciate it if everyone might spend a couple of minutes reading it all.

It's worth it.

~~~

And you know, when i was out there, we were deep in the fields and it made it impossible to go get food, so we had to hunt or find something to eat every day, and the only point where we new to get rations was kilometers away, and we could not make it at all because being very tired or possibly getting killed on the way. when you carry a rifle it hurts your shoulder after a while, it also makes your hand very tired, and you also need to carry lots of stuff and you are a kid, you can't handle a big pack meant for an adult in the same way, but you have to, so it kills you minute by minute until you can't walk anymore and fall back

And then you have to eat something, and finding a few apples or anything like a potato garden or carrots so becomes a treasure, and you have hope and eat it slowly so to make it last for long, because you don't know when the next time will be. Then you try to sleep very hidden away, behind a tree and you don't put fire to heat yourself because then you'll be found, so you better be used to the dark and the cold, and sleep with one eye open, listen for any out of place noise, and only rest for 2/3 hours or you may be captured

It works best if you sleep back to back with someone else, and then use a shirt to cover both of you, so that your skin touched on the back and heats you through sharing body heat through the night. That's a good tip to survive out there like that, otherwise if you sleep apart and alone from the others you may not make it because the cold will freeze you to death through the night, but if you do sleep sharing a sleeping bag and back to back like that, then you may be able to make it through

And like an idiot you dream that you are home and sometimes we did cry while sleeping, it was easy to notice, you cry because as a kid you dream you are home and your mom or dad is there and you are eating nice things or sitting there with them and imaginary things like that, and you feel protected and warm, but it's a fantasy. It's just you trying to keep yourself alive and with hope, that's all that means

One odd thing about those dreams is, that you dream you are home and eating nice stuff and you pick the stuff up and eating, but there is no flavor at all It's not real, but you don't care, because the thing that you care about is that you are home and safe, and warm

That's how war is in the end, honestly, just a bunch of dumb people longing to be home and feel safe, and becoming little kids inside while seeing their friends go missing day by day and only thinking "maybe i'll be the one missing tomorrow" and remembering the good things we had back home just not long ago

Still better than sleeping like spoons on a drawer at some very high mountain cave with impossible to survive temperatures and altitude...

[Tintin]

Poland’s state bank pays $2 million to US media and influencers for supporting Ukraine

By Military Monitoring (shared by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva)

Source: https://militarymonitoring.com/polan...rt-to-ukraine/

Poland has hired two US PR companies to pay journalists and influencers for a pro-Ukraine campaign in the West. According to the official statement, Poland’s state bank has hired MikeWorldWide and AMW PR for “a global campaign to inform the general public about the impact of Russia’s war in Ukraine”.

At the end of September, the PR company MikeWorldWide, headed by Michael W. Kempner, who, according to media reports, is linked to the Democratic Party, was tasked with boosting the Western support to Ukraine.

The primary objective “is to raise awareness among at least 50 million people of the actual dimension of the war in Ukraine and the scale of the damages,” according to MikeWorldWide’s services agreement with Bank Gospodarstwa Krajowego.

Poland’s national bank has budgeted $3 million for the campaign. Of that amount, the company’s fee and out-of-pocket expenses are capped at $500,000 each.

Spending for paid media channels (e.g., ads on Facebook, Twitter, NPR, USA Today, Spotify, Vox) is set at $1 million if the campaign reaches an audience of 40 million people.

Another $1 million goes for influencers as long as 10 million people are reached.

Further more, in November Poland’s state bank hired AMW PR, a top New York-based media relations company, to “pitch the refugee and humanitarian crisis brought on by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.”

AMW is to work with US and Canadian journalists, producers, bloggers, and podcasters under a six-month $150,000 contract with Bank Gospodarstwa Krajowego.

[Tintin]

Source: https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10081

Text:

Memorial to beloved Gorlovka commander, Olga Kachura (https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/17093), killed August 3, 2022.

On August 4, while a funeral/farewell service for her was being held, Ukrainian forces bombed central Donetsk targeting the funeral and continuing shelling (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8001) the very city centre, killing 6 civilians, including an 11 year old rising star ballerina (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8079), her grandmother and her ballet teacher.

This is the Ukrainian terrorism (since 2014) which people like Olga were fighting, for the safety and future of the people of the Donbass.

Video of the memorial unveiling in Donetsk City 'Alley of Heroes'

Source: https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10082

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
I remember posting some time ago on this same thread, about how we had to sleep back to back and under a single shirt so that our bare skins would touch and keep the heat among us, because otherwise we would freeze to death through the night out there in the fields. So we would remove our shirts, then back to back to ensure all body heat was shared and then put on bigger shirt to cover both persons and then above that all other stuff i we could manage an if there was one available do this inside a sleeping bag, otherwise you die, so yes, no complaining about it, it's the only option

It is no joke, that's very real and the suffering is beyond what i wish most people to go through

Masha shared this story in her post #2768, back on 13 May. I'll copy the entire thing here, and I'd very much appreciate it if everyone might spend a couple of minutes reading it all.

It's worth it.

