Could We Have A Discussion About Interdimensional Beings And The Hologram In Relation To Aliens?

[Star Wonder]

I am wondering what everyone thinks about the idea that the UFO/NHI are interdimensional according to the witness Grusch before the Congress yesterday. Do you agree with that theory? If so, would you please describe here what you believe. Also Grusch mentioned the idea of a hologram in his conversation. Do you believe this theory?

I am just trying to understand this concept, and would like to have some food for thought from Avalon.

[shaberon]

Can you be more specific?

I disagree with "interdimensional", because I think there is one dimension, three.

A dimension means "a measurement", and the idea of additional dimensions appears to be String Theory, not something that anyone has actually measured.

Similarly, I don't think there is a second dimension, either. It occurs in Geometry, but there is no such thing as anything you can measure with it.

I would agree with "planes of existence", which have to do with consciousness, which is still basically going to be "three dimensional". And then yes, the physical world has no "solid matter" anywhere, it just has tightly-bound electrical forces which we can feel with our fingertips, but because it really has the nature of electricity and light, in the third dimension, this is a hologram.


Those are just axioms.

If the meaning was something else, I would be suspicious.

[Kuperkai]

Are you asking if the UFOs are traveling interdimensionally, or if the occupants are interdimensional beings?

I'm definitely in the camp of thinking that many UFO craft that are capable of interdimensional travel. The UFO fly-over of the US Capitol in 1952 was proof of this capability- the UFOs would disappear and then reappear elsewhere. How is that possible? Well, they create their own time-space bubble and then drop into hyper-space/sub-space (or whatever it is called) and then "pop-out" of hyperspace millions of miles or light years away from their point of origin.

As for the UFO occupants, I think they have tech that allows them to slide in and out of our dimension, but they ultimately inhabit a physical dimension just like ours. Are there beings capable of interdimensional travel (without tech)? Sure. Based on what we know, Bigfoot is capable of interdimensional travel, but they ultimately live in a real, physical dimensions just like us.

Are there purely interdimensional beings/entities, as in non-physical, capable of traveling interdimensionally? My guess is sure, why not. Consciousness is primary, and if our spirit can manifest a soul into a human meat suit, then why couldn't higher levels of consciousness manifest wherever & whenever they choose? Ultimately, this 3D reality is an illusion, a kind of holo-deck for spirit to manifest and learn. From what I can tell, we are very low in the hierarchy of sentient beings/spirit.

[Kuperkai]

Posted by shaberon (here)
Can you be more specific?

I disagree with "interdimensional", because I think there is one dimension, three.

A dimension means "a measurement", and the idea of additional dimensions appears to be String Theory, not something that anyone has actually measured.

Similarly, I don't think there is a second dimension, either. It occurs in Geometry, but there is no such thing as anything you can measure with it.

I would agree with "planes of existence", which have to do with consciousness, which is still basically going to be "three dimensional". And then yes, the physical world has no "solid matter" anywhere, it just has tightly-bound electrical forces which we can feel with our fingertips, but because it really has the nature of electricity and light, in the third dimension, this is a hologram.

@shaberon- What if a "dimension" is a space dominated by a set of frequencies, like a musical chord. Everything in a dimension manifests or builds from this unique set of frequencies. To move from one dimension to another you need to change your primary vibrational frequency/chord to match the destination chord/frequency?

Here is a video of what I would call an antigravitic, dimensional capable craft.
TR-3B launches warp engine over Paris, France- Jan 20, 2019 | whistLe bLow

At the 46 seconds, the time/space engine is engaged and begins spooling up. At 56 seconds the entire craft is enveloped into a time/space bubble and 4 seconds later it is GONE. Now, this particular craft has rear vertical fins/stablizers which become visible around the 40 second mark. This looks like a terrestrial craft made by humans of the the TR variety (TR = Terrestrial Reconnaissance).

[Ade Morris]

Yes we are multidimensional ourselves, and exist in multiple simultaneously, past present and future. We live in a multiverse, and I have interacted with many non human races.

[shaberon]

Posted by Kuperkai (here)
@shaberon- What if a "dimension" is a space dominated by a set of frequencies, like a musical chord. Everything in a dimension manifests or builds from this unique set of frequencies. To move from one dimension to another you need to change your primary vibrational frequency/chord to match the destination chord/frequency?

