Man, the psychopath. Will nature fight back?

[Harmony]

Posted by Tintin (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Isserley (here)
@Bill - you have trouble cutting the grass?

Yep. Not a joke. I also have trouble cutting back branches of trees and shrubs when they become overgrown. I'm not lazy, but I hate to do it. These are living beings. A Native American, an Aborigine, or a San Bushman, would understand.

I've been giving a lot of detailed thought as to how to respond to this most interesting of threads and am still formulating. Before I do..

A question: How do you see the predator in the grass, if you allow the grass to grow too tall? Grass is the most resilient of plants, and doesn't die when you cut it back.

This goes to the heart of nature and nurture

I have donkeys and wild life eating the pastures where I live. The dropping the animals leave are broken down by several kinds of insects and bacteria etc. that feed the soil and it goes back into the grass along with the sunshine and rain. It i the cycle in balance being a symbiotic give and take, the in and out breath of the earth. I think when it is disturbed and man has not taken the time to connect and work with the earth cycles in a connected loving way it is then that we get into trouble.

[9ideon]

Posted by Tintin (here)
A question: How do you see the predator in the grass, if you allow the grass to grow too tall?

1-) Use a Drone
2-) Sent your Wife/Man ahead
3-) Use one of your Kids (if applicable)
4-) Sent Joe Biden (Although he might get lost)
5-) Use a Low, like runnin' Bulls low frequency pitch in order to scare away Satan (snakes), lol, all the other predators will either chase or scare away from Satan
6-) Sent in Hitlenskyy
7-) Direct Macron, Trudeau and Rutte to scare all the other Snakes Away
8-) Have Bearbock give a speech
9-) Avoid entering the grass all together

[Dennis Leahy]

My spirit guides are pranksters or psychological masters. With me just having declared in this public thread that I escort as many critters outside as I can, and even with my disclaimer about cockroaches, last night as I was about to go to bed, I spotted a large critter ON MY NIGHTSTAND.

It was partially obscured by some papers and my reading glasses, and I thought it was a large wasp or cicada killer. I went into rescue mode, trying to figure out how to catch it without getting stung or breaking my reading glasses. (A typical thing I use for bees and wasps is a crumpled damp paper towel.) Then, it moved, and I realized it was a cockroach! Not a little German cockroach (sorry Germans, I didn't name the species), but rather a big "palmetto bug", as those in the southeastern US states would call it.

Holy sh!t did my demeanor change! I went batsh!t crazy! My pulse rate doubled as adrenaline shot through me. As it scurried off the table top and down the side to the floor, I armed myself with a shoe and became a frantic madman, smacking the floor repeatedly, just missing it. One shoe smack must have been very close, and the puff of wind it generated shot the 6-legged enemy combatant off to the side somewhere. It just disappeared, increasing my panic and rage. I became Jack Nicholson in The Shining, but with a shoe instead of an axe, as I moved objects on the floor, shoes and the stuff knocked off my nightstand, hunting the shiny brown monster. Ahhhh, there it is!

When it saw me see it, it bolted. Not in a straight line, but in a complex zigzag, like a Heisman trophy-winning football halfback avoiding tacklers. I swung my ax, er, I mean shoe, a few more times, the final blow sending the home invader to the White Light.

I gave it a proper burial, wrapped in toilet paper and sent off to Valhalla - down the toilet. (Palmetto bugs are also called by the euphemism, "water bugs", so it was appropriate.)

Afterwords, I was amazed at how much adrenaline was racing through my arteries to my muscles, and realized it was about the same as when I have caught and held poisonous snakes. I knew it was gross overreaction to a (honestly, harmless) bug, but logic didn't immediately dissipate the adrenaline. It took quite a while to get back to a calm state to go to sleep. I was shaking my head and laughing at myself for the overreaction, as well as laughing at any notion of being spiritually evolved enough to "live and let live." I thought about the big cockroach that had awakened me one night in Costa Rica, as it scurried across my face and chest, and wondered if that incident was responsible for imprinting this inordinately overblown and unwarranted physical reaction. I thought about this Avalon thread, and knew I had to bust myself (or God knows what my spirit guides would do to me next!)

[Pris]

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Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
My spirit guides are pranksters or psychological masters. With me just having declared in this public thread that I escort as many critters outside as I can, and even with my disclaimer about cockroaches, last night as I was about to go to bed, I spotted a large critter ON MY NIGHTSTAND.

It was partially obscured by some papers and my reading glasses, and I thought it was a large wasp or cicada killer. I went into rescue mode, trying to figure out how to catch it without getting stung or breaking my reading glasses. (A typical thing I use for bees and wasps is a crumpled damp paper towel.) Then, it moved, and I realized it was a cockroach! Not a little German cockroach (sorry Germans, I didn't name the species), but rather a big "palmetto bug", as those in the southeastern US states would call it.