~~~

And you know, when i was out there, we were deep in the fields and it made it impossible to go get food, so we had to hunt or find something to eat every day, and the only point where we new to get rations was kilometers away, and we could not make it at all because being very tired or possibly getting killed on the way. when you carry a rifle it hurts your shoulder after a while, it also makes your hand very tired, and you also need to carry lots of stuff and you are a kid, you can't handle a big pack meant for an adult in the same way, but you have to, so it kills you minute by minute until you can't walk anymore and fall back

And then you have to eat something, and finding a few apples or anything like a potato garden or carrots so becomes a treasure, and you have hope and eat it slowly so to make it last for long, because you don't know when the next time will be. Then you try to sleep very hidden away, behind a tree and you don't put fire to heat yourself because then you'll be found, so you better be used to the dark and the cold, and sleep with one eye open, listen for any out of place noise, and only rest for 2/3 hours or you may be captured

It works best if you sleep back to back with someone else, and then use a shirt to cover both of you, so that your skin touched on the back and heats you through sharing body heat through the night. That's a good tip to survive out there like that, otherwise if you sleep apart and alone from the others you may not make it because the cold will freeze you to death through the night, but if you do sleep sharing a sleeping bag and back to back like that, then you may be able to make it through

And like an idiot you dream that you are home and sometimes we did cry while sleeping, it was easy to notice, you cry because as a kid you dream you are home and your mom or dad is there and you are eating nice things or sitting there with them and imaginary things like that, and you feel protected and warm, but it's a fantasy. It's just you trying to keep yourself alive and with hope, that's all that means

One odd thing about those dreams is, that you dream you are home and eating nice stuff and you pick the stuff up and eating, but there is no flavor at all It's not real, but you don't care, because the thing that you care about is that you are home and safe, and warm

That's how war is in the end, honestly, just a bunch of dumb people longing to be home and feel safe, and becoming little kids inside while seeing their friends go missing day by day and only thinking "maybe i'll be the one missing tomorrow" and remembering the good things we had back home just not long ago

Still better than sleeping like spoons on a drawer at some very high mountain cave with impossible to survive temperatures and altitude...

The following is way way off-topic on this very serious thread. But by way of explanation, and a tiny bit of needed levity, Masha's post was a private in-joke which I thought I might explain.

After Masha's very poignant original post, I'd emailed her about a very slightly similar experience I'd had on a high mountain once where my friend Jim and I had found ourselves stranded for a long freezing night without any equipment at all. We survived just fine, like the two spoons Masha referred to. And we never even had any carrots or potatoes, either.

And a more serious point, equally off-topic, but interesting. In this post I told how a group of 14 ski-mountaineers had also become stranded overnight in a terrible Alpine storm. But for reasons I will never understand, they all separated to try to see the night through alone — and half of them died.

Sometimes, cuddling closely together is the much better plan — even if in my case my cuddle-mate (unfortunately!! ) was my bearded male buddy.

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
After Masha's very poignant original post, I'd emailed her about a very slightly similar experience I'd had on a high mountain once where my friend Jim and I had found ourselves stranded for a long freezing night without any equipment at all. We survived just fine, like the two spoons Masha referred to. And we never even had any carrots or potatoes, either.

And a more serious point, equally off-topic, but interesting. In this post I told how a group of 14 ski-mountaineers had also become stranded overnight in a terrible Alpine storm. But for reasons I will never understand, they all separated to try to see the night through alone — and half of them died.

Sometimes, cuddling closely together is the much better plan — even if in my case my cuddle-mate (unfortunately!! ) was my bearded male buddy.

Sorry Sometimes things get very dark (no pun intended about Ukraine) and i believe that if it starts going into that direction a bit of fun is not bad to lighten up the mood a bit

Otherwise the darkness engulfs and i think i already went through that at least a couple times on this thread in the past, when the videos of soldiers lacking equipment came up online and they died due to that, and in at least another case i can't remember well but also involving unnecessary deaths in a similar way

even if in my case my cuddle-mate (unfortunately!! ) was my bearded male buddy.

[Mashika]

Something i think would help to understand things a bit better

As a soldier, you get to see a lot of stuff that you wish you never had seen, and then some more and then even get to be on the other side of it, in which you are the one being looked at by others who wish they had never seen or been through that situation, so sometimes you are looking at a head lying there on its own and then you need to realize that at some point it may be your head the one other people will be looking at in horror and pain

So soldiers tend to joke and have dark humor, it's the only thing that keeps you a bit more sane and alive every day

So even after being in between the craziness, you find time to joke about things or make them less critical or important. Because deep inside you, after a battle or a shelling session against your position, there's deep inside you a sense of 'thank god i made it' and you are glad you didn't explode in a thousand pieces, even if you can clearly see your friend is all over the place. You still know that you are glad you survived and in between that you remain in shock and alert like a rabid animal watching for any other danger that may come

We had some dumb jokes, dark and dumb but that's what you get when you have to find something to clear your mind or to avoid being 'serious'. In my experience the people who are always too serious about things have not lived through much, because otherwise they would understand this

- Spontaneous soldier combustion: Incendiary bomb got the guy, he burned alive while running away
- Spontaneous soldier sublimation: Ever seen what happens to a BMP or an ACP or BTR when hit by a D-20 in close range? Not even a single small piece of the soldiers inside the IFV can be found, they sublimate
- Boots on the ground: Ever seen those cartoons where a bomb explodes and the shoes remain standing even if the guy wearing them is completely gone? That's actually true when a 152 mm shell hits your position at close range, the boots always survive but the person vanishes, so 'boots on the ground' lmao. Sometimes the foot of the person is inside the boot, but nothing else remains, only the pair of boots lying there