Then I think it is the wrong word for it.

By "set of frequencies", I understand spectra and octaves, not geometrical series, as would be produced by a chord within an octave.

Another plane of existence compares to another spectrum that we are not able to perceive with physical senses. Dreams are like that.

For the purposes of manifestation, there is a parallel in the Platonic Solids with the Dodecahedron being given last:

Of the fifth Platonic solid, the dodecahedron, Plato obscurely remarked, "...the god used [it] for arranging the constellations on the whole heaven".


(or, i. e., twelve faces = Zodiac)

Euclid completely mathematically described the Platonic solids in the Elements, the last book (Book XIII) of which is devoted to their properties. Propositions 13–17 in Book XIII describe the construction of the tetrahedron, octahedron, cube, icosahedron, and dodecahedron in that order.












So that represents descent into the universe or material creation, whereas one can find the equivalency of the Icosahedron to this fairly standard symbol of the astral plane:






Those go out of intuitive order. All the previous shapes can be made by regular triangles, i. e. a cube can be made from pairs of right triangles, but a Dodecahedron does not work like that.


The astral and physical planes being convertible according to the principles of Spherical Trigonometry:



There can be only five regular polyhedrons.


Let a sphere be described about a regular polyhedron; let perpendiculars
be drawn from the centre of the sphere on the faces of the polyhedron, and
produced to meet the surface of the sphere: then it is obvious from symmetry
that the points of intersection must be the angular points of another regular
polyhedron.

This may be verified. It will be found on examination that if S be the
number of solid angles, and F the number of faces of one regular polyhedron,
then another regular polyhedron exists which has S faces and F solid angles.



Describe a Sphere about an Icosahedron ; let perpendiculars be drawn from the centre of the Sphere on its faces and produced to meet the surface of the Sphere. Now, if the points of intersection be joined, a Dodecahedron is formed within the Sphere. By a similar process an Icosahedron may be constructed from a Dodecahedron.

If a dodecahedron and an icosahedron be described about a given sphere,
the sphere described about these polyhedrons will be the same.




And so I think it is almost exactly that, the ability to shift from one type of three-dimensional existence to another. In that sense, I could understand an astral being which, like Plato's deity, is able to mentally project itself into the physical world. Whatever it makes would be like faerie dust, i. e. once the willpower fades, the created form dissipates into potential energy.

Transporting a normal physical body seems to me that it would still be quite limited, i. e., I am very doubtful about crossing interstellar distances by mechanical technology. There might be physical beings, which on a heavy planet like Jupiter might resemble pancakes, or somewhere else they might be immobilized like trees, but I think it is far less likely that any of them could reasonably fly to other solar systems. By implication, then, the curiosity would bend more in the direction of, who lives in this solar system?

It would be more likely that Martians or Venusians could arrive by astral or physical means, and, the farther you go, the less likely and more difficult it would be.

[thepainterdoug]

my instincts, without reading all above is, like a radio, we tune in and out of perceived realities. so newtonian physics such as taking light years to come to earth, scoop up soil and head back home is absurd to me.
ice, water, and steam can all take place in the same covered pot.
just turn up the heat

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Star Wonder (here)
...

• Good question @Star Wonder

The term "Hologram" can be used from a solely technical "machine like" perspective ... but there are many who uses the term more as a metaphor or concept to describe something that is far more complex and goes much deeper ... So the use of that term does not really do justice to what really is going on.

Using labels that does not really represent nor doing justice to the complexity of (quantum?) Fractal Antennas called DNA that is so complex that the real: "Origins of How Life Really Started" question is never answered from a pure "technical" perspective nor "Darwinist" approach ... We just use theories full of (often false) assumptions, having a worldview that fits our pre-conceived believes & ideas.

• But at the same time, certain labels like "Holograms" can better help comprehend mechanisms of multi-layered dimensions intertwined depending on from what angle you are "observing" it.

Consciousness & Awareness that is beyond the physical uses aspects of the physical to have a certain effect ...that is why I am reluctant to focus on "technical" terms & labels as the "only way" to better understand / comprehend perceived reality.

How much of our core "Consciousness & Awareness" is: Filtered? ... Compromised? ... Hijacked by another programming/conditioning? ... Muted? ... Distorted? ...