Holy sh!t did my demeanor change! I went batsh!t crazy! My pulse rate doubled as adrenaline shot through me. As it scurried off the table top and down the side to the floor, I armed myself with a shoe and became a frantic madman, smacking the floor repeatedly, just missing it. One shoe smack must have been very close, and the puff of wind it generated shot the 6-legged enemy combatant off to the side somewhere. It just disappeared, increasing my panic and rage. I became Jack Nicholson in The Shining, but with a shoe instead of an axe, as I moved objects on the floor, shoes and the stuff knocked off my nightstand, hunting the shiny brown monster. Ahhhh, there it is!

When it saw me see it, it bolted. Not in a straight line, but in a complex zigzag, like a Heisman trophy-winning football halfback avoiding tacklers. I swung my ax, er, I mean shoe, a few more times, the final blow sending the home invader to the White Light.

I gave it a proper burial, wrapped in toilet paper and sent off to Valhalla - down the toilet. (Palmetto bugs are also called by the euphemism, "water bugs", so it was appropriate.)

Afterwords, I was amazed at how much adrenaline was racing through my arteries to my muscles, and realized it was about the same as when I have caught and held poisonous snakes. I knew it was gross overreaction to a (honestly, harmless) bug, but logic didn't immediately dissipate the adrenaline. It took quite a while to get back to a calm state to go to sleep. I was shaking my head and laughing at myself for the overreaction, as well as laughing at any notion of being spiritually evolved enough to "live and let live." I thought about the big cockroach that had awakened me one night in Costa Rica, as it scurried across my face and chest, and wondered if that incident was responsible for imprinting this inordinately overblown and unwarranted physical reaction. I thought about this Avalon thread, and knew I had to bust myself (or God knows what my spirit guides would do to me next!)

ROFLMAO!! That was hilarious, Dennis! Made me feel better about myself when I go after the little fat fruit flies we're getting now in the kitchen and bathroom. It's like an impulse. I wet my hand and snatch them out of the air (or at least try to). There, those little critters cross the line for me. It's the same when I find ants inside the home. (I always say/think/feel "I'm sorry".) Mostly everyone else, I carefully collect with my "bug catchers" (usually a container with a piece of cardboard, a feather duster sometimes works when they're on the ceiling) and transport them outside and set them free. I found a very tiny earthworm had come in with carrots from the garden the other day... discovered him later in the container hours later and I made sure to take him back to the garden, dig a wee hole, and put some moist soil over top. With the spiders, I often give them a drink of water before I take them out. They're so damn cute the way they carefully lean into the water droplet with their hind legs way back kind of like a giraffe at the water hole...

Back to the question of plants and their feelings and such. Well, I'm a vegan. I have to eat something. It's been great having started my own garden in the last couple of years so I've been able to pull off some zucchinis, green beans, berries, apricots and such. I yank out the weeds until there's no point because they take over lol. There's a feeling in my mind that I'm sorry to the plant I pull out as I do it... Overall, I get a wonderful feeling from my garden. They know I gotta do what I gotta do. The fruit and veggies are meant to be eaten anyway and would just fall off and rot (or spread their seed) if I don't eat them. The plants want me to eat what they produce... to help spread their seeds. I don't get the sense they mind at all. They like that I grew them to begin with and that I really, really appreciate them. I'm always thrilled and impressed with their beauty and design, grateful to them all. When I have to cut branches off a tree or a bush I basically put out the vibe that I have to to keep things under control and do my best not to butcher anyone. After I'm done and the grass is nicely trimmed and the garden is upkept, I get a sense of mutual appreciation. Neglect feels sad... Nature loves to be appreciated, noticed, just like each one of us loves to feel appreciated and noticed... Am I right? It's a kind of harmony. That's just how it feels to me. It's a good feeling.

[Isserley]

@Dennis - this made me laugh so hard.. that's exactly how I feel when I have a close encounter with unwanted bugs. As if there is a crocodile in the room and not a roach

So the big question is: what of semi harmful pests -> bed bugs, fleas, flies, mosquitoes, cockroaches, fire ants..?

Is one permitted to rid one’s home and neighborhood of them, or must one endure them, even when they are unsanitary or serve as a vector for serious infectious disease?

And what about bacteria and internal parasites? Is one permitted to use antibiotics?

And what about the autoimmune system? Doesn’t the autoimmune system kill foreign living organisms all the time?

So with every breath we take we are abusing some sentient being. If it is about intention - good intention creates good karma and vice versa, will you allow yourself to be eaten by a lion so that lion can feed her cubs or will you kill the lion in self defence?

I am raising a series of questions and resolving none because the more one examines the whole topic the more problematic it becomes.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Isserley (here)
So with every breath we take we are abusing some sentient being.

That's what Jainists believe. They are so extremely earnest in their belief that all life is sacred they wear face-masks (long before covid) so they don't breathe in and thus destroy living microbes.

A little nuts in my view. Microbes may have awareness but they aren't 'sentient'.

Symbiosis is the basis of our existence. The circle of life dictates that in order for one thing to live another must perish.

When it comes to things that are harmful, like 'vermin', I think it is entirely acceptable to act in accordance with what serves our best and lasting interests.