So how do you handle that? You have to make a bit light fun of it or you will go crazy (more than a healthy person can deal with)

So yeah, i may be 'immature' (i have been called that before) because of dumb jokes or bullying i do or similar, but there's a reason for it. I'm crazy but not in the bad way lol

[kfm27917]

The red line: Biden and Xi's secret Ukraine talks revealed
Owen Matthews
The Spectator
Sat, 26 Nov 2022 00:00 UTC
BidenXi
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The Red Line
Since the beginning of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, China has played a decisive - though publicly low-profile - role in strategic decision-making in both Washington and Moscow. As I report for the first time in my new book Overreach, it was a back-channel intervention approved by Beijing that caused the US to scupper a deal for the Poles to provide Soviet-made MiG-29 jets to the Ukrainian Air Force back in March. And since September a flurry of personal diplomacy by Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi with NATO and the US has led to a rare moment of public agreement over Russia, when Xi Jinping said that the world 'needs to prevent a nuclear crisis on the Eurasian continent' in a meeting with Joe Biden at the G20 summit in Bali.

Throughout the war, China's true position on the Russia-Ukraine conflict has been hard to pin down - not least because Beijing has been telling both sides what they want to hear. In March, Wang implicitly appeared to be blaming the US for 'stoking tensions' and 'sowing discord' with Russia. Last month he told his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, that 'China will also firmly support the Russian side, under the leadership of President Putin, to unite and lead the Russian people', according to state broadcaster CCTV. Wang also promised that 'China is willing to deepen contacts with the Russian side at all levels'. Yet in September, on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly, Wang had told NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that China 'stays open-minded to dialogues and exchanges with NATO and is willing to jointly promote the sound and steady development of bilateral relations ... in the spirit of honesty and mutual respect'.

So whose side is Beijing really on? The reality is that China has consistently backed only one side - its own. But the illusion of Chinese support was one of the many miscalculations that led Vladimir Putin down the road to war. At a summit in Beijing on 4 February this year, Xi and Putin announced a 'friendship without limits' with 'no forbidden areas' of cooperation. Both leaders declared the new level of Sino-Russian strategic partnership 'superior' to the alliances of the Cold War era. Beijing was aware of Russia's plans for a military operation, according to a source with longstanding close ties to the top levels of China's political and military leadership. But the Russians presented the coming military operation as a 'limited operation to recover a lost Russian province [and] reunite Russia within historical boundaries'. That narrative fitted China's own over Taiwan - though it was made clear that the Russian operation must not interfere with the Beijing Winter Olympics, which ended on 20 February - four days before Putin's invasion.

Most importantly, in a confidential annexe to the 'friendship without limits' was a mutual security guarantee that Russia had sought from China for decades but hitherto been unable to obtain, said the source. Like NATO's Article 5 - that an attack on one member is an attack on all - Beijing and Moscow pledged to come to each other's aid militarily in the case of a foreign invasion of their territory and if special conditions were satisfied concerning the cause of such an invasion. That extremely canny and prescient proviso, inserted at Chinese insistence, would effectively exclude territories recently annexed during wartime, thus releasing Beijing from any commitment to respond to attacks on annexed territories in Ukraine.

The scale of Russia's military operation - in particular the closely held secret of the blitzkrieg attack on Kyiv, of which even Lavrov was unaware as late as 21 February - took Beijing by surprise. Though the Chinese officially supported Putin diplomatically, blaming NATO for provoking the conflict, there was deep (and entirely well-founded) concern that Putin had overreached and would provoke the West into a united front that a limited operation in Donbas would have avoided. Putin's threat of nuclear escalation on 27 February alarmed the world, including the Chinese. A key priority for Beijing was for the Russo-NATO confrontation to 'avoid any nuclear escalation and to help in reaching a ceasefire', said the source, who has regular personal contact with the leaders of the People's Liberation Army (PLA). Now Putin had - recklessly in Chinese eyes - played his most dangerous card right at the beginning of the conflict.

So when, a few days later, a further escalation threatened in the form of an offer by the Polish government to supply Ukraine with its entire fleet of Soviet-era MiG-29 fighters, the Chinese grew concerned. In truth, there was little likelihood of the Polish MiGs making much difference on the battlefield. Poland's 26 to 33 MiG-29s had been made in the early 1980s for the East German Air Force and had been sold to Warsaw for the symbolic sum of €1 each in 2003. Romania, which owned 20 similar MiG-29 jets, had decommissioned them many years ago. Nonetheless, a NATO country providing fighter jets of any kind to Kyiv represented an important symbolic, if not necessarily operationally significant, step towards direct NATO involvement in the conflict. Initially, Washington was positive. But a day later, on 8 March, the Pentagon abruptly reversed its position, pronouncing Poland's proposal 'not tenable'.