• The more we depend on mechanistic (machinelike) worldviews, the less Human we become!

The, what I call: "Neutral Observer Awareness" within all of us does not judge, it is just aware of why you do what you do and just allows the endless "monkey mind chatter" doing its thing and hopefully the experiences becomes the teacher not the "endless brain chatter" ... After a while, you become (hopefully) wiser and realize that the answer was already there from the start, you just CHOSE not to use it! ... Which can have many causes, one of them is: "forgetting who you really are".

Human Bodies are an interface for Interdimensional Beings and there is a difference between "being alive here" (as a Multidimensional Soul) vs "becoming a (temporary) channel/conduit" vs "being (temporary) possessed".

• Transhumanism is about very similar principles with one big difference: it is pure mechanistic & machinelike! Programmable, micromanaged from the A.I. Hive Mind ... Much easier to control ... They call it: "Hooking up to the A.I. cloud" like how we use Google Maps on a Smartphone to navigate and other search engines deciding how to proceed "the best way".

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 28th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

[Bill Ryan]

In his 20-minute interview of Steven Greer yesterday, Clayton Morris asked Greer the same question at 11:35.

I think Greer's reply was pretty much on the money, that (a) there's a confusion of ill-defined terms here, and (b) ALL visitors from other star systems will be traveling TRANSdimensionally (folding spacetime), because they can't make the journey in linear 3D spacetime: it'd just take too long.

And yes, Greer states, I think correctly, that some visitors will be here from other dimensions as well, where they live. It's worth watching as a partial answer to the question of the thread.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kZle-PYmoQE

[Sunny-side-up]

As far as I'm concerned, we have every possible kind of visitor coming and or living here on this globe.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you all.

My ideas about the topic are based on my own experience only.

I am aware of various (para)physical theories but they mostly are “only” what they are: hypotheses arrived at by thought and logic only – and hence, in the best of Popperian cases, exposing themselves to falsifying facts to come. That is called scientific evidence.

Testimonial evidence is what is upheld in a court of law, and ideally arises from the “fairness” consideration (aka “equity” as in Liberté Fraternité Équité (the latter being the corrected version of Égalité)). It is just fair to accept that for anybody what is true for him or her is true for him or her.

Hence, based on my experience of a “supernatural” kind, true for me is some kind of “interdimensionality” – but not in the usual sense. This usual sense is most of the time: “between dimensions”, like “interstellar” means “between stars”; It can however also mean “a dimension in between two of our dimensions”: in that case “aliens” would be denizens of dimension 1.5 for instance; a kind of fractal dimension.

But another meaning can be given to the term: that the “interdimension” is the product of two other dimensions, like the child is the “product” of a man and a woman.

(Allow me to add a double caveat here. The first is that our three dimensions are somewhat peculiar in that they are fully “translatable” (if that is the correct word), each dimension of a cube being able to be length, width and height according to the perspective taken, so that yes, Shaberon, to an extent one may consider that the whole 3-D quality of our reality is in itself just one dimension (using the term “dimension” metaphorically however). The second point is that time is not really a fourth dimension; I have been quite impressed by Dirk Meijer’s and Hans Geesink’s paper "Consciousness in the Universe is scale invariant and implies an event horizon of the human brain”: an extra dimension in the real sense would be Consciousness then but it would rather be like “3-D-ness” being taken as one dimension.)

I will for various reasons reduce the presentation of my experience to what is of relevance here.

Context: I was, before the experience started, in a somewhat altered state of consciousness produced by alternating exposures to heat and cold and specific yoga exercises: the result was a reduction of metabolism to an almost-standstill and awareness of a quasi disappearance of time [(!) disappearance of time as a dimension, or realisation that time is indeed not a dimension].
Experience: during a “brief” lapse of [no?-]time (5 seconds? 5 minutes?):
- within a normal indoor 3-D setting of maybe 10 by 10 meters of floor space,
- appearance of a "recognisably divine” entity as in a vision (translucid), floating in mid-air at a distance of 8 meters,
- inducing a change of the metrics, the distance between the "deity” and myself being reduced to 2 meters by shrinkage of the space, NOT by displacement of the "deity”,
- (subjectively feelings of awe, wonder, peace, “love”),
- the translucid entity touching me (having become translucid to myself) and by a simple translucid gesture “changing” me both “physically” (or rather metaphysically?) and symbolically (the gesture being “material” and “symbolical” at the same time),
- after this gesture, the reconfiguration of space snapping back to its original, “normal” configuration and simultaneously disappearance of any translucidity,
- various people in the immediate surroundings proving to have been completely unaware of what happened “to me”.