I don't know if others read and follow the Wisdom of Silver Birch...personally, I place huge stock in it, and have tried to live my life by the spiritual principles he presents. For what it's worth I looked up this question and this was his answer. It's all about motive, and degree. (this coming from 'the other side').

A: Is it wrong to spray with insecticides to try to prevent malaria, etc?

Q: Of course you must have respect for all life, but this is a question of motive and degree. If you have conditions where, due to certain circumstances, there are the kinds of insects that cause disease, then your motive for using sprays is a good one. Respect for life must be tempered with the necessity of ensuring there are conditions in which it can flourish. Similarly, if you have houses infested with bugs, it is easier to spray and get rid of them if your motive is to improve the health of those who dwell there.

[Pris]

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Posted by Isserley (here)

@Dennis - this made me laugh so hard.. that's exactly how I feel when I have a close encounter with unwanted bugs. As if there is a crocodile in the room and not a roach

So the big question is: what of semi harmful pests -> bed bugs, fleas, flies, mosquitoes, cockroaches, fire ants..?

Is one permitted to rid one’s home and neighborhood of them, or must one endure them, even when they are unsanitary or serve as a vector for serious infectious disease?

And what about bacteria and internal parasites? Is one permitted to use antibiotics?

And what about the autoimmune system? Doesn’t the autoimmune system kill foreign living organisms all the time?

So with every breath we take we are abusing some sentient being. If it is about intention - good intention creates good karma and vice versa, will you allow yourself to be eaten by a lion so that lion can feed her cubs or will you kill the lion in self defence?

I am raising a series of questions and resolving none because the more one examines the whole topic the more problematic it becomes.

Interesting thoughts...

With regard to this topic, the idea of something being "problematic" is very subjective. If you want it to be a problem, it will be.

"Is one permitted..." Permitted by whom? I've pretty much come to terms with things around me. I don't believe in "karma", I decide and live by my decisions. Some things I have clear boundaries with. Like you say, our immune system is on attack mode all the time. We'd be dead if it wasn't constantly protecting us and killing/neutralizing things.

If I were ever in such a position with a lion... Hell no, I wouldn't allow the lion to eat me (lol). I have just as much right to live as anything else. If I had no choice, I'd kill the lion and then find homes for the cubs.

(We caught a baby house mouse once in the coldest days of winter. She was caught by her tail in a trap. It was too cold to let the mouse go. So, we kept her -- bent tail and all -- as a pet for the couple of years that mice normally live. Note: we abhor the use of mouse traps, but it was a family of six that we had to take out one by one (took out five). So horrible, but they were getting into everything. It was the result of other people in the building where we used to live... not containing their garbage properly that attracted the mice to begin with. After that terrible ordeal with the poor mice [we argued with the people repeatedly], we finally got them to store their garbage properly. No more mice.)

[shaberon]

Posted by onawah (here)
For this reason, the Vedas give two different measurements for the duration of Kali Yuga. In years of the devas, Kali Yuga lasts 1,200 years, and on Earth, it lasts 432,000 years.

This is the part that is not accurate. Those cycles are not in any Veda:


It is theorized that the concept of the four yugas originated some time after the compilation of the four Vedas, but prior to the rest of the Hindu texts, based on the concept's absence in the former writings. It is believed that the four yugas—Krita (Satya), Treta, Dvapara, and Kali—are named after throws of an Indian game of long dice, marked with 4-3-2-1 respectively.




A Vedic Yuga is Five Years:



The concept of five-year Yuga cycle, namely, Samvatsara, Paritvatsara, Iḍāvatsara, Anuvātsara, Iḍāvatsara (Vatsara) is prevalent from Vedic times. (Taittirīya Brāhmaṇa III. 10 4. 1)

Vajasaneya Samhita, 27.75; Taittriya Aranyka 4.19; and Satapatha Brahmana 8.1.48 also repeat this idea. This is known as Māgha cycle of Vedāṅga Jyotiṣa of sage Lagada (around 1350 BCE).

The five-year Yuga cycle starts with the asterism Śraviṣṭā in the month
of Māgha when the northern movement of Uttarāyana begins; hence the
term Māgha cycle. In this short Yuga cycle, a particular deity is considered as adhi-devatā of each year and in charge of different rituals.




Part of the reason for this is a natural clock.

As if it had Venus and Jupiter for hands.

The five years is one Venus transit, Jupiter is twelve, twelve years or approximately one decade is generally held to be the "biggest" unit of time a person thinks in, and, one whole clock cycle, 5 x 12 = 60 years, which is not too much to ask for one life span, although two revolutions is.


It is difficult to utterly prove, but, it can be shown there is an origin of the 360 Degree Circle and all of the related timekeeping factors from India:


In the Rig veda - the oldest Vedic text, there are clear
references (1.164.48) to a chakra or wheel of 360 spokes placed in the sky. “Twelve are its
fellies. The wheel is one. It has three naves. Who has understood it?”