What changed Washington's mind? In part, it was an urgent and confidential back-channel initiative led by the UK-based Institute for East West Strategic Studies involving former European leaders and senior officials, and ultimately endorsed by the Chinese leadership. Ever since Putin's 27 February declaration on nuclear readiness, the PLA had also been reaching out through military-to-military (as opposed to diplomatic or political) channels to senior Russian general officers with whom they had made personal contact over years of joint military exercises and military procurement talks. Beijing's aim was to ensure that even if there were a political decision to use nukes, the Russian army would insist on sticking to its long-standing nuclear military doctrine to use them solely if provoked by attacks on Russian soil. Through these unofficial 'track two' contacts, Washington and the PLA agreed - unusually, given a deterioration in relations during the Donald Trump presidency - that if the US stopped the MiG deal, Beijing's generals would do their best to defuse Putin's nuclear threat on an operational level. 'It worked,' said the Chinese source. 'The [US] decided that supplying aircraft was a step too far.'

Though this back-channel initiative of early March has not been previously reported, the fact that the US retained a fundamentally cautious attitude to supplying strategic weapons to Ukraine throughout the war effectively confirms that Washington, remained deeply aware of Chinese concerns, which were shared with many of the largest nations in the European Union. Despite a dramatic escalation in supplies of money and military hardware - including NATO-standard 155mm artillery capable of firing guided shells and the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System - NATO has held back on providing attack aircraft, helicopters, Nato-standard tanks, long-range battlefield missile and cruise missile systems.

At the same time, Chinese backing for Moscow remained equally cautious. Beijing offered diplomatic and informational support - but excluded significant military cooperation, forcing the Russians to buy drones from Iran, cannibalise domestic appliances for computer chips and attempt to buy back helicopters, missiles and missile defence systems from its military customers around the developing world. The threat of US sanctions on their global operations caused many leading Chinese banks such as ICBC, the New Development Bank and the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank to withdraw credit and financing from Russia. Chinese energy giants such as Sinochem also suspended all Russian investments and joint ventures. In August, UnionPay - the Chinese equivalent of Visa and Mastercard - also ceased its cooperation with Russian banks, citing sanctions. The material motivation for Beijing's corporations to pull out of Russia was clear: before the war China did $100 billion in trade with Russia (rising by a projected $30 billion this year thanks to increased oil imports) but more than $1.5 trillion with the US and EU.

With Biden and Xi's joint condemnation of the threat of nukes at Bali earlier this month, the so-called 'track two' understandings of March have become a 'track one' public policy. Thanks to Wang's shuttle diplomacy, NATO and China have effectively aligned on not escalating the Ukraine-Russia conflict, according to the Chinese source. Over a series of meetings with NATO leadership since early September, Wang pledged to use China's considerable leverage in Moscow to dissuade Putin from using nukes, while in return NATO has affirmed that they would not provide strategic weapons to Ukraine.

At the Bali summit Xi (backed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi) publicly called for a 'return to diplomacy and stressing the urgency in finding a peaceful resolution'. That's a position yet to be officially embraced by NATO, which insists that the Ukrainians will decide when to come to the negotiating table. But many senior voices in NATO - for instance the US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff Mark Milley and France's Emmanuel Macron - have independently suggested that Kyiv should prepare for peace talks. And China's security guarantees of Russia's pre-invasion borders made back in February could play an important role in building a face-saving off-ramp for the Kremlin as a counter to NATO's likely security guarantees for Ukraine.

China's price for its peacemaking? Beijing hopes to improve relations with NATO and Europe and bring an end to a bloody and futile war that its ally Putin began so recklessly. In Ukraine, China is, in the words of the source, 'ultimately positioning herself as our last hope for peace in this world'. The Ukrainians, who will likely be asked to sacrifice land for peace, may disagree.
About the Author:
Owen Matthews writes about Russia for The Spectator. His latest book Overreach, a history of the origins of the Russo-Ukrainian war, will be published by HarperCollins in November

Comment: From a US perspective, China is playing everyone. From a strategic perspective, it is a balance that offers the most positive options and the least alienation...a concept with which the US is decidedly unfamiliar. And, unlike Western leadership, Putin is no dummy.
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[Ravenlocke]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Source: https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10081

Text:

Memorial to beloved Gorlovka commander, Olga Kachura (https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/17093), killed August 3, 2022.

On August 4, while a funeral/farewell service for her was being held, Ukrainian forces bombed central Donetsk targeting the funeral and continuing shelling (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8001) the very city centre, killing 6 civilians, including an 11 year old rising star ballerina (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8079), her grandmother and her ballet teacher.

This is the Ukrainian terrorism (since 2014) which people like Olga were fighting, for the safety and future of the people of the Donbass.

Video of the memorial unveiling in Donetsk City 'Alley of Heroes'

Source: https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10082

https://twitter.com/Daark_web/status...94687535243264

[Mashika]

Here's an example of Spontaneous Soldier Sublimation

Let's remember that there were people inside that BMP, and they are gone, and not just 'gone' as in dead, they are gone spiritually and physically from this world

+ Sr, we took the BPM out
- Any survivors?
+ No sr
- Body count?
+ Zero, sr
- ... SSS?
+ Yes sr

Only the logs on the other side will know the names and who was there on that BMP, there's nothing to send back to their families otherwise, only a letter or call to explain that they won't have a funeral because there's nothing to bury

There was no dramatic fight, or tank battle with shells and bullets flying all over the place and random explosions of mortar shells falling around, it was just there one second, and if you look at the end of the video, it wasn't there at all after it got hit, and that's all there is to it

Spontaneous Soldier Sublimation

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v0HMhqHEPoo

[Ravenlocke]

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[Tintin]

An interesting 25 minute film behind the scenes with the 'Wagner' PMC.