My understanding is that the event required not so much an intrusion of another dimension into our 3-D as a preparation on both sides: the quasi-nullification of time on my behalf and the desire of contact on the entity’s behalf. Communication was possible because both sides merged their dimensionalities, and this “merger” (which I have just qualified as “desire” on the ”divine” side and as “subjective” “love” on my, the human’s, side was in itself the message (the “also” symbolical gesture): Marshall McLuhan’s “the medium is the message” in the very specific sense that the “medium” was the birth of a dimensionality as a product of two pre-existing dimensionalities: an inter-dimensionality hued, toned, by desire/love.

Two more things.
I have come to feel that it was not different from many UFO testimonials, where the experiencer quite often reports that it “only happened to him/her”, others being unaware of it – or from such where the UFO does something physical/symbolical to the experiencer (also quite different from a body fluid harvesting procedure). And of course, this holds also true for hundreds of “religious” visions.
Two: the love/desire component is essential. Not only because it is the name of the dynamic between the two dimensionalities, but also because love’s essential mathematical symbolisation (or “force”?) is the Golden Mean, so that the interdimensionality realised could be conceptualised as being of a dimension Phi power zero, whereas lover and beloved are, in a “never-ending” interplay “switching sides”, Phi power minus 1 and Phi power 1 respectively – which is also the conceptualisation of mystical experience, of which the experience referred to was like a snapshot.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by Star Wonder (here)
...

• Good question @Star Wonder

The term "Hologram" can be used from a solely technical "machine like" perspective ... but there are many who uses the term more as a metaphor or concept to describe something that is far more complex and goes much deeper ... So the use of that term does not really do justice to what really is going on.

Using labels that does not really represent nor doing justice to the complexity of (quantum?) Fractal Antennas called DNA that is so complex that the real: "Origins of How Life Really Started" question is never answered from a pure "technical" perspective nor "Darwinist" approach ... We just use theories full of (often false) assumptions, having a worldview that fits our pre-conceived believes & ideas.

• But at the same time, certain labels like "Holograms" can better help comprehend mechanisms of multi-layered dimensions intertwined depending on from what angle you are "observing" it.

Consciousness & Awareness that is beyond the physical uses aspects of the physical to have a certain effect ...that is why I am reluctant to focus on "technical" terms & labels as the "only way" to better understand / comprehend perceived reality.

How much of our core "Consciousness & Awareness" is: Filtered? ... Compromised? ... Hijacked by another programming/conditioning? ... Muted? ... Distorted? ... The more we depend on mechanistic (machinelike) worldviews, the less Human we become!

The, what I call: "Neutral Observer Awareness" within all of us does not judge, it is just aware of why you do what you do and just allows the endless "monkey mind chatter" doing its thing and hopefully the experiences becomes the teacher not the "endless brain chatter" ... After a while, you become (hopefully) wiser and realize that the answer was already there from the start, you just CHOSE not to use it! ... Which can have many causes, one of them is: "forgetting who you really are".

Human Bodies are an interface for Interdimensional Beings and there is a difference between "being alive here" (as a Multidimensional Soul) vs "becoming a (temporary) channel/conduit" vs "being (temporary) possessed".

• Transhumanism is about the same principles with one difference: it is pure mechanistic & machinelike! Programmable, micromanaged from the A.I. Hive Mind ... Much easier to control ... They call it: "Hooking up to the A.I. cloud" like how we use Google Maps on a Smartphone to navigate and other search engines deciding how to proceed "the best way".

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 28th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

Amen, John.

[Blastolabs]

Humans are "inter dimensional" beings. (I'd be surprised if all life were not inter dimensional" )

We can obtain information from anywhere in the universe at any time, all while laying in bed with our eyes closed.

This is often called "remote viewing" but anyone who has spent a lot of time meditating will tell you that remote viewing is just the first small step on the path of human capabilities.