The Indian classification is based on the apparent movement of celestial bodies as viewed from
Earth. Indians used observational astronomy, as observed from Earth, to track celestial bodies,
including the Sun moon, stars, etc.



So Rg Veda is direct and personal, it has quick times like breathing and blinking, and slow times up to multiple years or about a lifetime.

India is now mostly a land of Puranic religions. In other words there are interpretations and innovations which have pushed away or obscured the Vedic ideas. Aside from the four very large Yugas, another change is on "caste". Vedic commentary on caste determined by karma means:


Karma guides you to that line of work that you are best suited for.


As we have seen, this got changed to "birthright", you are just placed in a station and that's it.

When that happened, we might have said, hang on, that's a rather psychopathic decision.

So was that of the British. In order to make the Indians more self-satisfied, they exhumed the text Laws of Manu and attempted to apply it as the basis of modern Indian law. However nothing says this was ever a legal code of any kind, it was probably one among many "guidebooks" for making codes, but it was not any official part of any old kingdom or republic.


The relevant 4.2 Kiloyear Drought already is the "geological marker", though still challenged:


It defines the beginning of the current Meghalayan age in the Holocene epoch. Beginning with drought:


Starting around 2200 BC, it probably lasted the entire 22nd century BC. It has been hypothesised to have caused the collapse of the Old Kingdom in Egypt, the Akkadian Empire in Mesopotamia, and the Liangzhu culture in the lower Yangtze River area. The drought may also have initiated the collapse of the Indus Valley Civilisation, with some of its population moving southeastward to follow the movement of their desired habitat, as well as the migration of Indo-European-speaking people into India. Some scientists disagree with that conclusion, citing evidence that the event was not a global drought and did not happen in a clear timeline.


Holocene roughly means end of the Ice Age/proliferation of humanity, and Meghalayan is named for an Indian site which preserves some of the best evidence for such a physical change in ages.

The importance of some things like comet impacts is heavily challenged, whereas the geological timeline is mostly only debated around its parameters, i. e. such as how global a drought may have been, or the exact timing, but overall an Ice Age and a significant dust bowl are pretty well established.


As to whether the Ice Age wiped out any large human population, we are not sure, but we do see that most of what were known as civilizations did have a negative impact from drought.

We have no reasons to suspect they were discharging gases, plastic, or committing gratuitous wars for pedophile rings, so what there may have been any kind of natural retribution for, is indeterminate.

What we have in the modern world is what I would call a very new, advanced form of psycopathy which could never have been seen in the ancient world.

[shaberon]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Microbes may have awareness but they aren't 'sentient'.

Symbiosis is the basis of our existence. The circle of life dictates that in order for one thing to live another must perish.

It does. Even if I try to "tread lightly" as a vegetarian, I would eat plants which extract nutrients from soil that is composed of decomposed animal bodies. The plant is not really a vegetarian.

The first and main motive to any life is Hunger, and so yes, it is more an issue of "how" than "exactly what".

Some sense of relating oneself to agricultural production and a humble "asking" of nature for food is a bit more mature than demanding/taking, or starting to believe that food grows in plastic packages.

This whole web of working is probably where psychosis-or-not lies.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by Ewan (here)
The more we lose our connection with nature, as a species, the less we behave in harmony with the planet, the planet that provide us our LITERAL home regardless of geographical location. We take it fot granted and barely give it a thought The fact that so many people are turning to a 'back to basics' approach - such as small scale self-sufficiency and small-holdings indicate the beginning of a tipping point.

Unfortunately it would seem to be too little too late. The masses are already hypnotised in absolute fantasy, and it is far enough removed from reality to be labelled such.

I suspect the last time the species was majorly in harmony was prior to the many agricutural revolutions though I would surmise many of those agricultural revolutions spanned many centuries before the rot really crept in.

Which raises a thought in my mind that - was it indolence that gave birth to psycopathy? The appearance of artisan classes from the wealth of produce led to many more wealthy non-productive humans*.

It all comes back to the old adage regarding power. In that 'Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

Is the capacity for psycopathy inherent in all humans? I think it would mostly depend on the age of the soul co-habitating the 3d form. Given this appears to be a training ground for quite young souls it is perhaps inevitable the planet would shrug off the species from time to time, leaving mere pockets of survivors to start anew.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mgS1Lwr8gq8

Edit: To add...

* Which in itself was the beginning of an imbalance amongst the species. Prior to that time everyone had a role to play in a tribal society.

The Devil makes work for idle hands.

Further edit: I've long given at least a healthy recognition to the concept of intelligent planetary bodies. Hence the Gaia theory. I think all 3-dimensional forms have an intelligence. Modern humans, in their arrogance, are one of the few species that pay scant regard to such a concept.

I think all the other life on this planet knows this inherently.

Addressing the human nature aspect of this topic.