Wagner PMC: Contract with the Motherland

Source: Avalon Library

[loungelizard]

Posted by Mashika (here)

Posted by loungelizard (here)

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/sta...77892650733569

Let's look at the reality ...

Regarding the children whose lives have been ripped apart by in this horrendous war:
the UN has said claims that thousands of children have been removed from Ukraine
to Russia for adoption as part of larger-scale forced relocations and deportations are credible.

Under the Fourth Geneva Convention, the personal status of children, including their nationality,
is prohibited.

In May, Putin signed a decree making it easier for Russia to adopt and give citizenship
to Ukrainian children without parental care. It also made it harder for Ukraine and surviving
relatives to win them back.

Under the 1948 Genocide Convention, the forced mass deportation of people -- and, in particular,
the forcible transfer of children -- during a conflict is designated as a war crime.

“There have been credible allegations of forced transfers of unaccompanied children to Russian
-occupied territory, or to the Russian Federation itself,” Ilze Brands Kehris, the assistant UN secretary-general
for human rights, told the Security Council.

General Iryna Venediktova, prosecutor, said that the number of children forcibly transferred to Russia is
currently unknown, but is thought to be over 200,000. Evidence of such action would meet the rigorous legal
definition of genocide: the forced displacement of minors in Russia is part of a ‘Russification’ plan to erase
the Ukrainian identity and nation.

The reality is that those claims are just that, 'claims'

It's funny how people fall for this strategy of self reference. Can you find a link to the actual UN document where this is expressed as a fact? A claim is nothing more than that, a claim

You didn't provide a link to where you read this, and looking it up i see a lot of websites basically just copy/pasting the exact same words, an obvious signal that this is more media narrative pushing

Also if you go to a site like this

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukrai...0-000-children

Then you can see that they also do not have a link to anything official from the UN, it turns out that after following all the links on those articles, they are self-referencing, one link leads to another page on the same site that has more claims and links that also lead to pages/articles on that same site, you never get to the source

But after looking around, do you know what the "credible claims" source turned out to be? A video call where Elensky made that claim, with no evidence at all lmao

So it's all a lot of circling around with links to more 'evidence' and more claims that never produce any evidence of anything but they carefully avoid mentioning that the only source of these claims is something Elensky said on a video call! Talk about corrupt media narratives

And by the way, the worse thing is not that, the worse thing is that Elensky had no evidence of anything himself, and the 200,000 children number he mentioned, actually came from a public report by Russia!

So, Elensky read a report by Russia where they said that around 240,000 kids have been evacuated from the war zone, then he went to make his video call and used that number to claim genocide, then the Nazi friendly UN officials picked up this claim from Elensky and called it 'credible' because of course, and then the monkeys started typing and posting on the web and so on

Russia -> Elensky -> Video call -> UN -> Corrupt Mediocre Media -> People who eat it up

The UN has made no research or any kind of investigation on those claims so far, they only opened a case for it, and then Russia provided some documentation and evidence of what happened to those kids, and that information has not been made public yet by the UN, they also have not reported in the same way as they did with the 'credible claim'. That's very irresponsible and leads to people posting things like what you did there, it makes it look like there's already a verdict by the UN, a lot of people will just assume there is one because they don't know any better, see?

A responsible organization that is not playing around would avoid doing partial reports like that one, or make sure at least that it is made very clear that those claims have not been validated at all and that no investigation has occurred


But nope

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Perhaps you should be questioning why the UN makes misleading statements like this, or why the media you read is trying to mislead you with fake/partial information

Oh and check this one
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...rred-to-russia

United States Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield told the meeting that estimates from a variety of sources, including the Russian government, indicate that Russian authorities have interrogated, detained and forcibly deported between 900,000 and 1.6 million Ukrainians.

"a variety of sources" she said, such as.... or are those 'anonymous sources' lol

Why can't she be honest and say that they just picked up the data from a report published by Russia about war refugees? How dishonest and lacking of morals/ethics, honestly

And then check the links on that article, it's once again self-reference, the links point to other articles/pages on the same site 'aljazeera'

The UN under-secretary-general for political affairs, Rosemary DiCarlo, said the reports of forced transfer of Ukrainians by Russian forces “must be investigated”.

See? It's pure BS, no investigation has happened at all, so these 'credible claims' are pure BS. There has been no real evidence provided, and the claim that Russia doesn't allow the UN to go into Donbass is also pure BS, they had been there and were able to do anything they wanted for years, and they did nothing. No one is stopping them from going, it's actually Ukraine who for example forbade the Red Cross from going into Donbass, and there's is plenty of evidence that the UN helped the Azov and other groups instead of doing their work to document the crimes committed by Ukraine over the past 9 years

If the people move to other countries in the middle east or any other place, they are refugees, including the kids sent over to the UK that are sexually abused or vanish forever. If they go to Russia, they are filtrated and it's genocide

I don't know why you are not bothered that these people are playing with your mind and plainly lying to you, without any shame. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Sorry - I missed your reply (it was buried under a pile of tweets )

Posted by Mashika (here)
Can you find a link to the actual UN document where this is expressed as a fact?