[ExomatrixTV]

• much more insights here

[Star Wonder]

WOW, AVALONIANS!!! I cannot begin to tell you all how helpful this is to my understanding of the terms. It will take me awhile to digest all of these posts. I hope others will add their views as well.

I asked the questions because they were terms that Grusch used in his interview, and I wanted to get a clearer picture of what he meant. First, it was not clear to me if he was referring to the aliens as being interdimensional or if he was referring to their spaceships as being that. If he was referring to the spaceships, I can assume that they are able to bend space and time and that they may be using worm holes or dark matter and other such stuff which I have a basic understanding. If he is referring to the aliens however, it would imply that their consciousness is on a higher spiritual level than our own. And maybe Grusch was referring to both ship and being, who knows! He used the term hologram in a similar fashion in that he did not define what he meant or how we are to interpret his use of the term. He seemed to imply that these are terms that are used within his department to describe what they were encountering.

All of this leads me to ask these question: Are we trapped into the semantics of language to describe what we have been observing? Since we have different understandings of the idea of interdimensional, how will we be able to define these events more thoroughly? Is there a hierarchy of these alien dimensions?

Grusch never mentioned that the UFO/NHI are from other planets when he described them. Are we to assume that they are only from other dimensions within our own planet? The language of the interview was very troubling to me because I had always assumed that the UFO conversation included other planets. Over many years, researchers have discussed interstellar or extraterrestial rather than these things being from our Earth.

As for my understanding of interdimensional, I believe that Albert Eisenstein may have trapped us into a prison when he defined our understanding of nature the way he did. He had to describe it this way for people to understand the world at that time, but it seems that now our minds have expanded and so must our theories about our universe. Carl Sagan said that to understand interdimensions think of a box within a box within a box and so on. That was pretty simple to understand for his time, but now we need deeper meaning and thoughts. Until we know more about the workings of all of this and until we can come to terms and define everything in a meaningful way that we can all relate to we just cannot get to the understanding that we need to deal with all of this. I agree that words are difficult to use when describing these events, but our whole understand of our lives is based on using labels. We define ourselves with names. We define our ideas with words based on concepts. That is why we need to have this conversation. Please keep it going!

StarWonder

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
In his 20-minute interview of Steven Greer yesterday, Clayton Morris asked Greer the same question at 11:35.

I think Greer's reply was pretty much on the money, that (a) there's a confusion of ill-defined terms here, and (b) ALL visitors from other star systems will be traveling TRANSdimensionally (folding spacetime), because they can't make the journey in linear 3D spacetime: it'd just take too long.

And yes, Greer states, I think correctly, that some visitors will be here from other dimensions as well, where they live. It's worth watching as a partial answer to the question of the thread.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kZle-PYmoQE

It's no accident Greer is all of a sudden now doing all these interviews and stealing the limelight so to speak....
The real concern is how the politicians/deep state are now going to weaponize this "ET development" against the masses. Greer touches on this danger towards the end of the clip. I'm surprised the deep state hasn't silenced him yet, hence, he must be part of the global scare event that they have planned for us....

[Mike Gorman]

Arthur M Young influences me strongly on this, his grasp of high-level mathematics was truly and genuinely superb - when Arthur was a young university student Princeton university had to bring in the top math wizard of the times to build a unique course for him to complete, based on Einstein's then new Relativity theory, he went through this and was critiquing Einstein's concepts- he later on proposed an entire revision of time/space, but of course this did not please the science dogmatists, the result is Arthur Young is seldom mentioned in science circles, with a grudging, mean spirited acknowledgement of his brilliant development of the very first commercially usable Helicopter only provided. Smudged out of history!

Anyway, I am more amenable with the 'Brane' concept, that is multiple universes aligned like membranes - extra dimensions are problematic, a dimension is a measurement of a physical property, we have 4, with Time being an aspect of Space. But really is it not more likely that non-terrestrial beings are visitors from other worlds? I don't have the absolute answer, perhaps we all have it wrong and this universe is just more complex and capable of extreme novelty in ways we simply haven't even considered yet?

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
I'm surprised the deep state hasn't silenced him yet, hence, he must be part of the global scare event that they have planned for us....