What if psychopathy, or evil, isn't something that's affected humanity and it's the other way around? It could be that humans are transmuting destructive energy. Perhaps it's that humans infiltrated darkness. Likely both, depending on scope of perspective

Our senses, ability and knowledge (what we're aware of) differs between dimensions and there's difficulty in remembering events in a dimension that differs greatly in frequency than the one we're doing the remembering in. It could be that this isn't even a world that was intended by us and having entered a frequency that's much lower than ours we have forgotten who we are and what we're doing due to our resulting dimmed senses.

Same planet, very different frequency, very different world, very different humans.

I see beyond appearances very little really but enough to see there's a lot going on here that we aren't aware of and not taking into consideration when we examine our own nature.

Who are the shadow beings that are humanoid in shape? They are around us, in our homes, observing us, moving freely before our eyes, demonstrating a confidence that we won't see them and then when we do they react like they're not supposed to be seen. They are right there, as visible as the chair I'm sitting on, why do we not see them and how do we see them when we do? I don't think they are shadow beings, I think that's just how they appear to us in this realm. They are just one example and there are additional types of beings, and how many other beings are right here with us unseen, despite being perfectly visible? Why? And what are are they doing, what's so bloody interesting about us? Some are malevolent, some are benevolent, and sometimes both nature's can be observed within the same type (like the humanoid shaped shadows).

Why would both malevolent and benevolent beings behave in a similar same manner in this respect? According to my observations there are malevolent beings who absolutely don't want us to become aware of their existence here, and it seems to me that benevolent beings have to interact with us very carefully, like the malevolent beings know everything we perceive, in real time.

I don't raise this point to shirk any responsibility on the part of human beings, I see us as utterly responsible for ourselves, but I don't accept we're to blame, nor do I see the point in blaming anyone. I only care about seeing what is and what works. My concern when I write about these matters is that I come across as fearfully clinging to romantic notions of humanity, when I'm actually just being pragmatic.

From what I've gathered, it seems that what we call spiritual realms are actually physical and that humans also exist as physical beings in what we would call another dimension. It's like something has happened there and we are living the result of that here.

The Matrix movies are a program and disinformation but it does contain some deep truths. The clip below depicts the situation as I see it (at this time), except humans aren't Neo in this realm, humans are the light that transforms the agent back to Neo and the true source of the pulse of increased light is God (Source, whatever), not the machines/technology.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ruSTiOmiyWw

I'm not suggesting anyone who doesn't see humanity as I do should see it as I do, I'm only suggesting the reader to consider that we really can't know, and it would be wildly unwise to judge without enough clarity to do so accurately. It could be that our perception and how we experience this reality is our only true impactful part in creation from this realm, and yet the impact of that part extends far beyond it and couldn't be more important.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner), quoting the Wisdom of Silver Birch (here)
A: Is it wrong to spray with insecticides to try to prevent malaria, etc?

Q: Of course you must have respect for all life, but this is a question of motive and degree. If you have conditions where, due to certain circumstances, there are the kinds of insects that cause disease, then your motive for using sprays is a good one. Respect for life must be tempered with the necessity of ensuring there are conditions in which it can flourish. Similarly, if you have houses infested with bugs, it is easier to spray and get rid of them if your motive is to improve the health of those who dwell there.

I confess I was profoundly unimpressed with that answer. Insecticides? Like DDT?? The vibe I got from the response was that it was really very unaware. A natural approach could have been mentioned, but wasn't. It somehow felt all wrong.

Here's an alternative, about Natural Insecticides:

https://smithspestmanagement.com/blo...l-insecticides

(extracted)

Chemical insecticides — Pros:

• Effective
• Fast-acting
• Widely available
• Easy to apply
• Long-lasting

Chemical insecticides — Cons:

• May be dangerous for kids and pets
• Generally toxic
• May kill non-target species that come into contact with the insecticide
• May affect water run-off, soil, and other natural environments

Natural Insecticides — Pros:

• Most organic insecticides are considered safer and more environmentally-friendly than man-made chemicals
• Organic insecticides are often as effective at pest control as man-made compounds
• Will not pollute water or soil
• Easy to use and apply

Natural Insecticides — Cons:

• Most natural insecticides don’t last quite as long as man-made insecticides, which means you’ll have to apply them frequently
• They are more expensive than traditional methods
• They may not be 100% effective for serious pest problems
• Despite their moderate cons, natural insecticides should be the obvious choice for any green- or eco-minded homeowner

1. Chili Pepper Insecticide Spray

The oils secreted by chili peppers make excellent alternatives to synthetic insecticides. To make chili pepper spray, mix one tablespoon of chile powder (or capsaicin, if you’re looking for a stronger deterrent) with a quart of water and a few drops of mild liquid dish soap (it does not have to be insecticidal soap). Shake the mixture well and pour it into a spray bottle.

Apply the spray directly to the leaves of affected plants, being careful to avoid contact with skin since chile pepper oils are irritating for humans.

Most effective for: pests that like to eat garden plants, such as slugs, aphids, nematodes, and beetles.

2. Tomato Leaf Insecticide

You may be trying to protect your tomato plants from predation, but did you know that the leaves of those same plants can help kill pests in your garden? Tomato plants are a member of the nightshade family, which means they contain alkaloids that can kill pests.