Strawman - no one claims it to be fact. I went back to re-read my post and it made it perfectly clear that the allegations are “credible”. That’s all.

Posted by Mashika (here)
The UN has made no research or any kind of investigation on those claims so far, they only opened a case for it

Exactly. This is the relevant UN report A/77/533: Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine - Note by the Secretary-General
https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/...df?OpenElement

It identifies an investigation into claims for forced transfers and adoptions as the next step:
VI. Next steps
114. Issues of interest will include possible violations in filtration camps, alleged forced transfers of people, conditions under which expedited adoptions of children are allegedly taking place, as well as changes in local administration and so-called referenda, the consequences of which are becoming clearer given recent events.

By the way, this report makes harrowing reading.
The conclusion states:
Based on its investigations of the events in Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Sumy in late February and March 2022, the Commission has found reasonable grounds to conclude that an array of war crimes and violations of human rights and international humanitarian law have been committed in Ukraine since 24 February 2022. As detailed in the present report, Russian armed forces are responsible for the vast majority of the violations identified by the Commission. The Commission has also found instances in which Ukrainian armed forces have violated international humanitarian law, including two situations in which they committed war crimes. While few in number, such cases will continue to be the object of the Commission’s attention.

Posted by Mashika (here)
then Russia provided some documentation and evidence of what happened to those kids, and that information has not been made public yet by the UN

Please share any verified documentation and evidence with us.

Posted by Mashika (here)
or make sure at least that it is made very clear that those claims have not been validated at all and that no investigation has occurred

The UN does make that perfectly clear.

In the second paragraph of this report, the UN’s high commissioner for human rights states, “We cannot yet confirm these allegations”.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/06/1120412

Posted by Mashika (here)
If the people move to other countries in the middle east or any other place, they are refugees

But the claims in this situation are that people aren’t merely moving to other countries. They are being forcibly deported and unlawfully transferred from certain areas within occupied Ukraine. Big difference.

This report is by Human Rights Watch, dated 1st September (and of course, Russia closed down the Human Rights Watch office back in April - and that of Amnesty and Memorial and many other NGOs - in an attempt to silence those who defend human rights)

“We Had No Choice” - a report by HRW, subtitled “Filtration and the Crime of Forcibly Transferring Ukrainian Civilians to Russia”.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/09/0...nian-civilians

Here is Amnesty’s report, dated 10 November.

“Like A Prison Convoy” Russia’s Unlawful Transfer of Civilians in Ukraine and Abuses During Filtration” - a report by Amnesty, dated 10th Nov 2022
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents.../6136/2022/en/

Posted by Mashika (here)
It's pure BS, no investigation has happened at all, so these 'credible claims' are pure BS.

You cannot possibly know that.

It’s amazing to me that anyone, bearing in mind the utter confusion of war, can simply brush off these allegations as “BS”.

I cannot possibly know that they are true as no investigation has yet taken place.
And you cannot possibly know they are false.

But to dismiss them as “BS” to ignore possible war crimes and violations of human rights. I have to wonder why you would do that.

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How One Ukrainian Billionaire Funded Hunter Biden, President Volodymyr Zelensky, And The Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion

Kanekoa’s Newsletter

Kolomoysky Owns Burisma Holdings

The real person who was the benefactor to, and the boss of, Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, at the Ukrainian gas company Burisma Holdings, was not the CEO of Burisma Holdings, Mykola Zlochevsky, but it was instead Ihor Kolomoysky, who was part of the newly installed Ukrainian Government, which the Obama Administration itself had actually just installed in Ukraine, in what the head of the “private CIA” firm Stratfor correctly called “the most blatant coup in history.”

Shortly after the Obama Administration’s Ukrainian coup, on March 2, 2014, Kolomoysky, who supported Yanukovych’s overthrow, was appointed the governor of Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine. Hunter Biden, with no experience in the industry or region, would join Kolomoysky’s Burisma Holdings two months later on May 12, 2014.

A 2012 study of Burisma Holdings done in Ukraine by the AntiCorruption Action Centre (ANTAC), an investigative nonprofit co-funded by American billionaire George Soros and the U.S. State Department, found that the true owner of Burisma Holdings was none other than Ukrainian billionaire-oligarch Ihor Kolomoysky.

The study, which was funded to dig up corruption on the Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, instead found that Ihor Kolomoysky “managed to seize the largest reserves of natural gas in Ukraine”.

Burisma Holdings changed owners in 2011 when it was taken over by an off-shore Cyprus enterprise called Brociti Investments Ltd, and subsequently, moved addresses under the same roof as Ukrnaftoburinnya and Esko-Pivnich, two Ukrainian gas companies which happened to be also owned by Kolomoysky through off-shore entities in the British Virgin Islands.

Oleh Kanivets, who worked as CEO of Ukrnaftoburinnya, confirmed Kolomoysky as the owner of Burisma Holding in the 2012 report saying, “The Privat Group is the immediate owner. This company was founded by Mykola Zlochevsky some time ago, but he later sold his shares to the Privat Group.”

In other words, Hunter Biden’s boss and benefactor at Burisma Holdings is the same Ukrainian billionaire-oligarch who also claimed the position of boss and benefactor over Volodymyr Zelensky before he became Ukraine’s president.