"must" ?! ... Because that is your evidence??? .... I studied Dr. Steven Greers work & effort since 1990 onward 33 years ago his Project Starlight and used his CE5 Protocols successfully multiple times with friends since 1991 and studied his "Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI)" Journals and bought his books too ... Used his Project Starlight video material at our UFO Conference in Amsterdam, November 20, 1992

• Dr. Greer helped me a lot in my own journey deep UFO research last 33 years ... So what evidence exactly (we can study) @SilentFeathers do you really have for your accusatory claim?

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• When an Accusation like 'Controlled Opposition' loses its value!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

• New Disclosure Conference in D.C./ Natl' Press Conference/Steven Greer
• Classified Alien Encounters Revealed (important Steven Greer interview)

Thread: Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind - The CE-5 Protocols

My 2021 quote:

"Am truly happy that I am able to see beyond the flaws of Dr. Steven M. Greer (and he has some, yes!) ... as I am eternal grateful & truly appreciate for what he did (for me) in late 1980s early 1990s as his Project Starlight was known to me when I was organizing the first International UFO Conference called "UFO's and the New World Order" in Amsterdam November 20th, 1992 ... Back then I had my own Local Radio & TV shows called 'Exposure Radio' & 'Exposure TV' in Amsterdam promoting all of it connected to our 'Exposure Magazine' with over 4000 subscribers ...

I studied back then (almost 30 years ago) Steven Greers efforts when he was not "famous" ... I had over 450+ VHS Tapes dealing with UFO Research & Suppressed News (Conspiracy Research) ... One of those 400+ VHS tapes of (4 hours each) was couple interviews with Greer explaining his CE5 Protocols and some unedited successful CE5 UFO Encounters in Florida with a group of 40 people on the beach using lasers multiple cameras and big torchlights inter acting with 3 "potato shaped" orange UFOs forming slowly a big triangle AFTER the CE5 group had intelligent feedback like UFOs pulsating (boosting up) as a response. You can hear the crowd cheering the event.

In that same year I was on Dutch National TV (3+ million viewers) discussing crop-circle mystery NOT being "debunked" satisfactorily by "Doug Bower & Dave Chorley" who traveled all over the world appearing on national TV "explaining how they hoaxed it" ... The two elderly were also invited to The Netherlands, and I was face to face (in real life) with them preparing for the show (debate). All because I was already seen in several magazines, Dutch newspapers and multiple national radio-shows. All to explaining that Crop Circle Mystery is far from being "explained away" (their "debunking" attempt failed).

Not long thereafter me doing all of that, we invited Colin Andrews to be one of the speakers of our 1st International UFO Conference in Amsterdam. Colin Andrews showed the latest results of a successful CE5 initiative (including some skeptical journalists) in the UK (England) ... Where Colin Andrews temporary worked together with Steven Greer in 1992 ... Separate they shared their mutual CE5 Crop-circle success/experiences ... combine that with me having an exclusive for The Dutch visitors showing the best UFO video-material at the time as I too was one of the speakers. Colin came to me after my UFO presentation and asked how I got all the super new UFO footage's, some of it he had "no permission" to use yet. I told him that I have a vast international network of conspiracy researchers copying from VHS to VHS tapes sending through mail from over 20 countries. This was between 1990 and 1996 long before "The Internet" was used by the majority of common people. Due to me building an international research network between 1982 and 1990 using acoustic C64 modem and went on multiple BBS systems. I was already used to sending mail to many many countries swapping C64 games.

Some of the international C64 crackers hacked the telephone system so that we could do live conference calls for free, and I was invited to be one of the tele-conference-lines ... via these interactions my network only grew faster! ... Part of that network helped me to go on (among others) "usenet" where I downloaded the William (Bill) Cooper Report, Steven Greer material and so much more.

Keep in mind, this all happened long before "The World Wide Web" was fully operational. Some may not be able to imagine how that is as they have no experience like that.

So now you know am with Greer (indirectly) way, way back ... thanks to him, I have had my own 3 successful CE5 experiences all with multiple witnesses following his protocols.

And yes Greer is obvious arrogant and very "authoritative" type ... but that has zero effect on me ... I just focus what is useful for me what can help me to move on, and I did ... I never felt the need to join any "group think" mentality ever, so I do not feel pushed to have an "internal dialog" what to do about his flaws.