To make your own organic insecticide spray, chop up two cups of fresh tomato leaves, place them into a quart of water, and allow the mixture to steep overnight. Strain, pour into a spray bottle and spray directly onto plant foliage.

Most effective for: aphids

3. Oil Spray Insecticide

For an easy homemade insecticide, grab some vegetable oil and your favorite mild soap. Mix one cup of the vegetable oil with a tablespoon of the soap and shake thoroughly.

When you’re ready to use the mixture, take two teaspoons of the oil mixture and combine it with one quart of water, mix thoroughly, and apply directly to the surfaces of plants.

Most effective for: aphids, mites, and thrips

4. Neem Oil Insecticide

Neem oil is a powerful natural insecticide used all over the world. It works by disrupting the lifecycle of pests and is an excellent resource for anyone looking to protect their plants.

To use neem oil in your garden, mix two teaspoons of neem oil with one teaspoon of mild liquid soap, and shake that mixture together with a quart of water. Spray the mixture directly on affected plant foliage.

Most effective for: Soft-bodied insects like aphids, mealybugs, mites, and whiteflies

5. Diatomaceous Earth Insecticide

Diatomaceous Earth (DE, for short) is made from fossilized algae and is an excellent option for anyone looking for safe, natural insecticides.

The material works by smothering insects and drawing moisture from their exoskeletons. To use it, sprinkle the DE on the ground around affected plants. Reapply after every rain or sprinkler cycle.

Most effective for: snails, slugs, and other crawling insects

6. Garlic Insecticide Spray

Garlic has a pungent aroma that repels pests. To make your own homemade insecticide for the house, take two bulbs of garlic and puree them in a blender with a bit of water.

Allow the mixture to sit overnight and then strain it into a jar, adding a half cup of vegetable oil and a few drops of mild liquid soap. When ready to use, spray the mixture on affected plants to keep bugs away.

Most effective for: aphids, beetles, and spiders

[Bill Ryan]

My overall comment here. It's all about mindfulness.

In our current world, we can't live without affecting the environment around us in some way. Whether it's eating fish or meat, or dealing with insects, or cutting a road across a field, or felling a tree.

Indigenous people know that when (e.g.) hunting and killing an animal, one gives thanks and honors the animal for its sacrifice. When I'm cutting the grass, about an hour beforehand I telepathically warn all the little creatures living there that I'm about to do it, and explain to the grass that I have to take this action, and assure it that it will grow back, and that I'm not its enemy.

I really do those things.

It takes no effort, and I mean what I intend to communicate. It's a tiny, tiny gesture, minuscule in the biggest picture of man's relentless destruction of everything around him. But it's one way of communicating with the biosphere that not all humans have the same attitude.

When I'm hiking, I always pick up trash, if there is any. Even the tiniest bits of plastic. Usually there's none (because there are no people!), but in one area, quite close to El Santuario de la Virgen (a shrine and now a tourist area, where the Virgin Mary made a series of appearances to an Ecuadorian girl back in 1986-7), there's often all kinds of trash on the early parts of the trail which leads to the mountains.

I genuinely can't understand how Christian people, or people who profess to be Christians, are so blind and unaware. Each time I see this (which is every time I go there), I think to myself how totally disconnected even [probably] kind, gentle, considerate people are from nature.

It's a microcosm of the far bigger global picture. We don't understand, we don't know, and we don't care. And the so-called green movement has become so politicized (and is so awash with false information and beliefs about green energy, climate change, electric cars, and more) that it's now become destructive all in itself, in a quite different way. It's not a solution, it's a wrong-way diversion.

I'm no fan of Greta Thunberg or her ilk. Somewhere in there she has the glimmerings of good intentions, but she understands very, very little yet, and is largely being used by others.

A great man is once supposed to have said: Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I confess I was profoundly unimpressed with that answer. Insecticides? Like DDT??

It's a fair point, from this perspective. But he's talking on a small scale, and along the lines of the ethics in play -- that on the question of human health one can justify the eradication of pests.

It's the motive behind it he's addressing here, and I see no flaw in his argument. Of the practical concern he mentions the 'degree', and stipulates, "Respect for life must be tempered with the necessity of ensuring there are conditions in which it can flourish."

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The vibe I got from the response was that it was really very unaware

He can surely be forgiven for that -- this was recorded like a hundred years ago before the mass agricultural use of things like DDT.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I confess I was profoundly unimpressed with that answer. Insecticides? Like DDT??

It's a fair point, from this perspective. But he's talking on a small scale, and along the lines of the ethics in play -- that on the question of human health one can justify the eradication of pests.

It's the motive behind it he's addressing here, and I see no flaw in his argument. Of the practical concern he mentions the 'degree', and stipulates, "Respect for life must be tempered with the necessity of ensuring there are conditions in which it can flourish."

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The vibe I got from the response was that it was really very unaware

He can surely be forgiven for that -- this was recorded like a hundred years ago before the mass agricultural use of things like DDT.