Kolomoysky Owns 1+1 Media Group

Kolmoysky, who currently holds a net worth of $1.8 billion making him the 1750th richest person in the world, owns holdings in metal, petroleum, and the media sector, where he has had a long history with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

For years, Zelensky’s company produced shows for Kolmoysky’s TV network, 1+1 Media Group, one of the largest media conglomerates in Ukraine. Zelensky achieved national fame portraying a president on a hit television sitcom called, Servant of the People, which was broadcasted on a channel owned by Kolmoysky.

In 2019, Kolmoysky’s media channels gave a big boost to Zelensky’s presidential campaign, while Kolmoysky even provided security, lawyers, and vehicles for Zelensky during his campaign. Kolmoysky’s bodyguard and lawyer accompanied Zelensky on the campaign trail as Zelensky was chauffeured around in a Range Rover owned by one of Kolmoysky’s companies.

The Pandora Papers showed that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his TV production partners were beneficiaries of a web of offshore firms created in 2012, the same year Zelensky’s production company entered into a deal with Kolomoysky’s media group, which allegedly received $41 million in funds from Kolomoysky’s Privatbank.

Zelensky’s political rival, President Petro Poroshenko commented on their connection during the campaign trail, “Fate intended to put me together with Kolomoyskiy’s puppet in the second round of the elections.”

After Zelensky’s victory, Kolomoysky, who had spent the last few years living between Israel and Switzerland, returned to Ukraine to keep up his relationship with the new president, nominating over 30-lawmakers to Zelensky’s newly established party and maintaining influence with many of them in parliament.

Kolomoysky Funds The Azov, Aidar, and Dnipro Battalions

Igor Kolomoysky has been a top funder of the Azov Battalion since it was formed in 2014. He has also bankrolled private militias like the Dnipro and Aidar Battalions and has personally deployed them to protect his financial interests.

Aljazeera:

Before becoming part of Ukraine’s armed forces, who funded Azov? The unit received backing from Ukraine’s interior minister in 2014, as the government had recognised its own military was too weak to fight off the pro-Russian separatists and relied on paramilitary volunteer forces.

These forces were privately funded by oligarchs–the most known being Igor Kolomoisky, an energy magnate billionaire and then-governor of the Dnipropetrovska region.

Newsweek:

Groups of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists are committing war crimes in the rebel-held territories of Eastern Ukraine, according to a report from Amnesty International, as evidence emerged in local media of the volunteer militias beheading their victims.

Armed volunteers who refer to themselves as the Aidar battalion “have been involved in widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions”, Amnesty said…

The Aidar battalion is publicly backed by Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi, who also allegedly funds the Azov, Donbas, Dnepr 1, Dnepr 2 volunteer battalions, operating under orders from Kiev.

Reuters:

Some of Ukraine’s private battalions have blackened the country’s international reputation with their extremist views. The Azov battalion, partially funded by Taruta and Kolomoisky, uses the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol as its logo, and many of its members openly espouse neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic views. The battalion members have spoken about “bringing the war to Kiev,” and said that Ukraine needs “a strong dictator to come to power who could shed plenty of blood but unite the nation in the process.”

Kolomoysky’s Battalions Shell Civilians In Donbas

The Luhansk and Donetsk regions comprise a larger region known together as Donbas. In May 2014, shortly after the Obama administration’s Maidan-coup, the two regions held a referendum on seceding from Ukraine, in which 96% of Lukansk and 89% of Donetsk voted for the creation of two new independent entities in eastern Ukraine.

Moscow said the vote reflected the “will of the people,” but the European Union called the elections “illegal and illegitimate“, which quickly turned violent and descended into an all-out conflict between Russian-backed separatist forces and the Ukrainian military and pro-government militias.

Donbas became the epicenter of a battle for global influence between NATO and Moscow in which the homes, schools, and offices of innocent civilians were simply collateral damage, and water, electricity, and gas were regularly shut off for the residents who paid the ultimate price.

The War in Donbas has continued to this day killing an estimated 14,000 while tearing eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region into shreds.

Human Rights Watch reported on July 24, 2014, that Ukrainian government forces and pro-government militias had indiscriminately used unguided Grad rockets in populated areas, which violated international humanitarian law, the laws of war, and constituted war crimes.

While the Ukrainian government officials denied using Grad rockets in Donetsk, a Human Rights Watch investigation on the ground strongly indicated that Ukrainian government forces were responsible for the attacks and earlier in the month, Al Jazeera journalist had even filmed Ukrainian forces with Grad rocket launchers on the road to Donetsk.

While Kolomoysky’s Azov battalion led the post-coup government’s assault on the self-declared republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, a 2014 Amnesty International report accused Kolomoysky’s Aidar Battalion of war crimes in Donbas specifically citing, “widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions”.

In October 2014, Human Rights Watch reported that Ukrainian government forces and pro-government militias were responsible for the widespread use of cluster munitions in populated areas in Donetsk city.

“It is shocking to see a weapon that most countries have banned used so extensively in eastern Ukraine,” said Mark Hiznay, senior arms researcher at Human Rights Watch. “Ukrainian authorities should make an immediate commitment not to use cluster munitions and join the treaty to ban them.”