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳
April 28th, 2021"

2021 quote:

Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
"In it for the money" and "in it for the Truth" must not always be mutually exclusive.

"Exactly ... I co-organized several (sold out) big international UFO conferences and gave over 80 UFO lectures in 5 countries last 31 years ... I am used hearing some people saying "you do it for the money" rhetoric ... all (armchair critic's) who say that never ever organized the same for free and assume that is a "good thing" ... meanwhile judging people who are way more proactive they ever will be.

On top of that, nobody is forced to pay anything ... you want to help/support, or you don't ... and nobody is feeling bad if you chose to decline.

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John 🦜🦋🌳"

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[ExomatrixTV]

• Inter-Dimensional BEINGS? UFO Hearing Sparks HOLOGRAPHIC THEORY Debate: Dr Avi Loeb Explains:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hLmnvu-mxiM

Professor of science Dr. Avi Loeb reacts to the holographic theory discussed in the House hearing on unidentified anomalous objects, or UAPs.

• NOTICE HOW HE IGNORES SO MANY THINGS ... UFO "appearing out of nowhere: and disappearing" ... Remote Viewing Research ... etc. etc.
• Making a false assumption that people who discuss New Physics do "not know" old physics.
• Notice it is not really a balanced back and forth rebuttal ... no real debate ... just him having a monolog of assumptions.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[shaberon]

Posted by Star Wonder (here)
All of this leads me to ask these question: Are we trapped into the semantics of language to describe what we have been observing? Since we have different understandings of the idea of interdimensional, how will we be able to define these events more thoroughly?

Yes, we have a gap in semantics.

Etymologically:


The word dimension comes from the Latin word dimensionem, which means “a measuring.” The word dimension originally referred to the magnitude of something measured along a diameter. In other words, it was a way to describe how big something was.

The literal meaning of dimension is “the measurement of something in physical space.”

A dimension is not a universe. A universe is a collection of everything that exists, including all matter and energy, while a dimension is a an aspect or quality of something.


As something else, there were vague shades of meaning around 1900, crystallized by:

Dimension was first used with the sense "parallel universe" in science-fiction by H. G. Wells...


Followed by String Theory, which is connected to:

There is currently no experimental evidence for the existence of the 11th dimension, and it remains purely a theory at this point.

As for my understanding of interdimensional, I believe that Albert Eisenstein may have trapped us into a prison when he defined our understanding of nature the way he did.

He didn't--he proposed a theory that he said might be wrong.

Surprisingly, it was favored by the church. The sublime marriage of god to science occurs in the Big Bang. So the theory gained the support of vested interests, who are never wrong. The Pope is infallible. He said so!

There are multiple arguments within the scope of Relativity.

Without getting too much into that, one of the caveats is that time is quantized, on the order of 10^34 seconds. So it is just a series of static states. At each instant the entire cosmos is created and destroyed. And anyone will notice that the apparent changing of states or positions from moment to moment is not a fixed rate, instead, consciousness will speed it up, slow it down, or remove it.


If you bend spacetime with wormholes and dark matter, it re-ifies Relativity and deifies the Pope. My instincts won't let me do that. I will vomit on the monitor.

That being said, yes, relativistic effects are measurable, however the theory as a whole may be incomplete or may not be the sole law that regulates everything. Especially, once you have a dream, or some kind of astral experience, it is impossible to believe that the material plane is ultimately real anyway.

All of the Indian myths are based in the Planetary Regents being present on earth. So it is very clear that it is mentally or astrally possible to move from one world to another. This is more like Astrology, which was divinized from Plato to Newton. Isaac Newton was definitely not a materialist. And we can easily show a trend of essentially hijacking *some* of Newton's work to make classical mechanics, followed by similar reductions such as Maxwell's Quarternions to Four Fundamental Forces, up to Einstein, all taking a drubbing from the Pope. Almost everything in the current scholastic view comes from about six people in the 1600s, the scientific aspect of which has been heavily molded. Then we are told consciousness is a secondary, random effect of the mechanistic actions of electro-chemical soup.


Cosmology is perhaps a different question than if there actually are biological organisms not from earth. If such entities are present, they are there regardless of one's understanding of all possible physical laws.