Thanks, and I did some reading. This article was very interesting.

• https://psychicnews.org.uk/articles/...ch-vivisection

A small extract from a long page. I did find this much more helpful, detailed and clear than his 'insecticide' response.

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Here, Silver Birch gives a spirit world view of the animal kingdom.

The first point he answers is: “Do you believe that vivisection can be right when it is undertaken with a good motive?”

NO. How can that which is cruel be right How can that which causes pain, which inflicts torture, be right It is contrary to all that we teach. It is wrong to experiment on those who are not capable of resisting.

I would say that you can help people through vivisection, but it is not right to do so because it is contrary to everything spiritual to inflict cruelty and suffering on creatures who have done nothing to deserve it.

Man is responsible for what he does. His motive may be good in many cases and that will affect his spiritual development. That is how the law works.

It is not part of the divine plan that the children of the Great Spirit should become healthy through exploitation and cruelty to the animals in your world.

This is where doctors have taken the wrong path. They justify themselves by saying that man is more important than the animal. Therefore he has the right to improve his health and wellbeing by experimenting on these creatures. But that is wrong.

The law is co-operation. Responsibility should engender mercy and compassion. You cannot exploit others without you suffering as a consequence.

Cruelty is bad for the one who performs the cruelty. When you manifest love, you are the better for it. When you manifest hatred, you are the worse for it. This is how the natural law works.

It is right to strive to lessen the cruelty inflicted on animals, to show there is a better way, a way of mercy, and by teaching people how to order their lives aright, to live in harmony with the natural law, they will become well, healthy and radiant.

What is spiritually wrong can never be condoned, but in an imperfect world there will always be abuses and excesses.

You must fight to promote the welfare of all who should dwell together in amity, peace, concord and love. For love is the fulfilling of the law. You cannot have love if you wreak cruelty on others.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

In one of my books there's a whole chapter on the Animal Kingdom, where he shares many fascinating insights. I think the following answers are worthy of citation here, as they shed light on the workings of the 'natural law', as he always puts it, and a sort of hidden purpose behind what we, perhaps, might call acts of cruelty and evil.

Q: You have said that if the Spirit is right then the material things will naturally follow and be right. How does that apply to animals in this world who are being born to be tortured, slaughtered and misused generally by man? Surely their spirit is right?

A: NO. That is not the same category as the human spirit because Man is given the responsibility of making the right choice; that is his free will. Man has the power of helping or hindering the evolutionary plan. Thus he has free will to decide, within limits, how he treats those who share the planet with him. Your world is full of many abuses. Not the least among them is the needless cruelty to animals and their exploitation. But it can not be otherwise if man is to progress. Were he deprived of his free will he would not have the chance to evolve his individuality and develop. So this is the crux of the whole matter.

Q: It is so difficult for us to understand how this is allowed to happen.

A: If you use the words "allowed to happen" it means you would rather humanity was robbed of its free will. I repeat that if humans are deprived of their free will they cease to be anything but puppets and are unable to unfold the divinity within them. Their spiritual natures will not evolve and the whole purpose of the earthly life will be missed. You are put on earth because life is the nursery, the school, the training ground for the spirit. The spirit can evolve only when it is exercised by meeting challenges and overcoming them.

[Harmony]

It seems that so many problems and thread discussed on PA are all interlinked somehow and come back to these main questions of why things are the way they are, how did they get this way and how do we fix them or go forward.


I think we are all working on ourselves the best way we can as we have to work within the perameters of our environment. It is interesting that many whom have read hundreds of books about what others do and think and some very simple people that just contemplate and look at the examples the world has provided right in front of them to see and experience often come up with similar observations and conclusions.


It seems to come to a point where many poeple reach a certain stage in evolution and find it hard to go further because of the environment they live within. The next steps in evolution do seem to require cooperation of a large percentage of other people to work along with them for a society to evolve. The free will we have does seem to need to be aligned towards shared goals using the unique gifts of each member of society so as to bring it to a point of some kind of transformation or paradgm shift. The difference between that shift and the WEF AI tyranical forced ideals are that our free will to be come the best that we can be is because we choose it from an inner knowledge we have gained over many lifetimes through a kind of love for the betterment of all. Through love and choice, compassion and understanding and patience and sharing knowledge with others we have come to "know".

[Pris]

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Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
5. Diatomaceous Earth Insecticide

Diatomaceous Earth (DE, for short) is made from fossilized algae and is an excellent option for anyone looking for safe, natural insecticides.

The material works by smothering insects and drawing moisture from their exoskeletons. To use it, sprinkle the DE on the ground around affected plants. Reapply after every rain or sprinkler cycle.

Most effective for: snails, slugs, and other crawling insects

I don't know too much about chemical insecticides and natural insecticides, but I do know a little about diatoms. Diatoms are fantastic, beautiful little creatures with hard shells made up of silica (silicone, basically quartz crystal) and, apparently, produce up to 50% of the earth's oxygen every year.