This is not to say that both sides were not guilty of war crimes as Russian-backed separatists were also accused of using unguided rockets, shooting down civilian planes, and both sides have been accused of numerous war crimes.

The Minsk II agreement in 2015 ended the worst fighting and set up a buffer zone around the breakaway republics, but the deadly civil war has continued to drag on in the region until this day. Heavy weapons were banned by the Minsk agreements but were still frequently used, and to devastating effect.

Children’s schools in Donetsk have been hit so many times by indiscriminate shelling that basements are set up as make-shift bomb shelters and windows are piled high with sandbags. Donbas has also become one of the most landmine contaminated places on earth putting more than 220,000 children at risk.

“The shelling doesn’t leave a child’s psyche unscathed. Children are traumatized. They are terrified. There are children who become very emotional. They pour their feelings out,” said Iryna Morhun, the Principal of Krasnohorivka School, which was hit by a direct strike.

“On the other side, there are children who keep this pain inside. It’s very sad to see children who should be having a happy childhood suffer because of this war.”

Hunter Biden’s Laptop Talks About “Children Burned Alive” In Donetsk


The nonprofit research group, Marco Polo, which is doing a comprehensive report on Hunter Biden’s Laptop, made the connection between Hunter Biden’s text messages and Kolomoysky’s massacres in eastern Ukraine.

Text messages found on Hunter Biden’s laptop, show Hunter Biden asking Hallie Biden, his brother’s widow and his mistress, if she believed that he had “children burned alive in DONETSK” or “children killed in donetsk, Ukraine”.

Most likely, in reference to Kolomoysky, his reported Burisma Holdings boss, who was also funding the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion that was accused of war crimes and the shelling of civilians in eastern Ukraine.

In 2018, Congress banned U.S. arms from going to the Ukrainian Azov Battalion which used neo-Nazi insignia, openly accepted neo-Nazis into its ranks, and had been accused of ‘ISIS-Style’ War Crimes including beheadings.

“White supremacy and neo-Nazism are unacceptable and have no place in our world,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), an outspoken critic of providing lethal aid to Ukraine, said in a statement to The Hill on Tuesday. “I am very pleased that the recently passed omnibus prevents the U.S. from providing arms and training assistance to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion fighting in Ukraine.”

In 2016, Kolomoysky’s Privatbank collapsed amid accusations of embezzlement and fraud. The bank failure cost the Ukrainian government — and by extension the American and European taxpayers who propped it up with aid funds — about $5.5 billion in a bailout.

In 2020, the Justice Department moved to seize Kolomoysky’s U.S. properties after accusing the oligarch of embezzling and defrauding billions of dollars from PrivatBank and laundering it into American properties, including a steel plant in Kentucky, a commercial high rise in Cleveland, and a Motorola manufacturing plant in Illinois.

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Source: Investigative Journalist Michael Sallah

In March 2021, the Biden administration barred Kolomoisky and members of his family from traveling to the United States because of “involvement in significant acts of corruption.”

It is highly unlikely Kolomoisky would have returned to the United States considering the Justice Department had already begun seizing his properties the year before and he had reportedly been traveling between Switzerland, Israel, and Ukraine in fear of being extradited to the United States.

As I am writing this, the U.S. Congress is approving another $14 billion in aid for Ukraine that will undoubtedly be funneled into the family members of corrupt U.S. and Ukrainian politician’s bank accounts and oligarch’s off-shore financial entities before making its way to the neo-Nazi battalions congress banned from receiving U.S. arms in 2018.

Do the people pushing so hard for war with Russia know about the “children burned alive” in Donetsk? Do they know that we are arming neo-Nazi battalions who have been shooting rockets and dropping cluster bombs on children in Donbas for the last 8-years?

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Boris Johnson Reveals Deep Divisions within Europe Over Ukraine War
November 26, 2022 The Sirius Report

Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson recently stated during an interview with CNN Portugal that there were deep divisions among key EU nations leading up to the war in Ukraine. According to him, the French were “in denial right up to the last moment” and the Italians were reluctant to join other EU nations in their stance against Russia due to their “massive” reliance on Russian hydrocarbons.

The most interesting but perhaps unsurprising comment made by Johnson was that, for “all sorts of sound economic reasons”, Germany initially favoured a swift defeat for Ukraine

Germany has since denied Johnson’s claim, stating that he “has a unique relationship with the truth”. However, former Ukrainian ambassador to Germany Andriy Melnyk previously said that during his meeting with German Finance Minister Christian Lindner on day one of the war, the latter smilingly told him that Ukraine would only last a few hours.

If indeed true, Germany’s initial economic concerns were more than valid given it is now struggling with a severe energy crisis and rising inflation, with German food price inflation jumping 20.3% year on year in October. German Economy Minister Habeck also recently stated that Germany will incur losses of €60 billion in 2022 and €100 billion in 2023 due to being forced to purchase more expensive energy.

Although European leaders have continually praised European unity and solidarity over Ukraine, the reality may not be what it seems. Deep divisions remain over the EU’s proposed gas price cap, with media reporting that the energy crisis “has divided the 27-nation bloc in almost irreconcilable blocs”. Anti-war protests have also spread across Central Europe, signalling growing discontent among European citizens over the economic impact of western sanctions.


https://www.thesiriusreport.com/geop...urope-ukraine/