Diatomaceous earth is made up of fossilized diatoms. Their tiny shells act as an insecticide by sticking to the waxy exoskeleton of the insect and slowly absorb the moisture from the insect, effectively dehydrating it. But, that's not all. To the insect, the microscopic shells are also like tiny razor blades that inflict small wounds on the body and in the joints. Those wounds interfere with breathing and functioning. From an insect's point-of-view, I'd guess it's quite a horrible slow and painful way to die.

There's really no "nice" way to kill something.

Whatever ways can be found to repel/prevent, that would always be better...


Electron image of diatomaceous earth

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Here, Silver Birch gives a spirit world view of the animal kingdom.

...

The law is co-operation. Responsibility should engender mercy and compassion. You cannot exploit others without you suffering as a consequence.

Cruelty is bad for the one who performs the cruelty. When you manifest love, you are the better for it. When you manifest hatred, you are the worse for it. This is how the natural law works.

It is right to strive to lessen the cruelty inflicted on animals, to show there is a better way, a way of mercy, and by teaching people how to order their lives aright, to live in harmony with the natural law, they will become well, healthy and radiant.

What is spiritually wrong can never be condoned, but in an imperfect world there will always be abuses and excesses.

You must fight to promote the welfare of all who should dwell together in amity, peace, concord and love. For love is the fulfilling of the law. You cannot have love if you wreak cruelty on others.

So, here we all are, doing what we can to "do good" with ourselves, with nature...

Then, you have a destructive creature such as this one who cares nothing for love. He wreaks cruelty upon others with relish and deep satisfaction. Operating from a position of, seemingly, pure selfishness and hatred for all living things, this monster has been rewarded with great wealth, power, and long life. He's operated with impunity as a global economic terrorist through his funding and investments efforts to inflict decades and decades of massive harm upon the world's population.

[Pris]

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Posted by Harmony (here)
It seems to come to a point where many poeple reach a certain stage in evolution and find it hard to go further because of the environment they live within. The next steps in evolution do seem to require cooperation of a large percentage of other people to work along with them for a society to evolve. The free will we have does seem to need to be aligned towards shared goals using the unique gifts of each member of society so as to bring it to a point of some kind of transformation or paradgm shift.

"Cooperation", "evolution", "transformation"... This is sounding like it's leaning towards a kind of socialism and belief structure once again. And, I am happy with the way I am and do not require any "evolving" or "transforming". Many people enjoy being left alone, simply living. For myself, I've gained knowledge that's included my own life experiences and spiritual adventures that have helped me to "remember" who I am... But, again, that's personal and is only about me. Free will is free will. No one needs to be "aligned" with anyone or to have "shared goals". Perhaps it is those of us who remain most individual and singular that will help call out "social (justice) experiments" -- well-intentioned or not -- as they happen in order to prevent the kind of mess we're in today.

[Harmony]

Posted by Pris (here)
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Posted by Harmony (here)
It seems to come to a point where many poeple reach a certain stage in evolution and find it hard to go further because of the environment they live within. The next steps in evolution do seem to require cooperation of a large percentage of other people to work along with them for a society to evolve. The free will we have does seem to need to be aligned towards shared goals using the unique gifts of each member of society so as to bring it to a point of some kind of transformation or paradgm shift.

"Cooperation", "evolution", "transformation"... This is sounding like it's leaning towards a kind of socialism and belief structure once again. And, I am happy with the way I am and do not require any "evolving" or "transforming". Many people enjoy being left alone, simply living. For myself, I've gained knowledge that's included my own life experiences and spiritual adventures that have helped me to "remember" who I am... But, again, that's personal and is only about me. Free will is free will. No one needs to be "aligned" with anyone or to have "shared goals". Perhaps it is those of us who remain most individual and singular that will help call out "social (justice) experiments" -- well-intentioned or not -- as they happen in order to prevent the kind of mess we're in today.

Hi Pris, I can see how what I wrote could come across that way. I'ts hard to express ones's inner feelings as they are so personal. I too have mostly learned from my inner experiences and journey and I do feel very much an individual that doesn't follow anything or anyone in particular.


I think that shared goal is to me a goal of goodness for all people and the earth. I feel aligned with source in some inexplicable way through the heart that connects me in an expansive way. I feel free will is very important because we learn to choose and respond as we learn the consequenses of our actions and see and feel the consequenses of others actions. Some have free will and choose not to care about what that action brings to the world and others around them and that doesn't just affect them peronally, but the whole earth sometimes. People taking that action for personal gain with out conscoius awareness or care, to me anyway, are causing long term damage in so many ways. That, to me, is how problelms in the world are often created environmentally and socially as well. Free will to care is what I really meant, sorry if it came across as some kind of regime or something.

[Pris]

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Posted by Pris (here)
Back to the question of plants and their feelings and such. Well, I'm a vegan. I have to eat something. It's been great having started my own garden in the last couple of years so I've been able to pull off some zucchinis...

In all seriousness, I laughed out loud when I saw this. (I think the cat is a pointer.)


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